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The ol’ 2 guard!  Man things have changed since I started, because I remember in 13-14 when SG was a travesty.  Curry had the combo eligibility, then it was a minefield.  I should note and remind everyone that these positionsal breakdowns are based on Yahoo position-eligibility.  Why Yahoo?!  Because it’s RCL time baby!  And we need more leagues!  We’re still in the “just under a month out, so I’m not a straggler for making an RCL league this late” tier!

Due to Yahoo whoring out their position eligibility, SG is no longer an issue, but this was still an interesting tiering system to put together as it pertains to PTS/3s/AST/STL needs as you move along in your draft.  But never forget that ThrAGNOF!  Here’s the top SG for the 2016-17 fantasy basketball season, in tiers:

The “Sitting pretty if I get the #1 or #2 pick!” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
1 1 Stephen Curry, GS (28) PG, SG My frequently used soundbyte now – Durant is a phenomenal player, Curry is a transcendent player. Curry will also be taking the ball up the court more. 3s with the FG% and the rest of the package keep him #1.
2 2 James Harden, HOU (26) SG, SF D’Antoni?! Sign me up! TO will be out of control again, but so will the Pts/Ast as well as the flops for FT.

The “Last gasp of the elites, before SG takes a nosedive!” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
3 8 Giannis Antetokounmpo, MIL PG, SG, SF Over the last 26 games, Greek Freak went 18.8/8.4/7.5/1.5/1.9. Insanity! Shot 51.5% too. With Middleton gone, it adds more offensive onus on The Alphabet. I think it spells #8 value!
4 10 Kawhi Leonard, SA (25) SG, SF The metrics love him, most people agree maybe a smidge too much, and he still gets a little docked for not playing 80 games. But the multicat, huge steals, and great FG% improvement with more 3s can’t be overlooked.
5 15 Paul George, IND (26) SG, SF Hard not to root for the guy bouncing back from the bad injury; played 81 games last year, set a huge career best in FT volume, and this is going to be a ridiculously paced team. Living up to the IND name!

The “Sexy 2nd and 3rd rounders who have first-round upside” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
6 26 Eric Bledsoe, PHO (26) PG, SG Was looking great with my high rank of him last year, but those effin injuries… Risky, but did play 81 games sandwiched between the injury-plagued seasons. Had the meniscus surgery that takes longer to recover from so you can play at peak level, so I still see that big upside there.
7 27 Jimmy Butler, CHI (26) SG, SF 67 games or fewer in the past 3 seasons, and now has USG hogs Wade and Rondo to ruin possessions rather than Rose. 2 is worse than 1… Still should be his team and a solid value though.
8 28 Victor Oladipo, OKC (24) PG, SG I’m warming more and more on the player, but I really don’t love this situation. I’m confused as to why changing your running mate from Elfrid Payton to Westbrook is a GOOD thing, and not like OKC is too shabby compared to ORL everywhere else. I don’t trust the 3s and I think he could be overdrafted.
9 29 Kyrie Irving, CLE (24) PG, SG Looking at 15-16 seasonal numbers might be a turnoff, but he was eased in off the knee injury. Post-ASB and that final Finals shot is a turn ON though! What can Uncle Drew do for YOU?!

The “Hell yeah Klay Thompson is gonna regress and should be picked here!” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
10 39 C.J. McCollum, POR (24) PG, SG Yikes my anti-McCollum 15-16 calls didn’t go well! I don’t know if he has any more upside, unless he can get to 1.5+ steals.
11 42 Klay Thompson, GS (26) SG, SF Takes the big hit amongst the Golden State Western All-Stars, and the D stats took a major step back last year as well. Back to being one of the NBA’s best ThrAGNOFs.
12 43 Gordon Hayward, UTA (26) SG, SF FG%, AST, STL and BLK all dropped last year, and now they have a competent PG. Love the player, but couldn’t rank him any higher.
13 46 Goran Dragic, MIA (30) PG, SG 17.3/4.6/6.7 post-ASB last year, with a lot more upside with Wade gone, despite the metrics not loving his game due to lack of STL/3s. His FG% makes him a great punt-FT fit though, and seeing how drafts are playing out and SOMEONE is punting FT by the 4th round, I am moving him snugly in my top-50.

The “Laundry list of shooters and scorers to nab in the mid-rounds” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
14 52 Reggie Jackson, DET (26) PG, SG Metrics hate him, but only 30:41 MPG last season, getting in StanVan’s doghouse a few times. Will improve in both minutes and total stats.
15 57 DeMar DeRozan, TOR (27) SG, SF My original blurb was too good – “Why I didn’t like DeRozan last year – Pts went down, AST:TO took a huge step back, treys down, FG% down, and a bad groin injury was the main reason he missed 22 games. Why I like DeRozan this year – Pts went back up (23.5 – career high), AST:TO took a huge step forward (4.0:2.2, ironically the exact same as in 13-14), treys up, FG% up, and he only missed 4 games.”
16 58 Brandon Knight, PHO (24) PG, SG Apparently this rank still prices me in, but I love the high-output 3s with the AST contribution – easy to miss the 5.1 AST he brings amongst some other warts, mainly FG%…
17 60 Evan Fournier, ORL (23) SG, SF The Virgin! Also, don’t google what his last name means. Posted a career year going 15.4/2.8/2.7/1.2/0.0 with 2 treys a game and only 1.7 TO, and had some assist-binges as well, diming 3.7/per in April. No Dipo will mean more usage, and they desperately need his scoring!
18 62 Bradley Beal, WAS (23) SG I actually might have some Beal shares this year, with some confidence in that the Wizards have faith his leg injury issues are behind him – hell, it’s THEIR medical staff that know him better than anyone! So if they had doubts, I suspect they wouldn’t have dropped all dat ca$h.
19 67 Trevor Ariza, HOU (31) SG, SF He fits certain builds REALLY well, and like Gortat is a metrics-friendly finisher every year, but I don’t think the D’Antoni effect really impacts Ariza as much. The ups and downs in FG% can crush you, unless you’re outright punting FG%.

The “Heavy run of guards since we need more Ast, Stl or EVEN MORE scoring!” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
20 69 Andrew Wiggins, MIN (21) SG, SF Obviously needs to make improvements, but at least he’s durable! Big scoring sources aren’t too plentiful past here.
21 71 Dwyane Wade, CHI (34) PG, SG Rondo is a TO-vortex! We might get a little fix there, along with good scoring and some wing dimes. But ya know, for 65 games…
22 72 Zach LaVine, MIN (21) PG, SG As a starter, was unreal for 17.3/2.8/3.2/1.1/0.2 in 33 games, including 2.4 treys at an absurd 47.4% clip from the field overall. I don’t know if that % is fully replicable, but heavy treys without killing your FG% should fit some FT punt builds.
23 74 Jeremy Lin, BKN (28) PG, SG Had a great 15-16 in FT volume and a career-low TO rate, and joins a team in desperate need of playmaking. And cool hair.
24 75 George Hill, UTA (30) PG, SG Provides 5ish dimes with a minuscule TO rate, with just an overall non-killing game in %s and TO. LET ME SEE THAT THONG!
25 79 Kent Bazemore, ATL (27) SG, SF Fell off a smidge last year as the minutes I think caught up to him a bit, but he offers a very sexy metrics-friendly game, and could be a huge get if he can maintain across 82 games.
26 80 Avery Bradley, BOS (25) PG, SG Career highs in STL, PTS and 3s, with a nice FG% for a high-end ThrAGNOF.
27 81 Jordan Clarkson, LAL (24) PG, SG Ugh, a tough whiff last year, but with Kobe’s USG gonzo, I could see him being George Hill-ish this year…
28 83 Wesley Matthews, DAL (29) SG, SF Even off the awful injury, played 78 games at 33:54 MPG in 15-16. Mark Cuban said Matthews couldn’t even dunk half of last year, but he’s apparently having a great, healthy offseason. A great unsexy name for sexy upside.
29 84 Devin Booker, PHO (19) SG Mannnnn I want to rank him higher and higher with the PJ Tucker injury news, but 0.6/0.3 STL/BLK with 2.6 AST last year, meh, and a lot came without Knight and Bledsoe off the floor. I think you have an extremely sexy, admittedly young and sexy, player that could be overreached for if you went much higher than here.
30 88 Monta Ellis, IND (30) PG, SG A lot went down, BUT HE’S STILL GETTING PAID ONLY $11 MIL A YEAR! Readers last year get that one… 1.9 STL and 4.7 TO is what you’re drafting here, as any bounceback in scoring is tough to see with this new offense.

The “ThrAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGNOF!!!!  …and a few other stat-fillers late…” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
31 92 JJ Redick, LAC (32) SG I don’t see the crazy high marks of 48% from the field again, 47.5% from deep, or scoring over 16 PPG with Blake back. ThrAGNOF!
32 93 Rodney Hood, UTA (23) SG, SF Loves – 2 treys and 2.2-2.5 FT for 86% freebie clip. Hates – 0.9/0.2 in Stl/Blk and 2.7:1.9 AST:TO. I worry the dimes and steals are a little overrated and he’s more ThrAGNOF than not, but I do still like him!
33 96 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, DET (23) SG The KCP addiction remains STRONG! Well, I should say I’ve plateaued, now that his ADP is getting to where my rank is these days… About time!
34 110 Will Barton, DEN (25) SG, SF People are being way too chill on Will the thrill! 5.8 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.9/0.5 STL/BLK, and 1.4 treys as ancillary stats to the scoring is nothing to sneeze at, and I think he gets a similar MPG role, even with everyone healthy and the new wing rooks.
35 111 Patrick Beverley, HOU PG, SG I know I kinda argued the other way for Ariza, but I love me some D’Antoni for P Bev! If he had any history of making it close to a full season, I might push him to 90ish, but missed games has been a big issue.
36 113 Tyreke Evans, NO (28) PG, SG We know the upside when healthy, something he’s not going to be on opening night. I HATE drafting injured guys out of the gate, even if they’re vets. Especially guys with his checkered ankle/knee history.
37 115 Evan Turner, POR (27) SG, SF Both Turner’s AST and AST:TO took massive steps forward in Boston, but nothing else really jumps off the page. I imagine a similar role in POR.
38 116 Buddy Hield, NO (22) SG Steals consistently went down in college and he shot 32.7% in Summer Ball, with only a 22.9% clip on treys. Small sample, but there’s going to be some big % waffles to his ThrAGNOF game.
39 118 Jerryd Bayless, PHI (28) PG, SG JB love JB! The Sixers need a PG who can hit treys, and be cool not distrubiting a ton, with a point-F developing like Simmons. Hard to believe Bayless is still only 28… Could easily have a P-Bev-ish season.
40 123 Gary Harris, DEN (22) PG, SG Numbers without Gallinari went WAY up, and while Gallo is injury-prone and a trade candidate, I think Harris is going to be very blah to open the year.
41 125 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, BKN (21) SG, SF Had a 7.6/7.7/1.6/1.9/0.4 9 game stretch pre-injury, and BKN needs him to be their SG of the future.
42 127 Danny Green, SA (29) SG, SF We saw how fickle metrics-whore guys can be – didn’t hit his 3s and it destroyed his value last year. Could bounce back a little.
43 129 Kyle Korver, ATL (35) SG, SF After shooting treys in the high-40%s for a long stretch, 39.9% last year. A healthy offseason instead of recovering from two surgeries including one on his elbow – I think a sneaky bounceback ThrAGNOF.

The “Late round flier” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
44 143 Josh Richardson, MIA (23) SG, SF I wasn’t fully buying into the hype, as he shot 53.3% from deep (!!!) in the second half last year during that huge run. I saw some regression coming …andddddd, he tears his knee in offseason workouts. Ugh! It’ll cost him an epicly important training camp and preseason, but I still have him on the fringe of draft-worthy as an IL slot, since RCL leagues have 2 IL spots.
45 145 J.R. Smith, CLE (31) SG, SF 12.4 Pts and 2.6 treys we saw last year I think regress with a full season of Kyrie. But the Cavs do play a ton of off nights, so that could help his ThrAGNOF ownability a tier above the streamers.
46 146 Tyler Johnson, MIA (24) PG, SG I think the plan was always to mainly play him behind Dragic, so I’m not tinkiering his rank with the J-Rich injury. Lovvvvvve TyJo’s game, but I dunno if he’ll play enough to reap the full rewards.
47 147 Courtney Lee, NYK (30) SG, SF Pretty lame last roster-filler, but he contributes STL/3s with virtually no TO.
48 149 Jared Dudley, PHO (31) SG, SF Probably a forgotten name come draft day, but did go 10.1/3.9/2.7/1.2/0.2 over 39 games while Wiz had injuries, with 1.7 treys and shooting almost 50%. Has a chance to replicate that as the Suns starting SF or PF.
49 158 Bojan Bogdanovic, BKN (27) SG, SF ThrAGNOF! Nets need wing scoring/3PTM in the worst way, but the rest of his stats are so empty to rank him higher, even with the Pts/3s upside.

The “Undraftable in 12ers” Tier:

SG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
50 161 Arron Afflalo, SAC (30) SG, SF Could be a 15 PPG source, but is blah everywhere else.
51 162 Stanley Johnson, DET (20) SG, SF Obviously didn’t have the rookie season the buzz was hyping – shooting 37.5% and turning it over an obscene 1.6/game in only 23 minutes – but StanVan wants to limit KCP and Marcus a little, and StanJo can play the 2, 3 or 4. Hopefully he can improve if given more minutes in year 2.
52 166 Matthew Dellavedova, MIL (26) PG, SG Mehhhh, yeah Middleton news does nothing for me here, maybe an extra 3 attempt happens a game from what we would’ve otherwise expected. Still going to be Giannis running the point.
53 169 Tony Allen, MEM (34) SG, SF Steals! And that’s it! Streambait.
54 172 Dion Waiters, MIA (24) SG, SF Might get snagged as a sleeper in a lot of leagues, but I’ve always been bleh on his game. Not enough 3s for a bad FG%, I’m not sure the MPG he’ll get, and not like Richardson is out too long. Steals get a little overlooked for him though.
55 173 Mario Hezonja, ORL (21) SG Was anything but super his rookie year, and while the Magic lack a lot of wing depth, he just doesn’t do enough beyond 3s and a couple of boards to get me excited as a 6th man.
56 176 Solomon Hill, NO (25) SG, SF No Reke gives Hill a chance to play some starting minutes out of the gate, and over the final 5 games of 15-16, Hill went 15/7.2/2.2/2.0/0.2 on the Pacers. Very small sample, but there’s talent there.
57 180 Gerald Henderson, PHI (28) SG, SF Blah scoring. As empty as his hair folicles.
58 184 Norman Powell, TOR (23) SG Might have a little too much buzz after his awesome finish last year, but I just don’t see enough run…
59 185 Eric Gordon, HOU (27) SG Has great upside to be a combo guard backup behind Beard and P-Bev in D’Antoni’s system, but my optimism is capped by his health. Wow, he’s only 27?
60 187 CJ Miles, IND (29) SG, SF Averaged a whopping 2.2 treys last year! But with PG13 now locked in at SF minutes instead of stretch-4 minutes, it’ll be tough to see Miles get the same MPG.
61 189 Jeremy Lamb, CHA (24) SG, SF Lin is back in NY and MKG has balky shoulders – there’s a shot for a little added run! Yes, he’s inconsistent and the coaching staff calls him out on it, but they paid him!
62 190 Lou Williams, LAL (29) PG, SG Minutes are obviously a question mark, but his FT volume and 3PTM skillset is unique in the streaming class.
63 191 Joe Johnson, UTA (35) SG, SF I could see Exum, Burks, JJ, Lyles as a really entertaining 2nd unit for the Jazz…
64 194 Langston Galloway, NO (24) PG, SG Gets an added boost with Jrue’s games played in question, and should be a fixture as a combo guard off the bench. Doesn’t do much stats-wise, but has impressively low TO rates with a few dimes.
65 195 Shaun Livingston, GS (31) PG, SG Warriors have pretty light depth at guard, and Livingston can chip in some low-volume stats with low-TO. Nice deep league depth.
66 196 Allen Crabbe, POR (24) PG, SG Got really effing rich this offseason! Turner is probably starting and McCollum is going to get his huge run… When are the Blazers gonna get Crabby?!
67 197 Jarrett Jack, ATL (32) PG, SG A little surprising he landed somewhere where playing time is so assured, but he should play a nice mentorship role to Schroder. Although he’ll need a German translator like my boy Paul.
68 198 E’Twaun Moore, NO (27) PG, SG Another benefactor to the Jrue-hole, and one that got paid. He’ll have some sort of role.
69 199 Wesley Johnson, LAC (29) SG, SF 0.7/1.1 STL/BLK last year, but was really up and down. Will get a little boost if The Truth retires.
  1. Lasandro says:
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    Great stuff!

    Why do I always take a minute to decide between Bled or Dipo in my roto? It’s so bloody tough.. I just go with the guy I enjoy more, in Dipo. Those bloody knees have me scurred..

    • Slim

      Slim says:
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      @Lasandro: Yeah I’m there too. Why take the risk when you don’t have to.

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Lasandro: @Slim: Thank’s man! Yeah the knees have been bloodied! But I did like E Bled had an 81 games sandwiched in there. Very close though for me too, obviously

  2. Threekola says:
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    Just wanna take the time to thank you guys at razzball for what you guys do. I seriously look forward to every post. This has nothing to do with this post though…

    I’m jsut extra pumped for this season. Draft day is gonna be crazzzyyyyyyy!

    Especially cause my fantasy group meets up at a friends house and do the draft manually. We literally crack open some beers, smoke some hookah (ever smoked hookah? – I’m Armenian, almost don’t have a choice) and buy those big cardboard boards you used to sue to do science projects on as a kid. We then do a raffle type of thing to decide who gets what pick and take turns going up to the board which we hang on the wall and write down the name of the player we chose. Everyone has their laptop and does their research but is on a 3 minute time limit, but we’re not too strict on that. It’s a really fun experience and the suspense is crazy. Then later you guys actually do a yahoo draft and just draft everyone you did during the live draft. No cheating, evidence is on the board baby. Everyone should try it if they haven’t.

    • Slim

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      @Threekola: I don’t know nearly enough people to do a live basketball draft in person. We did a football draft where we had 10 people together. It was alot of fun and the empty beer can tower was awfully impressive.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Threekola: @Slim: Hah appreciate it man! Mannnnn, yeah live basketball draft, never done it! I’ve actually never done a fully live, non-computer draft. I’ve been with most of my league with get togethers a few times, but we still draft through the normal Yahoo draft room or whatnot.

        Damn, can I join your league?! Hookah and a live draft with your boys sounds awesome!

        • Threekola says:
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          @Slim: @JB Gilpin:

          Yes, Slim, it’s so awesome!’

          JB, it really is awesome and a live draft with you guys sounds like a lot of fun. Just the suspense when the person who’s turn it is to draft slowly walks up and grabs the marker. As he begins writing the name, your heart drops cause the first letter is the same as the player you need next, but it ends up being someone else so you have a sigh of relief and down your beer cause you can’t handle it anymore. Haha. Then when it’s your turn and you know you have a steal of a pick, you get all cocky and write it in huge letters, turn around and rub it in to everyone. Best.

          JB likes hookah! This makes me very happy.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Threekola: Who doesn’t like hookah?! Always a blast. Haha yeah I could see having a blast doing that, I def wanna try and organize one with one of my long time leagues hopefully sometime…

    • @Threekola: we do a live auction, leagues been alive since the first dudes put it together 20 years ago, we have 16 teams now, I’m 35 years old and one of the two youngest GMS lol…..meet up every year in bowling green ohio! Get a hotel conference room, and auction it up…… My advice, ditch the snake draft walk up and go to auction, you wanna add another level of fun and strategy to your draft, do it, TRUST ME……

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Threekola: @Trophy Tony: Damn that’s aweomse! Damn 16 team auction live!!!! That is effin epic!

  3. JHM says:
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    NOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT-WHEN CAN WE EXPECT MORE PROJECTIONS FROM SLIM.

    DEMARRE CARROLL OR DWIGHT HOWARD?

    ALREADY HAVE A FEW TO MACHINES ON BOARD.

    LOVE THE SITE THANKS

    • Slim

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      @JHM: I gave him through 100 a few days ago, I think he’s waiting for his next ranking update to add them. 9 times out of 10 it’s Carroll, easy. I guess if you’re punting FT% and don’t have a full compliment of Bigs than you could do worse.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @JHM: @Slim: Yeah I am gettin on Slim for em as nice as I can 🙂 Yeah I’ll go Carooll, no need to add more TO unless you are juts in a dire need for REB+BLK and already are punting FT

  4. OldNavy says:
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    I like James Ennis situation at Memphis. I like his scoring and steals, Parsons hasn’t been healthy Ennis to me is the better player when given the chance. Seth Curry at PG will see a bigger roll at Dallas and I am higher on him than you.

    • Slim

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      @OldNavy: I’ve always liked James Ennis and he was real strong at the end of the year with New Orleans. To top it off they are real weak at SG and Parsons could very well get minutes at the 4. I wouldn’t argue with Ennis in the top 200. 150 is a stretch but while Parsons is down he could very well achieve that.

      Seth is OK. I just think he’s burried on the depth chart. Barea will play, Devin Harris will play, Matthews and Barnes will play big minutes and Anderson should play a bunch of backup wing. I don’t see the minutes being high enough, and he’s pretty much just 3s and hopefully points with enough minutes. But he’s also a major defensive liability.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @OldNavy: @Slim: Sure, yeah if Parsons had a major setback or something, or re-injury, Ennis would easily make the ranks, but I dunno if I see the PT.

        Yeah Seth is blah, Harris and Barea as Slim mentioned are still gonna play. Matthews and Barnes are huge MPG guys. Stop answering with what I would answer, Slim!

  5. OldNavy says:
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    At SF I like Prince who at 6’8″ lacks scoring but should be a wow factor with steals, blocks and rebounding by the second half of the season. I wouldn’t draft him except in a 20 team league but I would be ready to bounce when his minutes start reflecting his talent.

    Ezeli is the big man I want in deep leagues in the second half of the season once he comes off the DL.

    • Slim

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      @OldNavy: Yeah I like Taurean but they are going to play the vets until they go down, and Bazemore is pretty locked in. But Prince is an older player and should be ready to conribute. I think next year is going to be his year.

      Festus will play when healthy but I don’t think he’ll have a big role and he’s going to be an annoying FT% drain. I think probably more a streamer than an everyday fantasy starter in a 12er.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @OldNavy: @Slim: Ugh, I wish Slim didn’t first name it, or else I was gonna make Tayshaun Prince jokes…

        Ezeli is def an interesting call. I always thought he could be Biyombo-ish from last year if given the minutes.

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        @Slim: I don’t care about a

        ft% drain because I have Drummond, Howard and Capella in 20 team league.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @OldNavy: Nice, then Ezeli fits great!

  6. OldNavy says:
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    One more thought I never liked Stanley Johnson because he couldn’t shoot the ball. I would pass on him even in a 20 team league.

    • Slim

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      @OldNavy: I’m a fan, he’s a bulldog and I think his attack skills will keep his FG% reasonable. I also trust Stan Van and he seems infatuated with the kid.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @OldNavy: @Slim: I’m pretty much at the bottom amongst experts – https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/players/stanley-johnson.php

        Def not in a 12er, probably not a 14er given I would find other guys I like more most likely, but he will 1 – get minutes and B – is young with upside still. Enough there to take a shot in deep leagues

  7. v00dr00 says:
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    So, with these keepers I have here to take up my first 5 rounds out of 15 total rounds….

    AD
    Boogie
    IT2/3
    Testicle Tapper
    Myles T

    A. Is there a punt build to be had here? or B. Can I just got willy nilly with all of my picks 6-15? Who would you pick next with Option A in mind (A player who likely will be sitting in the 6th round) and who would you pick with Option B in mind? I have ideas but wanted your 2/3 cents. Thanks mannnn.

    PS: These tiers are amazing, keep them coming.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @v00dr00: Hahahaha, I did a double take for Draymond, but got it 🙂 Hmmmm. I don’t really see the need to punt much. The deficiencies Boogie brings is covered by lower TO guys and pretty good FG% minus IT2/3 obviously. Your REB and BLK are just insane. It’s guards time! So I would look for low TO guards, ala Mike Conley, then a few rounds late George Hill, guys like that. Plus you need 3s. Hope that’s kinda what you were thinking!

      Will do man, we’ll have these wrapped by mid next week!

      • v00dr00 says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Yeah, Conley was definitely on my mind, but I also bought a first class seat on the Dieng train, so hoping to the basketball gods that I get them in that order.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @v00dr00: Yeah I am one of the conductors of the Dieng Train, but I dunno if you need his stats all that much with AD already haha. But if avail, I might be tempted to do it anyway,. and deal with overloaded stats and other needs via trade

  8. kb says:
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    what do y’all think about Harden’s fg% this year? will there be any meaningful change w/d’antoni?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kb: More possessions = more upside for AST! But for FG%, I don’t see any reason not to expect 44ish% like we’ve seen the past few years. A few more quick jumpers, but high pace of play will net a few more transition layups

  9. Hayward Ginobili says:
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    Hey JB/Slim – Getting hyped for bball. Love the podcasts, keep ’em coming! 14-team 9 cat keeper league, currently keeping Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond, Lillard, Gobert.

    Can keep one more out of: Wiggins, Parsons, Conley, Valanciunas, Aaron Gordon, Clarkson. Who do you like best out of this group? I’m leaning Wiggins (still hoping he can hit that 1-1-1 upside), but you have a couple of the other guys ranked higher.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Hayward Ginobili: Hell yea man, sucks we’re still like 4 weeks out! We’re doing a Pod this afternoon I’ll put up for tomo as the lead, so we’re locked into weekly Pods!

      Damnnnnnnn, nasty set of keepers! So like, in a deeper keeper, I might pass on Parsons for Gordon or Wiggins to keep building out youth. Thing is, I don’t see you NOT keeping any of your other top 5 there, so I’m keeping the best win-now fit. You don’t need scoring, not a big need for 3s, want low TO… Actually I kinda think Valanciunas fits those 5 the best as your final guy

      • Hayward Ginobili says:
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        @JB Gilpin: The Luminescent One!!! That helps me balance the team with another big. I could see going that route. Wiggins and Gordon, though. I’ll try to make a trade for draft picks. Appereciate the input, man! Have a good weekend.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Hayward Ginobili: Hah yeah I know, sooooo much upside you’re cutting out with them, but I don’t see them ever cutting into your top keepers except Gobert, and you kinda need a C anchor… have a good weekend yourself my man!

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    why are nba projections given on a per game basis and mlb projections in the aggregate. it seems durability is everything in the grind of the nba and per game projections can be misleading as in the case of howard.

    I await slim’s next stash of numbers

    thanks

    • Slim

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      @jhm: I’d say it’s because basketball tends to be pretty close game to game where as baseball is about hot and cold streaks and 2 months could be vastly different stats. But in basketball it tends to be pretty close. Projecting totals in basketball would also be projecting how many games missed a player has and that’s just way too hard to do.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @jhm: @Slim: Yeah injuries are always the great equalizer, since they’re entirely unpredictable. Obviously some are more injury prone than others, but yeah projecting games played is tough

  11. TOPSZN says:
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    Hey guys! Looking forward to another awesome season and love the coverage, as always! Been here since the #OccupyDraymond movement haha! I did a 8cat draft and was wondering whether I should trade D’Angelo for Valanciunas. Here’s how my team is looking right now.

    PG: Curry, Teague, D’Angelo, Elfrid, Jennings
    SG: Beal, Wade
    SF: Parsons
    PF: Porzingis, Randle, Amir
    C: Jordan, Bogut, Pachulia

    • Slim

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      @TOPSZN: With Jordan it’s a punt FT team, just the way it is. So throw out FT% and throw out TOs and does that put D’Angelo over JV? Nah, I’ll stick with Russell, esp in 8cat that so heavily favors PGs.

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        @Slim: Thanks Slim!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @TOPSZN: Hah the #Occupy movement was a big one for us! Yup, it’s the 8-cat aspect that has me for sure keeping Russell. I’d hold off

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            @JB Gilpin: The Raptors homer in me has me thinking Valanciunas may make the big leap this year, but I guess holding off is best for now. Thanks JB!

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              @TOPSZN: Yeah I have em ranked close, but a big part of his game in standard leagues is the low TO rate… your format gives D Russell a little boost 🙂

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                @JB Gilpin: Thanks JB!

  12. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP?!!!

    what do u guys think of solomon hill? i just think he is dis years demarre carroll/crowder breakout wing player.

    • Slim

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      @MAC: There’s some upside there. I especially like how his per36 steals went up to 1.5 last year. FT% is nice but on virtually no attempts and he really isn’t that good of a shooter but with 32ish minutes nearly guaranteed he’s a worthy late pick. I just have a feeling he’s going to max out at like Marcus Morris type of stat lines.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @MAC: @Slim: Yeah, but I think it’s early season upside, Tyreke is gonna play at some point (I’d think!) and steal a ton of minutes. The perimeter game really scares me, I know he had a decent run late when he got his final shot with the Pacers, but I don’t love his shot. Pretty flat. I think that’s what holds him back from the wings you mention

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          @JB Gilpin: good point. but it is likely in the PG for tyreke especially with jrue out. i think pels went out and got defense as priority this off season with the hill, moore, galloway signings.

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            @MAC: Oh for sure, I expect them to slow the pace and have much better perimeter D

  13. Jason says:
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    Hey man, who are your biggest sleepers of the year? Especially the ones with great value based on yahoo ranks. Also, are we gonna have a fantasy playoff schedule post anytime soon?

    • Slim

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      @Jason: Guys after 100 that I think will be inside the top 100… Nurkic, Markieff, Elfrid (in the right build), Sullinger. Guys that are worthy gambles… Winslow, Terrence Jones (Yeah yeah I know…), Saric, Kyle Anderson, Portis, Josh Richardson, Bayless.

      Soon… ugh, I gotta finish the projections.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Jason: @Slim: Slim indeed has to finish his projections! Haha. Thanks for keeping the pressure on him Jason!

        Nurk is a big one for me too. Damn Yahoo stole my ranks again! Was gonna say Dieng, but that’s out the window. Winslow I am the highest on I think in FantasyPros. Bayless is a huge one, especially with Simmons hurt. I like Matt Barnes a lot this year, most unheralded 1.5/1/1 guy ever because he’s old and kinda a clown…

  14. Dante Green says:
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    Buddd Should I free up a spot for Saric? Hah

    Droppables:
    Capela
    Nurkic
    RHJ
    Kief

    • Slim

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      @Dante Green: No, No, Maybe, No. RHJ vs Saric. I’ll call it need based with RHJ being for Dstats and Saric for assists and 3s. Saric probably has more upside but RHJ has a more guaranteed role.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Dante Green: @Slim: Haha Slim, yeah it’s a no for me too. I need to see Saric’s role before coming close to swapping for any of those guys

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        @JB Gilpin: @Slim:

        Hah I like that you said RHJ has a more guaranteed role–minutes won’t definitely be a problem for him! Maybe I’m just overreacting about Saric possibly gaining more minutes. Thanks, you guys!

        (Just read TJones had a nice game! Mann… Here we go again! Dude gave me headache all through out last season!! Haha!)

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Dante Green: Yeah Saric I think is guaranteed to play, but still in the air how much. Hahahaha it’s the first game of preseason, I’m not going too nuts yet

  15. Jared B. says:
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    With Bob Cov now getting an opportunity at SG with Simmons out……super deep, 9-cat dynasty …..Bob Cov or Elfrid? (non-punt FT%)

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jared B.: I’ll stick with Elfrid, I take the AST any time I can. I know his FT is bad, but it’s not a huge volume

  16. jhm says:
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    appreciate the advise and the site

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @jhm: Thanks so much man, drop by any time! Thanks for stopping by!

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