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It’s time for everyone’s favorite rankings compartmentalization – tiers!  In all honesty, I used to kinda shrug off the practice of putting players in tiers.  Maybe it’s because I play on Yahoo for the most part and they give virtually every player two positions, or maybe it’s because it’s already a subconscious thing I’m doing with my ranks/draft day strategy.  Either way, it ends up being a pretty interesting post to put together!  My favorite part is naming the tiers…  I feel like when you’re drafting and you see the tier of your upcoming need’s position get dried out, you start to panic.  And it’s always with PG!  In RCL drafts, PG always becomes a panic button for me.  People sniping Elfrid Payton from me, like a bunch of morons!  Here’s the top PG for the 2016-17 fantasy basketball season, in tiers:

The “Please God, give me strength!  (…and a top 4 pick please…) + Screw Yahoo for changing position eligibility AFTER launching but even before preseason starts on Harden!  I ain’t changing all the numbers for this ish!!!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
1 1 Stephen Curry, GS (28) PG, SG My frequently used soundbyte now – Durant is a phenomenal player, Curry is a transcendent player. Curry will also be taking the ball up the court more. 3s with the FG% and the rest of the package keep him #1.
1.5 2 James Harden, HOU (26) PG, SG, SF D’Antoni?! Sign me up! TO will be out of control again, but so will the Pts/Ast as well as the flops for FT.
2 3 Russell Westbrook, OKC (27) PG Yup, with the contract solidified since I did the original top-10 article, I’m now flipping Westy to my 3rd besty. Crazy USG, will need to punt-TO and either punt or fix FG%.

The “Well, I guess top-8 would be fine so I can get Giannis somewhere… Wait, Giannis is a PG?!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
3 7 Chris Paul, LAC (31) PG After a rough start due in part to some early injuries, finished the bulk of the year going 20.3/4.4/10.5/2.1/0.2 with 2.6 TO and 46.4% shooting with 1.8 treys from hi 17th game on. Another year fully entrenched as a first rounder.
4 8 Giannis Antetokounmpo, MIL PG, SG, SF Over the last 26 games, Greek Freak went 18.8/8.4/7.5/1.5/1.9. Insanity! Shot 51.5% too.  With Middleton gone, it adds more offensive onus on The Alphabet. I think it spells #8 value!

The “Time to find the right pairing of PG next to my first-round pick – – And don’t anyone DARE disparage Kemba as a 2nd rounder!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
5 13 Kyle Lowry, TOR (30) PG Career highs in 3s, FT volume and minutes that have me believing he can be a rock. “Welcome to The Rock!” [in Sean Connery’s voice]
6 14 John Wall, WAS (25) PG Slim hates me for having Lowry ahead, these two are pretty close to a coin flip. Not liking the bad FG% for a low-3s guy or the FT trending down last 3 seasons.
7 18 Kemba Walker, CHA (26) PG Breakout season from the Huskie, boosted the FG%, boosted the FT volume, and brings a very interesting skill set for only 2ish TO per.
8 19 Damian Lillard, POR (26) PG I really hate the lack of steals and the high TO when compared to Kemba. I can make up the other stats on ThrAGNOF!

The “Whew!  At least there’s a 3rd round buffer of PG unlike the killer 2nd round and 4th-5th round runs we had last year!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
9 26 Eric Bledsoe, PHO (26) PG, SG Was looking great with my high rank of him last year, but those effin injuries… Risky, but did play 81 games sandwiched between the injury-plagued seasons. Had the meniscus surgery that takes longer to recover from so you can play at peak level, so I still see that big upside there.
10 28 Victor Oladipo, OKC (24) PG, SG I’m warming more and more on the player, but I really don’t love this situation. I’m confused as to why changing your running mate from Elfrid Payton to Westbrook is a GOOD thing, and not like OKC is too shabby compared to ORL everywhere else. I don’t trust the 3s and I think he could be overdrafted.
11 29 Kyrie Irving, CLE (24) PG, SG Looking at 15-16 seasonal numbers might be a turnoff, but he was eased in off the knee injury. Post-ASB and that final Finals shot is a turn ON though! What can Uncle Drew do for YOU?!
12 31 Isaiah Thomas, BOS (27) PG 37th overall finish last year, but mostly due to low REB and bad FG%. Makes him a beautiful fit in a punt-FT, if you loaded up on the big boys early.

The “Hey, some consolation options in the 4th round!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
13 39 C.J. McCollum, POR (24) PG, SG Yikes my anti-McCollum 15-16 calls didn’t go well! I don’t know if he has any more upside, unless he can get to 1.5+ steals.
14 44 Ricky Rubio, MIN (25) PG Despite having constant critics (both Rubio himself AND to me, for my love for Rubio!) he played 76 games last year and had a top-50 season. Kris Dunn does look awesome, but until the Wolves finally trade Rubio, I think he’s at the end of the top-50 again.
15 46 Goran Dragic, MIA (30) PG, SG 17.3/4.6/6.7 post-ASB last year, with a lot more upside with Wade gone, despite the metrics not loving his game due to lack of STL/3s. His FG% makes him a great punt-FT fit though.
UP – Seeing how drafts are playing out and SOMEONE is punting FT by the 4th round, I am moving him snugly in my top-50.

The “Aight, let’s do it!  Let’s go on a PG run!!!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
16 51 Mike Conley, MEM (28) PG Despite my hate on him last year (100% correct too!), I like him at about the same spot in 16-17 with an insane 6.1:1.5 AST:TO last season. Low TO from a PG fits a lot of builds, plus a good wing running mate in Parsons finally.
17 52 Reggie Jackson, DET (26) PG, SG Metrics hate him, but only 30:41 MPG last season, getting in StanVan’s doghouse a few times. Will improve in both minutes and total stats.
18 53 Dennis Schroder, ATL (23) PG Ich Liebe the German! Were’s Paul?! I need to be sure I spelled that right! Yes, the TO was bad in per-minute terms last year, but he had an offensively inept 2nd unit around him and he was trying to prove he’s a starter. I don’t think they get too out of control. Gonna score and dime like a Blitzkreig!
19 54 Jeff Teague, IND (28) PG I know it looks lazy having these two back-to-back, but they’re sooooo close! Teague a little safer and will easily win STL, I just worry about how much rock he gets in that system.
20 55 Elfrid Payton, ORL (22) PG Get SKIIIIIILES!!! the F%*# outta here! Skiles even publicly said he didn’t think Elfrid was the PG of the future, and with a new system and a defensive-minded coach, I could see Elfrid getting off the Shelfrid and taking off.
21 58 Brandon Knight, PHO (24) PG, SG Apparently this rank still prices me in, but I love the high-output 3s with the AST contribution – easy to miss the 5.1 AST he brings amongst some other warts, mainly FG%…
22 59 D’Angelo Russell, LAL (20) PG While I keep calling him D Barksdale for a character in one of the most sophisticated shows ever made, D Russell is anything but. 1.6/3.3/1.2 in 3s/AST/STL in sub-30 minutes as a 19-yr-old is still mad intriguing, especially with no Kobe-USG-suck. Hopefully Russell can keep from doing something stupid.

The “Grab bag of stat-fillers at PG that get shuffled around depending on your team build in the late-mids” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
23 68 Rajon Rondo, CHI (30) PG Speaking of needing to punt stuff! Yes, AST and STL were great last year, but expect major hits in dimes next to Wade and Butler. Might be closer to DAL stats than SAC stats…
24 71 Dwyane Wade, CHI (34) PG, SG Rondo is a TO-vortex! We might get a little fix there, along with good scoring and some wing dimes. But ya know, for 65 games…
25 72 Zach LaVine, MIN (21) PG, SG As a starter, was unreal for 17.3/2.8/3.2/1.1/0.2 in 33 games, including 2.4 treys at an absurd 47.4% clip from the field overall. I don’t know if that % is fully replicable, but heavy treys without killing your FG% should fit some FT punt builds.
26 74 Jeremy Lin, BKN (28) PG, SG Had a great 15-16 in FT volume and a career-low TO rate, and joins a team in desperate need of playmaking. And cool hair.
27 75 George Hill, UTA (30) PG, SG Provides 5ish dimes with a minuscule TO rate, with just an overall non-killing game in %s and TO. LET ME SEE THAT THONG!
28 78 Darren Collison, SAC (29) PG I used to love his fantasy-friendly game as a PG with low TO, but now I hate his character. I originally had him 63 with the legal status of his case still pending, awaiting justice to do its course. He plead guilty. Big suspension coming.
29 80 Avery Bradley, BOS (25) PG, SG Career highs in STL, PTS and 3s, with a nice FG% for a high-end ThrAGNOF.
30 81 Jordan Clarkson, LAL (24) PG, SG Ugh, a tough whiff last year, but with Kobe’s USG gonzo, I could see him being George Hill-ish this year…
31 88 Monta Ellis, IND (30) PG, SG A lot went down, BUT HE’S STILL GETTING PAID ONLY $11 MIL A YEAR! Readers last year get that one… 1.9 STL and 4.7 TO is what you’re drafting here, as any bounceback in scoring is tough to see with this new offense.
32 89 Jrue Holiday, NO (26) PG Like Kyrie, Jrue’s 15-16 can’t be analyzed solely on the year-long stats, as we was eased in off the scary injuries. But his final 36 games – over half his season – was 19.8/3.1/3.7/7.3/1.6/0.3. Unfortunately, we wish he and his family the best with their off-the-court news, as he takes an indefinite period of time to be with the people that matter most. Hate to be callous, but in fantasy terms, I don’t think I want to invest in an uncertain amount of stat accrual.
33 94 Emmanuel Mudiay, DEN (20) PG Makes the top 200 due to PG runs. Not that they have diarrhea, but you get it. Mudiay did finish 15-16 strong going 16.5/3.8/4.9/0.6/0.4 hitting 1.7 treys and shooting 40.8% (high for him) over the final 22 games, so there’s a little hope for minor-breakout potential.

The “HOLY SHIT!  I’m weak as nuts at PG!!!” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
34 102 Derrick Rose, NYK (27) PG I had a little optimism he could be a little better than last year… but then his legal issue got more and more publicity, and he just doesn’t sound like a fun guy, guilty or not of a crime. I like to cheer for my fantasy teams, sue me!
35 111 Patrick Beverley, HOU PG, SG I know I kinda argued the other way for Ariza, but I love me some D’Antoni for P Bev! If he had any history of making it close to a full season, I might push him to 90ish, but missed games has been a big issue.
36 113 Tyreke Evans, NO (28) PG, SG We know the upside when healthy, something he’s not going to be on opening night. I HATE drafting injured guys out of the gate, even if they’re vets. Especially guys with his checkered ankle/knee history.
37 118 Jerryd Bayless, PHI (28) PG, SG JB love JB! The Sixers need a PG who can hit treys, and be cool not distrubiting a ton, with a point-F developing like Simmons. Hard to believe Bayless is still only 28… Could easily have a P-Bev-ish season.
38 119 Kris Dunn, MIN (22) PG Insane in Summer Ball, going 24/7/3/2/1 shooting 54.3% from the field and getting to the stripe for 15 freebies in only 2 games (due to a concussion). It’s tough to project HUGE playing time, but the counting stats could be sexy in a major combo guard role. %s and TO are an issue though, cough MCW…
39 120 Deron Williams, DAL (32) PG Limited upside, low D stats, low FG%, but is a PG who starts in the NBA and had 5.8 AST last season. We obviously can’t expect a full season either.
40 122 Tim Frazier, NO (25) PG With Jrue likely out a good stretch at the beginning of the season, Frazier is penciled in as your PG starter. Went 13.1/4.4/7.5/1.4/0.1 over the final 16 games last year! And not even all of that came as a starter! I’m tempering my expectations a tad because we just don’t know the Jrue game played this year.
41 123 Gary Harris, DEN (22) PG, SG Numbers without Gallinari went WAY up, and while Gallo is injury-prone and a trade candidate, I think Harris is going to be very blah to open the year.

The “Late round flier” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
42 139 Tony Parker, SA (34) PG Interesting note – looks like Parker had his best AST:TO ratio of his career last year: 5.3:1.8. I know he’s old and not going to play a huge MPG or games played, but I found that intriguing as a final AST boost.
43 140 Michael Carter-Williams, MIL (24) PG Middleton injury doesn’t change much, although maybe he helps swing a trade to a team needing a PG.
44 146 Tyler Johnson, MIA (24) PG, SG I think the plan was always to mainly play him behind Dragic, so I’m not tinkiering his rank with the J-Rich injury. Lovvvvvve TyJo’s game, but I dunno if he’ll play enough to reap the full rewards.
45 153 Marcus Smart, BOS (22) PG Seems like there’s some buzz for him to take the next step, but I don’t see that happening until they let him slash instead of shooting 3s. STL in the bank is nice, but meh.

The “Undraftable in 12ers” Tier:

PG RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
46 166 Matthew Dellavedova, MIL (26) PG, SG Mehhhh, yeah Middleton news does nothing for me here, maybe an extra 3 attempt happens a game from what we would’ve otherwise expected. Still going to be Giannis running the point.
47 167 Cameron Payne, OKC (22) PG The cards keep getting stacked against him! I was actually hoping Westbrook would be moved to make him a MAJOR sleeper PG for me, then they got Dipo, and then he broke his foot. Sounds like he’s on the cusp of being ready for opening night, but I like the upside enough to take a shot on him as a combo G surprise in 20+ MPG off the pine.
48 174 Brandon Jennings, NYK (27) PG Played like vintage BJ off the bench with a bad FG% and great AST:TO last year. Rose is an obvious injury risk and possible suspension risk, so a nice stash gamble in deepers.
49 182 Ty Lawson, SAC (28) PG I don’t really care how long Collison gets suspended, I don’t think Lawson is that good at basketball anymore after his DISASTROUS 15-16.
50 190 Lou Williams, LAL (29) PG, SG Minutes are obviously a question mark, but his FT volume and 3PTM skillset is unique in the streaming class.
51 194 Langston Galloway, NO (24) PG, SG Gets an added boost with Jrue’s games played in question, and should be a fixture as a combo guard off the bench. Doesn’t do much stats-wise, but has impressively low TO rates with a few dimes.
52 195 Shaun Livingston, GS (31) PG, SG Warriors have pretty light depth at guard, and Livingston can chip in some low-volume stats with low-TO. Nice deep league depth.
53 196 Allen Crabbe, POR (24) PG, SG Got really effing rich this offseason! Turner is probably starting and McCollum is going to get his huge run… When are the Blazers gonna get Crabby?!
54 197 Jarrett Jack, ATL (32) PG, SG A little surprising he landed somewhere where playing time is so assured, but he should play a nice mentorship role to Schroder. Although he’ll need a German translator like my boy Paul.
55 198 E’Twaun Moore, NO (27) PG, SG Another benefactor to the Jrue-hole, and one that got paid. He’ll have some sort of role.

 

  1. darrylmontales says:
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    kindly change the team of reggie jackson.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @darrylmontales: Haha thanks for the catch! Yeah I do all of this manually, so I inevitably make a few mistakes. Fixed on here and the main ranks now, appreciate it!

  2. MAC says:
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    RAZUP?!!!

    nyc!!! tiers!!!

    sssssshhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @MAC: Hah yessir! And shhhhhhh indeed!

  3. Aaron says:
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    hey JB is there no injured spot for yahoo this year?

    • A Hill O' Beans says:
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      @Aaron: There is actually. I’ve already got Jrue in the IL spot in my RCL. I’d say go check your settings except Yahoo seems to have removed the roster positions from the league settings page.

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Aaron: @A Hill O’ Beans: Huh, yeah that is REALLY weird Yahoo doesn’t list the positions on the league settings page anymore. So the only ways to really “know” is to ask your commish, or if you have an injured guy, click on him and see if that IL spot at the bottom populates

        • Aaron says:
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          @JB Gilpin: JB you are my commish! Hahaha

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @Aaron: Oh my bad! Tough to keep all the leagues straight haha, yeah Yahoo default is 2 IL spots 🙂

  4. Threekola says:
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    I made my own tier list, up to about top-90, to compare to yours. Almost identical.

    This was an awesome post, mostly because I realized it makes a difference to look at it in a position-specific way. So thank you. When I first saw your regular ranks, I didn’t really second guess any of them.

    Now that I see them in this format, I realize that there is one player that you think way more highly of this season than I do:

    RAJON FKIN RONDO.

    You have him over Wade, Lavine, Collison, Clarkson, Hill, etc.

    This post will be solely dedicated to shitting on Mr. Rondo. Here I go.

    IFFFFF your dimes are anywhere near average when the time comes to decide between these guys, then I’m not even considering Rondo at this range. If you’re absolutely in dire need of assists, then I get it. But, if this is in a vacuum which I’m guessing it is, then I think we’re on a very different page for Rondo. I just can’t. I just…can’t. I can’t do it man.

    Here’s my idea of why his situation is so bad now, especially compared to how it was on the Kings:

    In Sac-Town, he had shooters like Gay, Bellinelli, Casspi, Collison, and Curry to space the floor. More importantly, COUSINS. Pick and rolls, pick and pops, post ups into quick post hooks or drop steps that generated assists, anything you want. Cousins is a dream come true for a guy like Rondo.

    Now take Cousins out of the picture, add Robin Lopez. Rondo can’t shoot. On a pick, the defending big doesn’t need to hedge and the defending guard can just go under. So the defending big can stay low, so Robin can’t roll. He would need to pick and pop. But he can’t shoot either, so that doesn’t work.

    Now, take away all those shooters he had in Sacramento. Wade and Butler are gonna be in most of the game, and neither are close to great 3-point shooters or are going to be willing to just spot up the whole game.Butler 33% career, 31% last year. We all know Wade can’t shoot threes. Lopez can’t shoot in general. They’ll have just one shooter in at the 4 basically, and 90% of the time whoever is at the 4 will be their worst player on the court, so he’ll only shoot so much. The floor shrinks, which is a nightmare for a guy like Rondo who shoots like he has two left hands. Only gonna make it that much harder for him to both create AND score.

    Then add TWO guys who want and need the ball and are both clearly better players than Rondo – Wade and Jimmy. Yes, Gay and Cousins are better too, but Gay wasn’t ball dominant, or at least nothing like Wade or Jimmy, and Cousins only helped his assists tremendously.

    Last but not least, pace. Kings were #1 in possessions per game last year. Bulls weren’t top 10, and I think it only goes down this year.

    The scoring and dimes HAVE to fall, and I think rebounds do too because of the slower pace. There is also absolutely no upside for huge 17-12-15 games like he had in Sacramento to compensate for his bad ones. I think it’s going to be just a combination of okay games and duds. Something like Elfrid last year. This is all assuming he stays healthy, which isn’t guaranteed. Last 6 seasons games played: 53, 38, 30, 68, 68, 72. He’s been doing okay lately, but there is a very real chance he won’t even play 70 games.

    The only stat he even has a chance to maintain is steals, which I think is unlikely, because 2.0 was his highest since 2011. The pace in SAC I think helped there too. 2011 he had 2.3, then 2012 sharp drop to 1.8, then from there a consistent decline to 1.2 in 2015. Not even sure how he got to 2.0 last year but if I were a betting man, I’d take the under on 1.8 steals a game, and could see as low as 1.5 or worse if his season turns into a disaster in Chicago. Last season of more than 1.3 steals – 1.3! – (not including last year) was 2013.

    He doesn’t help you in either %, threes, and definitely hurts you in TO, although it shouldn’t be as bad with less rock. Counting stats saved his value, and I think he takes a huge dip this season.

    My guess? 9-6-8.5.-1.6 with terrible % on over 3 TO on 68 games. Yeah, give me literally ANYONE else in that tier. Wait, let me check…

    Yup, anyone else… even Mudiay. At least he has some upside.

    I’m sorry JB, as I’m sure my hate for Rondo is literally bursting out from your screen all over your face. I just had to. Slim, you’re welcome to hop on this too!

    -ya boy Threekola

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Threekola: Wow that’s cool your list is so close, great minds!

      Haha yeesh, you wrote War & Peace about shitting on Rondo! I agree with pretty much everything – I did see they want Wade to shoot a ton more 3s this year which makes sense. No question coring and dimes fall.

      I think the steals you’re panicking too much on. 13-14 was a small sample. 14-15 got bogged down because he was a trainwreck in DAL and lost a ton of minutes. He was 1.7 in BOS before the trade so I don’t have the red flag here. 1.6-1.7ish for me.

      Yeah you hit on why I think he’ll be OK – TO will go down. I still think 3ish indeed though.

      All of this said, I DON’T LIKE RONDO EITHER! I’m already building in a ton of regression, but I guess I’m not staying 100% clear of him. I’m the last guy in grey on Fantasypros before he goes to red – and well below consensus – https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/players/rajon-rondo.php

    • Adam

      Adam says:
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      @Threekola: I second the Rondo shitfest. Anyone else in that tier… Rondo had guys around him in Sac that could at least shoot… If Rondo would be surrounded by three shooters, I’d agree with the assists, but as it is, I definitely would want anyone else in the tier as well.

      Don’t settle for being within the average JB! Be extraordinary!

      • Threekola says:
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        @JB Gilpin: @Adam:

        Cool, my prediction on steals was 1.6, so we actually agree. We agree on scoring and dimes…we agree on TO…

        So…how exactly do you have him top 70 again? Am I missing something here? Is that stat line I projected worthy of rank 68, or do you project better stats? If so, can I see your prediction?

        Adam, eyyyyyy. There we go. Screw the “experts”. What are the qualifications anyway lol?

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Adam: @Threekola: I think you guys are still panicking too hard, I mean Colly is missing games, Jrue missing games, LaVine no assists… I don’t think you get the PG stats from anyone else.

          Oh I see your 1.6 now, your projected line was confusing haha. I’m not the numbers guy, that’s Slim. I haven’t posted his updates yet, but he has Rondo:

          .450/.590/0.8/10.5/5.8/8.4/1.8/0.1/2.9 :32

          Given the Bulls need 3s, I actually think he tops 1.0 there for the first time.

          Give me:

          43%/60%/1.1/10.9/6.0/8.7/1.7/0.1/2.9 :34

          So I see a few more minutes than Slim. Metrics may not “quite” have that 68, but remember ranks are for your personal team’s value, you’re not ranking based on metrics every pick. Everyone needs AST and PG dries up quick.

          And all of this said, what the fuck guys, you’re making me DEFEND Rondo?! Also, Adam I’m not settling for average at all, I am WELL BELOW average! AHHHHHHH

          • Threekola says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            #AverageJB get it trending! Haha.

            Alright, so neither yours or Slim’s projection is far of mine. I just think he scores less than 10 and he gets a few less steals. He was averaging like 10-13 in Boston when he was in his physical prime and the next best player was Jeff Green.

            And like I said, if we’re considering the possible need for assists this late, then I will not hate taking Rondo…that much. But if I am doing okay on assists, which I think will be much easier this year with so many PGs or guys who get PG assists, I doubt I’m taking him over any of those guys. Only one that I’m not 100% on is Mudiay, but I’m still like 80% Mudiay over Rondo, so it’s barely even close.

            I just can’t see this offense working in any efficient way. I see a bunch of halfcourt sets going late in the clock after a failed Rondo pick and roll and either Wade or Butler being forced into isolating or running a pick and roll themselves with 8 seconds left.

            1 decent floor spacer in the starting 5…I’m gonna throw up.

          • Adam

            Adam says:
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            @JB Gilpin: By that logic, Robin Lopez could top 1 trey per game too… Only will need 5-6 shots from deep to do it!

            Hey, if you’re in the gray, then you’re average… If you can live with that, then that’s none of my business…

            Is Portis the best shooter behind McBuckets? I think that could be arguable lol. Gotta remember the spacers that Rondo has always played with in Boston and in Sac. The pick and pop with Cousins was deadly.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Threekola: @Adam: 1 – I hate you guys

              2 – Yeah it’s not a fun offense

              3 – Rolo shooting 3s, why you being weird? Rondo has had 0.9 I think twice, not like I’m saying he’s gonna morph into Curry out there! Sheesh.

              4 – Only reason I’m in grey is because of awful outliers, both too high and too low.

              5 – I hate you guys

              • Adam

                Adam says:
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                @JB Gilpin: @Philzilla – Touche, forgot about him. Not sure if you can run his terrible defense out there any more than they have though.

                While Lopez has not taken a 3 pointer in the NBA, he shot 50% from deep during his college career.

                Case Closed.

            • Philzilla says:
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              @Adam: Rondo and Wade playing together only strengthens the case that Nikola should have his best season yet with their dire need of spacing.

              • JB Gilpin

                JB Gilpin says:
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                @Adam: @Philzilla: Yeah Nikola’s defense, particularly as a PF, is suspect at best.

                Hahahaha Rolo that good ol 1 for 2 in college. 1 3ptm in college and the pros. Hah!

  5. Threekola says:
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    Also, scratch the 6 rebounds prediction. I thought he got 7 last year but he got 6.0 Make that 5.5 rebounds at most.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Threekola: I REJECT YOUR AMENDMENT! haha

  6. Adam

    Adam says:
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    If Giannis is in, then where’s Harden?? D’antoni said he’s playing point

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Adam: Yahoo sneaking in changes…

      Sep 27 1:54am Position change: gained G eligibility

      • Slim

        Slim says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Harden is PG eligible in Y!

        • Slim

          Slim says:
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          @Slim: but ideally him and Giannis occupy the SF spot and you still get 4 other PGs.

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @Adam: @Slim: Not my fault Yahoo is making position changes after I have an article done! UGH haha

            • G. says:
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              @JB Gilpin: And here I was thinking “Wait, this is not how ties work, you can’t just put 1.5 and leave everybody else’s rank unchanged!” But now that makes sense…

            • Adam

              Adam says:
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              @JB Gilpin: I’m surprised they made the eligibility move so soon… Figured they’d wait for him to actually show a lineup with Harden at the point, but oh well.

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                @G.: @Adam: Haha yeah, I mean, it would only take me a few minutes to fix the numbers, but I am not gonna do it out of protest! Agree the switch this fast is odd… But you can see when it was applied going into his news blurb and in the Player History tab

  7. G. says:
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    On a different note, Adam already gave me his opinion on this, but I’m wondering what others think as well. With the 4th pick in a 12ers, 9 Cat, assuming Curry, Durant and Harden are gone, do you go for Westbrook, or do you pass? If you pass, who do you take?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @G.: I’m still going Westbrook. Adam got burned by the TO and FG% in the REL, but I think he’s still someone to build around, likely punting TO and trying to get FG% usable.

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        @JB Gilpin: Alright, I’ll experiment with that and see what happens. Like the another commenters suggests, I was also considering KAT instead, but I don’t know rly.

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          @G.: Yeah KAT is the only one worth considering. But I have the big 4, then KAT locked at 5 for me

    • bahraspower says:
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      @G.: The 2017 MVP, Kawhi Leonard.

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        @G.: @bahraspower: Hah 4th is rich for Kawhi to me, due to minutes getting scaled back compared to the other studs, and games played concerned. Don’t get me wrong, I love Kawhi! I ranked him wellllll above consensus for a while

        • Philzilla says:
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          @JB Gilpin: if you don’t want to deal with the massive drains that REB provides, you can’t go wrong with Anthony Davis or KAT

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            @Philzilla: I meant RWB, not REB. Damn you fat fingers and tiny phone keyboard.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @G.: @bahraspower: @Philzilla: Haha I knew what ya meant. If you were a fortune teller and told me Brow would play 80 games, I’d be totally with you on him at 4, maybe even higher, but the risk is too great for me

  8. Pong says:
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    I can’t believe they gave Harden PG eligibility. He’s the unquestionable first overall in my eyes now

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Pong: Eh, it doesn’t change much for me. Yahoo having 2 or 3 positions for almost everyone makes it pretty easy to put a line-up together without over-filling issues. Still my #2 🙂

      • Pong says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        There aren’t many guys who hold 3 positions and definitely few guys that play PG and SF (I can only think of giannis).

        I guess my biggest concerns are: a) possible rest for curry down the stretch b) GS totally annihilating each team on a given night meaning less of Curry playing the 4th quarter c) we still aren’t sure how much a high usage guy like Durant will affect his play.

        But yea, when it comes down to it, they’re damn close for standard 9 cat leagues. One league i play in counts FTs though, so that definitely vaults him above Curry for me.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Pong: And also Harden now, with PG and SF! All of those concerns with Curry are valid, but with Durant even ADDING spacing, I think we could see massive FG% BOOST with 3s, which is such an elite combo mixed with AST and STL and the rest of his game. Hah, yeah in a FTM, it’s def Harden indeed though 🙂

  9. hisXLNZ says:
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    JB nice article and rundown again….just saw a couple of things that might help things get sort out for some readers….dwade is showing mia and rondo showing sac….garry harris showing pg sg eligibilty but y! only has him as sg….thought this might help….i know putting this up requires time and a lot of effort….

    • JB Gilpin

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      @hisXLNZ: Thanks so much man! Wish I could have a full time editor haha. I’m pretty good with text editing, but all these tables can get to ya haha. Fixed all those, weird on Harris, maybe I looked at Devin Harris accidentally? Not sure…

  10. Scott says:
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    Thanks for the tiers, JB! Is Center next?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Scott: For sure man, thanks for stopping by! SG is already good to go, and we’ll be going that way, so SF, PF, C early next week 🙂

  11. Toni says:
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    Hi Boys!

    at first, thanks for your tiers!

    Then, I wanna ask about B. Kight. I play dinasty 12er/11cat/roto and I have the oportunity to get B. Kinght and M. Williams in exchange for Gay and send Bosh to the FA.
    My team: Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Eric Bledsoe, Eric Gordon, Justin Anderson, Rudy Gay, Chandler Parsons, Tobias Harris, Chris Bosh, Serge Ibaka, Nicola Vucevic, Gorgui Dieng, Jusuf Nurkic, Enes Kanter, John Henson
    If Bosh returns and Gay plays his average, I think I don´t have to move. But are 2 risky players vs. two players that we know what are gonig to give. And the most important, I need 3 with good %.
    Accept the trade, really?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Toni: Yo dude! Yeah I’m assuming Bosh’s career is over. So it’s an older Gay for a younger Knight and usable Marvin. I think you gotta take that one! Also Gay getting traded to another team which seems so inevitable, is gonna hurt him

  12. philbe says:
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    Sergio Rodriguez ??? Whats everyone’s take on him

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      @philbe: Ummmm, I kinda like Bayless and Brown still likes McConnell… I struggle to see enough playing time out of the gate. Should one get hurt, maybe he can have some deep league usability

  13. Hayward Ginobili says:
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    Hey JB! Getting hyped for bball. Love the baseball/bball podcasts, keep ’em coming! 14-team 9 cat keeper league, currently keeping Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond, Lillard, Gobert.

    Can keep one more out of: Wiggins, Parsons, Conley, Valanciunas, Aaron Gordon, Clarkson. Who do you like best out of this group? I’m leaning Wiggins (still hoping he can hit that 1-1-1 upside), but you have a couple of the other guys ranked higher.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Hayward Ginobili: Got ya on the SG tiers post! Kinda backtracked comment today haha

  14. jay says:
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    JB- did you watch the preseason game last night btwn GSW and LAC? GSW offense was so fluid and humming. They only punked the LAC to the tune of 45 pts. LAC big 3 played. I drafted Steph as #1 and I know it’s only 1 preseason game but if last night was any indication, I might try to trade him when he goes through 1-3 games of going bonkers. I think their team defense is underrated especially on occasions last night when Dray and/or KD would help/swarm the low post guy that can overpower Zaza. KD’s length is just really problematic for the other team when he helps on D. Now, DeAndre isn’t anywhere close to a polished low post player that can read the defense so I’ll concede on that but in those instances last night, either a bad shot where KD/Dray/Zaza would be in great position to rebound a missed shot or KD/Dray/Steph would be ready for the potential pass out of the post which results in one heck of a fast break where either KD/Dray/Steph can play the PG. And I think this is where I’m worried. Yeah, Curry will still be the guy that mostly handles the rock–on set plays. I think if their defense is legit and they force turnovers or bad shots and grab the defensive rebs, this has got to hurt Curry in fantasy terms too as there is another guy now that can lead the fast break in KD.

    I think what ends up happening is Steph/Klay takes turn being the other scorer that goes bonkers. KD is really the most natural scorer between them in that he has more tools to be able to get his pts and obviously the matchup problems he creates.

    There will be a lot more occasions where we see a pedestrian fantasy line from Curry this year even though they are blowing their opponents out by 25+.

    Klay’s #s were definitely ThragNof-y. KD was a monster.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400903190

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jay: Nah I didn’t, but yeah 21+ MPG for GS starters while not the same run for LAC starters. Probably want the Warriors to gel.

      I’m not arguing that it’s all status quo for Curry, but I still think the 3s/%s have him end up the #1, on a little less value than last year. I dunnnnno if I would argue KD is the “more natural scorer” of the 3. Best all-around scorer? Sure. But Curry is going to break all the 3pt records, which is scoring at 150%! Haha.

      • Jay says:
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        @JB Gilpin: would assume that the Clippers starters would have played more had they not been blown out since the middle of the 2nd qtr.

        That’s what I meant in reference to KD’s scoring abilities.

        Kerr already stating not to expect Curry to hit 400 3s this year. I’ll be happy with 300. Haha

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Jay: True, but not like GSW benched guys as fast either. Oh ok, that makes sense re: KD. And yeah, even if you shave off a good bit from Curry last year, he still woulda been #1. He was so much better than the field, that I think he can be #1 again. All top 4 are close though

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