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[Reposting to the top with Updating Rankings as of October 22nd!

This will be the final ranks we put out before the season starts, so cross your fingers these look good when we reflect on them at the end of the year!]

Here it is, folks!  Below is our official Razzball Basketball top 200, which we’ll be updating through the preseason, listed with Yahoo position eligibility and accompanied by a small blurb for my reasonings.  Which isn’t a word?!  What if I have more than one reasoning!?

And as an extra step up from last year, Slim has included his projection for each player.  All in this one, easy to use list!  Slim and I see eye-to-eye on most things fantasy hoops, but he’ll of course have some differences of opinion.  So if you see a Slim projection that looks variant from my rank, you’ll know why!  And as always, we’re both always hitting up the comments and can [attempt to] explain our reasonings… There it is again!  I want it plural, dammit!  Here’s our one stop shop for our 2014-15 Fantasy Basketball Rankings:

Razzball Basketball 2014-2015 Fantasy Basketball Rankings

(updated Oct. 22)

(rankings geared for H2H Leagues)

(stats by FT%/FG%/3PTM/PTS/REB/AST/STL/BLK/TO :MPG)

RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
1 Anthony Davis, NOP PF, C Durant injury puts the Brow to numero uno. Viva El Brow!
Slim’s Projection: .510/.780/0.4/23.5/9.8/1.8/1.5/3.0/1.9 :38
↑ 2 Stephen Curry, GSW PG, SG Steady as she blows, big threes and big dimes, with a vault in the latter in 13-14. Kerr as the new coach shouldn’t change anything and Curry still has ThrAGNOF king Klay Thompson to camp for treys.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.900/3.5/24.0/4.1/8.7/1.7/0.2/3.6 :38
↓ 3 Kevin Durant, OKC SF, PF The surgery actually makes me a little confident. I’m of course just out of medical school, but surgeries are more and more effective these days, and I think he’ll be back and at full strength mid-December. Ride the storm until then, make the playoffs, and you have fantasy’s best per-game player to win your league title.
Slim’s Projection: .505/.880/2.2/31.0/7.6/5.0/1.3/0.8/3.5 :38
4 LeBron James, CLE SF, PF Disappearing blocks, regressing boards – especially with Love joining – and arguably the best supporting cast with the best PG he’s played with. Less rock for King!
Slim’s Projection: .550/.750/1.3/25.0/6.4/5.9/1.6/0.4/3.2 :38
5 James Harden, HOU SG, SF Considering the unbelievable post-ASB slash of 27.7/4.7/7.4/1.9/0.3 shooting 47% from the field with three treys a game – and no Jeremy Lin – I see a new career-high in assists for an out-of-position option that should surpass Paul’s output. And you can’t discount the high-volume FT shooting that can win your weekly FTs.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.860/2.5/26.0/4.9/6.4/1.7/0.4/3.7 :38
6 Chris Paul, LAC PG Paul’s category-killing dimes are awesome, but Harden brings slightly more to the table. Including facial hair.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.860/1.2/18.0/4.1/10.6/2.3/0.1/2.2 :36
7 Serge Ibaka, OKC PF, C Iblocka! Plus he should take another baby step forward in FG%, Pts, treys… There’s really nothing not to like.
Slim’s Projection: .525/.770/0.6/17.0/9.3/1.2/0.5/3.0/1.5 :34
8 Russell Westbrook, OKC PG While he should be beastly, these ranks are still for 9-cat H2H, and his FG% and TO are going to be brutal while running the team. Very good chance he goes bonkers though. But remember, you’re drafting for the whole season, not the first month or two.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.4/23.0/5.2/7.2/1.8/0.2/3.8 :34
9 John Wall, WAS PG If Westbrook goes up, so must Wall! Still think these two are a coin flip, the missed time of Durant vaulting Westy.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.810/1.3/20.5/4.1/9.2/1.8/0.7/3.6 :38
10 DeMarcus Cousins, SAC PF, C There’s just something about his preseason giving me the Anthony Davis vibe from last year. I know it’s preseason and it’s not much of a sample, but edging him up a couple spots from my original rank.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.740/0/24.0/12.0/3.0/1.6/1.3/3.5 :34
11 Kevin Love, CLE PF, C Slim hath swooned me. I wanted Westbrook above Love (alliteration!) now, and still think he and Wall are a coin flip. Plus I’m woogie for Boogie. So had to move Love down.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.820/2.3/21.0/11.2/2.6/0.7/0.4/2.1 :36
12 Carmelo Anthony, NYK SF, PF I don’t expect the career highs in boards and blocks to carry over to 14-15, but will be the same elite scorer for Phil J’s triangle.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.830/2.2/27.0/6.8/3.5/1.0/0.5/2.6 :38
13 Paul Millsap, ATL PF, C A bit of a reach, but his best month of scoring/treys in 13-14 was with Horford on the court, and will continue to develop the perimeter game with Horford establishing the paint.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.740/1.0/19.0/8.7/3.1/1.8/1.0/2.5 :36
↑ 14 Al Jefferson, CHA PF, C I just seem to trust him more with the clock against me in the early 2nd round. Had an unreal run in the second half of 13-14, going 25.2/11.4/2.3/1/1 from Jan. 14 to the end of the year.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.730/0/20.0/10.0/2.0/1.0/1.0/1.7 :34
15 Al Horford, ATL PF, C Was having a career season until the pec injury. Same argument as Millsap – another perimeter threat will help Horford down low.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.720/0/18.0/8.9/3.0/1.0/1.3/2.2 :34
16 LaMarcus Aldridge, POR PF, C The FG% from a big is no fun, but a sneaky multi-cat contributor.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.810/0/22.0/9.8/2.5/0.9/0.9/1.9 :36
17 Kawhi Leonard, SAS SG, SF The risk is only in usage both in role and minutes, but Pop had an encouraging quote citing he will be coaching Kawhi consistency to be in the upper echelon of players. But even his floor is a pretty nasty multi-cat game.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.810/1.4/15.0/6.8/2.2/1.9/0.8/1.5 :34
18 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL PF, C The age is the question, but I don’t see much of a fall off. That said, boards are trending down.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.880/1.4/21.0/6.2/2.6/0.9/0.6/1.5 :34
19 Blake Griffin, LAC PF, C A breakout last year, I think he replicates his 13-14. But why in the name of Mutumbo can this guy not block more shots?!
Slim’s Projection: .530/.720/0/24.0/9.4/4.0/1.2/0.6/2.7 :36
20 Damian Lillard, POR PG Opening the run on PGs, Lillard gives you elite 3s/FT%/consistency. Should be third straight season of solid-ness.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.870/2.8/22.0/3.5/6.5/1.0/0.2/2.4 :36
21 Goran Dragic, PHO PG, SG One of my big crushes this year, the FG% from a PG is elite. I see dimes going up and an even better follow-up after his 13-14 breakout, despite IT2 joining the G party in Phoenix.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.770/1.4/18.0/3.1/6.2/1.4/0.3/2.7 :34
22 Kyle Lowry, TOR PG A monster breakout last year, I think he can do it again.  Injury-risk after having career-long issues are still a concern.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.800/2.1/17.0/4.4/7.2/1.5/0.2/2.4 :34
23 Kyrie Irving, CLE PG, SG It’s all postulation, but I think Kyrie can surprise with ratios, get more assists than most (Slim!) expects, but at the expense of a few points.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.860/1.6/18.0/3.4/5.2/1.5/0.3/2.4 :34
24 Chris Bosh, MIA PF, C No LeBron, time to own! I’m still not reaching too too hard, but I’ve moved him up a few spots from his original 30ish rank.
Slim’s Projection: .495/.820/0.7/18.0/7.4/2.2/0.9/1.0/1.9 :34
25 Nicolas Batum, POR SG, SF Safe, reliable, multi-cat goodness. Should replicate 13-14 with relative ease.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.820/2.0/13.5/7.2/5.0/1.0/0.8/2.4 :36
26 Nikola Vucevic, ORL PF, C Has always been underrated, should have another 1+ 5-cat line with his minutes bouncing back up and terrific %s.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.770/0/16.0/11.8/1.9/1.0/1.0/2.0 :34
27 Ricky Rubio, MIN PG The offense continues to be muy mal, but another elite ast/stl season is worth the price of admission.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.800/0.8/12.0/4.2/8.9/2.4/0.1/3.0 :34
28 Mike Conley, MEM PG Is the anti-Rubio, safer on all fronts, but without the category-killing upside.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.820/1.4/17.0/2.8/6.1/1.7/0.2/2.1 :34
↓ 29 Ty Lawson, DEN PG Injury concerns just continue to mount… Bad ankle and now a bum hammy. I know a special product in Denver that might help though!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.790/1.2/18.0/3.4/8.8/1.5/0.2/3.2 :36
30 Andre Drummond, DET PF, C A lot of people are still reaching, but while I’m not getting him close to top 20, I needed to move him up a smidge from where I had him at first. Probably not ending up on a lot of my teams, but if he’s there in my third round when I had the 6th or 7th pick, definitely taking him.
Slim’s Projection: .600/.440/0/14.5/12.9/0.5/1.4/1.7/1.5 :34
31 Marc Gasol, MEM C 19th overall player final two months, and that’s after recovering from a bad MCL sprain. Started slow under the Joerger regime, I’m stoked if Gasol falls to me here.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.780/0/15.0/7.8/3.8/1.0/1.4/1.9 :34
32 Joakim Noah, CHI PF, C Had a career season without Rose, obvious regression to hit and lengthy track record of lingering injuries scares me.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.740/0/12.0/10.4/3.8/1.2/1.6/2.1 :34
33 Jrue Holiday, NOP PG The Pelicans are turning into a really interesting team if they can stay healthy, with Jrue the true PG running the show. December slash of 16.3/4.6/9/1.4/0.4 while finally gelling with the offense pre-injury shows you the upside.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.780/1.0/15.0/4.2/7.8/1.6/0.4/3.3 :34
↑ 34 Monta Ellis, DAL PG, SG A rock-solid safety pick, and he should have no problem duplicating 13-14 with maybe even a tad more upside with Dallas’ downgrade at PG.  Finding myself very happy with him on teams with big men that aren’t huge scorers.
Slim’s Projection: .440/775/0.8/19.0/3.7/5.9/1.5/0.2/3.1 :36
35 Victor Oladipo, ORL PG, SG Edit: Broke his face.  Literally!  Rough Rough offseason for RainbOladipo. I’ll give an estimate on his rank when there’s a little more news, but if I were drafting this second, I’d avoid.  I’m hoping to get RainbOladipo on all of my teams – Orlando has cleared out the annoying G vets and given him the keys. Lost 20 pounds and is ready for a big breakout.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.790/1.2/17.5/4.7/4.8/1.8/0.6/3.2 :34
36 Kemba Walker, CHA PG Late-January ankle sprain lingered through the end of the season, improving AST:TO ratio while shooting tremendously pre-injury could make a draft day steal.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.820/1.6/18.0/4.2/6.4/1.4/0.4/2.4 :36
37 Chandler Parsons, DAL SF, PF Immediately makes me a Mavs fan, and he’s still in a high-powered offense.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.750/1.7/15.5/5.6/3.9/1.2/0.4/1.8 :36
38 Derrick Favors, UTA PF, C So, so underrated. Shot 52.2% from the field last year, and with a terrible supporting cast, was creating his own post opportunities. Played only 30 MPG in 13-14, will get expanded if he can cut down the fouls and boost the board and blocks.
Slim’s Projection: .505/.690/0/16.0/9.6/1.4/1.1/1.8/2.0 :34
↓ 39 Michael Carter-Williams, PHI  PG Still really like him, but shoulder issue seems to keep lingering and lingering…  It’s not going to be that long though!
Slim’s Projection: .410/.710/1.0/18.0/6.4/6.7/2.0/0.7/3.6 :36
40 Rudy Gay, SAC SF, PF Through mocks and a few drafts, he just isn’t appealing to me in the 30s. Serviceable, but boring.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.790/0.7/19.0/5.5/2.8/1.3/0.6/2.8 :34
41 DeAndre Jordan, LAC C Played 3 minutes less a game post-ASB, and getting benched late is a worry for me. No way he plays 35 per in 14-15. I think we see more hack-a-Dre.
Slim’s Projection: .650/.440/0/9.5/11.7/0.8/0.9/2.1/1.3 :32
42 Eric Bledsoe, PHX PG, SG I expect to be one of the lowest rankers on E Bled, finished only 52nd in per-game last year. While contract is hammered out, injury-risk still there, and he turned the ball over way too much in his first season as a full-time starter.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.780/1.2/17.5/4.8/5.6/1.6/0.4/3.4 :34
43 Kobe Bryant, LAL PG, SG Incredibly polarizing – upside is huge, downside is he gets hurt again early on. I feel good with the risk here.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.840/1.3/19.0/4.6/5.0/1.1/0.2/2.0 :34
44 Derrick Rose, CHI PG I’m likely passing on D-Rose in all leagues, I think he’s lost too much with the knee injuries and I don’t like the risk.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.820/1.6/18.0/3.2/6.3/0.8/0.4/3.4 :32
45 Wesley Matthews, POR SG, SF Definition of a safe pick, has played in every game in 4 of his 5 seasons, microscopic TOs, a perfect compliment to a high volume TO PG who doesn’t make enough 3s.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.830/2.4/16.0/3.4/2.4/1.1/0.2/1.4 :34
46 Gordon Hayward, UTA SG, SF His shooting from the field has consistently gone down in more minutes, Exum/Burke are not going to help FG% and TOs. Some slumps are going to be tough to bear, but overall slash should be solid.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.820/1.4/18.0/5.2/5.3/1.4/0.5/2.6 :36
47 Nerlens Noel, PHI PF, C This should put him on nearly all of my teams. Immense upside, more polished offensive game than he gets credit for – the probable minutes limitation does make it a gamble.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.680/0/10.5/7.4/1.3/1.5/2.6/1.9 :28
48 Thaddeus Young, MIN SF, PF Succumbing a little bit to the consensus and to comments, I think I had him an iota too low earlier in the offseason. The steals are coming a little down, and I don’t think the perimeter game is going to carry over as much (K-Mart can only shoot 3s!), but solid here.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.710/0.9/16.5/6.0/2.1/1.7/0.5/2.0 :34
49 Marcin Gortat, WAS C Huge season in Wizards debut, should have no problem having a comparable encore.
Slim’s Projection: .545/.680/0/13.0/9.4/1.5/0.5/1.4/1.5 :32
50 DeMar DeRozan, TOR SG, SF As I mentioned before, for as high-volume a scorer he is, TOs very manageable. Solid FT shooter, assists have consistently gone up for his career, he can plug a lot of holes for roster comp early in the mid-rounds.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.820/0.5/23.0/4.1/3.9/0.9/0.3/2.1 :36
51 Pau Gasol, CHI PF, C While my original blurb before holds true (FG% should jump back up on a better team, out-of-position dimes are huge, chips in blocks still as well… Not much to not like other than injury risk), like Gay, I just never end up getting him so moved him down a little. I don’t want no boring! Is looking great in preseason though…
Slim’s Projection: .500/.750/0/16.0/8.4/2.9/0.4/1.3/1.8 :30
↓ 52 Jabari Parker, MIL SF I think I had him too high, but I’m still reaching for the rookie – I think counting stats will be reliable and have a pretty consistent 34ish minute role.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.760/0.7/14.5/7.8/1.0/0.9/0.7/2.8 :30
53 Tim Duncan, SAS PF, C Despite losing minutes and a racking up a couple DNPs, finished top-40 last year.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.740/0/14.0/8.9/2.5/0.5/1.5/1.8 :28
54 Rajon Rondo, BOS PG A broken hand originally was set to cost him 10ish games, but looking like he’ll beat that timetable.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.630/0.7/12.0/5.3/9.6/1.5/0.1/3.2 :32
55 Dwight Howard, HOU PF, C FT shooting kills him in 9-cat, would be near elite in non-FT/non-TO leagues. Ultimate league settings-variable pick.
Slim’s Projection: .580/.550/0/18.0/11.9/1.6/0.9/1.9/2.9 :34
56 Trevor Ariza, HOU SG, SF Big breakout in 13-14 minimized with move to Houston, but 3s with low-TOs should yield another solid season.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.770/1.9/13.0/6.1/2.4/1.6/0.3/1.7 :34
↑ 57 Jose Calderon, NYK PG PG depth issues move the next two guys up a smidge. I’m buying a decent Ast resurgence in the triangle O, with similar 3s output and low TOs. Was a surprising value last year.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.840/2.3/11.0/2.4/6.1/0.9/0.1/1.6 :32
↑ 58 Jeff Teague, ATL PG Was so brutal in January last year, I’m worried by his streakiness.  But PG is running thin by this point and should be solid if Horford and Millsap stay healthy.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.840/1.0/17.0/2.7/6.6/1.3/0.3/2.8 :34
↑ 59 Kenneth Faried, DEN PF If he’s here this late, yeah I’m all-in now.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.700/0/19.0/10.4/1.6/1.1/0.9/2.3 :32
60 David Lee, GSW PF, C Boring Pts/Reb guy, solid %s and high-floor keep him top-60.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.780/0/17.0/8.9/2.4/0.7/0.3/2.1 :30
61 Klay Thompson, GSW SG, SF Poster boy of ThrAGNOF – don’t overpay for high-volume threes and low TOs while he does nothing else special.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.800/2.7/18.0/3.1/2.1/0.9/0.4/1.6 :36
62 Andrew Wiggins, MIN SF Uncertain role that seems likely to begin off the bench, upside of the second half keeps him a mid-round reach.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.770/0.9/13.5/4.7/1.2/1.2/0.9/2.4 :30
63 Ryan Anderson, NOP PF, C Out-of-position treys with virtually no TOs makes him a good pair with the bigger name PGs. While spinal injury last year is scary, I think he’ll bounce back and be healthy.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.850/2.4/15.0/6.2/1.0/0.4/0.3/0.9 :28
↓ 64 Deron Williams, BKN PG I just never seem to want him at all… Minutes will be down again and injuries always seem to derail him, but still has some upside. Worth the gamble on his ankles at this point.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.810/1.4/15.0/2.6/6.6/1.1/0.2/2.5 :32
65 Darren Collison, SAC PG The Kings gave Colly starting money and he’ll have the keys. He and Sessions can play together; should facilitate well with low TOs.  Extraordinarily under-ranked in several places.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.840/1.3/14.0/2.8/5.9/1.4/0.2/2.1 :32
66 Brandon Knight, MIL PG, SG Numbers were stellar once he was fully back from the early hammy issues, playmakers like Parker and Giannis along with Kidd at the helm give him further breakout upside.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.790/1.6/19.0/3.6/5.1/1.0/0.2/2.7 :34
67 Jimmy Butler, CHI SG, SF Fantastic preseason, and the thumb injury is OK so we can breath a sigh of relief. Some cold water though – shot under 40% last year and should see lower scoring with Rose back. Love his real-life game; 13-14 numbers slightly inflated by 38:39 MPG which is likely to go down a bit.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.770/1.3/14.0/5.2/2.7/2.0/0.6/1.5 :36
68 Luol Deng, MIA SF, PF I see a good resurgence in Miami, was having a really big year in Chicago before being awful post-trade. He fits better in South Beach.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.770/0.9/16.0/5.4/2.6/1.0/0.2/1.5 :34
69 Tony Parker, SAS PG DNPs, injuries, minutes restrictions, oh my! Wicked witch of the Alamo…
Slim’s Projection: .490/.810/0.4/16.0/2.3/5.8/0.6/0.1/2.2 :30
70 Dwyane Wade, MIA PG, SG DNPs, injuries, minutes restrictions, oh my! Wicked witch of having bad knees…
Slim’s Projection: .495/.740/0.3/20.0/4.5/4.8/1.4/0.5/2.9 :32
71 Robin Lopez, POR C Played 82 games past two years, and low TOs help the overall seasonal-ranking. I probably should be higher, but just can’t get over how not great at basketball he is…
Slim’s Projection: .540/.810/0/11.0/8.6/0.8/0.4/1.6/1.0 :32
72 Giannis Antetokounmpo, MIL SG, SF 1.7:1.7 AST:TO pre-ASB to 2.3:1.5 post showed huge improvement with the ball, going to get a starting role, offers upside in all 9 cats. A huge Razzball favorite.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.740/1.0/13.5/6.2/2.4/1.0/1.0/2.2 :32
73 Isaiah Thomas, PHO PG “I thought IT2 was going to be an interesting sleeper, but he’s getting ranked obscenely high.” That was when Yahoo had him 48.  Now rankers have him closer to 100 making him a value (99 in Y!).  Nice dimes/Pts/3s later in the draft.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.850/1.5/16.0/2.4/5.3/1.0/0.1/2.4 :28
74 Markieff Morris, PHO PF, C Per-36 26/11.3/3.4/1.6/1.4 with 0.8 treys a game last year, and looking at a role close to those minutes.  Hype the past few weeks has caught up to him, as opposed to when we had 50 spots ahead of several rankers/ADPs.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.790/0.8/17.0/6.8/2.2/1.0/0.9/2.2 :34
75 Terrence Jones, HOU SF, PF See second sentence of Morris, Markieff.
Slim’s Projection: .520/.630/0.6/14.0/7.6/1.3/0.9/1.4/1.1 :30
76 Jonas Valanciunas, TOR C Vastly improved post-ASB, especially with FG% from 50 to 58, and maybe had some sophomore-slump-itis or an injury most of last year. Upside to bounce back, but I can’t reach after being burnt last year.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.780/0/13.5/9.0/0.8/0.4/1.1/1.8 :30
↑ 77 Greg Monroe, DET PF, C Maintaining some ridiculously strong play through preseason. Is suspended the first two for wetting his pants (did he get a public urination charge?), but all we care about is fantasy stats and a golden shower. I mean golden trophy.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.680/0/16.5/9.6/2.4/1.2/0.7/1.8 :34
78 Kyle Korver, ATL SG, SF Not reaching for the ThrAGNOF, but another year of big minutes, big treys, and no TOs are in store. Plus he’s got sharp, oh so sharp talons.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.920/2.6/12.0/4.0/3.0/0.9/0.3/1.5 :34
79 Kevin Martin, MIN SG, SF No more Love makes K-Mart the main offensive threat and should hit a bajillion treys.  And don’t forget that purdy FT%.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.890/1.7/19.0/3.0/1.8/1.0/0.1/1.7 :32
80 Elfrid Payton, ORL PG Nothing’s changed with him being a horrible FT shooter for a PG and he’s going to turn the ball over way too much, but as I’ve found in drafts, PG dries up ridiculously fast. He’s the last option for assists upside.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.650/0.5/9.0/5.7/7.1/1.7/0.5/3.4 :32
81 Jeremy Lin, LAL PG, SG Low-upside, but Kobe to take the pressure off and a change of scenery could make him sneaky value. Don’t discount those steals!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.790/1.2/14.0/2.8/6.2/1.3/0.4/2.7 :30
82 George Hill, IND PG, SG Knee injury to cost him at least 3 weeks to start the year.  Letting someone else deal with that, I would move him way down into the 130-140 range.  Again low-upside, but could get back to 12-13 numbers with Paul George being out.  Had some nice lines in preseason.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.800/1.3/12.0/3.7/4.4/1.0/0.3/1.5 :32
83 Reggie Jackson, OKC PG, SG Sprained his ankle in practice and looks pretty serious.  Moving him down into the 100s.  Not a drastic move up with the Durant injury, but deserves to be right into the mix of this mini-PG eligible run.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.880/1.3/15.0/4.5/4.7/1.3/0.2/2.1 :32
84 Tyreke Evans, NOP SG, SF While his post-ASB play was astounding, a lot had to do with Jrue Holiday being hurt. Lingering knee issues led to a hamstring strain that kept him out of some preseason action. Back now, but still a little scurred.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.770/0.5/17.0/4.8/4.4/1.3/0.4/2.6 :30
85 Larry Sanders, MIL PF, C So hard to rank, so hard to like as a person, but upside is still there and his contract means he’s going to at least get a shot. Henson might start, however Sanders was still a monster in 12-13 at 27 MPG. I’m not reaching; that said, not explicitly passing either.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.560/0/9.0/8.1/1.1/0.9/2.3/1.2 :28
↑ 86 Tobias Harris, ORL SF, PF Having a phenomenal preseason – if not a little under the radar. Frye is hurt with the MCL, Magic are saying they have plans for him long-term, I think I was just a little clouded with just how bad last year started with his original rank.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.800/0.8/17.0/7.2/1.4/1.0/0.6/1.4 :30
87 Josh Smith, DET SF, PF This rank is hoping Stan Van Gundy gets through to him and Smith improves the terrible %s and TOs. If he becomes a sixth man, I think he can maintain big Stl/Blk numbers even in reduced minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.560/0.7/15.0/6.6/3.1/1.2/1.4/2.4 :32
↓ 88 Brook Lopez, BKN C Was 12th overall in per-game value in a short 13-14 sample. Key part is “short”. Ailing with a foot sprain right now, and these foot issues keep cutting into any optimism you could have.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.790/0/18.0/6.0/1.0/0.5/1.6/1.7 :30
89 Arron Afflalo, DEN SG, SF Never been a fan, but the Nuggets needed a more consistent wing last year and he’ll be playing with the best PG he’s ever been paired with.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.820/1.7/16.5/3.4/3.3/0.6/0.2/1.9 :34
↑ 90 Jordan Hill, LAL PF, C 13/8.9/0.8/0.5/1.1 in 32 starts last year, and still in under 25 minutes a game. Needs the role, but I find myself wanting him top 100 for the blocks and great boards. I think the role is going to be there.
Slim’s Projection: .530/.720/0/14.0/8.3/0.9/0.7/1.4/1.6 :28
91 Taj Gibson, CHI PF, C Durable, and even as a 6th man should get to 30 minutes especially behind brittle bigs. Underrated blocker.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.730/0/14.0/7.2/1.2/0.5/1.5/1.8 :30
92 Patrick Beverley, HOU PG, SG More minutes with Lin gone, his metric-friendly 3s/low TOs should carry over with good steals. Nothing too exciting, but value will add up.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.8/12.5/3.8/3.1/1.5/0.5/1.4 :34
93 Draymond Green, GSW SF #OccupyDraymondGreen! A monster last year in a low-minutes role, has a shot to start the 3 with Iggy off the bench. Multi-cat upside all over the place!  Like TJones and Kieff, our 50+ spots higher rank has gotten caught up with.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.740/0.9/10.0/6.2/2.7/1.7/0.9/1.4 :28
↓ 94 David West, IND PF Underrated last year with a 46th overall finish, but suffered a bad ankle sprain a few days ago putting some regular season time in jeopardy. He’s a big dude too. A little scary.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.790/0/15.5/7.2/2.8/0.8/0.8/1.9 :30
95 John Henson, MIL PF, C Even if Sanders starts, we can be productive. Poor man’s FT-punt big! Give him the minutes or give me death!
Slim’s Projection: .530/.530/0/12.0/7.9/1.7/ 0.7/1.7/1.7 :28
96 Lance Stephenson, CHA SG, SF TOs should go down, but so should the boards. Like PBev, nothing exciting.  But the sheer volume should accrue value.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.710/1.2/14.5/7.2/4.2/0.8/0.1/2.6 :36
97 Jameer Nelson, DAL PG Been saying all offseason he will end up the starter, and with Raymond Felton suffering a high ankle sprain that can linger (think Tobias Harris and Ersan Ilyasova last year), huge minutes should be there.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.830/2.1/11.0/3.2/5.8/0.7/0.1/2.1 :30
98 Bradley Beal, WAS SG Broken wrist will cost him at least the first few weeks of the season.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.800/1.9/18.0/3.8/3.5/1.0/0.2/1.8 :36
↑ 99 Spencer Hawes, LAC PF, C Looking really, really good lately in preseason. A revelation last year, should still get must-own minutes as Clips’ backup PF/C.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.770/1.4/11.5/7.4/2.3/0.4/1.0/1.7 :28
100 Zach Randolph, MEM PF, C Consistency! And Pts/Reb! And that’s it…
Slim’s Projection: .465/.750/0/16.0/9.4/2.3/0.7/0.3/2.1 :32
101 Andrew Bogut, GSW C Always ends up finishing higher that you’d expect in value, but always ends up as hurt as you’d expect…
Slim’s Projection: .570/.450/0/7.5/9.5/1.6/0.6/1.6/1.4 :26
102 Tyson Chandler, DAL C Return to Dallas will solidify a nice late Reb/Blk contribution.
Slim’s Projection: .600/.660/0/8.0/9.4/1.0/0.6/1.1/1.2 :30
103 J.J. Redick, LAC SG In an injury-riddled campaign, was actually 67th in per-game last year. A great fit in the Clips O for sneaky value. Plus, this is an appropriate time to start ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.900/2.2/15.0/2.3/2.4/0.7/0.1/1.2 :30
104 Joe Johnson, BKN SG, SF Had some big spikes when D-Will got hurt, but D-Will will have some injury stretches again…
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.8/14.5/3.3/2.9/0.6/0.1/1.6 :32
↑ 105 Jared Sullinger, BOS PF, C 13.9/9/1.8/0.5/0.8 with 0.8 treys in 44 starts last year, in 29:33 a game. Markieff Morris-lite.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.780/1.0/15.0/8.4/1.8/0.6/0.7/1.9 :30
↑ 106 Mason Plumlee, BKN PF, C Lopez already having foot issues, Prof. Plum is having some ridiculous preseason lines. Gonna play some way or another…
Slim’s Projection: .550/.650/0/13.5/8.3/1.3/1.0/1.2/2.1 :28
107 Gorgui Dieng, MIN C Pekovic is going to be limited to 26-27 minutes a game, which means gimme the Dieng train! If he’s routinely over 20 MPG, on top of the really realistic shot at numerous starts behind brittle Pek, he needs to be drafted aggressively. Last 18 games last year (15 starts) 12/11.3/1.5/1.1/1.5 shooting 53% FG 71% FT only 1.8 TO. Gimme the Dieng train!
Slim’s Projection: .510/.680/0/8.5/8.6/ 1.1/0.7/1.1/1.1 :24
108 Brandon Jennings, DET PG Horrific last year, and Stan Van emphasizing rotations and defense isn’t going to help. But still upside; he’s a talented player.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.780/1.8/15.0/2.9/7.4/1.3/0.1/2.6 :32
109 Rodney Stuckey, IND PG, SG George Hill isn’t a passer and Stuckey might be the main offensive catalyst. While on an offensively-challenged team, still think he can surprise.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.830/0.5/15.5/3.2/3.8/0.9/0.2/2.1 :32
↑ 110 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, DET SG With Meeks out, should be a pretty big-minute starter. Some might overreach – I love him obviously – but 3s and steals and very low TOs are about all you get. Which is great as a last pick or two sleeper.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.770/1.5/13.5/3.1/1.4/1.5/0.3/1.2 :30
111 DeMarre Carroll, ATL SF, PF Was a much better player after Horford injury so I won’t reach for value he gave in 13-14.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.770/1.3/11.0/5.6/1.8/1.4/0.3/1.1 :32
112 Paul Pierce, WAS SF, PF Age obviously up there, and the Wiz are loaded at SF. A healthy, big-minute season would make this way wrong, but I’m hedging against it.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.4/13.0/4.4/2.2/1.0/0.3/2.0 :28
113 Roy Hibbert, IND C I’m not touching Hibbert unless he falls way down and I need blocks.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.760/0/12.0/7.1/1.3/0.4/2.1/1.9 :28
114 Henry Sims, PHI C 13.1/7.7/2/0.9/0.4 with only 1.4 TO in final 19 games last year, and should start for most of the year until Embiid is 100% ready. Nothing has sounded too optimistic for Embiid and Sims is ready to provide solid big man stats, but he’s not a blocker. You have to figure that in with your roster comp.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.750/0/12.0/7.2/1.8/0.9/0.5/1.4 :28
115 Channing Frye, ORL PF, C MCL strain doesn’t sound too serious, but it doesn’t really bode well for his vibe. I’m all about a hippie approach to rankings this year. His aura is not cleansed.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/2.0/11.0/5.6/1.2/0.7/0.8/1.0 :30
116 Amir Johnson, TOR PF, C Lingering ankle issue and Raptors PF depth scare me.
Slim’s Projection: .560/.680/0.3/12.0/7.6/1.6/0.9/1.4/1.7 :30
117 Andre Iguodala, GSW SG, SF I think he’s going to lead the second unit, which might not be the worst thing.  Assists early until Livingston is full strength could come in bunches.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.660/0.9/10.0/4.4/3.9/1.3/0.3/1.5 :30
118 Nikola Pekovic, MIN C Minutes reduction is an absolute killer. Gave you his previous output through volume, and really only scores and rebounds. Yikes.
Slim’s Projection: .530/.740/0/14.0/7.7/0.8/0.5/0.5/1.4 :26
119 Danny Green, SAS SG, SF Took off after the ASB, shooting 6% better and upping treys from 1.5 to 2.6. Pop will make him frustrating, but will end up a value.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.800/2.1/10.0/3.3/1.6/0.9/0.8/1.2 :26
120 Danilo Gallinari, DEN SF Will be a forgotten name in many draft rooms, still offers a pretty good fantasy line if he’s healthy.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.800/1.6/13.5/4.7/2.2/0.8/0.4/1.4 :28
121 Jamal Crawford, LAC PG, SG Spiked in dimes while CP3 was hurt, minutes and points to regress and late nagging injuries last year scare me.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.870/2.0/16.0/1.9/2.7/0.8/0.1/1.8 :28
122 Timofey Mozgov, DEN C I thought about moving him down, but McGee still won’t be play big minutes even if 100% healthy and who knows how effective Hickson will be….
Slim’s Projection: .530/.750/0/11.0/8.2/1.0/0.5/1.5/1.8 :26
123 Jeff Green, BOS SG, SF One of the “busts of the year” for 13-14, really nothing indicates he’ll be any better in 14-15.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.800/1.4/15.0/4.5/1.5/0.6/0.6/1.9 :32
124 Anderson Varejao, CLE PF, C Big rebounds and not too much else in a sub-30 MPG role, does sneak in a steal a game for you from a big.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.670/0/8.0/9.2/2.0/1.0/0.6/1.1 :26
125 Nene Hilario, WAS PF, C Worth a reach if punting FT or TO, would be higher if he wasn’t so old and injury prone.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.660/0/13.0/5.8/2.6/1.1/0.8/1.9 :28
126 Enes Kanter, UTA C I maintain he’s terrible on defense and was much better against second units last year, but the move to PF with Favors to C fits his game so much better, and sheer volume of minutes will give him value.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.740/0/13.0/7.6/1.0/0.4/0.6/1.9 :28
127 Trey Burke, UTA PG Anemic steals, horrible FG%, but is the last big minute PG on the board if you need some upside.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.870/1.7/13.5/3.1/5.9/0.8/0.1/2.0 :32
128 Josh McRoberts, MIA PF, C Recovery from toe surgery sounds like it will keep him out of the opener, shouldn’t miss too much time, but I haven’t wanted to draft him until this late, at best.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.730/1.3/10.0/5.6/3.9/0.8/0.6/1.1 :30
129 Manu Ginobili, SAS SG, SF Finished 98th in under 23 minutes a game last year, should come close to repeat but game-to-game will be maddening to own.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.840/1.4/12.5/3.1/4.1/0.9/0.2/2.0 :24
130 J.R. Smith, NYK SG, SF Career-high assists last year with horrible Felton at PG, those will go down, treys to regress, never been a JR fan.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.720/2.5/15.5/3.8/2.6/1.0/0.2/1.5 :32
↑ 131 Otto Porter, WAS SF Washington SG dropping like flies, Rice out with an ankle, Beal for the first few weeks, and Otto P will get Pierce’s backup minutes. A rapid riser through preseason.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.750/0.9/10.0/3.6/0.5/0.5/0.3/1.0 :24
↓ 132 Corey Brewer, MIN SG, SF Yeah, I just had him too high… Awesome for steals, but Wiggins will cut into PT and you can wait to get him for those steals with your last pick most of the time in 12ers.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.710/0.6/11.5/2.6/1.6/1.7/0.4/1.3 :30
133 Ramon Sessions, SAC PG, SG The Kings are already flashing three-guard sets, and Collison and Sessions are going to play a lot of minutes together. Very solid value with your last pick or two for a few treys, assists, and nice FT shooting.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.810/0.5/12.0/2.8/4.2/0.6/0.1/1.8 :26
134 Omer Asik, NOP PF, C Beyond boards and a block a game, doesn’t do too much and won’t get huge minutes. FT drain a bugaboo too.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.600/0/9.0/10.2/0.5/0.5/1.2/1.8 :28
135 Gerald Green, PHO SG, SF I just don’t see the minutes, and pre-ranks of him top 100 are outrageous. Should hit some treys for you, but not a guy you’ll have on your roster all year.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.830/1.8/12.0/2.4/0.8/0.6/0.2/1.4 :22
136 Mario Chalmers, MIA PG He’s the only guy of the 3 Heat PG I have ranked – avoiding all 3 most likely.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.770/1.5/11.0/3.2/3.9/1.5/0.2/1.8 :28
137 Andrea Bargnani, NYK PF, C 13.7/5.3/1.1/0.3/1.3 with 0.7 treys and only 1.3 TOs in 23 starts last year, and a good fit for the Triangle offense. There’s upside there, even if it’s hard to believe…
Slim’s Projection: .430/.820/0.8/13.0/4.6/0.9/0.4/0.8/1.4 :28
138 Matt Barnes, LAC SF Like McBob, a low upside stat-stuffer late. Big 2nd half last year was aided by having no Redick on the court, who I think has a big year in 14-15.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.740/1.2/9.0/4.6/1.8/0.8/0.4/1.1 :26
139 Miles Plumlee, PHO PF, C Completely fell off when the calendar turned to 2014, but for a late source of blocks, Frye let go will open up more minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.580/0/9.0/8.0/ 0.6/0.6/1.2/1.4 :26
140 Terrence Ross, TOR SG, SF Young with upside like the ridiculous 51-pointer, but still raw and lacks in most cats right now. Worth the lottery pick at this point.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/2.3/13.0/3.4/1.2/1.0/0.4/1.4 :30
141 Mirza Teletovic, BKN SF, PF Kirilenko is already hurt with a back issue, Kevin Garnett is a walking back issue, Teletovic is primed for a breakout with a boatload of treys. ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .430/.710/2.3/12.0/4.3/1.1/0.5/0.4/1.0 :26
↑ 142 Marcus Morris, PHO PF Some minutes are opened up with Frye gone, starting the first 3 with Tucker suspended, will be a surprising bottom-end contributor with treys from a PF.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.750/1.5/11.0/4.3/1.3/1.0/0.3/1.3 :26
143 Eric Gordon, NOP SG Yet another offseason knee surgery, played in 115/246 games the past three years. Not touching him.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.800/1.4/15.0/2.2/3.1/1.0/0.2/1.9 :30
144 Brandan Wright, DAL PF, C Not too much depth behind Dirk and Tyson, and both are way up there in age giving Wright a shot at more than expected minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .600/.700/0/10.5/4.9/0.7/0.7/1.1/0.8 :22
145 K.J. McDaniels, PHI SF The upside for a starting role is still there, and not many wings give you blocks. Worth the last pick flier.  Two 4 block games this preseason.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.770/0.8/12.5/5.6/1.4/1.0/1.2/1.7 :30
↑ 146 JaVale McGee, DEN C Great to see him close to playing. A nice blocks gamble.
Slim’s Projection: .530/.590/0/10.0/6.8/0.5/0.5/1.7/1.5 :24
147 Rudy Gobert, UTA C Playing like a monster in preseason. And there’s really no depth behind Kanter and Favors. Showing he doesn’t need a ton of minutes to be useful. FT concerns are definitely still there though…
Slim’s Projection: .560/.580/0/5.0/7.2/0.3/0.3/1.5/1.3 :20
148 Alec Burks, UTA PG, SG Not big on treys, pretty bad TO, and might lose PT to groom Exum late in the year…
Slim’s Projection: .460/.760/0.8/16.5/3.8/3.0/1.1/0.3/2.1 :32
↑ 149 Steven Adams, OKC C Showing some huge promise in preseason. Love him as a final pick – minutes and usage still a concern.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.620/0/7.0/7.1/ 0.8/0.7/1.0/1.3 :24
150 Avery Bradley, BOS PG, SG Brings you some scoring and out-of-position boards, but not too much upside.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.790/1.6/15.5/3.7/1.6/1.1/0.1/1.8 :32
151 Ersan Ilyasova, MIL SF, PF Looked downright awful last year, but was top 50 in 12-13 and came into last year with a bum ankle. Won’t be me seeing if he can bounce back though…
Slim’s Projection: .430/.820/0.5/11.5/6.1/1.1/0.7/0.2/1.0 :24
↑ 152 Kelly Olynyk, BOS C I plain and simple had him too low, but still probably not getting him anywhere. A decent NBA player, but not a good starter and will be stuck in a minutes rut at times in Stevens’ system, methinks.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.810/0.8/12.0/7.1/2.7/0.5/0.5/1.9 :28
153 D.J. Augustin, DET PG There’s been nothing but encouragement for D.J., and nothing optimistic about Jennings. A full split could happen quickly, if not a full changing of the guard. No pun intended!
Slim’s Projection: .415/.880/1.3/10.5/1.7/3.9/0.7/0.1/1.6 :24
154 C.J. Miles, IND SG, SF Deep source of treys and steals, especially if he wins the starting 3 role over Solomon Hill.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.810/1.5/12.5/2.7/1.9/1.0/0.3/1.2 :28
155 Wilson Chandler, DEN SG, SF Wasted a big opportunity last year, Gallinari to take a ton of minutes away.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.760/1.6/12.5/4.6/1.7/0.7/0.6/1.2 :28
156 Dion Waiters, CLE SG Super-duper ThrAGNOF with lower offensive volume with LeBron in town. Should find himself a lot of wide open treys though…
Slim’s Projection: .430/.720/1.5/13.5/2.6/2.8/0.9/0.2/1.9 :28
157 Jarrett Jack, BKN PG, SG Will fill in admirably in the Shaun Livingston role, doing nothing exceptional but being useful.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.840/0.9/11.5/3.1/4.3/0.7/0.2/1.8 :30
↓ 158 P.J. Tucker, PHO SG, SF I just don’t see myself getting him, losing the first 3 games to suspension – Marcus Morris who I think is pretty good and could really eat into Tucker’s minutes when he’s back.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.770/0.8/9.0/6.4/1.6/1.2/0.3/1.2 :28
159 Vince Carter, MEM SG, SF Three year deal shows commitment, easily could start and play 30 minutes at the 3.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.820/1.7/11.0/3.3/2.4/0.7/0.4/1.3 :24
160 Tim Hardaway Jr., NYK SG One of the many reasons you ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .420/.820/2.0/13.0/1.7/0.9/0.7/0.1/0.7 :28
161 Alex Len, PHO C With no one else behind Miles Plumlee, who really fell off last year, the former #5 pick could be a really interesting off-the-radar surprise. I still just have a gut feeling on this one.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.660/0/5.5/5.1/ 0.6/0.2/0.8/1.2 :18
162 Wes Johnson, LAL SG, SF Still a little bit of a minutes crunch, and he’s not going to touch the ball much on O, but his value is in Stls/Blks.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.780/1.1/8.5/4.1/1.4/0.9/0.8/1.0 :26
163 Chris Andersen, MIA PF, C The late availability of blocks with a pretty low-risk investment is worth a rank here, especially for deeper-leaguers needing da swats.
Slim’s Projection: .560/.680/0/7.0/6.6/0.2/0.5/1.7/0.9 :22
164 Tony Wroten, PHI PG Looking more and more like he’s coming off the bench, as I was hoping he got a starting 2 role. He’s a big guy who could handle that position, but an off-the-bench guy with horrible FT numbers… Eh… Does get a mini-boost if MCW misses a lot of time, but I’m still optimistic MCW can make it on the court pretty soon.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.660/0.7/13.5/3.4/3.2/1.1/0.2/2.8 :26
165 Doug McDermott, CHI SF Told he’ll need to jack up treys and could start at the 3. Not going to do much besides 3s/Pts though…
Slim’s Projection: .430/.860/1.6/ 9.5/3.2/1.3/0.2/0.1/1.4 :20
166 James Ennis, MIA SF Playing fantastic this preaseson, playing aggressive getting FT opportunities, hitting treys, his explosiveness will mean a ton to the Heat 2nd unit. And if injuries arise (who are we kidding? With Wade, it’s WHEN injuries arise!), look out.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.770/1.0/7.0/3.2/0.9/0.7/0.5/1.1 :20
167 Marvin Williams, CHA SF, PF Off his best per-36 season, by far his best perimeter output, and should get big minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.780/1.2/8.5/4.7/1.1/0.7/0.4/0.8 :28
168 C.J. McCollum, POR PG, SG Really if he was anywhere else he could be a major sleeper, still should see productive minutes as main backup G.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.810/1.6/13.5/3.6/2.7/1.2/0.2/1.9 :26
↓ 169 Nik Stauskas, SAC SG While I still see him taking a lot of McLemore’s minutes and being a surprise source of assists with low TOs (along with the given treys and good %s), Sessions is going to play a ton of minutes with Colly in that backcourt.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.830/1.6/11.0/2.2/2.3/0.4/0.1/1.0 :26
170 Boris Diaw, SAS PF, C Late source of out-of-position assists, giving you 2.8 a game last year from a center.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.720/0.5/8.5/4.1/2.8/0.6/0.4/1.5 :24
↓ 171 Marcus Smart, BOS PG Rondo is ahead of schedule and Smart has been pretty awful in preseason. Some slight upside he can start in the second half if Rondo is moved, or play some dual-G minutes with him, albeit unlikely.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.760/1.1/11.0/4.1/3.2/1.2/0.3/1.8 :26
172 James Johnson, TOR SF, PF Listed as a SF reserve could make him really interesting since Terrence Ross is a question mark at best as a starter, per-36s last year were redonk.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.730/0.3/7.5/4.2/1.8/0.9/1.0/1.3 :20
↑ 173 Austin Rivers, NOP PG, SG I mentioned him late last year as a guy to target this year, but the Pelicans came out and said Russ Smith had won a backup PG role. LIARS! Rivers playing a lot of preseason minutes as the combo backup G.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.710/0.5/7.5/2.0/2.4/0.7/0.2/1.4 :22
174 Rodney Hood, UTA SF Sneaky ThrAGNOF upside, the Jazz have a serious lack of other perimeter shooters.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.810/1.2/7.5/3.0/1.2/0.5/0.1/0.9 :20
175 Khris Middleton, MIL SF, PF Finished 75th last year in total value, was durable for 82 games, is versatile enough to play backup to the 2, 3 and 4.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.830/0.7/8.0/2.9/1.3/0.9/0.2/0.9 :24
176 Samuel Dalembert, NYK C I think Jason Smith is going to steal more minutes than you’d expect, still some late blocks upside.
Slim’s Projection: .560/.750/0/9.0/7.9/0.7/0.6/1.3/1.3 :24
177 Carlos Boozer, LAL PF, C Even though he only scores and boards, starting minutes should be there.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.730/0/14.0/8.5/1.7/0.7/0.3/2.1 :28
↑ 178 Kyle O’Quinn, ORL PF, C Our favorite transplanted Irishman, while I love watching him beard it out in real life, the minutes are still a concern. But he’s playing fantastic this preseason following up a 9/7/1.6/0.8/1.8 second half last year.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.720/0.3/10.0/7.2/1.5/0.6/1.4/1.6 :24
179 Marco Belinelli, SAS SG, SF A roster filler with no upside, I think I had him too high considering he does nothing very well. Besides not turn the ball over. And, well, get the Spurs announcers all amped up with Italian cliches…
Slim’s Projection: .440/.830/1.4/10.5/2.7/2.2/0.6/0.1/1.1 :24
180 Kris Humphries, WAS PF, C Backup PF/C minutes galore, with both guys ahead of him old and injury-prone. Solid when given run last year.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.800/0/10.0/6.6/1.0/0.5/1.0/1.0 :24
181 Randy Foye, DEN PG, SG Had a huge year last year, but a greatly reduced role behind Lawson and Afflalo in 14-15.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.850/1.3/10.0/2.1/2.5/0.6/0.2/1.2 :22
↓ 182 Kendall Marshall, MIL PG Eh, I think I looked at him with too much D’Antoni’s-crappy-team/opportunity-colored glasses. This still has him higher than most since assists come at such a premium this year.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.680/0.9/7.5/2.1/6.4/0.7/0.1/2.0 :24
183 Evan Turner, BOS SG, SF In a minutes crunch on a crowded rotations-based team, but could do something useful. Not buying any preseason action.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.760/0.5/10.0/3.8/3.2/0.6/0.2/1.8 :26
184 Bojan Bogdanovic, BKN SG Looks like he’s won himself a starting job, and he’s good for two things. Points and threes. ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.810/1.4/11.0/1.8/1.9/0.5/0.3/1.6 :28
↑ 185 Jeremy Lamb, OKC SG, SF His stats will be top heavy during this early run without KD, but as a late pick I really like him even in 12ers. Might catch lamb in a bottle. I mean lightning.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.780/1.3/12.0/3.4/2.1/0.9/0.5/1.0 :26
186 Cory Joseph, SAS PG A sleeper pick due to lack of roster depth, Patty Mills is coming off rotator cuff surgery and Tony Parker is always hurt. Could leave Joseph with a lot more minutes than people expect.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.820/0.4/8.5/2.7/2.9/1.0/0.3/1.1 :20
187 Dante Exum, UTA PG Knew he would fall mightily after publishing the ranks the first time through, just too raw for the NBA to trust for anything right now. Second half chance for minutes keeps him top 200.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.720/0.6/8.5/2.4/2.9/0.8/0.1/1.7 :24
188 Luis Scola, IND PF, C Hibbert could continue to be awful, and Scola is backing up West who has a bum ankle.  There’s just no depth on that front line.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.750/0/8.0/5.2/1.2/0.3/0.2/1.4 :20
189 Ryan Kelly, LAL PF Even though there’s a ton of depth at PF on the Lakers, he’s the only one that can stretch the floor.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.820/0.7/7.5/3.4/1.5/0.5/0.6/0.8 :18
190 Tony Allen, MEM SG, SF A late source of steals and that’s about it, a no-upside deep league play.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.720/0.2/9.5/3.9/1.6/1.4/0.4/1.3 :26
191 Jason Smith, NYK PF, C Late-round flyer for some boards and a block, should see some decent minutes behind Dalembert.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.770/0/8.0/4.8/0.6/0.3/0.9/0.9 :20
192 Iman Shumpert, NYK SG, SF Offers you a steal and a trey, and that’s about it. Tough competition for minutes against emerging Timmay J.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.760/1.1/9.0/3.8/2.3/1.4/0.2/1.1 :28
193 Mike Dunleavy, CHI SG, SF McDermott (maybe) stealing the starting role hurts, as does how good I think Snell is going to be down the road. A role player with no upside.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.4/10.5/4.1/2.0/0.7/0.4/1.2 :28
194 Tiago Splitter, SAS C No upside, but hits all cats for a roster-filler in deep leagues.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.710/0/9.0/6.2/1.5/0.6/0.6/1.2 :22
195 Hollis Thompson, PHI SF, PF Treys and steals upside if he indeed starts, right now is lightly penciled in.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.740/1.3/8.0/3.6/1.3/0.9/0.2/1.1 :28
196 Mike Scott, ATL PF Can back up the 3 and 4, might take some injuries to really hit on upside, but deep ball threat should keep him usable in deep leagues all year.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.780/1.0/11.0/3.8/1.1/0.5/0.1/1.2 :22
197 Jeff Adrien, HOU SF, PF A rather bizarre waiving by the Rockets.  Contract and role seemed pretty assuring to produce some value.  Post-ASB was 10.5/7.6/1.1/0.6/0.8 in only 24:25 MPG last year – with little 3/4 depth in Houston, could play those minutes again in 14-15.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.660/0/9.5/7.1/ 0.8/0.6/0.7/1.1 :22
198 Shaun Livingston, GSW PG, SG The toe surgery continues to linger, and I’m getting increasingly worried for the vet.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.820/0/7.5/2.6/3.1/0.8/0.3/1.2 :20
↑ 199 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, CHA  SF He’s obviously a horrible scorer, but the counting stats in the minutes he should play make him barely sneak in at the least minute.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.700/0/8.0/5.9/1.6/1.0/0.8/1.1 :26
200 Donatas Motiejunas, HOU SF, PF Even though he’s not listed as a C on Yahoo, is the only C behind Dwight and could be a sneaky value for out-of-position treys.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.620/0.5/8.0/4.9/0.8/0.5/0.4/1.2 :20


Dropped Out: Jodie Meeks, Nick Young, Russ Smith, Tony Snell

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  1. Bryce Krispie Treats says:
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    We get to keep two players for two years (Yahoo, Auction). I kept Lillard for 17 and George for 33. After that gruesome injury, I obviously wont be keeping him next year.

    My other options (No percentages league) –
    Dwight Howard – 25
    Paul Millsap – 21

    Who would you take? I love me some Millsap, but with Horford back, I dont see him sustaining what he did last year.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Bryce Krispie Treats: Ugh, yeah rough one for George… I think since no percentages, I indeed am keeping Dwight as well. Without that FT% drain, Dwight is a near-elite player, even though I love me some Millsap even with Horford back :) Millsap will still be a second rounder for me, but yeah, Dwight should kill for ya

      • Bryce Krispie Treats says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        That was my thought as well. I just hope he can keep healthy during the playoff stretch.

        Thoughts on Thad Young if he goes to the wolves? Im a wolves fan unfortunately, but what do you think about fantasy and real life? Im a huge fan of him coming up north! If everything goes down as planned, I dont know how we could have gotten anything better for Love.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Bryce Krispie Treats: Me too, hopefully he can have a healthy offseason and be good to go.

          Thad would be great on the Wolves. Rubio is a better facilitator than MCW and I think he could be about what he was on the Sixers. Yeah – Thad AND Wiggins?! Huge haul for a guy not staying anyway, good core building. I really like Dieng too, so you have a little depth too. I’ve always liked Rubio, so I think the Wolves will be one of my favorite teams to watch in 14-15.

  2. Slim

    Slim says:
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    Alright I’ve got a couple, 1st up I’m taking James Harden over Chris Paul.

    Everything I could say about Harden you covered in the top 10 post so that parts done. Chris Paul is getting a little long in tooth for me. I still think he’s going to have a great year and all, I like Paul at #6, but between the 2 I’m taking Harden. I think injury wise Harden is a safer play and at this point in their respective careers I think my bearded brethren has a better chance of outperforming last years numbers. Also, you mentioned Lin and while Ariza should be just fine replacing Parsons defensively, offensively he doesn’t and that should put even more pressure on Harden. I think Harden could challenge Durant in a stat I couldn’t possibly explain but seems to matter, usage or USG%.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Slim: Yeah I’m not well versed on USG%, it’s in the basketball reference glossary, but it seems like a meh advanced stat to me: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

      I could see Harden indeed pushing Durant for it though, especially with Westbrook playing a full heatlhy season.

      As I mentioned in the top 10, Harden was really close to 5 as well, just Paul’s category killing assists swung me. Plus leading the league in steals! You love steals! Per game, Paul was a little better and not much has changed there basketball wise, only owner wise. Very very very very close though for those 2.

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: I actually have a counter for that… wait for it… Harden’s 6+ assists are out of position assists (Ideally I would start him at SF on my fantasy team). So if I start the same amount of PGs as my opponent I would have an advantage. I think it’s enough to negate Paul’s extra assists assuming equal numbers of PGs and their starting SF is your normal 2ish assists guy.

        I know the steals and yeah I love steals but for me that’s a young mans category. I feel like as guys get older that category tends to come down. Just in general… It wouldn’t shock me if they actually finished pretty close in the category.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: That’s a really good point… Depends on your matchup week-to-week, but you’re starting to swoon me.

          Wouldn’t shock me if the steals were close either, but I think Paul can still lead the league again.

          • Slim

            Slim says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Yeah I’m with you. The difference is razor thin.

  3. Slim

    Slim says:
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    Next up… I’m taking Wall and Westbrook over Love. Ibaka too?

    Elite PGs are irreplaceable and unless I’m willing to reach for one early in the 2nd round I think I would find it difficult to achieve my goal of 2 PGs in the 1st 4 rounds (3 in the 1st 6 rounds) unless I take Wall/Westy in the 1st. If we’re right about Love losing some points and boards then combined with his already low end steals and blocks his stats shouldn’t be difficult to find a round or 2 later. I think my projections have him in the same tier as like an Aldridge or Jefferson. Somewhere in the early-to-mid 2nd round. #12 feels about right to me. Someone to look for around the turn in a 12er when the top 4 PGs are off the board. I’m getting a little ahead of myself but I think I would take Melo and Cousins over Love too, and Cousins over Melo if you were wondering.

    Wall/Westy vs Ibaka is a really tough one but ultimately the blocks win out for me too. I would be pretty stoked to get any of these three with my 1st round pick.

    My favorite late pick combo would be Wall or Westy with Ibaka or Cousins but that might be asking a little too much. Pairing one of those PGs with either Millsap, Horford, Jefferson, or Aldridge is probably the way to go and I think I like them in that order. Aldridge last due to already poor FG% from the PG. Paired with Melo is just fine too but I don’t think Melo will make it out of the 1st round.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Well comparing Love to Al and Jeff, I think Love’s 2+ treys a game put him slightly over those guys. Sure you lose a shade of a block too… But I think he can still be a first rounder.

      Hmmm cousins over Melo??? I have then Melo 11 Cuz 12. So very close there too.

      Both of those combos in a swing would be deadly. Melo’s ADP will probably be 7 or 8, I’m with ya there…

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: You kinda ducked that one. So Love is higher than the 2nd round group of bigs. OK I agree, he at least leads the pack. But what about Love v Wall/Westy? If given that choice are you taking Love? I think Love screams Chris Bosh type of decline. That risk feels too great to me. Wall and Westy are nice and safe, well as safe as fantasy can be. Overall though I think the 1st round feels pretty safe (besides Love).

        I’ll wait for my Cousins over Melo argument till the next list comes out. My Cousins projection looks kind of silly so I guess that means I’m buying Cousins in the top 10.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: I’m not a duck, you’re a duck!

          Yeah I’d take Love and build up two PGs at pick 3/4 wrap around or pair him with Wall/Westbrook if one isn’t picked. I think I could still get PG depth.

          Bosh’s rebounds were in decline a while, topping out at 10.8 to Love’s 14 or some odd. Bosh has never made more than a 3 a game. And Love is younger in the pairing, I think he’ll be a lot better.

          Wow, yeah I could see Cuz going top 10 though, I mean at 12, not like I’m that different with him. Excited to see the projections when they’re out!

          • Slim

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            @JB Gilpin: By our rankings Love plus one of those 2 PGs won’t be possible in a 12er. Waiting for 2 late 3rd and early 4th PGs is interesting. The big run of PGs should be over in the early 30’s, but I imagine a few would still be around. So assuming that’s the plan, who do you like as a 2nd round pick to pair Love with plus round 3 and 4 PGs? You can’t pick anyone in your top 12 ranks, them be the rules.

            I’m not saying he’s going to be Bosh. I still have him in the 1st round compared to Bosh who has been more 3rd/4th round since he left Toronto. But I think the decline in stats should be measurably comparable.

            As we have theses conversations here’s what I’ve got so far as a working top 12… (RCL style) Durant, Brow, Curry, LeBron, Harden, Paul, Wall, Westy, Ibaka, Cousins, Melo, Love. This of course is without considering fantasy playoff schedule. You know how I feel about the importance of playoff schedules. We’ll get to that eventually.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Slim: Damn, so no Love/Cousins? Maybe I’ll rank him 13 then! That would be a nasty start. Well I would follow my ranks (spoiler alert) and reach for Millsap. Love/Millsap to start… I kinda like that too.

              Ohhhhh I’m pumped for the playoff schedule post. I’m gonna make that a category and something linked in the menu, I’ll be referencing that all year.

              • Slim

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                @JB Gilpin: I’m on board Millsap at 13. So sure Love/Millsap is a solid start but I’d rather go Cousins/Millsap. I’ve been trying to think who to draft if punting FT% and I’m starting to think Cousins/Millsap 1/2 could be the way to go for it. Then 3/4 going with either Drummond or Jordan, which ever is available and grabbing Howard a few rounds later. The other 3/4 has to be a PG but and I think the top assist man would be ideal. Rondo, Rubio type. Steals are gonna be big time with this build.

                1. Cousins
                2. Millsap
                3. (Rondo or Rubio)
                4. (Drummond or Jordan)
                5/6. PG and Howard.
                7 and on. 2 more PGS (I know you like Calderon and he should work here too.) Maybe Collison will still be around but I doubt it. 1 more big (lots of interesting options late). Gonna need some 3s from wings. Easy enough.

                Mikey likes it! Turnovers are a little high but we can work with that.

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Slim: Yeah that would be a nasty team. Definitely fits the ThrAGNOF mold! I would love getting Rondo there at 3. I think he’s undervalued. I still like Love over Cuz and would balance some treys, but they’re not that important anyway :)

                  • Slim

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                    @JB Gilpin: It’s going to be difficult for me to go 2 non-PGs late in the 1st/ early in the 2nd. Waiting till the mid-30s for my 1st PG takes some cajones I’m not so sure I have. Then again from my rankings I might not have a choice. There are several PGs i’m very interested to see what their ADPs turn out to be. Collison, Jrue, Rondo, Elfrid (dont think I’ve forgotten), Lin, Calderon, and Beverley of course! are a few off the top of my head.

                    • JB Gilpin

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                      @Slim: Yeah I think all those guys you list except Lin/Elfird/Beverley I’ll have ranked above their ADPs and if I got 3 of em, I’d be fine at point.

        • Count Macula says:
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          @Slim:

          The difference is that Bosh was never ranked top 10 overall at any point, so for him to slide to the 40’s wasn’t actually that terrible. Also interesting to point out that he didn’t have a 3pt shot at first, so that hurt him too. It’s worth mentioning that since he developed the 3pt shot he’s been ranked in the top 20s. I think Love’s 3ptm and possible FG% will jump a bit so that will help ameliorate the decline in pts/reb that we’re assuming he’ll see.

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @Count Macula: I don’t know if that possible % jump will completely cover the decline, but it will help mask it so I’m semi-agreeing. Huzzah for semi-agreement!

    • Jim says:
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      Slim–I like your thought of 3 PG in the first 6 rounds. I might have to try it. Have you thought about Calderon late mid-rounds and possibly Collison even later? I think those are going to be 2 lower round PGs that could return top 50-60 value (Yahoo). I’ve seen some rankings that have Calderon in the 90’s–a steal IMO. I’ve been tossing around the idea of getting 2 top PGs in the first 5 rounds, then one of those 2 guys late, then spending an early round pick on a top SG like Monta, Kobe or Batum (who will get you plus dimes out of the SG spot). I just can’t decide whether to hold on a SG (assuming I don’t get one in the first round) or draft one early. I’ve been leaning towards taking a top SG early (round 3)–and maybe making sure I get Calderon in round 7, or either Collison or Beverley in round 8-10. Where do you see yourself taking a SG?

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Jim: Haha well I’ll let Slim answer too, but Collison and Calderon we’ve talked about a ton – both guys we really like. Totally agree Calderon there would be a steal, he’ll be mid 60s most likely for me with Collison a couple spots later. Beverley is someone I’m not drafting tho.

        • Jim says:
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          Oh yeah! I had typed that up a couple days ago and never posted it! Then I see the flood of Calderon/Collison talk. Can I try to sell you on my thoughts on Beverely?! I think he was absolutely overrated last year–I got torched by rolling the dice with him on multiple occasions–in fact, I dropped IT3 for him before the season started when I found out PB was starting and IT3 was the backup PG in SAC. By Christmas, I vowed to never say the name Patrick Beverely again. BUT…he’s another year more comfortable in the offense, motivated by being cut by Team USA, Lin is out of the picture and he might get a few of Parsons’ shots–and he’s a PG who qualifies for SG I believe. He also shot 44% after the break. If he could find a way to up his assists by even 1.5 a game, you’d have 2012-13 George Hill with twice the steals. Hill was top 50 that year I think?? Am I selling you!?

          Who’s your top SG target, JB? Are you reaching for Kobe–because I’m going to have a tough time not doing that–maybe it’s just because I’m old school. If I’m crazy, call me on it. I just think Kobe is one of those warrior-minded guys who has it in his head to prove the doubters wrong. 20-5-5 is too good to not take a chance on in round 3 or 4. The consequence would be missing out on the Mass PG Exodus in the 3rd round. That’s a sizable risk!

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Jim: Ah gotcha! They’re definitely two buzzy guys for us here!

            Haha, damn that sucks you missed on IT2! Although it def was not a shocking move at that time. Unfortunately, I don’t see the scoring or dimes really coming up, even with Lin gone. I think Harden is going to be an absolute ball hog. Maybe marginally in both, but not seeing 4 dimes. I have a feeling I’ll be lower on PBev than most, which is ironic after fighting for him so much last year…

            I’ve got Kobe mid-40s. I totally agree with you he has a big season to prove it. But age, injury issues, I couldn’t quite get him that high. I think his ADP will be all over the place with some “newbie” skew who get him too early, but I bet mid-40s he falls to me in a lot of drafts. Other SG targets – Gordon Hayward I still like and Slim does too, I like Wesley Matthews who is underrated, DeRozan I’m still a fan of, and think Lance Stephenson could be pretty good. Oh, Rodney Stuckey should be really interesting late.

      • Slim

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        @Jim: Yeah we’ve gone back and forth a couple of times with Calderon. 90’s is where I would probably be looking to take him (8th round in a 12er just to make sure) but I do agree with everyone that he’s one of the top PGs after round 5. I like Collison a little more due to the steals and I might be on an island here but I like him to actually top Calderon in assists, or at least tie him. I’ve got Collison probably a round earlier than Calderon, late 70’s maybe.

        Ideally I would use a PG at SG. Curry, Dragic, Bledsoe, Kyrie will take care of it early and we can still look for PGs later. JB and I both have Kobe and Monte somewhere in the 4th. I assume that means I won’t get Kobe cause someone will probably take him much earlier. I’m not projecting any more than 4th round value I think and there’s no shortage of risk. Monte is nice and safe. I don’t mind him in the 4th at all. Comparatively speaking though I would rather have Gordon Hayward at least a round later or maybe even another of my favorites Oladipo. 2 guys JB and I have in the 40’s that I think might be available into the 60’s. Batum is OK, leaving a fair amount of points on the table. Me and JB both have him after the main PG run which we both don’t want to miss. I would be surprised if Batum makes it on my team.

        Beverley is one of my favorite players but he’s earned the moniker ‘better real life player than fantasy asset’. I can’t put him in the top 100 but I don’t think anyone else will either. I’m looking at maybe 125ish. Definitely in the top 150 but I’m with JB, I have a tough time seeing too much improvement offensively. Some for sure, especially if Harden constantly gets doubled (he should be). But still I see him more as a glue guy for a fantasy team lacking in steals or short on PGs.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: YOU’RE ALL ALONE ON AN ISLAND! Haha just kidding, I think dimes will be close too, I just like Calderon’s fluke/BS ones to put him over the edge. I think late 60s-early 70s I’ll have both.

          Agree on everything SG. You like Hayward a little more than I do, I think Wesley Matthews is a really safe, underrated guy for the microscopic TOs.

          Def on PBev – great in real life, not a guy I want in fantasy. He’ll chip in steals and threes, but so little and inconsistent it’ll be tough to consistently roster him even in 12ers.

  4. Frank says:
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    Hi Guys,
    Love the discussion. In an 8 CAT league, do you weight the CATs in helping you decide two players who play different positions and thus provide different CATS? If so, could you please prioritize the 8 CATS from 1-8 and explain the rationale for your order? Thanks.

    Oh, and finding talk about fantasy hoops in AUGUST makes me feel like a li’l kitten with a new bag of catnip.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Frank: Thanks for dropping by!

      So I don’t really have a good 100% answer for you for all 8 cats. But I will say, in drafts, 3-pointers (assuming 8-cat is taking out TO) is by far the least important cat I pay attention to. Usually whomever I get will have enough treys, then I can stream threes week-to-week (also assuming H2H league – but even in roto you can stream a spot). There’s just so many three point specialists on the wire that you can pickup on light-schedule days. For example, I recommended C.J. Miles as a pickup for one game and he hit like 8 threes I think it was. Not to gloat! But that’s why I termed the word ThrAGNOF! Threes ain’t got no face.

      Second lowest is probably rebounds, and tied for third points/FG%. But then all the other cats start having about equal importance – FT% (one bad apple screws you), AST, STL, BLK.

      Glad we’re jumping the gun, we’re pumped here too man!

    • Slim

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      @Frank: There’s 2 categories I favor over all others… Assists and Blocks. The reasoning is that they tend to be the 2 hardest to find on waivers, and I think it isn’t close. Next up is Steals and FG%. High end steals are usually only a handful of guys so you tend to need one or two of them to have an advantage week to week. FG% is also tough to find on waivers. Mostly because waiver pickups don’t tend to be high volume shooters which is what you need to really improve FG%. Usually improving FG% is done with a trade. Next up for me is boards. Not too difficult to find but waiver guys that help a lot don’t tend to do much else (Reggie Evans). The last 3 categories are FT%, Points, and 3PTM. I consider all 3 to be the ThraGNoF categories. 3pt specialists tend to score decent points and tend to be good FT shooters, and since there tends to be plenty of these types I put less emphasis on those categories (Mmm… Timmy Hardaway Jr).

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        @Slim:
        Thanks for the insight. Our league is 8 CAT roto and last season I decided to punt FT% and picked up both D12 and DeAndre Jordan.(Thinking my last place in FT% would be balanced with a good finish in FG%, REBs & BLKs). Unfortunately P.George’s late season swoon and a silly trade for Kemba W. cost me a couple of places in FG% and I ended in 2d place. The question is, does punting a CAT in roto ever make sense or is it a fool’s errand to think the pain you get in the one CAT can be made up by strengthening performance in the other seven CATS?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Frank: It’s definitely not a fool’s errand, but I’m never a punter. And one thing that doesn’t help, is that in 8-cat, it’s even fewer categories to make it up. In say a 12 or 14 CAT, yeah I’ll punt a CAT because you don’t feel it as hard. At least with D12 or DJ, you’re gonna be low either way so might as well go all in.

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        @Slim: like your comment.
        I’m on board with that + the “little” reach for Wall/Westbrook in the 1st round as a consequence, so as to be sure to get an elite PG, if you can’t secure a top6pick.

        I would disagree slightly on the importance of the PTS category. I had bad experience in the past, when I drafted BPA (overall value BBM) in the first 3rounds, and I did not secure enough points… then I struggle (especially in roto) the rest of the season… you can find some Pts & 3s & FTs on the waiver, but hard to fight still with the leaders and no consistency usually on those WW pick ups.

        • Slim

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          @Pada: In roto every category gets much closer together for importance. I definitely tend to focus on H2H, I just find it more enjoyable to play, especially in March/April. So yeah, for Roto I’d rank em a little different and closer together.

          Assists/Blocks
          Steals
          FG%/Points
          FT%/Boards
          3s

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            @Slim: Do you have any roto rankings listed anywhere?

            • Slim

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              @kenny kelly: Nah I tend to focus far more on H2H for draft prep. I’m not sure I would rank things too differently though. During the draft I would just try to focus more on keeping each category as even as I could.

              The biggest difference I think that would make a guy go up or down in ranking would be the 2 percents. In H2H those categories have far more volatility, tougher to predict, so I put less importance on them. Over the course of the entire year in roto they become easier to predict and I’m pretty sure far more difficult to make up ground in.

  5. Pada says:
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    Hi, next question would be related to punting:

    1. where/when do you consider going for a FT% punt in both ROTO & H2H in competitive leagues? I generally see the 1st team starting to punt in end round 1 in H2H…. and round 3 in ROTO…your call?
    => this year, in H2H I may be tempted to take Drummond maybe at the turn with a Ibaka pairing or redundant? I guess I would still start a team with the top6 (+Wall+Westy+Carmelo) and not sure about Cousins, Ibaka, Love… you?

    2. would you target Dummond as n°1 for FT% punt or the lack of points would still lead you to Howard?

    thanks

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Pada: In H2H I have a lot less of an issue with bad FT% since it only takes one category most of the time. In Roto, it sinks you so much harder. You only are playing one team in the other cats vs. playing the field in the other cats. I obviously still love the Ibaka, but a reach for Drummond I’m not too against. I have him mid-30s though – but that’s well above DeAnre and Dwight. Yeah I’d target Drummond first, he takes much fewer FTs – while Dwight takes such a high volume of FTs that it hurts you that much more.

      Any time!

    • Slim

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      @Pada: H2H. I’ve been looking for where to punt FT% and there’s 2 places I see. The 1st I mentioned a couple comments above this, Cousins/Millsap and Drummond or Jordan late 3rd/Early 4th. Then Howard not before the 6th… in a 12er. So 36ish for Drummond/DeAndre, I really shouldn’t be calling him just Jordan for multiple reasons. 60ish for Howard. This seems

      The 2nd place I see is LeBron. Maybe Blake falls. A high end assist wing and big might make up for the lack of a PG cause early 3rd is gonna be Drummond/Jordan, dang it I did it again. 4th needs to be a PG and in this build I would love for that to be MCW! 5th can be Howard but we still need PGs. So LeBron. Griffin. Drummond/DeAndre. MCW. Howard. How about that build? Only gonna happen if Blake falls in your lap late in the 2nd. Gimme your thoughts too JB. I’m also debating Drummond as a late 2nd rounder with LeBron if deciding to punt FT%. Pairing Drummond with DeAndre so early is going to leave us short a fair amount of points.

      I know we are a little worried about DeAndre and I do think he loses some minutes (and stats) but with punting FTs I think he’s still a 3rd rounder with 10 boards and 2 blocks still feeling like a floor.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Slim: LeBron Blake would def be a good one. All of these play back into your worry about not having PG depth though. Drummond even punting FT in the 2nd seems high. And agree, DeAndre Drummond leaves pts on the table, but you can make those up.

        So LeBron/Griffin (but probably would be taken earlier)/Drummond/DeAndre/MCW/Howard – then you’d def need like Collison then Calderon after that. I’ve never been a FT punter so I’m not loving it, but that’s just my opine since I’m not huge on DeAndre and def want a better guard in there earlier on.

  6. Slim

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    Next up… the 14 through 18 bigs… and Dirk.

    I’m leaving Millsap out because I think we are in agreement that he’s ahead of all of the 2nd round bigs. OK… there’s a lot going on so I’m going to take it in reverse draft order based off our 1st round grades.

    #12 we’re picking Cousins. Who do we pair with Cousins? Millsap, moving right along.
    #11 Melo, Unless we are punting FG% I would like to avoid Aldridge. Melo is high end points with low end stl/blk (for a 1st rounder). With him I like either Jefferson or Horford.
    #10 Westbrook. Once again unless we plan on punting FG% I want to avoid Aldridge (Although this isn’t a bad option). Pretty much the same as Melo. I’d prefer Jefferson or Horford.
    #9 Wall. See Westbrook
    #8 Love. The biggest thing here is that we are lacking in FG% and blocks from a big. I think we could punt Blocks here and go with Dirk as the 1st option and Griffin as the 2nd. Griffin should make up the FG% and hopefully with Love the FT% should be OK. But… If Jefferson or Horford falls I like them better. If Aldridge falls we could punt FG% here too. Lots of options but they pretty much all favor punting a category.
    #7 Ibaka. Tough one… Do I take whichever of these that are left? Yeah I think so. We’re looking for points and that’s about it. I like Dirk with Ibaka quite a bit but we will be seriously lacking in steals which I don’t like to punt. Not a big deal. We’ll find some steals with our wings later. I don’t mind Blake here either. Aldridge works too but I’m not thrilled about it.

    Ok so based off that mess I’ve got it in this order…

    #13 Millsap, Jefferson, Horford, Dirk, Griffin, Aldridge.

    I’ll think about it some more but that’s where I’m at at 8:00 in the morning… Last thing. Melo, Wall, Westy with Dirk, Griffin? I’m not all that excited by the lack of blocks. These are definitely not my ideal pairings.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Millsap Cousins! Man I’d love that start…

      Agree with Melo pairing. And with the PG pairings, either big would be nice with both.

      With Love, you could always get Dirk then take one of the non-FT guys (Drummond, DeAndre) since both Dirk and Love are fairly high volume FT. More LOve than Dirk, but ya know.

      I just think Aldridge’s underrated multi-cat make him a higher pick. I think that’s really our main disagreement is where to slot him. I don’t think his FG% is that rough and it goes up a point or two even with his high-volume mid-range.

      • padara says:
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        @JB Gilpin: hi guys, working on your ranks & projections, I agree with you on the turn with Cousins/Millsap or Ibaka/Millsap (I feel owners cautious with lack of points of Ibaka), but the more I think about it, the more I find it a mess to be competitive in AST….. by picking 10-12 this year, you can miss : Curry, Paul, Wall, Westy in 1st rd, then Lawson, Conley, Lillard, Irving, Dragic? in the PG run at the beginning of round 3, meaning you’re way fXXXX late in this category…. your FT% does not smell good either….
        I’m gonna work on that simulation, but yes, your ideas are welcome for how to catch back, esp. in root, because maybe in H2H, it could be the year of a AST punt??.
        cheers

        • JB Gilpin

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          @padara: Well I’m still standing by my Calderon as an AST boost late. Even if he is at 6 like everyone seems to think, that’s a good dimer late. Rubio should be there in the 30s too… Well Ibaka is a pretty good FT shooter, esp. compared to the other high volume blockers. By getting him early, you have a good shot to win FT% again the Drummond/Dwight/DeAndre teams while competing in blocks.

          I’ve never been a punter in fantasy hoops, so if I did go that route, I’d get a lot of upside PGs later. Colly, Calderon, maybe even a flyer on Jameer Nelson with my last pick. Picks like that

        • Slim

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          @padara: I’ve never punted assists. I’m sure it’s possible and I would focus on a few low TO guys. If I’m going to lose assists I better win turnovers. The FT% for Cousins/Millsap is off to a bad start but it’s not impossible to work with. Especially since it’s essentially from 2 bigs and we should be up to 20+boards and 2.5+blocks per from the pair.

          I think late 3rd/early 4th will have some PGs left on the board. They aren’t as reliable of course but Jrue, Kemba, Rubio, Rose (but I’m passing), MCW should still be around. Since the next pick isn’t until 60ish I would want to get 2 PGs before that point and hopefully one with high upside assist numbers. Good spot for Rubio I think. This is a tough build but I think it’s doable and the counting stats would be off to a great start.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: Jrue! I love Jrue this year, he’ll be a great value. If somehow all those PGs are gone, I still think Jrue is in that class and undervalued

            • Slim

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              @JB Gilpin: I think Jrue is a risky pick. Tyreke Evans came on pretty well last year. There’s definitely risk that Tyreke takes a fair amount of PG duties leaving Jrue without the good assist numbers we’re both hoping for. Brow is the #1 option, I think Gordon and Tyreke are offensive options 2 and 3 leaving Jrue as potentially an afterthought. I don’t want to believe it’s going to happen, just saying the potential is there.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @Slim: Ehhhh, I dunno, I like Tyreke a lot too and agree he can facilitate, but he really only took over point duties when Brian Roberts was starting. Because Brian Roberts is terrible. I agree he’s not a primary option, but he’ll be facilitating to those guys so could get a career high in dimes like we saw in his final full month last year.

                • Slim

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                  @JB Gilpin: I think we’re higher on Jrue than most. I just think there’s a fair amount of risk. December was a good month for Jrue and you know Tyreke wasn’t too bad then either. They could coexist. So yeah the risk is worth the reward, I’m good with that.

                  • JB Gilpin

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                    @Slim: I CONVINCED SLIM, DROP THE CONFETTI, POP THE CHAMPAGNE, ITS PARTY TIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  7. Richo says:
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    Hey guys, loving the early rankings! I followed your rankings and advice all the way from Australia last year and it led me to winning the league I’m a part of- so thanks Slim & JB.
    We’ve got a keeper rule that’s a bit different, you can nominate a keeper but only after the 1st round. When your keeper is ‘drafted’ by another team, you forfeit your next pick to keep them. This really favours the last pick in the draft because if they take pick 12 and 13 and they have a player that is expected to go early 2nd- they only lose a late third rounder to keep them.
    3 of my ’14 championship team will go in the top 6 picks so I’ve got Millsap, Drummo or Kobe to keep. My plan was always to keep Drummo, draft D12/Deandre/Rondo, and punt ft% as I have a little bit of a man crush on him.
    My league will have 6-7 roster spots plus 4-5bench and 10 or 12 coaches.
    Is there any draft position where you would consider keeping Drummo over (I assume your mancrush) Millsap? If I get pick 10-12 (assuming Wall and Westy are gone) in the lottery is it worth taking a Lillard with 13-15 so I don’t get three talls?
    It’s late here so I may have carried on a fair bit. Keep up the good work! (Loving the podcast!)

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      @Richo:
      *9 cat, weekly h2h, locked line-ups
      *if I get pick 10-12 I would be hoping Millsap slips beyond my 2nd pick and I get Millsap as a keeper because it would only cost me a late third round pick which is great value.
      If I were to have pick 6-8 though I would assume he would go just before my second rounder- meaning not great value for the pick and I could possibly get better ‘value’ in nabbing Drummo late. My fantasy bball mind is working way too hard for August.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Richo: Awesome, thanks man!

      Whew, this sounds like some Jedi mind tricks kind of draft! But I think I follow. I think if you got Drummond kept, I like the FT punt.

      But yes, I would keep Millsap over Drummond. Both I have ahead of Kobe, but Millsap’s multi-cat is right there at elite. I have no problem with Lillard around 15 if you grabbed MIllsap and need a PG to start building around your backcourt. You’re passing on just a couple of bigs and not going too far off my ranks.

      Yeah if Millsap gets past you and you get him with 3rd round value, that’s a huge steal. Well, I have a feeling we here at Razzball are going to be way high on Millsap, I could indeed see him slip behind you. Depends on your leaguemates and if they read us too :)

      Thanks for droppin by, and we’ve got a Pod coming out tomo!

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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks, we got the idea for our keeper rule from the draft in Aussie rules football- that’s what they do when players in the draft have fathers who played for a club- the club can choose to forfeit their next pick and ‘keep’ the son.
        Thanks, Millsap was never in my mind as a keeper until you had him so high. The only way I could see myself not keeping him now is if someone picks him 1-2 spots before my second round pick. If I can get him with a third or late 2nd I will. The keeper rule also means Millsap is more likely to be the first pick in the second round because most players that are chosen with pick 13 will be kept by other teams lowering the options.
        I’m now dreaming of a Brow/LBJ/Harden to pair with Millsap.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Richo: Hahaha, really?! That sounds ridiculous! And confusing! Crazy, you guys down under rock, love it.

          Whewwwwww, Brow and Millsap?! That’s be a nasty start. Hope he makes it to ya!

  8. Boom Shakalaka says:
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    Can we talk a little about Brandon Jennings or should we call him BJ because he suck ballz last year in Detroit.

    Where do yo rank him this year and where would you rank him if you were punting his terruble .373FG%. If you punt his FG% in BBM he goes from finishing with 10rnd value to 4th value last year. Im thinking he would be a major steal in my draft if I dont reach for him ….. ESPN has him listed going 8th round but what do they know? lol

    Last years stats
    .373/.751/1.9/15.5/3.1/7.6/1.3/0.1/2.7 : 34

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Boom Shakalaka: Haha BJ indeed! Dude, for the longest time in middle school, morons thought it was so funny calling me BJ instead of JB. Sooooooooooooooooooo original.

      I haven’t ranked him yet, and I’m into the 50s. If you’re punting FG%, yeah I’d reach for him a bit, but his FT % fell, had some absolutely horrific slumps… He won’t end up on any of my teams. I remember he was being considered near-droppable at points. Haha I disagree with a lot of ESPN, but 8th or 9th round sounds about right. I’m taking Collison and Calderon ahead of him for example.

      Thanks for stoppin by!

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        I have Jennings in my team last year w/ Brow-my 1st rd pick(last pick),Dirk, Westbrook,Bledsoe,Beal, Drummond, Korver,Caroll, De andre, Howard(via trade for D Rose-my 2nd rd pick). Its a 10 team league H2H. Punt FT, TO. I ended up still winning always in FG(tnx w/ my great bigs). Jennings is a great assist,steals,3s-thats it for him. Ended up champs for that league. Thanks for de andre(last pick) howard trade, and injured westbrook who fells in 4th,ist pick.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Marl: Yeah Westbrook was a great value last year. I worry Jennings isn’t going to get the big dimes this year though, especially since I don’t see 34 minutes either.

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            Agree! Can KJ Mcdaniels hit 1-1.5 3s a gm(upside)? with a 25 min. playing time .

            Keep it up JB and Slim. Your far better than yahoo/espn. Great Job for all
            your ranking analysis!

          • Marl says:
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            Can I drop Avery Bradley to get KJ Mcdaniels?
            I have westbrook ,calderon, g hill and j nelson as PG with only Wesly Mathews, and Green(GS) as wings.

            My Bigs are:
            Ibaka
            Bosh
            Favors (via J Parker trade)
            R Lopez
            Jonas V
            J Henson

            What are my needs JB and Slim to win our Yahoo Winner League 1902.

    • Slim

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      @Boom Shakalaka: I’m pretty sure I’ll rank him so low he won’t make it on my team. I like to punt FG% but Jennings could very well lose some playing time and I don’t punt playing time! After listening to the Pistons guy (@JoeDexter) on the Pod I’m backing away even further. There’s just too great a chance Jennings struggles and Stan Van turns the PG spot into a timeshare with Augustin. I’m with JB. He’s after Collison, Calderon.

        • Slim

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          @JB Gilpin: Is Augustin a keeper in the REL for $1? If we assume 20 min then I’m starting to think yes.

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              @JB Gilpin: Cory Joseph is awesome. I felt for a while there I was all alone in that thinking. Here’s to hoping he can get some minutes at the 2. I think he, like Reggie Jackson, could start for over half the teams in the league at PG.

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                @Slim: I like him a lot too and no Patty could give up some decent early season run. Will make my top 200, but a lot of iffy guys once you get past 150.

  9. Slim

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    So we’re through 18… Next up I’m taking Kawhi Leonard with either Curry or Paul giving Kawhi a top 20 ranking.

    Based off our rankings the run of bigs will be over at #18 and lets assume we drafted one of the top 2 PGs in Stephen Curry or Chris Paul. We’re about to have 2 picks pretty quickly and then a long wait till we get another in the mid-to-late 40’s. At that point there should be some bigs available, Favors, DeAndre, Pau, BroPez so missing a big in the top 3 picks shouldn’t set us back too much in their categories. However at that point the options at PG have all but dried up. Now I like Collison and Calderon to be solid #3 PGs, but if I have to make them #2 PGs then that’s going to leave us way behind in PG stats and digging through the Lins, Burkes, and Beverleys of the world hoping for a miracle. One of those would be fine, but if we need 2 to fill out our 4 PG minimum we’re probably never going to win assists even with a top guy like Chris Paul.

    So now that we’ve decided we want a PG in either the late 2nd or early 3rd round which do we prefer? If we go with a PG in the 2nd then Kawhi probably disappears before our 3rd round pick leaving us choosing between Batum, Bosh, or Vucevic. It’s OK but for my money I’d rather take Kawhi in the 2nd and still be left with a few options for an early 3rd round PG. Like I said before this is going to leave us short on bigs but I feel like the options for bigs in the 4th/5th round is going to be vastly superior to the options for PGs.

    Finally there is one more option… Skipping the wing player all together and going with 2 PGs and 2 Bigs in the 1st 4 rounds. This is probably going to be the ideal option. There are tons of good wings in the 5th/6th rounds and we would have no worries about position for the rest of the draft. Unfortunately without one of the bigs in our top 18 we are left with solid, yet unspectacular options in Bosh or Vucevic. Since I think Kawhi has a much greater chance of returning 1st round value I’m going to be willing to take the risk of not getting a big in the 1st 3 rounds to get him.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Yeah and I really don’t think my rank is too far off then, you’re saying you’re reaching to be sure to secure Kawhi which I might do as well. Like I mentioned on the Pod, someone is gonna take someone weird early and throw off what drafts normally look like. What if Ibaka is still on the board?

      Agree with bigs/pg thru 4. We both aren’t big on the wings. I agree Kawhi has a bigger chance for 1st round value and why I have him ranked higher, but say it was a 22 team draft and I would get those PGs first. I dunno if that logic works, but kinda how i felt v. Kyrie/Dragic

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: Yeah I guess in a really deep league I would take the PGs ahead of Kawhi, well not Kyrie, but there are several PGs that would be more important.

        There’s always outliers and if they fall that’s great but my draft day plan can’t take that into account. If someone throws me off my plan cause they are too good to pass up then I will make adjustments to the plan when the time comes. But I feel like going into the draft with some pairings I know I would like is still ideal. Pairings is the last thing I want to be thinking about on draft day. I want that to be predetermined, at least 95% predetermined. Oh and when I say pairings I’m strictly talking about the 1st 2 rounds. After that the plan turns into something resembling a flow chart, with multiple ‘branches’. It gets pretty complicated around the 5th/6th rounds.

        So something like this…

        1.Curry
        2.Kawhi

        3a. Dragic 3b. Lillard 3c Kyrie

        4a1.Favors 4a2. Jordan 4a3. BroLo 4a4. Pau
        4b1.Favors 4b2. BroLo 4b3. Pau

        5a1a.Parsons 5a1b.Hayward 5a2c Thad

        6. Noel

        etc etc etc… Much easier with a pencil and paper. Confused yet? I’m not saying that’s right. I’m not to this point yet but this is what I like to go into a draft with. It’s a plan with many contingencies (less contingencies late because I know who I want). If I fall off my path its usually pretty easy to get back on.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: Haha all the branches off a flow chart sounds like how he explains time travel in Back to the Future! Which actually is kinda true in a way. Well I’d be throwing you off with my Noel rank! Hah! Glad we both love him.

          I think just my overall immersion into ranks and everything makes me just wing it on draft day. I know my ranks, I know who I like, and I’ll know my needs after my first pairing. Ibaka+Millsap = filet mignon and a nice red. Talk about a pairing!

          • Slim

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            @JB Gilpin: Not bad… it’s no Locksley and Bagel. Now there’s a pairing that can’t miss! Ahh Mel Brooks. All other comedians wish they could be as funny as him.

            Yeah, we’ll see if you take Noel in the 5th. I think the main thing here is that I don’t think anyone is considering him that high. I think. But umm, yeah I’m not high on winging drafts, or drafting wings high. Damn you Mel Brooks, you’ve got me speaking in puns. But yeah, you take your Noel in the 5th (assuming you need defensive stats) and I’ll take Faried (assuming I need everything else).

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Slim: Mel Brooks indeed, so many classics. Sounds good, I’m pumped I’m getting Noel in leagues v you!

              • Slim

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                @JB Gilpin: This one was supposed to be about Kawhi. Oh well, next up is the dozen or so PGs. Think that might get it’s own post though.

  10. Ryan Perkins says:
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    Hey guys loving the early ranks, you’re the only site kickin right now for the upcoming season.

    My question is going back to the importance of categories in drafts: my league is an auction league with your regular 8 cat plus field goals missed and double doubles. Field goals missed kind of goes along with FG%, but I noticed last year the double doubles held way more value than I anticipated. With that being said, would it deter you from getting guys like BroLo and Marc Gasol and pay more attention to the Love’s of the world?

    Appreciate the feedback.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Ryan Perkins: Thanks man! That’s why we’re jumpong the gun, everyone else is lazy! But making it tough for comparisons haha :)

      INteresting… Field goals missed… Played in a lot of different leagues but never that cat! Haha. But that combined with dubdubs means shoot up the bigs. Umm, I don’t think BroLo gets too much of a negative boost because his FG% should be so high that he’s a big plus (or well, not a negative haha) in FG missed. Gasol on the other hand, yeah I would probably avoid since he’s shooting a lot of mid range now and not boarding.

      All the boring guys in 9-cat that are dubdub threats def shoot way up. Tristan Thompson, Zach Randolph… guys like that.

      Any time man, thanks for dropping by!

    • Slim

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      @Ryan Perkins: Yeah, what he said. Except for Tristan. but Randolph I don’t know. Someone like David Lee is big time. Faried or Monroe. Guys who usually fall down draft boards for their lack of blocks don’t fall nearly as far with those categories. I don’t think there’s too much movement for PGs. Rubio looks scary from the FG front but he’s gonna give a ton of dub-dubs and the volume shouldn’t hurt too much.

      BroPez and MGasol are interesting but with those categories they definitely both move down a bit in the rankings. Love is OK but honestly I think Jefferson might top him with those settings. It’s close. Love is a big that hurts FG% and should get more misses than big Al. Will he get more dub-dubs than Jefferson, probably but it should be pretty close. I think it’s really neck and neck between those 2 with those settings.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: @Ryan Perkins: Totally agree there, yeah move Big Al up. Since it’s now 10 cat, FT%has a little less importance and it favors those FT drainers a little more since the big 3 D’s are boarders too/good FG%. Move up Dwight, DeAndre and Drummond.

  11. Patrick says:
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    keep up the good work guys. loving the addition of the podcast as well, lots of info in the debates, bring more people in to discuss maybe? but it might get a bit messy, i dunno

    one question: i don’t understand why lillard is at 19. i had him last year and although fun to watch, kind of killed me in fg%. also steals and assists low for a PG ranked that high. sort of 1 dimensional other than consistency.

    also loving slim’s drafting strategies in the comments section btw, i hope razzball remains a secret

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Patrick: Thanks man! We did one with Pete Nice in too, but it’s mostly our crazy schedules keeping us from having a full house.

      The metrics seem to like Lillard pretty well, with a 17 overall finish on BBMonster. The FG% was his worst cat, but with the low TOs (2.4) with the high-volume treys and decent assists always boost in their matric’s value. Seems like low TOs with 3s boosts your value a lot. I think he’s worth that kind of pick though with the safety.

      Well, we don’t wanna be TOO much of a secret haha, but glad we’re starting early!

      • Patrick says:
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        @JB Gilpin: yeah that’s a selfish hope. fair enough. looking forward to the complete list, discussions, shuffle arounds, and the beginning of the season

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Patrick: Me too man, we’ll see about having the full house on sometime soon!

    • Slim

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      @Patrick: Lillard isn’t the prototypical pass 1st PG but he’s probably going to be 2nd in points and 2nd in 3s for all PGs (behind Curry). He’s one of the best FT shooters in the game and the 5 attempts was a pretty good volume. The assists and steals bum me out too but I feel like he’s young enough that he should still be able to develop more to this part of his game. Not missing a single game for his 1st 2 years is definitely something I put value in too. If we were drafting based strictly off last years numbers then Lillard probably should be a few spots down but out of that big mess of 2nd/3rd round PGs I feel like Lillard has the most upside.

  12. DICK BAVETTA says:
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    Usings your rankings I did my own personal Mock draft by myself… so sad. lol

    Whats the good and the bad you see from this team? 10 team H2H 2 keepers. Mine are West and Lawson.

    PICK ROUND
    6 1 IBAKA
    15 2 LILLARD
    26 3 VUCEVIC
    35 4 RWESTBROOK
    46 5 NOEL
    55 6 Ty Lawson
    66 7 Teague
    75 8 Calderon
    77 9 WEST
    86 10 T.HARRIS
    95 11 M.MORRIS
    106 12 SULLENGER

    • JB Gilpin

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      @DICK BAVETTA: Haha not sad at all! I’m loving every single thing about that team. Should destroy all cats and maybe you have a lot of TOs, but I think you should be favored in every other cat most weeks. I might pass on Tobias Harris, but other than that, yeah everyone you drafted are guys I like. Love the high Noel pick!

      • DICK BAVETTA says:
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        I just cant get enough of Tobias Harris I must just like saying the name…. say it with me “TOE-BY-ASSSS” awkware moment.

        What dont you like about him? I had him last year and ya he flopped pretty hard but I think it all had something to do with his high ankle sprain. After the season news came out saying he was dealing with the injury even when he came back and that’s why his 3, STL and BLKS all went below than one a game. BUT his %’s both went up he was like 80% from the line and shot 5 a game i think.

        Dont sleep on Tobias he gunna do what was expected of him and i would be suprised of he became a 1+ guy you always talk about. Final ADP for the year im saying TOP 60 guy making him a steal.

        I dont see him playing any less than 30 mins a game and

        • JB Gilpin

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          @DICK BAVETTA: Haha def love his name. And loved him last year! Agree a lot of his dud-ness came from the ankle sprain, but bringing in Frye and then drafting Aaron Gordon just shows a non-commitment to Tobias. I think the minutes crunch will be rough. I think he is actually under 30

    • Slim

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      @DICK BAVETTA: Looks pretty solid. I don’t think the 5th PG is too necessary. A few more boards would be nice. So yeah if one of those PGs was a big I’d like it a little better. I lurve me some Markieff this year. I was begging JB to throw him in the top 75 but he wouldn’t do it. The projection I gave him just looks silly.

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        @Slim:

        I remember him alway being in on the cusp of picking him off the wire last year and I’m in a 10 team league so he making some noise last year. Now that Channing Tatum is gone I see a nice bump in minutes and touchs for Marieff Morris.

        In my league the only positions we have are G F C. Is the 5th point gaurd still too much. I grabbed Jose cause I thought id be getting crushed on 3pts with out him. Which PG would you want to change if and for what big?

        • Slim

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          @DICK BAVETTA: Nah with those settings I’m good with Calderon since he’s only your 5th guard.

          I like Tobias this year too… at that price. I have him right on that top 75 border. If he’s around in the 80’s i’ll have a tough time passing. I like Markieff a little better. I feel like he has less competition for playing time.

          Gonna be strange watching the NBA this year and not seeing Bavetta.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: Yeah I’ll def have Kieff over Tobias. Tobias might not make top 100, he’ll be at the end, I don’t like the minutes outlook

            • Slim

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              @JB Gilpin: Y! has plenty of funky pre-draft rankings but Markieff at 134 is just plain silly. Tobias at 96 feels about right.

              And you’re going to love this one… Noel is up to 47! So… how come your so down on Noel this year? I kid but come on. That is way too high to call him any kind of sleeper. There’s no way I’m taking him in the 4th. Favors at 65 is laughable. Him I will take in the 4th…

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                @Slim: Yikes on both Kieff and Noel! Noel even ahead of Favors doesn’t make much sense, much less 20 picks?! Friggin Yahoo ruining our ranks!

  13. Peter Nincompoop says:
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    JB & Slim…I’m back from my hiatus and have been catching up on all of your posts/comments. Great stuff per usual. I have a quick question for the two of you to chime in on. I’m in a keeper league where you get to keep 10/year and end up having a 15-man roster after the draft and cut-off date. Seeing that each team retains 2/3rd’s or their roster each year, there’s a premium on drafting rookies (i.e., all are in the draft pool in addition to each team’s cuts).

    I lucked out and ended up getting the #4 overall pick in this years upcoming draft. Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins will undoubtedly go #1 and #2, but I would be able to select Dante Exum, Julius Randle or Marcus Smart (my next three favorites) at the 4th slot. My current ten keepers are young and legit (e.g., Walker, Oladipo, Jackson, Batum, DeRozan, Leonard, Drummond, Jordan, Sullinger and Sanders), but I’ve been getting hit up with offers for the 4th pick. Without getting into additional details involved in the aforementioned offers, what it boils down to is whether Nerlens Noel or Derrick Favors is worth swapping the 4th pick for? I like both players and wouldn’t mind keeping either instead of Reggie Jackson or Larry Sanders, but just wanted to see what you both thought.

    Many thanks as always.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Peter Nincompoop: Thanks so much man! Damn, good roster so far! Favors and Noel should be much better than who you’d be getting at pick 4, so I think I would trade that to get Favors, but then you’re so heavy on bigs that I think you can afford to trade one of em. Maybe flip Favors for a guard post draft. And yeah, I’ll be lower on R-Jax than most, I would let him go and maybe Sanders you can flip after a hot start too. I hope that somewhat helps! Haha

    • Slim

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      @Peter Nincompoop: Yep, I would take either for the 4th round pick. In a dynasty I think Reggie is untouchable, especially considering you’re already a little short on PGs. It looks like he won’t sign an extension with OKC which means he’ll be a RFA next year. I could certainly see him getting a nice payday and a starting PG job next year. For me this comes down to Sullinger vs Sanders. Jordan plus Drummond is a solid start to blocks but I don’t think it’s too much better than middle of the pack. I’m also not a big believer in Sullinger. I don’t see much more than an average talent. So I would take the trade for either (Favors 1st) and stick with the 4 bigs of Drummond, DeAndre, Sanders, Favors. I also don’t think Randle deserves to be in the conversation for 4th pick. For your team I think Elfrid Payton would be my top choice if the trade falls through. I wouldn’t be thinking anymore about rebuilding either. This team is definitely good enough to compete now.

      • Peter Nincompoop says:
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        @Slim: Thanks guys. I’ll let you know if the Favors deal ends up getting done.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Peter Nincompoop: Yeah actually, I’m with @Slim: re: RJax. Big dynasty upside, and 10 keepers is big enough to hold. Sullinger seems the drop too. Semi-oversight. Good luck getting Favors man!

    • Lasandro says:
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      Haha greatest Always Sunny homage I’ve seen yet. Tip of the cap to you, sir

  14. padara says:
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    Hi Guys,
    have you made some rankings simulations? if I plug Slim’s projections for J.Parker & A.Wiggins, I get roughly top80-85 for Wiggins, top90-95 only for Parker….?
    I have not yet listened to the last podcast, but your rankings seem high reach for both with little hope for the value to beat the draft position.
    Cheers

    • Slim

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      @padara: A couple of things… 1st I made my projections having no idea where JB had these guys ranked. So the rankings compared to the projections are going to be off, also this is just a 1st iteration of the ranks and of the projections. Things will change. Also I think JB has these 2 ranked much higher than I do, I’m more in the 70’s for both. 2nd my projections don’t really take into account the upside for more. You’ll notice I only put 30 minutes for both, JB thinks 34 minutes for Parker. It doesn’t seem like a lot but if you prorate my numbers with the extra minutes I bet the increase in rank would be significant. And finally, I absolutely think taking Parker in the 4th round is a reach. I do not believe he comes in as the #1 option on that team. I think Knight is still the top outside threat, I think Antetok is going to be a monster, Henson and Ilyasova should see good minutes, Middleton should get some run. So conservatively 80’s/90s feels reasonable. But the upside for top 50ish is going to keep their draft day price tag really high.

      I bet my numbers for Faried puts him in the 50’s and JB has him in the 70’s. These things will happen. As we discuss it though guys will go up and down, numbers will change. Like JB has already said he thinks he’s got Faried a touch too low.

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        @Slim: I’m with you here! I made some simulations and yes, they become top50 with 36minutes. it’s strange as they’re right in the same range with the same minutes but different stats!

        where do you have the Greak ranked?

        last question: would you trade in a keeper league (3/4yrs hold) Parker or Wiggins for Cousins? Where do you see these young guys in 3years for example? top20? top10?
        thanks

        • Slim

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          @padara: Nice. That makes me feel all smart and stuff…

          I currently have Antetok at 79. Y! predraft has him at 111. So I’m hoping to steal him in the 8th/9th round I think. I haven’t projected him yet, I’m interested in seeing how he does for the Greek team. I thought he looked like a different player in summer league. I was impressed with his aggression and ability to finish at the rim and of course his length for steals and blocks is amazing. His jumper is still a work in progress but looked much better already, especially from 3-pt range. 1/1/1 3s/stls/blks, absolutely. 12-14 points I think. 6 boards and 2 assists feel low. His numbers are going to look really really good.

          Yes I would trade one of them for Cousins (assuming I get to keep Cousins for 3/4 years too). Next year I think they both are in the top 50. In 2 years I think Jabari is going to push for top 30 and Wiggins should be pushing top 20. I don’t think Jabari hits 1st round value due to a lack of defensive stats and I think Wiggins needs to improve his shooting a significant amount to be a 1st round pick. Both could and if I was betting on one or the other I would bet on Wiggins. Cousins should maintain his borderline top 10 value for the next 3 years, I wouldn’t be worried about that at all.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @padara: @Slim: Pssshhhh Slim you know you’re smart! I’m the dumb one with Parker too high :)

            Wow, 79th for the Greek? I know he’ll be top 100 for me, so we actually aren’t as far off on him as I thought. For me re: Parker, I think Giannis doesn’t flourish offensively as much as Slim, but a ton of value in blocks/steals and overall multi-catness.

            Totally agree, yeah I’d want Cousins. I think it’s a long way out to think either will be top 10 guys, I agree with Slim, Wiggins has a better shot but will take a while. Needs the team to fit around him in a few years.

            Thanks for droppin by man!

  15. cooler83 says:
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    I don’t really understand why Carmelo Anthony doesn’t get more love on the draft board. I have him ranked #7 on my list just after James Harden. I understand that last year Carmelo’s rebs and blocks got inflated by injuries to key front court players which resulted in an overall rank of 7 in 9 cat leagues last year, but everyone has to remember that even in 2012-13 with his rebs and blocks down, Carmelo still finished with an overall rank of 8. Both years he ranked higher than your MAN Serge Ibaka! This year, with the SF position kind of thin, and Carmelo’s huge out of position points/3ptm at the PF spot, he deserves a higher ranking! 11 is waaay too low for a proven top-8 commodity the last 2 years!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @cooler83: That’s a really good question with only minimal defense that I have haha. Big thing is exactly what you mention with the REB/BLK spike, and sometimes his value gets weighted differently according to however rankings are calculated. For example, basketball monster which I use a lot had Melo 21st with a 0.27 value (however their system works) in 12-13 and it hopped to 7th/0.69 last year, while Ibaka in 12-13 was 7th/0.47 and 9th/(0.59). That was in total-value which skewed Melo in 12-13, but still, Ibaka finished better then almost dead even last year. I indeed think the boards and blocks coming down brings him down to high teens in their rankings and Ibaka sometimes gets overlooked because he brings a scarcer stat. And he’s still developing and young which I like. I think both will bring in good stats, but I love starting my squads with Ibaka!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Ya I was looking at Melo’s per game rankings in 2012-13 9-cat and he was ranked 8th whereas Ibaka was ranked 11th. To be fair, I expect to see something around the 2012-13 Melo since I agree that his rebs/blks were inflated. Just hard to justify picking Ibaka over Melo since Melo outperformed Ibaka in per game rankings 2 straight years in both yahoo and bballmonster rankings.

        Another thing with Ibaka is that by picking up a guy 1st round that is not a big scorer forces you to draft points in the later rounds, where it is more difficult to get a scorer other than a Derozan-like player in the 4th-5th rounds. In my experience with mock drafts this year, there are tons of big men in the later rounds that you can pick up for blocks if you miss out on Ibaka early (e.g. Rolo, Gortat, Duncan, Hibbert, Favors etc.). I just find that whenever I mock-draft Ibaka early, my teams are always low on points. That, combined with Melo’s historical per game value has me sold on Melo at #7. Although I like Ibaka at #8!! Lol….

        • JB Gilpin

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          @cooler83: Oh for sure, definitely falls into “you can make stats say anything you want” using per-game or total value to back up thoughts. While I like most of those later bigs too, Ibaka has youth and more upside on top of more blocks putting him worth the high pick for me. I typically put little weight on points and find I get those late in drafts or through early pickups. I don’t mind Melo 7 if Ibaka is 8 for you though! Haha thanks for droppin by

        • Slim

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          @cooler83: Yeah I find points to be much easier to find than blocks or assists (why I would take Wall/Westbrook over Melo) and JB and I both think there’s room for Ibaka to still improve on his numbers (ditto for Wall/Westy).

          As for those later picks… RoLo’s value comes mostly from his low TOs and 2 percents. The 1.7 blocks were nice but I think represent the high end and it’s almost half of what Ibaka does. Gortat is OK but he has a lengthy injury history and huts FT%. Duncan is going to get the minutes crunch and probable rest late in the year. In H2H I don’t want him at all. Hibbert is impossible to trust. Someone will take him within the 1st 100 picks but it won’t be me. He lost minutes last year and that could absolutely be the case this year. Hibbert was droppable at the end of the year. I’m way off Hibbert unless I really fubar my bigs. We love Favors but I have a feeling we won’t be the only ones. I think there will be some serious competition to draft him.

          I guess the big thing for me is that I feel like missing on a wing just isn’t that big of a deal, at least compared to missing on the 15 pts/ 2+ blocks bigs or the 20 Pts/8+ ast PGs. I have found that those are far more difficult to replace.

  16. cooler83 says:
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    I have a question for you guys. This situation came up recently in one of my mock drafts and I was wondering what everyone’s thoughts were. I get 10th overall pick in a 12 man roto league. I get Ibaka in the 1st rd and Al Jefferson in the 2nd round. I was hoping to get Wall or Westbrook but they were already taken by the time it was my turn to pick in the 1st round. By the time it comes back to me in the 3rd round, I definitely want to draft a PG. Problem is, Millsap is still available and I know how much you guys love him. I end up drafting Conley since he was the best available. If it was up to you, would you draft a PG knowing that a high ranked big man was available? Also, by the time it came to me in the 4th rd, I was looking to draft another PG since I know Conley is not really a high assist guy comparatively. My best option was Jrue Holiday, but the problem was that Nikola Vucevic was still available. I ultimately decided that Vucevic’s value was too much to pass in the 4th round. Overall my draft went ok after. I ended up grabbing Teague in the 5th rd, and Calderon in the 7th rd to shore up my PGs. Wondering what your thoughts were and what you would do in my position!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @cooler83: Love the pair of bigs early! I think the answer is a little bit of feel and just how much someone you love falls down in drafts. If Millsap is there in the 3rd, I think I’m getting him no matter what. Even though he’s another PF to your Cs, he hits some 3s and at least is multi-cat. I probably woulda grabbed him instead of Conley. So say you did that and got MIllsap, I would’ve gotten Jrue in the 4th then. I think I have him about 10 spots later than Vuc, but a guy I like 13th avail in the third (like Millsap) I think I have to get, but mid-3rd to mid-4th I think I would’ve gotten Jrue for roster comp. But since you got Conley 3rd, I indeed think I woulda gotten Vuc there too. You still got nice PGs and I think I would love that team either way with the big twin towers!

  17. Lasandro says:
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    Hey @jb Gilpin and @slim, I had a quick question: seeing that I’ll be playing in a 7-team 12 cat L, how much change would there be in your, say, top 20 list, taking into account the extra cats? Would someone like kawhi crack the list with his great a/to and %s?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Lasandro: Whewwww, good question… Yeah I think Kawhi does move up since he’s going to rock all those cats. Maybe 17-18 or something? I still think I’d want most of those elite PF/C I have in the 2nd. Kawhi the multi-cat god!

  18. poponuts says:
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    how come it is until top 75? i thought updated to top 200 already :)

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      @poponuts: Haha unfortunately real life and opening RCL Leagues and all the hooplah slowed me down, 75 will be out today/tomorrow then rounding out top 200 by next week. Sorry for the delay!

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      @poponuts: I mean, 75-100 out tomorrow :) Thanks for droppin by!

  19. dadilemma says:
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    Hey JB, Slim

    On what exact grounds do you put A. Davis above S. Curry? Not worried by his 60-sth-game seasons and/or the addition of Jrue/Asik/RAnderson to take the points/rebs/touches away from The Brow? Seems to me Steph is a safer bet for no2 as his stats may remain quite intact with a possibility to go up. I don’t see Davis being in such a beast mode as in March.

    Also can’t see Vucevic being THAT high, as well as making it reasonable to draft any rookie before 50th pick. But maybe that’s me being burned at potential many times ;) Keep up the work guys!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @dadilemma: Yo dude! Well, the main grounds is Davis was pretty far and away a better per-game player last year over Curry. Curry tied for 4th with LeBron, but there was a decent gap. Plus the Brow is so young and the offensive game continues to develop. Gonna be a monster. Not worried about the supporting cast taking any sort of value, I actually think Asik helps so the Brow isn’t banging with Cs as often.

      I’m huge on Vuc, he’s pretty underrated as he gives you good %s, a steal and a block from a big, and great boards. Having a perimeter threat in Frye is gonna help him down low.

      Parker… Yeah I got nothing haha. I’m usually not huge on rookies and don’t think I am on any others, as last year I think Oladipo was the only one to crack my top 100 in the late 90s. Everything looks great for Parker to have a big year on a crappy team. I think it’s gonna happen.

      Thanks so much man, appreciate ya droppin’ by!

    • Slim

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      @dadilemma: I’m not too worried about the supporting cast either. They all know the Brow is the best player on the team and I agree about Asik. I think Brow playing more PF and less C is only going to help him stay healthy. As for health, we were saying very similar things about Curry a few years ago and my take on him is the same as my take on the Brow now. He’s too young to give him an ‘injury prone’ label. There’s 2 reports I’ve heard that I really like. 1) That he’s working on a corner 3-pointer. 2) That he’s put on 20 pounds. Added weight should help him get pushed around less and an added 3-pt shot would put his per-game ranking well ahead of Curry. Is Curry safer? 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other I think.

      I like Vucevic too and I think he’s 1b to Chris Boshs’ 1a.

      I don’t have either rookie top 50 either but I think both are going to get drafted in the 5th round in a 12er (top 60) so if I want Wiggins or Parker that bad then that’s where I’m going to need to take one. I’m up in the air about whether or not I would draft either in the 5th round in a 12er, it depends on a lot of different things.

  20. Henry says:
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    Hey guys, any advice for auction drafts? It’s my first year doing one and I’m having a hard time valuing players. Do you think it’s worth paying up for top 5 players? (12 team $200 budget btw)

    Did a mock draft and ended up with this team:

    1. Anthony Davis (NO – PF,C) $77
    2. Paul Millsap (Atl – PF,C) $30
    3. Nikola Vucevic (Orl – PF,C) $24
    4. Chandler Parsons (Dal – SF,PF) $19
    5. Victor Oladipo (Orl – PG,SG) $13
    6. DeMar DeRozan (Tor – SG,SF) $12
    7. Pau Gasol (Chi – PF,C) $8
    8. George Hill (Ind – PG,SG) $3
    9. David Lee (GS – PF,C) $4
    10. Kevin Martin (Min – SG,SF) $4
    11. Darren Collison (Sac – PG) $2
    12. Taj Gibson (Chi – PF,C) $1
    13. Tyreke Evans (NO – SG,SF) $2

    I feel like I waited too long for a PG. Any thoughts? Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Henry: Hey man! My main advice is spend big on an elite guy, which you did. I usually wait until I’ve gotten through my top 200 to get my Auction values hammered out, but the elite guys tend to be undervalued. David Lee at $4?! Great value, but yeah if you were managing that team, I’d trade boards for a PG. Agree that team needs PG help in the worst way – even though I like Oladipo a ton, Hill is fine, and I love Collison, all 3 aren’t big volume dimers. Steals are also rough. I like the value you got everyone at, maybe a little pricey on Parsons even though I like him a lot, but nice work on the mock!

  21. poponuts says:
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    my league is starting soon! I need the top 200 (c’mon mates!) haha just kidding. make it happen though ;)

    • JB Gilpin

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      @poponuts: It’s happening right now! And not just saying that! And after doing some number crunching, John Henson is up to 101 and I wish I had him in the 90s haha. 150 will be either mostly done tomorrow or up tomorrow, and all done by this week for league domination!

      • poponuts says:
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        @JB Gilpin: @JB Gilpin: thanks mate! glad to hear that. no pressure ;)

  22. Richo says:
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    Can Sanders and Henson co-exist? With my extensive knowledge of Milwaukee (they wear green right?), they seem like the same player to me. I’m tempted to take a late flyer on Henson and just cross my fingers (read: wait) for Sanders to do something stupid.

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      @Richo: I actually think they can, and Henson is up to 101 and will keep moving up if this news holds he’ll start. As a starter last year he was baller! Just needs the minutes and if he gets em, will be a great late round flyer.

  23. Khang says:
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    Henson was a steal last year, and will be this year. Hopefully word doesn’t get out till it’s too late lol

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      @Khang: Yup he’s shooting up my draft board and I regret not having him top 100!

  24. Rob says:
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    Just wondering, are you going to post Slim’s projections for top 150?
    Also, I’ve been trying to go with PGs as my strategy in mock drafts. I’m trying to win FT%, 3s, asts, stls and pts. This is one team I got using this strategy with the 4th pick (10 team H2H):
    1. Curry
    2. Lillard
    3. Millsap
    4. Monta Ellis
    5. Oladipo
    6. Hayward
    7. David West
    8. Markieff Morris
    9. Geroge Hill
    10. T. Jones
    11. Alec Burks
    12. Stuckey
    13. Jordan Hill

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      @Rob: Yup! Finishing that up now, just got 150 done in the full post form late last night, so putting it together this afternoon. We’ll have this pot with projections through top 200.

      Love heavy PG strategy. Unreal Millsap value! Looks like you’ll lose blocks, but I think you actually got enough boards in there to fight for the rest of cats. Probably losing TO most weeks too, but I really like that team, a lot of guys I like late. I’d be scared facing them!

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      @Rob: There it is!

  25. kenny kelly says:
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    First of all, love the site and I appreciate the time you put into it.

    Are these rankings based on head-to-head or rotisserie? Also, are you open to critiquing my current rotisserie rankings?

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      JB Gilpin says:
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      @kenny kelly: Thanks so much man! They’re on H2H. Which I know should make Dwight Howard higher, but he sucks! And I don’t punt haha. Sure, it might be hard to go through a whole rankings, maybe first few rounds and your big sleepers/busts past that?

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        @JB Gilpin:

        I’m not expecting you to take a ton of time to look this over, but if you can just quickly identify the rotisserie rankings that are way off base that would be awesome.

        1. Kevin Durant
        2. Anthony Davis
        3. LeBron James
        4. Stephen Curry
        5. Chris Paul
        6. James Harden
        7. Carmelo Anthony
        8. John Wall
        9. Russell Westbrook
        10. DeMarcus Cousins
        11. Serge Ibaka
        12. Kevin Love
        13. LaMarcus Aldridge
        14. Al Jefferson
        15. Damian Lillard
        16. Dirk Nowitzki
        17. Blake Griffin
        18. Kyrie Irving
        19. Kyle Lowry
        20. Goran Dragic
        21. Chris Bosh
        22. Paul Millsap
        23. Kawhi Leonard
        24. Al Horford
        25. Nicolas Batum
        26. Ty Lawson
        27. Joakim Noah
        28. Mike Conley
        29. Marc Gasol
        30. Rajon Rondo
        31. Andre Drummond
        32. Rudy Gay
        33. Nikola Vucevic
        34. Brook Lopez
        35. Jrue Holiday
        36. Ricky Rubio
        37. Kemba Walker
        38. Derrick Rose
        39. Kobe Bryant
        40. Eric Bledsoe
        41. Victor Oladipo
        42. Deron Williams
        43. DeAndre Jordan
        44. Chandler Parsons
        45. Wesley Matthews
        46. Klay Thompson
        47. Monta Ellis
        48. Gordon Hayward
        49. Thaddeus Young
        50. Dwight Howard

        • JB Gilpin

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          @kenny kelly: I probably wouldn’t have Dwight top 50 unless the roto cats go deeper than 10 cats. That FT drain in roto means you have to be so good everywhere else to make up for it… Just not touching him. Love you have Dragic high too! Drummond I think should go up a little since his FT drain is so low volume, I think I need to move him up too, buzz is crazy on him. Probably would move Klay up above Matthews (I know only 1 spot) since roto 3s are more important than H2H. I’m not touching Deron Williams in almost any leagues, but that’s just me. Overall, looks pretty close to where I’d have everyone! Nice work!

          • kenny kelly says:
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            Just to follow up. Here’s how I ended up after my draft. Anything good or bad stick out? Thanks.

            1. (5) Stephen Curry PG,SG
            2. (20) Blake Griffin PF,C
            3. (29) Chris Bosh PF,C
            4. (44) Eric Bledsoe PG,SG
            5. (53) Chandler Parsons SF,PF
            6. (68) Derrick Favors PF,C
            7. (77) Kyle Korver SG,SF
            8. (92) Darren Collison PG
            9. (101) J.J. Redick SG
            10. (116) Terrence Jones SF,PF
            11. (125) Giannis Antetokounmpo SG,SF
            12. (140) John Henson PF,C
            13. (149) Rodney Stuckey PG,SG

  26. Boom Shakalaka says:
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    Hey JB n Slim,

    I’ve been doing some mocks and I’ve been seeing some real draft values based on you ADP’s and would your take on it. I’m in a 10 team keeper league drafting GGG FFF C UTL UTL UTL BNC BNC. My keepers are Westbrook in the 4th and Lawson in the 6th. Since I already have two elite PG’s Im wondering which of these value picks would you tareget if you already new ud have westbrook in the 4th and lawson in the 6th. I find myself jumping all over Millsap and M.Gasol but I feel like they dont mesh well with Lawson and Westbrook….. What would your strategy be?

    1-10
    11-20 Ibaka
    21-30 Millsap/Horford
    31-40
    41-50 Rubio/Kemba/Vucevic/M.Gasol
    51-60
    61-70 Favors/P.Gasol
    71-80 MCW/Calderon
    81-90 Knight/Collison
    91-100 Markieff
    101-110 Gina Anet…….???
    111-120 T.Jones/Sullinger/Draymond

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Boom Shakalaka: I think Millsap will be fine, btu yeah I’d rather Vuc with those PG for high volume boards. Def get Favors! MCW lasting as long as he is in drafts is crazy to me. He should fit well with ya. Markieff and Anteok look good, Terrence Jones is solid there late too. I’m with ya, target the upside bigs with one more PG like MCW, so loving your thoughts first two picks. Probably passing on Calderon and Collison since they’re a little less upside.

      • Boom Shakalaka says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Lets say I have a late 1st round pick and grad Wall and couldnt get MCW. Who would look to taret in the 7th round?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Boom Shakalaka: If Favors is somehow there he’s one, Gordon Hayward is lasting that long, I think I’ve got an interesting few guys in my top 70 that should be avail

    • Slim

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      @Boom Shakalaka: I think every one of those is a steal where you think you can get them. Since we never know in the real draft I’ll add another to your list. I’d like to add Faried in the 60s. Just as much potential as Favors and I like him a little more than Pau Gasol even just for this year. Faried in the 7th has keeper potential if he does live up to my lofty expectations.

      The only other thing I’m thinking is trying to figure out the order of those last 3 picks. There’s a way to get all 3… I’m not sure what it is, yet.

  27. JungMin says:
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    Hi JB n Slim,
    i was wondering why you put Terence Ross so low? Jodie Meeks is 98th while Ross is 140, but the two have incredibly similar stat line predictions. Plus Ross has more upside and doesn’t have KCP competing for minutes. if there’s a reason why u put Ross so low, plz tell me! just wondering if it’s okay for me to draft him a bit earlier.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @JungMin: Great question, I think it’s a mix of me not liking Ross and Slim like him above adp. He’s got Ross for a steal a game that sounds about right, but Meeks at only 1.1 after 1.4 last year and I think in a defensive centric team he can get to 1.7ish. That’s my big difference plus I think Meeks is guaranteed for 30 mins one way or another while Ross could really lose PT like he did in stretches last year.

    • Slim

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      @JungMin: Yeah I don’t think Meeks’ steals carry over. Could be an outlier and I think there’s a legitimate fight for minutes that Meeks could loose. That’s pretty easy to put a number on. Ross is turning 23 and is far more athletic than Meeks. He got his 1st taste of real minutes last year and if he takes the next step he could easily outproduce Meeks this year with the same amount of minutes. It’s tough to put a number on ‘upside’ for a projection.

      I don’t mind Ross earlier than 140. It’s an upside gamble though. He could be your 1st drop or he could lead the league in 3s.

      • JungMin says:
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        @Slim: Thanks guys! got ross a bit earlier, like i said and passed up on meeks……hope it pays!

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @JungMin: While I don’t think he’ll lead the league in 3s :) @Slim: , no question Ross has more upside. I just don’t see it translating this year yet on that team. Definitely see Meeks as safer, but for a last roster spot, no problem taking the lotto ticket.

  28. Richo says:
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    Hey guys, had my draft today. Thanks heaps for your work over the last few months- hope the podcasts pick up again now that’s done :) I had pick 5 in a 14 teamer.

    1) Curry
    2) Kawhi
    3) Millsap
    4) Drummond (keeper)
    5) Jrue
    6) Wiggins
    7) D-Will
    8) Giannis
    9) Henson
    10) Draymond
    11) KCP

    I’m definitely short in big men but I just kept getting value guards and wings. Tried to make up with it reaching for Henson but I’ll be ok with the way our roster is organised.
    Wanted Beard so bad but couldn’t turn down Curry at 5, he’ll definitely be PG/SG in ESPN yeah?
    Can’t wait to send/receive stupid trade offers!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Richo: thanks man! Yeah we had a busy week with all the rankings def podding it up next week! NASTY value on Millsap and Drum, dirty team. Ummm Curry might only be PG only not sure, they use a completely different criteria. He should be but you never know, they’re stricter with dual elig. Hahaha nice team name better use that as your logo!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        I’ll be real dirty on choosing Curry over the beard if Curry isn’t SG.. I wanted Beard heaps more, felt really sad when noone took Curry and I had to

    • kenny kelly says:
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      @Richo: Really light on the boards, but Millsap and Drummond are good value picks. Good overall.

      • Richo says:
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        @kenny kelly:
        My league roster is:
        PG
        SG
        SF
        PF
        C
        G
        F/C
        Bench x4

        I’ve got a lot of SG/SF players (Kawhi, Wiggins, Giannis, Draymond, KCP) which gives me flexibility. I need Millsap and Drummo to hold down the PF and C slots with only Henson as a back up.
        I figure if I play those dual position wing players in the SG and G slots I will make up for rebounds. Giannis and Kawhi could get 6 each which is great for guards.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Richo: Giannis is gonna pull a Big O and average a trip dub this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Slim

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            @JB Gilpin: I’m not 100% sure but if we were doing an all-time fantasy draft I think I’m probably taking Oscar Robertson 1st overall.

            But yeah I agree with these guys. Another big would be good. I think KCP is redundant since you’re already so high in steals. I’d drop him for an upside PF/C.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Slim: I dunno, the Wilt Chamberlain years would be really tough to pass up. 50/25.7/2.4 hahahahahaha. Crazy thinking about those stats these days.

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                @JB Gilpin: Definitely Wilt! Didn’t he average a triple double for a season because he was sick of people calling him a ball hog? They didn’t take defensicve stats, but apparently he had 11 blocks in his debut game too

                • Slim

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                  @Richo: I don’t think this is so obivous… this is before 3s, steals, blocks were kept track of but it’s obvious Oscar would win 3s and Steals, Wilt takes blocks.

                  Wilt Career – .540/.511/30.1/22.9/4.4
                  Oscar Career – .485/.838/25.7/7.5/9.5

                  Are you really punting FT% if there’s only 5 categories? Wilts FTs is on 11.4 attempts per game. It’s punted no matter who you add with him.

                  Wilt got up to 8.6 APG as a career high. Oscar averaged a triple double once and came really close 3 other times. Wilt played less than 40 games in a season 3 times. Oscar never.

                  • JB Gilpin

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                    @Richo: @Slim: Wow, I’m definitely not a hoops historian, I didn’t realize Wilt was that brutal at the FT line!

                    Haha, I had no idea fantasy basketball in our little game would only be 5 cats :) But yeah, if it was you’d have to avoid Wilt probably.

                    Still, in today’s game with 9 cats and imagining crazy blocks, I’d probably take the upside of Wilt. Where’s George Mikan?! Did Jim Thorpe ever play basketball!?!?!?! Haha

  29. JungMin says:
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    I had a real nice draft, 4th pick in a 12 teamer and got

    round1: KD(crazy value….nobody wanted him smh)
    2: Chris Bosh
    3: Al Horford
    4: Jrue Holiday
    5: Victor Oladipo
    6: Derrick Favors
    7: Jose Calderon
    8: Roy Hibbert(for the blocks….)
    9: Markieff Morris
    10: Elfrid Payton
    11: Mario Chalmers
    12: Terrence Ross
    13: Draymond Green

    I’m a bit short on boards(hoping Bosh goes back to his toronto days), but the real problem is the lack of SG depth on my squad. Oladipo and Ross are the only players who are eligible. i should have picked more SGs but i just couldn’t pass on Payton with the 117th pick and Chalmers with the 124th…..too much value, especially with LeBron gone…. do you guys think any of these guys are going to become SG eligible? or should i try to trade one of my PGs for a SG? if so who should i target?

    • JungMin says:
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      @JungMin: oh yeah, FYI it’s a 9-cat head to head league

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @JungMin: Haha, wow – yeah I would have no worries about a team drafting 4th and getting KD. I actually think you’re gonna be fine on boards, I do agree on SG depth though. Rookies on Yahoo always start with one position, so I could see Elfird getting it since he and Victor run the combo guards there. Chalmers I don’t think will. I’d probably just roll with that line-up for now, def not dropping anyone, and keep an eye on the wire, a SG will emerge early on. I bet Stuckey went undrafted I like him a lot, Jarrett Jack could surprise in BKN for some undrafted names to maybe star

        • JungMin says:
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          @JB Gilpin: defnitely will do! thanks for the fast reply!

    • Slim

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      @JungMin: That looks like a real good draft. 3 people really passed on Durant? That’s pretty stupid… Bosh there is OK, I don’t think his boards go up all that much. Of course Horford that late more than makes up for it. I like Jrue and Oladipo there. Favors in the 6th is unreal. I’ve seen it far too much. Calderon is just fine as a #3 PG plus Durant almost gives PG level assists. I’m not sure you needed a big shotblocker like Hibbert. But there’s some upside there and you should have a top 3/4 blocking team. Elfrid at 117 is unreal. Enjoy. I like Chalmers some too this year. I don’t mind that at all. Ross works just fine there and I think Draymond is the next Shawn Marion.

      So the only ever so slight negatives would be Hibberts uncertainty, A few boards since Bosh/Hibbert can’t be relied on for 10+ a night, and a slight lack of SG depth. The SG is easy to find on waivers, you will have a choice between several decent ones if Ross doesn’t work out. I think losing a PG for some boards wouldn’t hurt you at all in assists/steals/3s. If you could package Hibbert and Rio/Elfrid for a top 50ish big with at least 1.0 Blocks then I think you would be way ahead of the curve (not a baseball reference). Faried would be my 1st target, especially since Durant makes up for his FT shooting.

      If I had to give a number to your draft, it’s easily a 9 outta 10 draft.

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        @Slim: thanks for the great reply! okay, top 50 big it is!

  30. Patrick says:
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    yo please comment on my team, i think i got good value

    1) KD
    2) Milsap
    3) Horford
    4) MCW
    5) Oladipo
    6) Monroe
    7) Brandon Knight
    8) Frye
    9) Draymond green
    10) Meeks
    11) Henson
    12)Wright Marcus
    13) Marcus Smart

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      @Patrick: Kinda weak on ast and blocks

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Patrick: Up until Monroe, I’m in love with every one of those picks and you’re gonna dominate. Love Frye late, I have a feeling you’ll be dropping Smart early on, think you got awesome value on Henson. Those top 5 picks are absolutely dirty. Agree, you’re gonna lose AST a lot of weeks, but if Wright and Henson pan out I think you’ll be set. If Monroe went before Favors, I would maybe offer that trade.

      • Patrick says:
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        @JB Gilpin: ya ppl started to get smart after round 5, favors, markeif, jones, all my potential blockers were taken :( i’ll send a trade offer for more blocks hopefully favors owner will bite

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        @JB Gilpin: considering im on a 14 team league i’m happy

      • Patrick says:
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        @JB Gilpin: that do you think of oladipo for favors and terrence jones? the dude with favors drafted him 3rd :/

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Patrick: Ugh that sucks, people are smart drafting so far this year! Hmmm, in a 14 teamer that trade is pretty close… Would mean you’re fully punting Ast, but with a league that deep you get some really good value. But if Favors went in the 3rd round and Oldaipo the 5th, I don’t think he’ll do it!

  31. Jon says:
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    Please help me with my team. just traded conley/lin/1st round pick for lillard/4th pick. Did I overpay for lillard?

    Here’s my final team:
    16 Team H2H 9 Cat Dynasty Basketball
    PG Damian Lillard
    SG Klay Thompson
    G Reggie Jackson
    SF Lance Stephenson
    PF Anthony Davis
    F Josh Smith
    C Derrick Favors
    C Jonas Valanciunas
    Util Draymond Green
    Util Jordan Hill
    BN Nik Stauskas
    BN Vince Carter

    • Richo says:
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      @Jon: How many keepers does your league allow? What sort of quality of player goes in your first round of the draft?

      • Jon says:
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        @Richo: this has been drafted already so most probably the pick is for next year. We have to keep 3(1 under 21) player.. Traded p-bev for my jordan hill. How’s my team now? Thanks

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jon: Yeah this is a little tough to answer, all depends on what kind of pick that 1st round pick is gonna be. And since you have Stauskas, is it a first round pick next year? So I’ll compare Conley/Lin for Lillard and I like getting Lillard a lot for the youth. As long as the pick swap isn’t going to give the other team a huge value, I think I like it. Hope that helps!

      • Jon says:
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        @JB Gilpin: its a 3 keeper league(1 under 21 player). I think giving up first rounder for next year hurts since we only have to keep 3. Anyway, planning to keep lillard, davis and stauskas for nxt year.

        Anyway, have traded jordan hill for patrick beverly. Any weakness on my final team? Thanks so much..

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Jon: Aight I got ya, so 3 keepers, meaning Lillard and Davis will be your keepers for next year..Stauskas as your under 21 seems a little light even though I like him… With that under 21 caveat, it’s only the best 32 kept (and maybe a few older guys filter in) so I think you may have slightly overpaid for Lillard, but at least he helps you win now.

          Def don’t need the big man stats, like getting PBev a lot there! What I might do is try to buy low on some of the under 21 players like the big 2 rookies – if they start slow or try to get Embiid or Noel (I think he’s 20?) to upgrade that last keeper for next year. Any time!

          • Jon says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            Finally got a deal done. P Bev/Stauskas for elfrid Payton. Is that a good deal or have overpaid? getting payton will help my assist and steals . And I think Payton will not ruin my FG since he’s not a volume shooter. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Jon: Love it! I know I only have Payton a few ahead of Pbev, but I like the upgrade. Another knock on Payton is back FT shooting too, but your team is very very solid there so I think you’re good!

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                @JB Gilpin: Thanks JB. You’re a great help. Cheers!

  32. ArchVince says:
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    Good Day JB, been reading your posts a lot and it has really help me, especially in understanding/gauging the value of players.

    Anyways, I am playing in a 12 CAT (the extra CATs are A/TO Ratio, and Minutes played) in a 10 team league. I would just like to ask your opinion on what I what i did (picked) wrong and what was right, and also what can I do to improve my team?

    Here are my picks (in order/by round)
    6th pick/1st round = Melo
    2nd round = Ibaka
    3rd round = Batum
    4th round = Vucevic
    5th round = MCW
    6th round =Beal (might have reached a bit here?)
    7th round = Hibbert (needed the blocks since Vucevic doesn’t BLK a lot)
    8th round = David West
    9th round = Calderon
    10th round = Frye
    11/12/13/14 = Terrence Jones, Corey Brewer, Miles Plumlee, Draymond Green

    • JB Gilpin

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      @ArchVince: Hello sir, and thanks for stopping by, glad to have ya!

      Wow, Minutes played, that’s an interesting one… Safety of Melo def helps there. Unbelievable value on Ibaka too who plays a ton of minutes. Really the only pick I don’t like is Hibbert. The blocks def help, but he could be in a major minutes crunch if last year’s melt down carries over.

      Really everyone else looks really good to me! You got great value on Calderon (esp for A/TO) and I love MCW. I think Brewer will get minutes early, but if he starts losing time to Wiggins he will be cuttable early, and same with Miles Plumlee is he struggles. Hope that helps!

      • ArchVince says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        I might have overvalued Hibbert a bit (hoping he steps up without George), I really wanted the block badly :P Should I have gone for Tyson Chandler instead? By the time I picked up Hibbert, the only available ‘decent’ big men who were starters were Hibbert, Chandler, and Bogut.

        Also, are there any areas/CAT where my team seems weak in your opinion? I might consider trading some of players, if so which player should I consider expendable and which player should I be aiming to get?

        Thanks for the help again, looks like i’ll be visiting your site very often from now on :)

        • JB Gilpin

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          @ArchVince: Yeah big ol Roy is out of my top 100, I’m just too scared. Hoping his time with Kareem this offseason works though! I think it was with Kareem… Anyway, yeah i mighta waited for Chandler or Bogut a few rounds later.

          Let’s see, even though I love the Calderon and MCW picks, I think dimes will be a little light for you. Ibaka, Batum, Melo, Vuc – all good boarders so I think David West might be a good sell high if he starts really hot. He’s the Pacers best offense! Haha.

          Awesome man, welcome to Razzball Nation!

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            @JB Gilpin:

            Thanks man, I never thought of that, but now that i did, it kinda makes sense, David West might be a good ‘sell high’ option.

            Thanks again :)

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            Hi there JB, it’s me again. I would just like to ask regarding a trade offer I got from a different league (9 CAT), someone offered me Rondo and Dieng for Beal and Hibbert. Should I accept it?

            My current lineup in this league are:
            Lowry
            Beal
            Rubio
            Korver
            Anthony Davis
            Horford
            Brewer
            Tyson Chandler
            Hibbert
            Knight
            Draymond Green
            Teletovic
            Diaw

            • JB Gilpin

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              @ArchVince: Glad to help! Hmm, looks like a little deeper league… Man it’s really close. I think given my apprehension for Hibbert and Beal is not a huge multi-cat guy beyond the points and treys, I’d do it!

  33. Count Macula says:
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    Thanks for putting this list together! I’ve been looking for a place with some good discussion on how players will fare for the upcoming season.What do you guys think about Ryan Anderson’s role, Darren Collison’s value, and how Danilo will do after being off for so long. Also who else is scared of taking Cousins for their first pick?

    My input on your rankings:

    Love that you have Millsap & Horford so high. I agree.

    I understand John Wall’s upside, but it’s seems like that’s really all he’s had going for him the last several years now. At the projections you have him at, he’s definitely not worth a top-10 pick. Last year he finished in 9-cat at #27 according to bballmonster, and your projections are only marginally better. I’d consider taking him around pick 20-25.

    FYI- 09-10 was the only year Rondo finished in the top-50 in 9-cat (#37). That’d be his ABSOLUTE best-case-scenario ceiling for me. He’s 28 now, so how sure are you that he’s even still improving? And here are his game totals for the last 4 years: 68/82 53/66 38/82 30/82. I’d be way more conservative and rank him closer to #100 coming off an injury and potentially unhappythey’ll be vying for the #1 pick next year. Holler.

    Thad Young- too low. Remember that there’s a huge offensive void formerly occupied by Love. Wiggins and Rubio certainly won’t be scoring a ton this year. Add to this that coach Saunders is known as a offensive guy that preaches lots of ball movement and screens- this plays to Thad’s strengths I think. Of course it all depends on how much of a free reign they give him on steals, but I assume if they let Rubio do it they’ll let Thad gamble as much as he wants to as well.

    Bosh was ranked top 20 & 25 the last two years. I don’t think there’s any way he does worse than that post-Lebron.

    Jrue has never finished better than #54, you’ve got him too high. Almost a no-win gamble at that rank.

    Oladipo is awesome with tons of upside, but unless he gets 4 steals per-game and fixes his FG% and adds more 3pts and gets more rebounds and etc. there’s no way I touch him in the top-50 let alone where you have him. Last year he didn’t even break the top 120 -bballmonster.

    Giannis & MCW: same as my blurb for Oladipo, and again, I understand the upside and excitement in real life- I just disagree with you as to how this translates into fantasy value. I have both ranked much, much farther back.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Count Macula: Thanks for dropping by! Love talking hoops with anyone who likes to talk fantasy.

      Ryan Anderson – I think at least 30 MPG as the 6th man. Asik starts, but Anderson plays most of the 4th quarter. One of those sort of roles like JR Smith ya know?

      Darren Collison – Lovvvvvve him for the value this year. Not going to blow anything away and not a huge dimer, but should be a really consistent PG who was paid consistent starter minutes – not worried about McCallum. Nice steals too.

      Danilo Gallinari – Got him in the 100s, think there’s pretty good bounce back potential but not reaching. I think he went top 100 in my RCL draft (first real draft I’ve done) and that seemed a little reachy. Since he’s so long off the surgery, I think he should be solid.

      Hawks bigs – Nice!

      John Wall – If Slim sees this I’ll let him talk about projections, but I think he’s mad consistent and ahead of that PG tier that I have starting with Dragic/Kyrie etc. Why I’d reach. He also had a slightly worse 2nd half, think he can go strong a full season.

      Rajon Rondo – I am well aware, someone else had commented that as well. My response is don’t fall into the fallacy of blindly following total ranks. It’s about building a team and Rondo’s category killing assists in a year where they’re tough to come by past the top 3ish rounds can’t be ignored. Plus he’s added a perimeter game and I think scores a lot. %s won’t be there and I don’t think he total season value will be at that rank, but he’s worth that pick. 09-10 he didn’t have a the 3 ball which would help his 9 cat value. 100 would a – never happen and b – discounts what he brings to a fantasy team in value.

      Thaddeus Young – So 55 is too low… I mean, I buy late 40s, and that seems about the consensus, and then I’m not that different. I don’t like the change and the Sixers with that fast paced offense gave him more shots/points and more defensive possessions, hence the ridiculous steals. I don’t think the Wolves will quite play like that, even though they are a more fast-tempo team than others.

      Chris Bosh – Yeah I’ve commented several times in my first update I’ll move him up: http://basketball.razzball.com/top-pf-2014-15-fantasy-basketball-tiers Sometimes you figure things out after hashing and re-hashing them out! Haha.

      Jrue Holiday – That’s picking from only Sixers seasons. As I mention in my blurb, once he finally gelled with the Pels that line in his final month was nasty. So many better offensive players around him than the Sixers seasons. Only looking at the past will make you miss on a ton of guys.

      Victor Oladipo – Same as above. Of course he didn’t get top 120, his minutes, role, starting vs. not starting all were in flux. He’s got the keys to the O this year. Magic won’t be great this year, but they’re going to be decent if everyone stays healthy. Maybe 10th or 11th in the East.

      Giannis/MCW – Same as last two. You have to project for upside and growth or else you’re only picking decent vets and vets in decline. MCW is gonna be a monster, that’s me on a limb, Giannis is going to be at the very least serviceable, and at his rank in the high 80s, it’s not like you’re passing on studs.

      Love the debates, and glad to have ya!

    • Slim

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      @Count Macula:

      I’m less into Ryan Anderson than JB. That injury scares me and at his current ADP there is no way that gamble feels reasonable.

      I like Collison at the same spot JB has him, maybe 6th-7th in a 12er, a 3rd PG ideally.

      I’m passing on Danillo. Too big of an injury, if he comes back and plays solid then I’ll consider him next year.

      Millsap especially is far too low everywhere. People are getting him in the 3rd which is a huge bargain in my opinion.

      Wall’s overall rank gets hurt by FG% and TOs, for a guy giving that many stats it’s to be expected. My biggest issue with overall ranks is that it treats them equally which I highly disagree with. A top 10 rebounder is no where near as important as a top 10 assister. The reason I would take Wall over say Melo is because I feel like Melo’s best categories are the easiest to find throughout the year. Everyone scores points, gets a few boards, and 3-pt shooters are a dime a dozen. Only a handful get assists and even less add blocks to high end assists. Wall compared to the next group of PGs like Lillard/Dragic is pretty drastic to me. 2+ APG, high end steals, a 3, plus at least half a block. When I rank PGs I almost always move them up higher than their projected overall ranking. I feel like the lack of options makes the high end ones more important.

      Rondo’s added 3-ball is interesting but it brings down his FG% far too much. Rondo probably doesn’t make it on my team because there are safer PGs in the 3rd round. If we rank him outside of the top 40 then I think that guarantees we wouldn’t get him. So yeah, for that one it’s a personal call and I would be shocked if he lands on my team.

      I’m way off Thad this year. I don’t think he finishes in the top 50 at all and I’m sure my projections look that way. I’m working on a Thad v Parson post and I’m pretty sure Parsons is going to destroy him. I think Wiggins does score well this year. I agree there’s a big offensive void but I don’t think it goes to one person. I think the talent level on Minny is so much better that Thaddeus reverts more to his 12-13 numbers.

      I think Bosh scores a few more points but since he doesn’t have LeBron giving him easy shots the FG% could come crashing down. I don’t think he all of a sudden starts rebounding better and steals/blocks are what they are. I think less 3s since he will need to play in the block more. Maybe he facilitates a little more, with more TOs. Overall I think his value remains about the same with a slightly different looking stat line.

      I like Jrue in the 4th, a #2 PG. I am also looking more at what he did in his short stint for the Pelicans than what he did in Philly. There’s some risk with his injury but it sounds like he’s going to be good to go. Maybe his overall value doesn’t quite make top 50 but that doesn’t mean he won’t be much more useful than say DeRozan.

      I lurve me some Oladipo, I see him more in the 4th round and if he falls to the 5th and I’m looking for a combo guard I’m going to be thrilled. I think the high end steals pretty much guarantees a top 50 rank. I probably built in a fair amount of growth into his projection but I still don’t think I projected his ceiling which the minutes should be there for potentially hitting it.

      I think JB is a little high on MCW. There’s some injury concern which drops him a fair amount for me. I’d be looking for him in the 5th probably but I’m betting that means I don’t get him. One of the things I like about him is how well he fits into many different punting strategies. FG%, FT%, or TOs. Take out any one of those categories and he’s gotta be top 50 with the steals, blocks, and high end boards for a PG… per my projections. Which honestly is all I focus on at this point.

      Giannis is the ultimate upside gamble. In the 8th round in a 12er there aren’t really any sure bets left and I don’t know if anyone outside of the top 50 has as much pure talent as Antetok. If we wait till a pick in the 100s he’s surely to be gone.

      Good stuff. I enjoy the conversation and I have no problem having my thoughts questioned. Keep it comin.

  34. Jay says:
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    8 player H2H league (mock draft).

    1. Stephen Curry
    2. Serge Ibaka
    3. Kawhi Leonard
    4. Rajon Rondo
    5. Michael Carter-Williams
    6. Marc Gasol
    7. Monta Ellis
    8. Derrick Favors
    9. David Lee
    10. Jose Calderon
    11. Greg Monroe
    12. John Henson
    13. Giannis Antetokounmpo

    What do y’all think and where could I improve?

    • Jay says:
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      And also… can either of you (Slim or JB) offer some insight on the best strategy/pairings for the first two or three rounds? Much appreciated!

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Jay: Pretty nasty team even for an 8 teamer. Really not too many weaknesses, but then again in an 8 teamer all teams probably look really good. Love the MCW pick! Really don’t see any one area, maybe a little heavy in blocks and boards so you could sell high on Henson if he pans out or sell Gasol if you played this league out. Well, I’m getting Millsap in the 2nd in all leagues, and he really fits with anyone. And def trying to get an elite PG. My RCL draft of Curry/Millsap I loved, but I did miss on other high end blocks guys. Hope some of that helped!

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          @JB Gilpin: Would you get Millsap second even in an 8 team league assuming other comparable or better players (EX: Melo, Serge, etc.) are available?

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            @Jay: Nah sorry i meant for 12ers, and assuming no one huge fell, 3rd round should get you him in 8 team leagues most of the time and would adjust to target him there

  35. Kris says:
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    Roti league:

    Kemba Walker
    James Harden
    DeMar DeRozan
    Gordon Hayward
    Dwight Howard
    Andre Drummond
    Roy Hibbert
    Miles Plumlee
    Reggie Jackson
    Jamal Crawford
    K.J. McDaniels
    Dion Waiter
    Kelly Olynyk

    H2H:

    Kemba Walker
    Gordon Hayward
    Reggie Jackson
    Paul Pierce
    Al Jefferson
    Blake Griffin
    Roy Hibbert
    John Henson
    Giannis Antetokounmpo
    Terrence Jones
    Bench:
    Toy Wroten
    Mirza Teletovic
    Ray McCallum
    K.J. McDaniels
    Kris Humphries

    I really do need help, guys. :)) Hope to hear from you soon! :)

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Kris: Hey there! Roto team – FT punting in Roto is really, really really hard. Since they’re usually 9 categories (if it’s more then you can semi-disregard), then you’re taking a 1 in FT and means you have to be near the top in the others to win the league. Drummond with low volume shouldn’t hurt the FT nearly as bad, so I could never have Dwight on a roto league – sell if you can! A little light on assists and you should smoke the field in blocks, so try to trade Dwight for a PG.

      H2H – Pretty nasty team. Probably losing assists most weeks, but even with Blake should win TO a lot of weeks. Def try to pick up a PG as soon as the best becomes available, but I don’t think it’s a pressing issue.

      Hope that helps, good luck this year!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks, man. BIG HELP! I really want to win GOLD in that ROTO!

        Also, I hope you don’t mind if I use this space for another question.

        I have a habit of drafting bigs first so in the latter part of the draft I’m having trouble selecting SG, and yes, definitely SFs, since there is only a small pool of good SFs in the league (I mean fantasy wise.). So do you have a standard draft type on how you select players for a certain position. I draft base on what benefits the team from my first 3-5 picks and not just go for an all-star line-up.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Kris: Sweet glad to help! We’ll help bring ya that title!

          Well I usually like to draft balanced teams, so I tend to not have a roster comp issue. I think if you’re drafting bigs and having no problem with PG depth you like too, I wouldn’t worry too much about not having SG/SF depth. The wings always pop up on the wire, and wings come out of no where a lot more than PG/C. So I guess my strategy is be sure I have PG and C early, and if I hadn’t gotten any SG or SF, I get some of the sleepers I like later and still like the team. i.e. Giannis, Terrence Jones, Brewer, and Rodney Stucky is a guy I’ve been easily getting in all leagues.

  36. Smush9 says:
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    sup guys! i’m a new reader here. a friend introduced me to this site a couple weeks back and he told me this is one of the best kept secrets of fantasy sports. and he was right. haha. wouldn’t have been able to draft with confidence last week without you guys. so thanks and keep bein awesome at what you do! by the way, sorry i sent this comment twice. typed up my email wrong in the first one.

    anyway, you think you could judge my team? we play roto, 9-cat, 14 teams. honestly…i’m not sure how to feel bout how my daft went. haha. felt like i screwed up a couple things. i’ll let you guys judge for yourself. don’t hold back, burn me if you have to. haha. i picked 4th by the way, and the drafting order was snaking.

    Steph Curry
    Mike Conley
    Nikola Vucevic
    Nerlens Noel
    Marcin Gortat
    Arron Afflalo
    Channing Frye
    Mirza Teletovic
    Josh McRoberts
    Terrence Ross
    Kendall Marshall
    Vince Carter
    Nik Stauskas

    i should have gone with Favors instead of Noel. no excuses, i screwed up. i had Noel on the queue list and didn’t notice Favors was still available. also, McRoberts was a mistake. my internet died on me (a common problem where i am, rep’n from Cebu, Philippines!) and McRoberts was also on my queue thus he got autopicked. i like him this year but i know i got him too early. and i know i badly reached for Teletovic, but i’m hopin he gets the starting nod. but my team changed looks a week later coz of a trade. i gave away Vucevic, Ross, and Stauskas for Matthews, Monroe, and Mason Plumlee. so my team now looks like:

    Conley, Curry, Afflalo, Matthews, Frye, Monroe, Noel, Gortat, McRoberts, Plumlee, Teletovic, Marshall, Carter.

    soooo, whaty’all think? how bad does my team look? haha. thank you guys again for your awesome work! huge fan here!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Smush9: Whats up Smush? You’re not Smush Parker by chance, are you? Haha. Glad to have you aboard!

      So in the draft, love you went PG PG early. Especially in 14 teams, assists are gonna dry up. Since you had pretty nice bigs, I dunno if I woulda gotten Gortat then Afflalo seems about where I have him, but I seem to be passing every time I get. I think your late picks are all solid, McRoberts is fine for what he is even if it was an accident… Glad to have you reppin Philippines though!

      Interesting trade, you give up the best guy, but get a ton more value and upside from Plumlee back. I think having Curry/Matthews (with Conley, Fyre, and VC) has you a little too heavy on treys. While I like Matthews value (and same with Frye), I think I’d try to trade one of those for one more PG. Frye for Elfird? Might not be able to get that done. Matthews and Fry forrrr, Kemba? I dunno something like that.

      Solid team though and we’re glad to help ya get that title!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        thanks for the quick reply man! too awesome. haha. and nope, but i did in fact get the name from him all those years ago. back when Kobe was blessed to have had him as his backcourt mate. hahaha. by the way, ‘your mom’, is my friend who suggested that i visit this site. we’re competing in the same league. we discussed that trade of his before he posted on here. hahaha.

        i got Gortat coz i felt i needed one more big with blocks to solidify my frontcourt. unless my eyes deceived me again, i don’t think there was really anybody else available at that point. i just hope he beats the odds and stays healthy this year. as for the trade, yeah, that’s what i was thinkin. with how deep our league is, felt like i was getting more value. and yes, agreed, plumlee was actually what pushed me off the edge to go with the trade. crossin my fingers for a ton of minutes for him this year! but i do agree that i kinda went nuts on the trey hoarding. will definitely try to pull something off like you suggested.

        again, huge thanks for your help! pass on my thanks to Slim as well. would love to keep you a hidden gem, but y’all definitely deserve more hits!

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        @JB Gilpin: just an update guys. someone offered me darren collison for afflalo. pulled the trigger immediately. hated it tho. been an afflalo fan since his playing days in Bruins. at least i’ll be getting his running mate lol

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Smush9: Haha yeah stickin with the UCLA guys! Sorry usually faster with comments, just out of town for a few more days.

          Smush vs. your mom! Gotta let me know how those match ups go, best rivalry ever.

          Def like Collison even with Sessions signed by SAC. Sessions getting signed I think is more an indictment of McCallum than Collison, Might be scaring people, but I’m not too worried.

          Glad you both are stopping by, we don’t like the hits as much as just talkin hoops!

          • Smush9 says:
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            @JB Gilpin: no prob man. y’all stay safe out there wherever you are. haha.

            i’ll definitely update you as the season goes on. should be real fun.

            yes, exactly! the other guys in the league told me the same thing bout him losing minutes, but i told them exactly what you said. i guess SAC just doesn’t trust McCallum yet. to run the second unit. either way, really happy with my team. for now, anyway. haha.

            right on! really happy i found a place where i can have smart discussions bout all things basketball. thanks again, bro!

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Smush9: Any time Mr. Parker haha! Hope to be seein ya through the season!

              • Smush9 says:
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                @JB Gilpin: Hey guys, just pulled off another trade. Gave up Monroe, Teletovic, and Marshall for Antetok and Dieng. Thoughts? Also, picked up McCollum. Thanks!

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                  @Smush9: Love it! I like Anteok over Monroe anyway, and Dieng has so much more upside than those other 2 you dealt. Ross/Curry/Conley is plenty of treys, so no problem getting rid of Mirza.

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                    @JB Gilpin: Phew, thanks for the support on the trade. Haha. But yeah, lookin forward to owning both Dieng and Antetok. Hope their upsides come to fruition. Oh and i don’t have Ross anymore, but like you said, 3s are good with Curry, Wes Matthews, Frye, etc. And i decided to pick up Ramon Sessions instead as a handcuff to Collison. And i dropped VC for Marvin Williams.

                    • JB Gilpin

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                      @Smush9: Yup totally with the Sessions add. VC and Marvin Williams seem about the same player haha. Funny since they’re both Heels! I have em VC 157 Marvin 167 but that late they’re virtually the same rank :)

  37. your mom says:
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    nice rankings. which side is better? lebron/favors/patbev or aljeff/westbrook/jabari in a deep roto league? would love to hear your opinion. thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @your mom: Thanks man! I mean, mom, glad you’re reading mom! Haha I like Jefferson side. Lebron is the best player, but the deeper you get, the more total value matters. And Big AL+West is right there with LeBron+Favors, and getting Parker for PBev puts it over the edge, I’ll def take right side!

      • your mom says:
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        @JB Gilpin: that’s my boy! thanks man!

  38. kenny kelly says:
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    If the rumors are true and Eric Bledsoe does go to the T’Wolves, does that change your ranking of him?

    • Slim

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      @kenny kelly: I can’t think too long about rumors there’s just too many but… I don’t think if Bledsoe were traded it would hurt his value, no matter where that would be. Injury concern is his biggest buggaboo and I don’t think a theoretical bigger role would necessarily be a good thing in terms of him staying healthy for 75+ games.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @kenny kelly: Seems like the rumors have been debunked. But I would’ve hated it. No more assists next to Rubio!

  39. Johnny says:
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    Love the content on this site. It helped me on my draft day a lot. This site was opened during draft day so I can refer to it every pick. I was wondering if I can get some feedback on my team. I’m in a 12 man league, with 9 categories ( FT percentage was replaced with FT made, which makes players like Dwight and Drummond get picked a little higher lol). I feel like my team is good, but there’s cats I can improve on, and I was wondering which pieces I should trade to get improvements on those cats. Also, I want to mention I was pick number 6.
    1). James Harden
    2). Chris Bosh
    3). Al Horford
    4). Nikola Vucevic
    5). Jrue Holiday
    6). Gordon Hayward
    7). Brandon Jennings (All the PGs were almost gone my next best option was Trey Burke and Lin if I held out any longer on PGs lol)
    8). Jimmy Butler
    9). Markieff Morris (I’ve noticed a lot of people that use this draft site draft Markieff)
    10). Terrence Jones
    11). Elfrid Payton
    12). Patrick Beverly
    13). Miles Plumlee
    14). Enes Kanter
    15). C.J Miles

    For sure, I’m going to be losing in TOs every week.
    Noticeable players on Free Waivers: KJ McDaniels, Solomin Hill, PJ Tucker, Courtney Lee, Marvin Williams, T.J Warren, Anthony Morrow.

    Thanks so much in advance!

    • Slim

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      @Johnny: Nice. Fresh Meat! Let’s see by category…

      FG% – Definitely not going to be your best category. It’s tough to predict week to week so it’s always tough.
      FT Made – Harden is high end still. Hayward is solid. I think this is probably a middle of the pack category.
      3pt Made – Maybe a little light. Miles should help but again I think this is close to middle of the pack.
      Points – Pretty good. Bigs all score. Plenty of upside. This is in the top 3rd I bet.
      Rebounds -This one shouldn’t be a problem either. Kanter, Plumlee late could be really helpful and Marieff, Jones, Elfrid is better than anyone elses 9-10-11 picks. Maybe some extra here.
      Assists – Different since a lot comes from wings but it should be middle of the pack if Jennings works out and Elfrid is who I hope he is. Otherwise you could find yourself digging for assists.
      Steals – Bigs that steal, Wings steal, Butler is high end. You are top 3rd here too.
      Blocks – Not a big shot blocker to be found and I don’t think it quite adds up to middle of the pack. More work to be done here.
      TOs – Might be high, doesn’t seem out of hand though.

      I think ideally we’re looking to add some shot blocking, maybe a few more 3s. I like McDaniels upside in both. The drop I think would be either Kanter or Plumlee. It isn’t an easy call… I say hold for now but those are the categories I’d look to improve through a trade and if KJ definitely starts then pounce as quickly as you can.

      • Johnny says:
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        @Slim:

        Thanks for the feedback Slim, much appreciated and woke me up to what I was missing. Can’t believe I didn’t focus on more cats during my draft. Focused too much on names and rankings.
        Draymond Green was dropped to waivers earlier and was wondering if I should pick him up and for who. Since, I need improvement on blocks Plumlee shouldn’t be dropped since he averaged 1.1 blocks per game. So I’m deciding between CJ miles and Kanter. Kanter doesn’t help in the cats I need help in which is 3s and blocks, but his upside might be to good to drop (Or I might be high thinking this). I’m also thinking if I drop CJ, since his minutes win’t kick in right away, I can just totally give up on 3s and slightly improve my blocks with Green. What should i do? Can’t hold off on a guy like Draymond Green.

        Thanks in advance!

        • Johnny says:
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          Actually on second thought Plumlee can’t block shots on a consistent basis so I’m leaning towards dropping him,since Kanter can score consistently with minutes.

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            @Johnny: I would drop Kanter for draymond. You don’t really need scoring and rebounding, and that’s all kanter does. Plumlee has almost no one competing for minutes and he gets some blks/rebounds. Also kanter has gobert and trevor booker backing up him and favors, so they could take some minutes away.

            • Johnny says:
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              @CTMN:

              Yeah I thought about that, just shipped Jennings and Kanter for Calderon and Gallinari. Gallinari is listed as out so I can put him in IR and allows me to pick up Draymond without dropping anyone.

              • Slim

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                @Johnny: It’s better than dropping Kanter and I do believe Calderon is an upgrade. Good trade. Draymond is the guy I would add too, KJ is fine. He’s pretty much Draymond Green with more risk.

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                  @Slim: I still have a few hours until waiver processes. Deciding between KJ and Draymond is really hard. They’re so similar but I believe KJ might get more minutes in the 76ers and Green is behind Lee and Iggy.

      • Johnny says:
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        @Slim: You think trading Jennings/Kanter for Gallinari/Calderon and picking up KJ Mcdaniels was a good idea?

  40. Mr. K says:
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    Hello first time poster.

    Playing in a 16-team dynasty league that has been running for many years now. 8 category. 12 roster spots where we keep 6/12 and redraft the remaining spots.

    My keepers going in are
    Westbrook, Kyrie, Kawhi, Jonas, Marc Gasol, Drummond.

    I have the second pick of the draft, most likely will be drafting Jabari Parker. My buddy loves this guy and is offering Ibaka. Thinking I should take the sure thing and say yes. Thoughts?

    Next question, in talks with another team regarding Kevin Love. I proposed Jonas/Drummond for Love/Afflalo.

    I am weary of Drummond’s FT attempts increasing with time. And the pairing of Love + Irving could be interesting. If I do this trade, getting Ibaka would make up for Love’s defensive weakness. Thoughts?

    • Mr. K says:
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      **ROTO league format

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        @Mr. K: Hello there welcome to Razzball Nation! I’m usually on comments a ton every day but out of town right now.

        Hells yea! I’m taking Ibaka. Doesn’t seem like it, but Serge JUST turned 25 this past week (happy bday!) so it’s not like he’s old. And injuries don’t phase him like that calf strain he got over right away in the playoffs.

        The trade is a tough one though. Drummond could really improve and is young and you don’t get much youth back. I know Love isn’t that old, but he’s had injury issues and towards his peak. Which might not even seem like a peak in CLE. Maybe ask for a better return than Afflalo with Love? I think I’d try for a tony bit more, Drummond is the love child of many fantasy owners haha.

        Hope that helps and glad you dropped by! Let us know how your draft went!

    • Slim

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      @Mr. K: I don’t hate either idea. Obviously Parker isn’t worth half an Ibaka so that’s a for sure trade.

      As for the other trade… I do agree to shop Drummond a little more but Love is still a 1st rounder and ultimately, in Roto especially, I’m making that trade too.

  41. Mr. K says:
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    In a ROTO setup though I foresee Drummond’s impact being capped like a Howards. He will just take a toll so much on FT %.

    Another option in this dynasty league is to go after Cousins instead of Love. Cousins only avged 32 min a game last year and was a beast. He is on the rise!

    I am only interested in Love because I already have Irving.

    • Slim

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      @Mr. K: Gimme Cousins!!! They’re different obviously but I’ll take Cousins steals/blocks/FG% over Loves 3s/FT% all day long. Especially with Drummond shipped away.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Mr. K: Yup me too! Def want Cousins long term. I like the idea of pairing Love with Irving, but when LeBron takes all the shots, they’ll be quiet some nights. Drummond luckily doesn’t take a big volume of FT (at least he hasn’t yet, but teams could hack a Shaq) so he doesn’t hurt you there as much, but yea still like Cuz

  42. Jay says:
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    How sure are you guys about these rankings by the way? I keep doing mocks via ESPN and, even following this list, still never seem to end up anywhere near the top (unless ESPN’s projections are way off).

    • Slim

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      @Jay: I looked up 3 guys…

      Markieff Morris, ESPN has him losing minutes with Frye gone. Down to 24. I’m saying 32. That’s a big difference.

      Terrence Jones, losing minutes with Parsons, Asik gone. 25 min. I have him at 30 min and getting better not worse. ESPN has both quitting shooting 3s. I’m pretty sure both are working on shooting more 3s.

      Paul Millsap. Improving across the board. He must be ranked high. 35th!?! They have Kobe Bryant ranked ahead of him and playing… 37 minutes.

      Yeah I disagree with their projections.

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        @Slim: Makes sense. What’s your opinion on this roster for an 8 team H2H 10 category league?

        1. Stephen Curry
        2. Serge Ibaka
        3. Paul Millsap
        4. Michael Carter-Williams
        5. Ricky Rubio
        6. Monta Ellis
        7. Derrick Favors
        8. Wesley Matthews
        9. Pau Gasol
        10. Brandon Jennings
        11. Trevor Ariza
        12. Larry Sanders
        13. Jameer Nelson

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Jay: Yeah Slim hit on a lot of guys both of us like a ton, ESPN projections tend to be backward looking instead of forward looking in my opinion. Like those minutes for Kobe or not factoring in expanding roles.

          I absolutely love that team. I think I’m about the highest in the industry on MCW, Rubio and Favors you got great value from, same with Gasol, only pick I don’t love is BJ but I think you hit every cat without many weaknesses and should be playoff bound at the least!

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            @JB Gilpin: The boys at rotowire ranked MCW 5th or 6th in h2h!

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              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Richo: 5th or 6th round right? That’s crazy talk!

  43. Joe says:
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    Doing some mocks. Which team looks better?

    TEAM 1 (Pick 5)

    1. Chris Paul (LAC – PG)
    2. Blake Griffin (LAC – PF,C)
    3. Al Horford (Atl – PF,C)
    4. Chandler Parsons (Dal – SF,PF)
    5. Victor Oladipo (Orl – PG,SG)
    6. David West (Ind – PF)
    7. Kevin Martin (Min – SG,SF)
    8. Tyson Chandler (Dal – C)
    9. Taj Gibson (Chi – PF,C)
    10. Jeremy Lin (LAL – PG,SG)
    11. Alec Burks (Uta – PG,SG)
    12. Mirza Teletovic (Bkn – SF,PF)
    13. Vince Carter (Mem – SG,SF)

    TEAM 2 (Pick 10)

    1. Demarcus Cousins
    2. Goran Dragic
    3. Ty Lawson
    4. Nikola Vucevic
    5. Derrick Favors
    6. Wesley Matthews
    7. Darren Collison
    8. Luol Deng
    9. Taj Gibson’
    10. Markieff Morris
    11. Alec Burks
    12. John Henson
    13. Mirza Teletovic

    Tried to stay balanced within cats and positions. So which is better, and why?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Joe: I like both, and definitely trying to get off the fence and say I like both evenly haha… I’ll take the first, but marginally, and I think it’s just because the higher pick. Even though PG is so weak, since Paul is elite there I like the top 3 of 1 over 2. Definitely like the big men better on team 2 which makes them very close to even, and both have good PG overall, so yeah the top 3 picks narrowly swing me to team 1

  44. M.A says:
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    hey guys great rankings, dont know where id be without them…
    I drafted Horford with pick 32, which i was very very happy about. Millsap went the pick before and i feel i could trade for him and get a good deal. What are your thoughts on getting two big men from Atlanta.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @M.A: Awesome glad they’re helping! Whoa, sick value for Horford! Those two would be a pretty dynamite pair, as I mention in the ranks, Millsap had his best month the final month Horford played, so they’re definitely not going to hurt each other. Also Horford was playing arguably the best ball of his career last year. Love the route of trying to pair them!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks mate, will try.
        This is the team i have drafted but am open to trading nearly any of them.

        1. Russell Westbrook (OKC – PG)
        2. Serge Ibaka (OKC – PF,C)
        3. Al Horford (Atl – PF,C)
        4. Nikola Vucevic (Orl – PF,C)
        5. Ricky Rubio (Min – PG)
        6. Michael Carter-Williams (Phi – PG)
        7. Ryan Anderson (NO – PF,C)
        8. Andrew Wiggins (Min – SF)
        9. J.J. Redick (LAC – SG)
        10. Markieff Morris (Pho – PF,C)
        11. Reggie Jackson (OKC – PG,SG)
        12. Draymond Green (GS – SF)
        13. John Henson (Mil – PF,C)

        If you could help me with my strengths and weaknesses, and who do try and get rid of that would be awesome. As always keep up the good work. League setting are just the average ones, 12 team 9 cat H2H.

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          @M.A:

          @JB Gilpin
          @Slim

        • Slim

          Slim says:
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          @M.A: I can’t find a single weakness… and I’m trying. FG% is solid yet unspectacular. FT% is real nice. 3PTM is high. Points are great. Boards are great. Assists are good. Steals are great. Blocks are good. TOs aren’t terrible. There’s youth, upside, minimal injury concern. It’s a great team. I can’t come up with one or 2 categories I would look to improve. I think this team is nasty. Your league mates are in trouble.

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            @Slim:

            @JB GIlPin

            Wow haha thanks heaps. Cant beleive that!! Ive been offered a few trades lately and just wondering if i should consider some of them…

            Trade 1 Wall for Westbrook

            Trade 2 Dirk for Rubio and Markieff Morris

            Trade 3 Millsap, Oladipo for Vucevic and Anderson. possibly somebody else as well.

            Cheers for all the help.

            • Slim

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              @M.A:

              Trade 1. Very similar players but I do like Wall ever so slightly more.

              Trade 2. I don’t like it. Sure you get the best player but it’s a huge hit to assists and I love me some Markieff. I would need to get a solid PG back before I consider it.

              Trade 3. Yes Yes Yes!!! I’m not sure who else he would want back but I think that’s a league winning kind of trade right there. You could afford to throw in Jackson, Henson, Green, or I wouldn’t mind giving Redick either if that’s who he wants.

  45. Loler says:
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    Hey Slim and JB, thanks for the great work again this year. I guess the secret’s out about RazzBall but still, I ain’t sharin’! LOL Just like last season, I followed almost all of your advices and ended up in me coming 2nd in both of my money leagues. This year, I wanted to start right and immediately checked your Draft Rankings this season.

    I am in a money league with 9 of my friends – 10 teams, 9-cat – and have a 16-man roster with 13 playing slots and 3 bench spots.

    This is how I drafted:

    PG – John Wall
    SG – James Harden
    G – Brandon Knight
    G – Brandon Jennings
    SF – Rudy Gay
    PF – Derrick Favors
    F – Gerald Green
    F – John Henson
    C – DeMarcus Cousins
    C – Andrew Bogut
    Util – Corey Brewer
    Util – Andrea Bragnani
    Util – Rodney Stuckey
    Bn – Patrick Beverley
    Bn – Kelly Olynyk
    Bn – Draymond Green

    We drafted Auction BTW. What are your thoughts about which trades I should go for to improve this team. I feel like my FG, TOs and FTs are terrible.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Loler: glad to see ya back man! Glad we got ya in the money! As long as you keep visiting through the year, we’re good with that!

      Wow, ummmm, that team is absolutely nasty! While you only have one of the solid PG, Harden for the out of position assists makes up for it. Your big men are awesome, you have elite front end guys, it’s how I would auction with more of the stars and scrubs type play.

      Only guys I don’t like are BJ and Gerald Green. They will help your FG% and TO concern if you dump em. Maybe find a team that has 3-4 of the top 30ish PG and pair them forrrrr, Calderon? Might seem like overpaying but a guy like that. Even though you got a lot of big names, I like the rest if your roster too. Nice work!

      • Loler says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Jennings + Green for Calderon + 1 then? The guy who has Calderon barely has any decent assist guy in his team, it might actually work. Haha! I’ve been seriously thinking about trading Jennings because he kills 2 cats. I’ve been dangling him as bait but so far no one’s been biting.

        If in any case the Calderon deal won’t go through, who else should I be looking out for? I’ll definitely pacakge those 2. I’m iffy about Gerald Green’s minutes this year with a healthy Bledsoe.

        • Slim

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          @Loler: So we need to come up with some kind of promotion… Refer a new reader get… I don’t know.

          Yep I would make that move even if the +1 was a drop. I like Calderon much better than Jennings and Green scares the bejesus out of me with playing time. If Teague was drafted low enough I’d make a run at him with those 2. Collison too but the +1 should be a decent player in that trade.

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            @Slim: I told some of my other friends about your site but not the ones I always compete with. And I don’t think with content being this good that it’ll take a lot of time for people to not to come here. :)

            Seems like the people in my league are not moving before the season actually starts. I actually offered the same package to the owner of Jeff Teague and Darren Collison. Both declined. :( I still have the 3 trades pending – 1) Calderon + Nick Young; 2) Kemba; 3) MCW. Surprisingly, Kemba and MCW have very bad reps in our circle so I am really hoping this deal would push through and end up stealing a solid #2 PG behind Wall.

            On another note, should I be punting TOs? I feel like I should but a dud in one cat and uncertainty in the other cats may put my team into a hole that I can’t get out off later in the season. Still hoping that Wall would pay dividends this year and Jennings shoots better than 39% if I do end up with him.

            I also have Bargnani and Olynyk in my team right now but Kanter, Matt Barnes and Teletovic are all available for pick ups, should I be reaching? If so, who should I drop and who should I pick up?

            Thanks for the comments in advance!

            • Slim

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              @Loler: TOs is a category I punt out of necessity, not by plan, and it does look like you won’t be winning that too often. I wouldn’t avoid anyone because they have high TOs and take the category one week at a time.

              All 5 of those guys have some upside. I’d rank them… Kanter, Bargnani, Olynyk, a large gap due to playing time concerns, Barnes, Teletovic. So Olynyk v Kanter? Close, but I’ll take Kanter.

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                @Slim: What do you think the situation would be in Phoenix and Minny? I have both Gerald Green and Corey Brewer. Both players I think are in limbo right now and might be really good candidates for getting dropped.

                I don’t really see Green getting more than 20 minutes a game this season if Bledsoe manages to stay healthy. He sure as hell won’t get a lot of Tucker’s minutes because they just paid Tucker a lot of money.

                Corey Brewer’s situation is somehow different from Green. He is the definition of a fringe player this year, I think. His contributions are solid but at the same time, Minny might be looking to completely reboot their offence and defence with their additions. It would be interesting if Brewer could thrive in the 2nd unit playing 20 or so odd minutes.

                Would you consider dropping these 2, and for who? I’m looking at Barnes for Brewer and Teletovic for Green. Teletovic has a legitimate chance at getting more minutes because of grandpa KG and a lack of depth in that position for Brooklyn. Barnes can be solid if he manages to stay healthy.

  46. Richo says:
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    Hoping to make a pod!
    9cat, h2h, 14teamer

    Pick 5- Curry
    Pick 24- Kawhi
    Pick 33- Millsap
    Pick 52- Drummo
    Pick 61- Jrue
    Pick 80- Wiggins
    Pick 89- Deron
    Pick 108- Giannis
    Pick 117- Henson
    Pick 136- Draymond
    Pick 145- KCP

    *traded Wiggins>J-Smoov
    *Deron to IR and picked up McBob

    My roster is:
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
    C
    G
    F/C

    4x bench

    Finding myself dominant at PG with Curry, Jrue and Deron.. That’s if Curry gets SG eligibility with ESPN.

    Interested in your opinion of dual position for these guys: Curry, Kawhi, Draymond, Smithy, Millsap, Drummo and Henson.

    I’ll be stuffed at SG if Kawhi or Curry aren’t eligible like my mates are trying to convince me will happen since trading Wiggins.

    I think I could trade Jrue>Oladipo -maybe even to MCW.
    Nobody gives any value to KCP, Draymond or Deron so I’ll have to wait for those dudes to play before I trade/drop.
    Cheers!

    • Slim

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      @Richo: JB will throw it on the list. Drummond at 52. Wow!

      As for eligibility. I have no idea how ESPN does that so I wouldn’t go into it figuring someone is going to gain eligibility.

      KCP is an upside gamble, there’s so many this time of year. Tough to trade them. Draymond is someone we are especially high on and on your team with all those good blocks/steals guys he’s going to put you over the top to the point of the categories not being competitive. If Deron plays well I would absolutely look to move him. I doubt he plays 75+ games. And the part about Jrue? That’s something I can talk about verbally.

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        @Slim:
        Yeah, Drummond at 52 was my leagues weird keeper rule- someone tried to get him around pick 40 but I kept him with my 52. That was real late seeing Deandre and Dwight went around 25-30.

        If none of those guys get SG eligibility, it forces me to play Antetokounnnnmpoooo which I’m really happy about- surely he’ll be SG/SF.

        Is there a way you could talk about guys who should be picked up if they get decent minutes early? I want to make a watchlist of dudes to monitor first couple of games- KJ McDan, Gallo, KCP, Draymond, Stauskas, Stephen Adams etc.

        Cheers!

        • Slim

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          @Richo: Looks like Antetok is a SG in ESPN so yeah at least you have someone to play there.

          My 1st post I wrote for Razzball last year was talking about 12 potential post draft sleepers. I’m sure I’ll do that post again. Kind of a who’s who of watchlist guys. Of those guys you named Draymond is the only one who I think should be universally owned for his immense upside.

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            @Slim: Giannis is still only SF on ESPN.

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      @Richo:
      *changes to my drafted team:

      Wiggins>Smithy
      KCP>McBob
      Draymond>P-Bev

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Richo: Love all 3. Well, KCP vs. McBob is upside vs. consistency and team need, but def other two

  47. jon says:
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    Yo! In light of the ranks, should I trade T. Ross/J. Henson for T.Jones/J.Young in 12-team 9-Cat Roto Dynasty. Love Jones but feel like Henson/Ross could eclipse his value short and long term and Young is a long-term project. Thanks!

    • Slim

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      @jon: Man that’s a tough one. I definitely like TJones better. That said I think James Young is nothing more than ThrAGNoF and even that could be years away. If this wasn’t a Dynasty I would take Jones and drop Young. But Henson has just as much upside as Jones, besides a few 3PTM, and Ross is basically James Young but ready now. I take Henson/Ross.

  48. Phil says:
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    First, kudos for not overreaching on Klay Thompson and for elevating Paul Millsap higher than most rankings. I think you’re spot on with both, though I’d probably wait a half round to a round for Millsap in hopes he drops.

    Second, I think you’re putting waaaay too much stock in Nerlens Noel’s ability to rebound. He was embarrassing on that front in the summer pro league, seeing small guards shove him out of the lane. He may get a decent FG% b/c of how much they’ll run, but I think his production is going to be mostly linked to blocks. And I worry about his ability to stay healthy.

    Third, I may be the only guy in the world who thinks MCW is highly overrated. Heck, I may be one of the few who thinks he had a BAD rookie season in terms of fantasy value. Yes, he’s a stud of a talent, and yes he got ROY, and yes, Philly has nothing else, but his style of play lends itself to nagging injuries and he’s a turnover machine with horrid FG%. Both are fantasy killers (if you have TOs factored in your league). I’ll pass on him.

    Fourth, I don’t agree with Jose Calderon seeing a resurgence in assists, not in the triangle offense, which promotes making that second and third pass. I hope I’m wrong, though. I like Calderon.

    Fifth, “Dwayne” Wade should be “Dwyane” Wade for the oddest spelling in the world :).

    Nice list.

    • Slim

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      @Phil:

      Waiting on Millsap in a 12er is a tough call. If you have the 11th, 12th pick then he more than likely won’t be there in the 3rd round around pick 35, 36. It’s tough.

      I gave Noel 7.4 boards in 28 min. That’s pretty low end I thought so I agree. Blocks should be what holds his value but I also think he’s going to be helpful on the steals front too. As for the injury concern, I think the 76ers do handle him with kids gloves which makes his 50ish ranking tough to stomach. JB is higher than me for sure.

      JB expects a ton of growth from MCW and I agree he’s too high on him. In a punting format, FG%, FT%, or TOs is where I think MCW really shines.

      I put Calderon down for 6.1 assists and JB thinks that’s way too low. I agree more with you than JB but Calderon should still give some solid value at where he’s being drafted.

      Heck of a catch on Wade. I wouldn’t have known which was right and I’m a Heat fan.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Phil: I’m with Slim, the rebounding is not what I’m drafting Nerlens for at all. Blocks and steals both from a big! Plus I think he’s an underrated offensive player. Slim knows I’m high on him, but then Yahoo ranked him higher without me seeing that… Nuts…

      I think MCW improves on TO and FG% and you can build around those weaknesses. I don’t like to look at one guy’s one bad thing if you can work around it (Dwight bad FT you can’t really work around).

      I don’t think Calderon is all the sudden a 10 APG guy, but I think he is going to get some scrubby assists like a quick pass then Melo one dribble and score. The minutes and scorers around him who are shooters I think will surprise.

      Ugh, I promise I will mess up his name no less than 2 more times this year :) Thanks for the catch and for the thoughts! Hope to see ya drop by a lot this year!

  49. Nishinga says:
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    Starting a league with my friends, 10 teams, 9 cat, h2h draft.
    I’ve got the 10th pick so I have the 11th as well, the draft will start in a week.
    for my first 2 pick I’m debating whether I should take Wall or Westbrook and Ibaka or Cousins or Aldridge.
    Could use some advice.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nishinga: If I could get Wall and Ibaka, I’m esctatic. Definitely hoping Ibaka will be there and one of the two PG. If for some reason Ibaka is taken, a PG with Cousins would be solid too.

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        @JB Gilpin:
        I can understand taking Ibaka before Cousins and Aldridge, but I’m not sure about Wall over Westbrook.
        Points = Westbrook
        FG% = Tie/Westbrook
        3’s = Tie/Westbrook
        FT% = Tie/Westbrook
        Reb = Westbrook
        Assists = Wall
        Steals = Tie
        Blocks = Wall
        TO = Tie

        So apart from assists and blocks which isn’t very important for a PG Westbrook is better at everything.
        If he is healthy I can’t see why would anyone take Wall instead of Westbrook.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Nishinga: Haha well, when you put “tie/westbrook” then say he’s better at everything, I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. :)

          Also, the huge assists jump, the biggest premium stat that both offer, is the difference and my deal breaker between the 2. I’m really confused by “…apart from assists… which isn’t very important for a PG…” Hmmmm? Then your “if he is healthy” is my point #2 for wanting Wall earlier. Either way, it’s a little bit of splitting hairs, I have them back-to-back :)

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            @JB Gilpin:
            “which is not very important for a PG” I referred to the block section.
            The tie/westbrook is because of minor difference but it also shows, but little counts as well.
            I’m not a doctor but I don’t think his injury will impact him this season, in 5 out of 6 seasons he is in the NBA he haven’t missed a game,
            I can understand that John Wall is more reliable asset but the risk you take on Westbrook totally worth it and isn’t that big anyway.
            I can agree with back-to-back. I Think I’ll still take Westbrook if I’ll have the opportunity.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Nishinga: Oh I got ya, just was a weird sentence :)

              I don’t think his injury will impact Westbrook either, but Wall is a good bit younger. Definitely couldn’t fault taking Westbrook ahead of him, but I like the bigger assists from Wall. A good discussion though!

            • Slim

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              @Nishinga: I did a Wall v Westbrook post. It’s in the Slim v Slim section. I talked about all of this.

              As for the 5 out of 6 season Westbrook didn’t miss a game. We can also say he hadn’t had a single knee surgery in 5 out of 6 season. I look at someone like Brook Lopez who didn’t miss a game in his 1st 3 seasons, had a bad injury, and hasn’t been able to stay healthy since. Even in significantly less minutes.

  50. cooler83 says:
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    Hey JB and Slim,

    I was recently doing some simulations when drafting in the later part of the 1st round (9-12), and assuming Wall/Westy get taken at 7 and 8, along with the standard players taken at 1-6. I believe this is one of the harder spots to be in because I normally have to go big-big for round 1/2 since any PG I draft in the 2nd round would probably be a reach. In almost all spots, I usually get Ibaka/Horford or Ibaka/Jefferson since most people value Carmelo/Cousins over Ibaka in most leagues. Personally, I rank Millsap just below Jefferson and Horford bc I generally want my bigs to have a high FG%/block potential.

    I would like to hear your reasoning on why you rank Horford ahead of Jefferson? I admit that if both players were guaranteed 82 games, I think Horford would yield a higher ranking, but with 2 bad/freak injuries in the last couple years, I think Jefferson is a slightly better bet to play more games and be more of a rock at centre position. I only compare these 2 since in the 2nd round, these are the big men that are usually available and drafted by me if I get a 9-12 pick.

    Also, what do you guys think of a Carmelo/Jefferson 10-12 pick for rd 1-2 or a Carmelo/Horford pick? I am also running a simulation I don’t pick Ibaka 9th after Wall/Westy get taken 7 and 8. In my opinion, if Carmelo/big or big/big is taken 10-12th pick, you HAVE to pick PG/PG in round 3-4. Since both simulations yield low assist totals in rounds 1-2, I always try and target high assist PGs in rounds 3-4. I notice that Rubio is usually available at the end of the 3rd round, so he is usually the guy I try to target. For that reason, I like Carmelo/big picks more than big/big since Carmelo’s points more than make up for Rubio’s lack of scoring. I’m a little worried drafting Ibaka/big/Rubio since my scoring will definitely take a bit of a hit. I’m also a little more high on Carmelo than you guys simply bc I think his rebound totals won’t regress a ton since Chandler was shipped off to Dallas. I don’t see Dalembert getting near the minutes Chandler got and NY plans on playing Bargnani a lot more which adds to the rebs for Carmelo.

    I know it’s hard for you guys to pick Melo over Ibaka, but I def think if Ibaka is off the board, Melo is the next best pick in the 1st round over Cousins and Love.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @cooler83: Great question, my logic for liking Horford so much is both injuries have been torn pecs (on either side) and with my very limited knowledge and what I’ve read about the injuries, is that the surgery should (stress, should…) keep it from happening again. All other seasons he’s played 81, 67, 81, 77, 74 games. With Big Al, he had the foot issues and is a little older. Definitely like both though.

      I think another factor in me usually passing on Melo is even if I did have an Ibaka/big/Rubio start, I think I can fill out with points throughout the rest of the draft. Points are such a low priority for me compared to other stats since I think you can make them up with many options late. It’s not like Ibaka/Melo/Cousins/Love are that far apart, but of those 4 Ibaka gives you the best in a premium stat which is why I like him :)

      Thanks for dropping by!

  51. Jeff says:
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    Hi JB and Slim, new reader here.
    Had my draft last night on ESPN, we’re a 20 man league playing ESPN fantasy points where points are worth 1, rebounds and assists are 2, blocks/steals/3’s are worth 3 apiece, and all made/missed shots are +- 0.5.

    Here is my team in the order I drafted them in; I’d love to hear you guys’ feedback on it. Thanks.

    15 Al Jefferson, Cha C
    26 Kyle Lowry, Tor PG
    55 Ricky Rubio, Min PG
    66 Kenneth Faried, Den PF
    95 Andrew Bogut, GS C
    106 Avery Bradley, Bos SG
    135 Corey Brewer, Min SF
    146 Miles Plumlee, Pho PF
    175 Kelly Olynyk, Bos C
    186 Luis Scola, Ind PF
    215 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Det SG
    226 Otto Porter Jr., Wsh SF
    255 Devin Harris, Dal PG

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jeff Welcome to Razzball Nation! Glad you dropped by.

      Really really like the team. A few things though, not sure you got enough 3-point shooters. I’m used to doing all the ranks for H2H, but in that format I might’ve gone bigger on the deep ball guys (get the 3 points per trey and 3 points 1-per on top of it). That said, I think you got good value everywhere, Bogut is underrated in that format – like that pick – and love your last 3 picks in a league that deep. KCP outta the top 200?! Crazy talk! Thanks for dropping by!

  52. Quaz says:
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    Hey guys. Looking for some help with strategy. Done numerous mock’s and not sure which route to go with my first 3 picks. Pick 3, 22 and 27 (I know KD and Lebron are going 1 and 2)

    Steph, then another good pg(Dragic) then a good big
    Steph then a couple of bigs
    Davis then a pg
    Davis then another dominant big then a guard

    It’s breaking my brain! Would love to know your thoughts and reasons

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Quaz: Haha no brain breaking allowed! Well, maybe after some of my calls go awry and I get frustrated I might change that outlook…
      I’m going Brow with pick 3 either way. I have him 2, so I think he’s worth it to build around. 22 should be right in the sweet spot of PG to choose from, so hopefully Davis, PG (hopefully someone like Dragic or Lawson) and maybe PG again (Conley?) if still on the board. PG (well, ast) dries up fast, but if you can be solid with a huge-output big then afford to go heavy on PG the next few rounds, you’ll have a dirty team. Hope that helps!

      • Quaz says:
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        Cheers mate, appreciate the advice

      • Quaz says:
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        Have a feeling Milsap will still be there in the 3rd at my pick – he may be too good to ignore there!

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          @Quaz: If I got Brow, which I agree with JB is the guy I would take, then I would go with a high end PG and Millsap if he’s there in the 3rd. With the 4th and 5th picks a PG is an absolute must and I would seriously consider going back to back PGs there since they could be all dried up by the late 6th round.

  53. Walker Marsh says:
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    I have a draft question, in an 8 team league I have the first overall pick. Would it be worth it to trade that for the number three pick, an additional second round pick, and additional 4th round pick? Its a snake draft

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Walker Marsh: Nah I think I’d hold onto it. In a shallow league you definitely need the top end guys, and giving up Durant for a few additional picks in a shallower league isn’t worth it to me. If it were 16 team or something, that’d be different, but I’d hold off.

  54. Steven says:
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    What do you guys think about my draft and team? I think I might have drafted too many bigs in the early and mid rounds. I’m thinking about trading D.Howard for an elite PG such as Lillard to compliment my team. Or try to trade Sanders for a mid round SG,SF such as Ariza, K. Martin, or Joe Johnson. I am basically punting FT% and TOs. Any opinion or advise would be great! Thank you!!

    12 teams 14 players h2h 9 cats

    1. (4) Stephen Curry (GS – PG,SG)
    2. (21) Dwight Howard (Hou – PF,C)
    3. (28) Andre Drummond (Det – PF,C)
    4. (45) Victor Oladipo (Orl – PG,SG)
    5. (52) Jrue Holiday (NO – PG)
    6. (69) Pau Gasol (Chi – PF,C)
    7. (76) Larry Sanders (Mil – PF,C)
    8. (93) Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
    9. (100) Enes Kanter (Uta – C)
    10. (117) Amir Johnson (Tor – PF,C)
    11. (124) Reggie Jackson (OKC – PG,SG)
    12. (141) Matt Barnes (LAC – SF)
    13. (148) Draymond Green (GS – SF)
    14. (165) Mirza Teletovic (Bkn – SF,PF)

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Steven: Yeah I think you grabbed Dwight too early for my taste. I like the value you got with Oladipo and Holiday though – great PG depth! Yeah if you can get Lillard, I would def do that. Same with Ariza for Sanders, probably Martin too, I wouldn’t Joe Johnson, he’s not a favorite of mine :)

      Awesome late picks of Green and Mirza. But yeah one more guard would definitely help the team a lot. Thanks for droppin by!

      • Steven says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks for the reply. Do you have an email or Twitter so I can email or follow you at? I ran out of time so I just opted for Dwight at that time and was pissed because that meant punting FT% and TOs time. I originally wanted to get Bosh but ran out of time so couldn’t decide between Howard, Noah, Horford, or M. Gasol for my 2nd round pick smh lol. Someone wants my Kanter and Reggie, I was thinking trading Kanter for Calderon or Amir Johnson to Payton. What do you think?

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Steven: Sure thing! @jbgilpin. Tough one! Haha. I woulda grabbed Horford, I’m huge on him this year, I think the pec injury is fixed and a non-issue, and he’s gonna be great. Whoa, I’d take both those trade! I have both PG ranked much higher, so I think both would help a ton if you can pull em off!

  55. Myron says:
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    What do you guys think about my draft and team?
    9-cat H2H 16 team league:
    1. Anthony Davis
    2. Ty Lawson
    3. Rudy Gay
    4. Gordon Hayward
    5. Lance Stephenson
    6. Jonas Valanciunas
    7. Jeremy Lin
    8. Taj Gibson
    9. Jared Sullinger
    10. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
    11. John Henson
    12. C.J. McCollum
    13. K.J. McDaniels

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Myron: Not bad, love Brow, love Lawson, but I think you lost out on too many PG. I know it’s 16 team, but Gay and Stephenson I would’ve gotten PG if any good ones were avail. Love Henson that late, but I might try to trade one of those wings for a PG. Stephenson for… Calderon?

  56. is it 2015 yet? says:
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    I’d be curious to hear any knee-jerk adjustments or a brief summary of any thoughts re: league I’ve been in for many years. Rotiss only 3 categories: Pts, Rebs, Assts. Serge Ibaka ain’t no 1st rounder here! We start 10 players and positions do not matter, however one starter MUST be a rookie. Usually 12 teams but sometimes we have up to 14. Snake and re-draft. (PF who get assts and stud rookies are obv huge).

    • JB Gilpin

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      @is it 2015 yet?: Haha not quite 2015 yet! Gettin there… Hmmm, interesting format. Definitely pass on Ibaka! Yeah I would load up on big men who score and board. A guy like Zach Randolph is boring in 9 cat but huge. Kawhi Leonard = pass. 3-point shooters definitely pass on – Ariza, Matthews, K. Thompson, etc. I wouldn’t go too crazy for the stud rookies this year since rookies are fairly deep. McDermott late could be OK, Marcus Smart while Rondo is out, Stauskas I like a lot even though he’s not good in this format. So I probably wouldn’t reach for Wiggins or Parker.

  57. George says:
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    I just traded Calderon and Derozan for Holiday and Stephenson. Was it ok?
    I plan on punting TO and FT% in 14-team 9 cat H2H
    Teams is…
    Lebron
    Bosh
    Rondo
    Derozan (traded)
    Gortat
    Hibbert
    Calderon (traded)
    Nene
    Lin
    Miles Plumlee
    Young
    Dieng
    Stuckey

    • JB Gilpin

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      @George: Definitely OK… I’m having trouble getting a definitive answer – I like you got the best player in Holiday (at least for me), but since it’s deeper… I think it’s dead even and fitting your punt TO strategy makes it work out. Very very close though. I don’t think you’ll be losing FT% that much though, you’re not going to be favored most weeks, but I think you’ll be OK there!

      • George says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks for the early reply I just saw my league projections in ranking and after the trade is completed I’m first in FG% and Assist, 2nd in Pts and Rebs, 4th in Blocks, 5th in steals, 12th in 3ptm, 14 in TO and 11 in FT%.

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          @George: Yeah so 11 out of 14 (and that’s only projection) and you factor in maybe some luck and you could win it 40% of the time pretty easy. 3s you can stream, and I’d be fine losing TO most weeks. Good luck this year!

          • George says:
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            @JB Gilpin: @JB Gilpin:
            Thanks and thumbs up for the site, really helpful.

            • George says:
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              @George:
              Hey JB, I need your opinion on this. Who will have a better season, Draymond Green, Stuckey or KJ McDaniels? Considering that Green has a shot at starting, Stuckey filling the void of Lance and PG13 and KJ playing for his next year contract.

  58. Kris says:
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    Hey JB and Slim,

    Came back and never would I imagined entering a money league that consists of 18 managers. Any pointers how to be picking in this kind of big league. It’s actually my first time joining a big league H2H. HAHA!

    Thanks, guys!

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      @Kris: I don’t know if I have a single strategy just because it’s a deep league. The big one I would say is that quality depth is much more important than in a 12er. The great players are still great but once 200+ players are owned there’s a lot of players owned who don’t play alot of minutes. If you can avoid those low minute guys you will be at a huge advantage.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Kris: Nice! Deeper the better! Yeah what Slim said about depth, and also you wanna be sure not to underrate the boring guys. Like Zach Randolph and, I dunno Belinelli. Guys like that that offer no upside that you tend to pass on in 12ers really need to fill out your roster in a deep league.

  59. MAC says:
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    razz up guys? would you still consider getting deandre if u have ibaka already? or go with a vucevic pick since he complements ibaka well. collison or george hill? beverley or reggie jackson?

    • Slim

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      @MAC: DeAndre with Ibaka is fine but yes I probably wouldn’t put a FT killer with Ibaka since the need for blocks isn’t that extreme. I’m also not reaching for DeAndre since Hawes could steal some minutes. Especially late in a close game.

      I’ve got Collison way ahead of George Hill. I guess the Sessions signing is worth taking a second look but I still think Collison offers much more.

      Beverley v Reggie is really close and which you want is based off team makeup. If points and %s is the need then Reggie. If Steals/3s, Beverley.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @MAC: I have Vuc a good bit higher anyway, I would def Vuc. I am with Slim, I like Colly a good margin ahead of Hill too. PBev vs. Reggie is close, I’ll usually go Reggie, unless like Slim said, I needed steals at that point

  60. JK says:
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    Hey thanks for the update.. could you guy also provide this in spreadsheet format (including projections)? Thanks!

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      JB Gilpin says:
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      @JK: Any time, well we have something started, but it still needs some work… I’m not promising anything but we might have it done next week :)

  61. 740 says:
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    Good stuff JB/Slim…..Lebron ranked 4th? kinda shocking…you guys think Olapido and Noel will truly have big year?

    • Slim

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      @740: Yeah those 2 scream break out to me. I have Harden ahead of LeBron as well. Maybe that’s too far but when 3 guys who were top 10 in usage join the same team everyone’s stats are bound to drop. If I trusted LeBron to block shots then he would be 3. But I don’t so he’s not.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @740: Thanks man! I don’t think it’s too shocking, seeing him 4th in a lot of places, and like Slim said, he has him 5th! LeBron losing blocks, boards, and has an actual PG to facilitate for the first time… Not loving him. Yup, why we have those two ranked high! Noel is reported to have no restrictions and Oladipo has the keys to the offense.

  62. Nino says:
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    What do you think of Solomon Hill this year? Will he inherit most of Paul George’s minutes at the 3 spot? Early reports say that he is working with the first unit at training camp. What are your thoughts?

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      @Nino: I expect plenty of movement from that spot throughout the year. Copeland should get some minutes, Miles can play the 3. Even in a best case scenario, Hill with 30 minutes, he still feels very ThrAGNoF-y to me. At Arizona he was a 3-pt shooter with low steals, low blocks, not a good FT%, and too many turnovers. Could he be useful for us? I guess, I just don’t see much upside.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nino: Yeah I don’t see much upside either, I think C.J. MIles is going to play a lot of minutes. The Pacers I think will be right around the 8 seed, so they’re gonna play the vets.

  63. d0nno says:
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    Hey guys! Loving the podcast. Can you check out my team and let me know what you think?

    Made a bunch of trades these past few weeks and my team now looks like this.

    PG: Stephen Curry, Deron Williams, Jeff Teague
    SG/SF: Gerald Green, J.R. Smith, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Terrence Ross, Jodie Meeks, Matt Barnes
    PF/C: Anthony Davis, Omer Asik, Henry Sims, Javale McGee

    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @d0nno: Thanks so much man! How big is your league? I’m guessing a tad deeper, I think it’s pretty balanced but tier after Curry/Davis has a lot of dropoff. Still nice having two studs!

      • d0nno says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        12 teamer h2h Yahoo League.

        Yeah I figured depth is a major issue. Lots of options though as I can almost certainly trade one of my two main pieces for some depth.
        Any suggestions?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @d0nno: Eh, I think I’d hold Curry/Davis combo. That’s pretty nasty. I think Gerald Green is a little overrated myself, maybe him and JR Smith forrrr, Calderon? Or maybe a slightly better wing like I dunno, Ariza? I don’t think Ariza owner would do it, but I might try to consolidate your wings there.

  64. Manuel says:
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    Since you guys are so awesome at evaluating and responding promptly, (unlike other fantasy analysts in the blogosphere) I figured, why not post my team up as well…? I think I’m pretty sure I know the answer to this, but where are my weakest links? (14-Team, 10 Cat, H2H, Last Pick in the draft.)

    Blake Griffin
    Al Jefferson
    Klay Thompson
    Rudy Gay
    Kyle Lowry
    Kemba Walker
    Nerlens Noel
    Brandon Knight
    Rodney Stuckey
    Wesley Johnson
    Evan Turner
    Mirza Teletovic
    Steven Adams

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Manuel: Thanks man! It’s what we do! Yeah definitely a little light on PG, but man you killed your draft! 14 team to get Blake, Al, Lowry, Kemba PLUS Gay and Noel. Yikes, some people musta been reachin! I’m a big Teletovic believer for late 3s, plus Kemba and Lowry should be solid, I might try to trade Klay for one more PG to really knock Ast/Stls out of the park. Also blocks are a tad light, but I think one more solid PG puts it over the edge.

      • Manuel says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Big Help.. Only Issue is I can only have 3pgs on my team. I might try and package Knight and someone else together to clear up room for a better PG… sounds legit?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Manuel: Sure, yeah that sounds good! So you only start 3 PG or only allowed to carry 3 PG? Because if you only start 3, it would be fine to have 4 to mix and match.

  65. Bucky says:
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    Hey guys! I am having a tough time deciding on my 3rd keeper (3 total).
    I got Dwight Howard and Andre Drummond for my first 2, then deciding on either Derrick Rose, Victor Oladipo, or Kemba Walker. I don’t really like Kemba’s low FG%, and should I risk on Rose?
    If I take Oladipo, I am hoping others will pass on Rose and maybe I can take him mid draft (12-team, 9-cat)
    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Bucky: Hey man! Well, I will say Kemba’s FG% isn’t much of a worrry with Dwight and Drummond only dunking the ball haha. That said, I think I have Oladipo the highest so I’d take him too.

  66. JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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    JB, just made a trade for Al Jeff and have a keeper question. 16 teams, h2h, we keep 2-5 but almost everyone keeps at least 4 so lots of good players usually gone. My 4 locked in keepers with their cost for me after inflation is…Al Jeff $49, Bosh $32, Bledsoe $9, and Parsons $7. Love having Al Jeff and Bosh in a league that deep when they both go 4/4/4 in the playoffs, So, as for my 5th… I have T.Jones I can keep for $4 and have been leaning him…but I also can keep Lawson at $33. With a good bit of players gone before the draft some prices get a little crazy. Keep Jones at $4, throw back Lawson and possibly redraft him? Or keep Lawson at $33? Leaning Jones because I think $4 is great value and feel like you he is underrated by many sites coming into the year, bur your advice would be appreciated. Thanks man!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @JoeMorgan’sMustache: Nice! Awesome start. Agree with your top 4 obviously… Damn wish you could keep 6! I think I’d lean Lawson though, the reason being the premium on PG this year and how top heavy it is. I doubt he’d go cheaper. Still gives you pretty good budget to fill out your team, I doubt T Jones goes for more than 6 or 7 so you can still get him too. I obviously like him as well! Ps, good to see ya man!

      • JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Man, thanks for the advice, and wish I could keep more too…but I just made a trade for Durant after posting this…Lawson and Jones for Durant who will cost me $84…which is a good bit but if anyone is worth it he is. Dude is in another world fantasy wise, plain and simple. I never really spend this much on one player and usually like to have some money to play with at the auction to add depth…but you only live once, right?…lol. My keepers are now Durant $84, Al Jeff $49, Bosh $32, Bledsoe $9 and Parsons $7.

        My two concerns…only $19 at the auction…so I will have to try and sneak some players in and also work the FA list…which I do as I always manage my teams hard. It does worry me a bit…but I am confident I can manage these and make a couple key pick ups during the year. Secondly, my PG situation…I like Bledsoe, but he really isn’t a true PG. I won’t have the money to spend on one, obviously…just have to try and grab a sleeper or two there. In the end I weighed these concerns and…I said screw it…it’s Durant!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @JoeMorgan’sMustache: Love it. You’re in a 16 team league and have #1, 3 top 20, and 5 in my top 45. Even though you’ll have scrubs to fill out, pretty nasty start.

          In your draft, get a ton of $1 backup PG! Russ Smith, Sessions, Kendall Marshall. They’d all be targets for me.

          • JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Thanks for the approval man! Yeah…it is against my normal routine but like I said…It’s Durant! You only live once! Also, all my keepers are priced about right or below their value…it will be interested to try and fill out my roster…but I think I have the skills to do so. I love my core…I think it’s unmatched in there.

            Some of the comments on my deal are funny…since I will not have much at the auction. Makes me laugh since I have won 3 of the last 5 years in year and kinda know what I’m doing….man those first 2 rounds of Durant, Bosh, and Al Jeff with 4 games a piece is sick! FYI I have been checking in on your stuff when I can….new job, more hours, more responsibility in the personal life. Just wanna say I appreciate what you do and enjoy how you always bring that passion in your posts and comments…good stuff my man!

            • JB Gilpin

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              @JoeMorgan’sMustache: Core is definitely unmatched! Haha.

              I hear ya on the job front – always good to see ya and good to hear you’re makin dat money! Really appreciate it!

  67. Rob says:
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    JB:
    I am in a keeper league with kinda unusual categories: FG, FT, 3S, PTS, OREB, DREB, REB, Assists, Steals, blocks.

    The keeper costs is the same no matter who you keep and does not go up.

    My team is weak this year, so I am looking to spend big $ on the best rookie available and punt this year – which includes Noel who surprisingly was not kept.

    So if cost is not a factor, given these categories who would you spend your wad on . Wiggins, Parker, Noel, Embiid. I am still thinking Wiggins – but am also thinking Embiid considering the dominance of big man categories.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Rob: Gotcha, yeah Embiid and Noel would be my top targets as long as Embiid isn’t too pricey. Definitely putting a premium on the big men as well, I think I’d want Parker over Wiggins in that format since Parker is obviously a bigger dude as a SF/PF. I’d spend the most on Noel, then Parker, Wiggins, Embiid, but still target Embiid as he should go much cheaper than those first 3.

  68. Nishinga says:
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    My last mock draft (10 teams, 9 cat, H2H):

    10 – Westbrook
    11 – Ibaka
    30 – Lawson
    31 – Noah
    50 – Rubio
    51 – Oladipo
    70 – Faried
    71 – Deng
    90 – Valanciunas
    91 – Collison
    110 – John Henson
    111 – Giaanis
    130 – Draymond Green

    I know I’ll probably won’t win in Treys and Points but I think I’m pretty hard on anything else.
    What your thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nishinga: Agree with your thoughts, nasty team! Man your last 3 picks I have top 100! I don’t think you’re that behind in Pts, and yeah treys are bad but that’s what streaming would be for! Be fun to play out that team.

  69. dan-o1 says:
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    can someone please pick this mock apart,por favor….7spot
    1harden
    2.dragic
    3.milsap
    4.vooch
    5.walker
    6.faried
    7.tj
    8.afflalo
    9.ant
    10.lin
    11.mcbob
    12.steven adams
    13.henry sims

    • JB Gilpin

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      @dan-o1: Si! Si! While I love Jones, 7th seems a little high, but eh not really considering my rank… Love your top 6. Millsap in the 3rd is highway robbery. Very light on blocks. Vucevic, Millsap, Faried, Jones, Anteok all with 1 a game but I don’t think that’ll be enough. Love you got 2 PG top 5 rounds plus get the out of position asts from Harden, who definitely shouldn’t fall to 7. I might have gone big man over Afflalo and that’s about it.

      • dan-o1 says:
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        muchas gracias@JB Gilpin:

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @dan-o1: de nada

  70. jon says:
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    Hey Guys,

    I’m in a 12-team, 9-cat Roto Dynasty league where we keep everyone year to year and we draft 3 colleg guys who automatically get added to our NBA teams each year. I’ve got Wiggins, Gordon and Embiid coming up to my team (need to drop 3 guys) and then I also get to draft 3 “unowned” Pros if I drop 3 more guys off my bench. I’ll use these rankings to determine who you like best in terms of order to draft guys in, but I was wondering if the Dynasty component changed your mind at all. The top available unowned Pros include:

    Rooks: Vets:
    E. Payton R. Gobert
    T. Warren S. Nash
    Z. LaVine A. Bargnani
    T. Ennis T. Zeller
    KJ MacDaniels S. Hill
    N. Stauskas M. Ginobili
    B. Bogdanovic M. Scott
    J. Nurkic C. Kaman
    B. Cabocolo G. Wallace
    Z. Dragic A. Kirilenko
    N. Johnson K. Singler
    S. Napier J. Adrien
    J. Ennis D. Schroeder
    J. Adams N. Cole
    J. Clarkson C. Early
    N. Wolters
    S. Adams
    James Johnson

    Only other factor is which 6 guys I drop from my team to add 6 guys from above. I’m thinking:

    J. Lamb
    K. Bazemore
    R. McCallum
    K. Middleton
    JR Smith
    Marcus Morris

    Only one I’m unsure of is Marcus Morris, whom I may just hold on to if the available guys left don’t have as much upside as him.

    I have picks #7, #19, #28 in the “Unowned Pros” draft. Sorry for the complex question but MANY thanks for the input!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jon: Cool, yeah intense league! So first question – can you still draft 3 unowned pros, then decide if you’re keeping or dropping your 3 last guys afterwards? Or do you have to decide before the draft “I’m dropping these 6″ I’m assuming the latter since people who theoretically be able to draft others’ drops but unsure.

      Another question is how deep are rosters? In a standard roster depth in 12 team, yeah I’d like Morris walk. Even if the draft doesn’t go as you hope, I don’t think you’ll mind whomever you get instead of him that much. But say like, 20 roster spots, I might hold onto him and even JR. Past Elfrid, who I’m sure will go way before your first pick, that list isn’t too impressive :)

      Dunno if that helps, but yeah lemme know the active roster size!

      • jon says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Hey man, thanks!

        Question 1: Yes. I can draft 3 unowned Pros and then decide after the fact whether I want to keep or drop them. Draft is next week and I have to submit my final roster my 10/21. So I don’t have to decide my 6 until well after the draft.

        Question 2: Rosters are 19 deep. 11 starters (PG, SG, SF, PF, C, C, F, G, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL) and then 7 bench spots, plus 1 IR spot.

        I’m pretty certain on dropping my first 4 guys, it’s only JR Smith and Marcus Morris I’d hesitate on, depending on who I draft.

        Guys I like on that unowned pros list include:

        Warren, LaVine, T. Ennis, R. Gobert (since I own Kanter), KJ McDaniels, Zeller, S. Hill, Bogdanovic, N. Johnson (1 Pat-Bev injury away from starting?)

        I’d love your read on those guys or anyone I’m missing on the list.

        In case it helps, my roster is currently composed as follows:

        PGs: Conley, Teague, R. Jackson, G. Hill, R. McCallum
        SGs: Harden, Burks, T. Ross, Wiggins, JR Smith, J. Lamb, Bazemore
        SFs: T. Young, K. Middleton, A. Gordon
        PFs: R. Anderson, J. Henson, Marc. Morris
        Cs: A. Horford, E. Kanter, G. Dieng, J. Embiid* (IR)

        MANY thanks!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @jon: Oh OK, that makes life much easier then!

          Wow so pretty deep. Even though I’m not a big fan, JR Smith I think has to be kept. Marcus Morris 95% sure will have to be too, but you can wait until after the draft on them.

          Yeah, I mean all should probably be rostered in your league, but after Elfrid it’s Slim Pickens. LaVine as a stash would be awesome. McDaniels and Gobert are both really interesting for you – you have upside for blocks but nothing too guaranteed yet.

          Those are the only 3 I have ranked top 200. Warren… I dunno if he makes it on the Suns with them signing everyone and he’s pretty much a rid-range shooter only. Bogdanovic might have some 3s upside on the AARP Nets. He’s probably 4th after the 3 above.

          Any time man, let us know how it turns out!

          • jon says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            Word. I’ll let you know who I end up with. I’m intrigued by Nick Johnson who might force his way into PT in Houston. Beverly got some injury history and Johnson feels like a winner, good defense, etc. So I’m right that you’d have them something like this?

            Payton
            Lavine
            Gobert
            KJ
            Bogdanovic
            Warren

            I’m vaguely intrigued by Bargnani (minutes if he stays healthy); Zeller (Celtics only traditional big man); and definitely Solomon Hill (because, I mean, who else on that team?)

            You like any of those three guys better than either JR Smith or Marc. Morris? I won’t have to make the decision for a couple weeks but I think that’s likely to be the kind of decision I’m working with.

            thanks!

            • Slim

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              @jon: I’d rank them… in a dynasty…

              Elfrid
              JR Smith
              Marcus Morris
              KJ
              Lavine
              Gobert
              Warren
              Bogdanovic
              Zeller
              Hill
              Bargnani

              Oh and I think backup PG minutes in Houston are going to Isaiah Canaan not Nick Johnson and I’m not sure I see Nick Johnson as a PG anyway. More SG really.

              • jon says:
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                @Slim:

                Supremely helpful. Thanks a ton, guys. I’ll let you know how it turns out!

              • JB Gilpin

                JB Gilpin says:
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                @jon: Yup, with @Slim: that Canaan is the backup PG you want. Yeah, you have those 6 how I’d have them, Slim likes KJ a little more for me, this will really be a make it break it year since he signed an uncommon 1-year deal. If he’s bad, he’ll be bench fodder somewhere else.

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      @jon: Don’t drop Clarkson he is my top 100. I expect he will be the 1st string PG soon.

  71. Killahdev says:
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    I don’t see Wall over Westbrook or even Dirk of Griffin at all. Can you please elaborate.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Killahdev: Wall v. Westbrook is splittling hairs back to back, and we’ve talked about that a lot. Here’s Slim’s take: http://basketball.razzball.com/westbrook-v-wall-godzilla-mistake

      Here’s a whole line of comments on the debate above: http://basketball.razzball.com/official-razzball-2014-2015-fantasy-basketball-rankings#comment-273712

      Give me the assists boost even though Westbrook is going to be great as well.

      Did you mean Dirk over Griffin?

    • Slim

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      @Killahdev: I think Dirk v Griffin is mostly based on who your 1st pick is. If I get Durant, Brow, Harden then I’d rather have Dirk to further expand FT% dominance. If I had LeBron I’d take Griffin and punt FT%. If I had Love I would avoid both since it would put me too far behind in steals and blocks, but then again I don’t think Love is even a 1st rounder. If I had Chris Paul or Curry then I could make a case for either.

  72. Sio says:
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    Hi JB and Slim!

    I’ll be joining a H2H – one win league for the 1st time this year. I think it makes punting waaaay more important. I’m thinking of going for a punt fg% and to draft coz to is hard to control and fg% is rarely punted. im guessing must haves would be:
    Rubio
    MCW
    Oladipo
    Jennings
    Maybe DMC…

    Any bigs and deep picks you’d recommend for this strategy?

    • Slim

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      @Sio: One win isn’t my forte but more punting definitely makes sense as you try to lock down 6-7 categories. I like punting FG% because it’s very streamer friendly. And I think it’s the most volatile category week-to-week. 1st off punting FG% also means dominating FT%. I think that’s important. It also means always winning 3s, assists, points, and steals since those guys tend to be low FG%/high FT%. Those are the big 5 for you but I would think of trying to be competitive in most of the others.

      That leaves boards, blocks, and TOs. TOs will be tough with all the PGs you should be targeting to win assists. So even though bigs aren’t a big priority you still need to be competitive in boards and blocks just to make sure you make the playoffs. Most mess with FT% but as long as the volume of FTs is low everything should be fine. All those guys are fine. MCW isn’t a good FT shooter so I wouldn’t reach but if he falls then by all means. Cousins FT volume is tough on a punt FG% team. I’d rather have him on a punt FT% team.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Sio: Yeah totally agree with Slim. You want to punt FG%, win points and treys, and stream stream stream. Only thing with Rubio is he never shoots the ball anyway, so he’s not a big FG% punt guy. Will help assists and steals though, which like Slim said, need to be target cats. Everyone else I would def get. Other guys, Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke come to mind, shoot bad FG% but as a mid and last round pick would help. Bigs – Spencer Hawes! Bad FG% because he shoots 3s for a big, good FT shooter, should see pretty good minutes. Bargnani with a last pick. The bigs who occasionally hit treys.

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        @JB Gilpin: Hayward/DeMar would be great for that team!

      • Sio says:
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        @JB Gilpin: thanks guys! Didnt have hayward and trey burke on my radar til now. And yeah i will be targeting ft% and 3s like mad if i go this route. That means checking up on razzball every day for your streamer suggestions!

        Another question: who in the 1st 2 round would be perfect for this team? I’m thinking curry or harden in the 1st and lillard or millsap in the 2nd?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Sio: Yessir, we better see ya all year! Yup both would be good, I like Millsap a little more and he’ll probably still be there, so if both are on the board in the 2nd, get him!

  73. Manuel says:
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    What say You? H2H 10 Cat

    Nerlens or Favors?

    J.R. or Klay?

    • Slim

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      @Manuel: “They way is shut.”

      Favors > Noel by a fair amount.
      Klay > J.R. Smith by even more. Although it’s worth noting J.R. is at least 50 picks after Klay.

      • Manuel says:
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        @Slim: Howsa Bout…

        Klay & Turner for Batum

        Do you guys get paid for this..? Because if you do, you’re going to earn your check this season..lol. j/k.. but for real.

        • Slim

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          @Manuel: Batum by a mile in any format but it’s a reasonable place to start in a trade offer if you’re going for Batum. I have zero faith in Evan Turner being a top 200 guy though.

          Nope. Not a penny and honestly, I’m not sure I want to get paid. Let me say that differently, I don’t want this to be a j-o-b. When I look at other places I’m so grateful I never have to fish for twitter followers or beg people to buy my ‘draft guide’. This little whole in the wall spot we’ve carved out is just fine by me.

          • CTMN says:
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            @Slim: Well IMO you guys are better than the guys that do get paid. And the way you guys answer our questions is better than anyone.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Sio: @CTMN: Thanks guys!

          • Sio says:
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            @Slim: amen to that! You guys are the best in the business when it comes to Q&A for fantasy!

            • Manuel says:
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              @Sio: Word! ^

              • keeperleaguequestions! says:
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                @Manuel: i’ll 4th that.

  74. Drez says:
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    Hey, what do you guys think about my Alec Burks and Pj Hairston for Reggie Jackson (and TJ Warren off the WW) in a 14 team h2h dynasty?

    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Drez: Love it. Thunder seem optimistic he’ll stay after this year, but either way, I’d want him as the best player in the deal. Any time!

  75. Jay says:
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    Looking to add more points and threes (preferably with a higher FG/FT% and less turnovers) to the team that I currently have in an 8 team, 10 category H2H league. What moves would you guys recommend? I feel like Melo would be a perfect fit somewhere in here, but probably not without having to move Steph, which I don’t want to do.

    1. Steph Curry
    2. Serge Ibaka
    3. Paul Millsap
    4. MCW
    5. Ricky Rubio
    6. Monta Ellis
    7. Derrick Favors
    8. Wesley Matthews
    9. Pau Gasol
    10. Brandon Jennings
    11. Trevor Ariza
    12. Larry Sanders
    13. Spencer Hawes

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jay: Yeah I wouldn’t try to move Steph either… Haha I started saying Wesley Matthews but you have him! Gasol and Brandon Jennings for Klay Thompson? Gasol for Beal (although his FG% is bad). A few ideas there!

  76. MAC says:
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    razzup guys? just did a mock. with punt ft strategy in mind.

    1.9 wall
    2. 16 drummond
    3. 33 lawson
    4. 40 jordan
    5. 57 teague
    6. 64 faried
    7. 81 jones terrence
    8. 88 morris kieff
    9. 105 knight
    10. 112 jackson reggie
    11. 129 green danny
    12. 136 ross
    13. 153 miles cj

    • YOUNGHUSBAND says:
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      @MAC: If you had punt FT in mind, you shouldnt have drafted RJax, Teague. Those guys have high FTA and FT%. May I suggest Jennings (Dumbass with no FT) and Elfrid Payton as PG replacement.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @MAC: I don’t mind the Teague or RJax pick, I think it’s a pretty solid team. Where did Henson go? I might have tried to add him too. I like Teague since you get 3 of the top PG you need to compete.

        Haha @YOUNGHUSBAND: Brandon jennings should get “Dumbass with no FT” as a bumper sticker!

        • MAC says:
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          @JB Gilpin:
          i think henson went before my green pick. anyway was looking for 3s at picks 11-13. with my last pick mcdaniels should be my pick just ran out of tym cant find him in the list. draymond was already taken b4 13th pick
          haha

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @MAC: Yeah I got ya, I probably woulda grabbed Henson, but McDaniels as a pickup would be a great fit too

  77. Lasandro says:
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    Hey boys,

    So I’ve got the #2 pick in a 12 teamer, 9 cat (stupid ones like PFs and TOs deduct pts, and there isn’t even any FTs or FGs stats.. bloody hell), with big pts given to BLKs, STLs, assists and O brds. I’ll obviously be selecting AD with that pick. The way things are looking, I may have the likes of Millsap or Kawhi or maybe Lillard hanging around for my second pick. In such a random league setting, should I definitely go for an assisting guard with my second pick (thinking Lawson) or for someone a bit more multi cat-like, et al Millsap or Kawhi?

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      M Gasol should prob also be around at that stage. If you can think of any key players I should look at in later rounds, that’d be appreciated. %s are a non issue in this weird league, remember. Muchas gracias

    • Lasandro says:
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      UPDATE: Rubio, Millsap, Big Al, Horford, Lillard, Ibaka, Lowry, Batum, Vuc amongst some still available

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Lasandro: Haha crazy people making your settings! Well one guy who sticks out is Josh Smith. Terrible %s, good blocks and steals. O boards also means I would go for bigs if I can. Dwight/DeAndre/Drummond should all go pretty early, even though the latter 2 foul a lot. Millsap/Horford/Jefferson would be my next pick

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        @JB Gilpin: Took Ibaka to go with my AD. Should someone like Rubio me a major asset in this kinda league. If he can truly reach the 9 assist per mark with high stls without Love, Im all in on this league format. Milsap and Big Al still available though so may just go the best overall player on the brd and trade away after. Thoughts bud?

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        @JB Gilpin: Bosh, too

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Lasandro: Yeah love the big-big start given the format. Especially those two! I’d go Millsap 3 if still there, then go all PG for a bit.

        • Lasandro says:
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          @JB Gilpin: Well I went ahead with Trillsap. So I’ve got he joining my AD and Serge. Def wanting some solid assists and pts numbers, along with stls. Rubio and Oladipo just got picked up. By the time it gets to me Im still hoping MCW, Ty, BJ, Dragic, Kemba, Bled, Kyrie, Conley, Holiday and the like are still available. Who of this crop would you go with in this format?

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Lasandro: Gimme Ty I think! MCW should benefit from the format, even though TO won’t be fun. Dragic I like a lot this year too.

          • Lasandro says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Took me MCW and Ty, joining the bigs of AD, Trill and Serge. Nice, yes, but I’m not at a crossroads: seeing that this is H2H, I need to make sure that I have all positions covered so as to field a full starting 5 each week. 2 PGs and 3 PF/Cs aint gonna cut it. I could keep drafting the best players possible and trade post-draft, or I’ll have to start looking at specific wings types.. doubt Kyrie and Dragic are available in the 6th round once it’s my pick again. Nuts.

  78. 740 says:
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    Sup JB/Slim…..10team…my 1st 3 pick…DAVIS/MILSAP/LEONARD….thoughts?

    i also drafted Lawson, Oladipo, Rubio, just to name a few.

    thanks guys!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @740: Whoa, great PG value late! Yeah love those top 3 if you are getting good PG depth like ya did!

      • 740 says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks JB! yeah, i couldnt believe Lawson was sitting there in the 4th rd! Oladipo & Rubio are steals!

  79. Boom Shakalaka says:
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    I find myself in a difficult situation in my draft. I just found out that I will be going 7th in my 10 team keeper league GGG,FFF,C,UTL UTL UTL, BNCH BNCH. Because its a keeper league I bascially had to move up eveyone in the top 50-60’s an extra 10 spots cause they are someones keeper in a later round and not availble.

    I changed all the keepers rankings to the spot that they will be pick and did some calculations from where each player was roughly being pick in yahoos mocks. I then compaired the player with your rankings to see would I could get the move value out of each pick.

    Out of the top 50 these are the player that will not be available.

    Westbrook – My Keeper 4th rnd
    Cousins
    Blake
    Lowry
    Drajic
    Drummon
    Lawson – My keeper 6th rnd
    W.Matthews
    DJordan
    Rondo

    Going through my list this is what I think will be the move valuabile player available to me around each of my top 5 picks.

    7- Wall,Ibaka,Love,Melo
    14- Jefferson,lillard,leonard,horford,dirk,millsap,bosh
    27- conley,rubio,noah,batum,gasol,Ellis, Holidayvucevic* (only 9 games in playoffs)
    34- Westbrook (keeper)
    47-Walker,favors,MCW,P.gasol,hayward,gortat,D.lee,butler, Teague

    Out of the top 50 these are the player that will not be available.

    Westbrook – My Keeper 4th rnd
    Cousins
    Blake
    Lowry
    Drajic
    Drummon
    Lawson – My keeper 6th rnd
    DJordan
    Rondo

    As you can see Im having to reach for alot of players
    (as will everyone else) so I’m looking for your insight to what your game plan would be with this limited information?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Boom Shakalaka: Well in a keeper you’re always reaching a little more than normal, but it sounds like you can pretty quality guys.

      Even though PG depth is paramount, you’re set there, I’d hope for Ibaka. 14 another big – I love Millsap this year and if you get Ibaka, Millsap would be a great fit.

      Batum solid at 27 to get a wing, 47 I would get MCW if still there, maybe Favors as a second option.

      Hope that helps!

  80. Tyler says:
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    Hi, I’ve started following your website since last year and props to you guys for making such great rankings and analysis. It certainly helped me in all my money leagues. I’d like to hear your thoughts on my attempt to build a punt pts team. It’s 12 team 9cat h2h btw.
    Here are my picks by round:
    1. CP3
    2. Horford
    3. Kawhi
    4. Rubio
    5. Brook Lopez
    6. Holiday
    7. Robin Lopez
    8. T-Jones
    9. P-Bev
    10. JR Smith
    11. Jordan Hill
    12. Danny Green
    13. Sullinger

    Really appreciate the work and effort you put in to this website. Kudos!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Tyler: thanks so much man!

      Double the Lopez! Pretty solid team. Holiday in the 6th is unreal value. Still think you’re light on blocks and boards though, since the Lopez’s aren’t that great there. But just marginally, good work!

      • Tyler says:
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        Yeah I know, wasn’t really planning on taking Jrue since I already had cp3+rubio but he dropped that far and couldn’t pass up on value. Maybe I can use him as trade bait later on. :)

        Other than blocks and rebs do you see other cats that are weaknesses as well? I tried to catch up in these areas in the late rounds with TJones/J.Hill (blocks/boards) and J.Sullinger(boards) but I guess it wasn’t enough.

        Who do you think is my most droppable player? Should I switch any players on my team for the FA’s below:

        Draymond Green
        Gallinari
        Dieng
        Matt Barnes
        V. Carter
        Olynyk
        Teletovic
        Mozgov
        McGee
        Bogdanovic

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Tyler: Definitely like Hill, and like I said, it’s not a glaring weakness. Other than that, naw not really, maybe in points, but if you’re an active owner, any amount of streaming will help. And JR Smith.

          Going off my ranks, Green and Dieng I think are most owns. I have Green higher, but given need I’d grab Dieng first dropping Danny Green. I’d probably sit after that, with an eye for Draymond

          • Tyler says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            Thanks for the advice man!
            One more thing, don’t you think 3s would be a weakness if I dropped danny green?

            Regards,
            Tyler

            • Slim

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              @Tyler: So many Hill’s and Green’s. I almost agree with JB but give me Draymond over Dieng. I’m not a fan of Sullinger at all and that would be my drop for Draymond. You should add blocks without losing 3s.

              I agree I’d probably hold onto Danny Green on this team so it comes down to Jordan Hill vs Dieng. I’d hold onto Hill.

              • Tyler says:
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                Thanks Slim!

                Towards the end of the draft, I was scouring for 3s and boards.
                Sullinger and Draymond were actually the top 2 choices left, I don’t think anyone would take Draymond since he didn’t even average double digit points so I guess no one in my league sees his value so I hedged my bet on Sully. He also rebounds more, close to double digits I hope for this year. Do you think I can take the hit boards/points and swap Sully for Dray?

                • Slim

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                  @Tyler: Me and JB might be the highest there is on Draymond. I’m not sure if he starts but the upside is unreal and since he’s one of their best defenders and can play multiple positions I think 24 minutes feels like a floor.

                  Re:Danny Green. Nah, there is no way Gallo is going to come in and immediately do what he did pre-injury, especially in the beginning of the year. He’s a guy I feel like you can wait and see how healthy he is once the games start to count. Danny Green is by no means a must own guy and I would probably just use his spot to stream.

                  • Tyler says:
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                    @Slim:
                    Hi Guys, how are you? just got back from vacation and watched some preseason highlights..
                    So Gallo got sniped in our league after his 17pt game and I’m still holding on danny green, j.hill and sullinger.

                    draymond, dieng, amir and teletovic are still available though, should i make a move now?

              • Tyler says:
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                Btw, do you think I should swap danny green with gallinari? Since I’m only using green for his 3s, gallo can help me with that and help more with my FT% seeing as I don’t have a lot of FT anchors. It would also help my reb shortage since he averages 5 boards compared to danny’s 3ish. What are your thoughts?

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Tyler: I’d probably Gallinari, even in a vacuum, since he offers some upside, Green is stuck in that Spurs hodgepodge. Agree he fits your team nice too!

  81. farcus says:
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    Pick one of these guys to keep for the next 2 years.

    Bogut, Alec Burks, DeMarre Carroll, Asik, Sims, McLemore. Ugh.

    The bummer is that I took Lowry one round too early to be kept, though he definitely helped me win some money last year.

    Thanks for the input.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @farcus: Damn. sucks you lost Lowry! Ugh indeed haha. Def not keeping Bogut, Sims should be OK this year but Embiid will take all the minutes by next year. And I think McLemore is awful and love Stauskas. Give me Carroll and Asik.

    • Slim

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      @farcus: If after 2 years I have to give them up then I would take Carroll or Asik depending on team needs. If I had to option to hold them for longer after 2 years then I would absolutely take Alec Burks and I don’t think it’s close. I could make an argument for keeping him over Carroll even if it is only for 2 years.

  82. jon says:
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    Hey guys,

    Follow up to an earlier trade. Been offered a new version of this trade in my 12-team, 9-cat, Roto Dynasty league.

    I give: John Henson/Terrence Ross

    I get: Terrence Jones/Draymond Green

    My current team is bleeding upside (Wiggins, T. Ross, Henson, A. Gordon, Kanter, Dieng, Burks, R. Jackson) but that means I’m lacking a little in definites, so Jones could a help a lot there. I’m a little worried about losing Henson’s blocks, but Jones was top-75 last year. This would leave me with Horford,T. Jones, Thaddeus, Dieng, Kanter, A. Gordon, R. Anderson and Embiid (on IR) as my bigs.

    I’m also pretty deep at SG (Harden, Wiggins, R. Jackson, JR Smith, T. Ross, Burks) so perhaps I could stand to lose Ross in exchanging the upside of Henson for the proven talent of Jones.

    Plus there’s Dray Green who has some upside of his own. Do you buy the counterargument that he’s just a DeJuan Blair type who can shoot a little?

    Let me know what you guys think about the deal, knowing I’m a little worried about blocks. Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jon: Yo! I love the deal. While yeah losing Henson’s blocks upside hurts, Green+Jones really shouldn’t be any different in blocks, if not more. I have both Green and Jones ahead of Henson and Ross so I really like it!

      Nah, Green is much better than Blair. Better, more dynamic athlete, more than just a banger like Blair. Was awesome last year in not a ton of minutes, if the role for 28-30 a game is there like I think it is, he’ll be fantastic.

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: Yep. and yep. I wouldn’t compare Draymond to Blair at all. More like a young Iguodala.

  83. George says:
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    Hey JB, I need your opinion on this. Who will have a better season, Draymond Green, Stuckey or KJ McDaniels? Considering that Green is rumored to start, Stuckey filling the void of Lance and PG13 and KJ playing for his next year contract.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @George: I’m having a little deja vu, sorry if you asked this before and I missed it! I definitely like Green and Stuckey a good bit over KJ. I have Green ranked higher, and taking him almost in all situations, but Stuckey might be a better fit for a team needing pts/asts late in drafts (even though he’s not a huge dimer).

      • George says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        It’s ok lol… between Miles Plumlee and Green, who you’ll take?

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @George: I still like Green there. Love the upside. Glad I’m not going crazy! Haha

          • George says:
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            @JB Gilpin:
            Thanks

            • George says:
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              @George:
              This is how my team looks like after some trades and pick ups
              PG: Rondo, Holiday, Lin
              SG: Stephenson, Stuckey, J. Butler
              SF: Lebron, D. Green, N. Young
              PF: Bosh
              C: Gortat, Hibbert, Dieng

              I’m a low at PF but i have SG and SF that can provide rebounds.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @George: LeBron isn’t PF eligible in that league? Eh, either way I think you’re fine. Nice team! Might wanna drop Nick Young now though :)

                • George says:
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                  @JB Gilpin:
                  Yes, Lebron is PF eligible.

                  I already did, picked up Garnett, I think Hollins will make him good. Although Matt Barnes and Miles Plumlee are FA’s in my league. Thanks.

                  • Slim

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                    @George: I don’t thin Garnett will be ownable in any league. 20ish minutes and plenty of DNPs for rest. I would got with Miles Plumlee.

                    • George says:
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                      @Slim:

                      Yeah, I might do that now since I traded Hibbert for Big Al, need some blocks. McGee is available too.

  84. Jay says:
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    For H2H (10 categories), who would you guys rely on more this year between George Hill and Brandon Jennings?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jay: Definitely Hill. He has less upside, but Augustin is going to cut into minutes and while Hill isn’t flashy, he has a lot more safety plus a tad of upside seeing as Paul George is out all year.

      • YOUNGHUSBAND says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Plus, dumbass with no FT!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @YOUNGHUSBAND: Hahaha touche

  85. SMLV1 says:
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    Nick Young out 8 weeks. Is he Droppable in a 12 Team redraft standard league?

    My Team –

    Paul – PG
    Leonard – SG,SF
    G. Dragic – PG,SG
    N. Young – SG,SF
    Noel – PF,C
    T. Gibson – PF,C
    Amir Johnson – PF,C
    Sullinger – PF,C
    Millsap – PF,C
    Chalmers – PG
    BN – Lin – PG,SG
    BN – Stuckey – PG,SG
    BN – Burke – PG

    IF I drop him, what stats should I aim for? I only have one SF (Leonard). Should I look for another SF?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @SMLV1: Yup! I’m not a big Swaggy P fan anyway and it’s to his shooting hand. I wouldn’t worry too much about a SF first, but that’s where I’d start. I’d just grab best available guy (highest avail in my ranks) is who I’d prob snatch up

  86. kenny kelly says:
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    12 team – 9 cat – roto

    Just drafted. How’d I do and do you see any glaring weaknesses? Thanks, I love this forum.

    1. (5) Stephen Curry (GS – PG,SG)
    2. (20) Dirk Nowitzki (Dal – PF,C)
    3. (29) Paul Millsap (Atl – PF,C)
    4. (44) Jrue Holiday (NO – PG)
    5. (53) Wesley Matthews (Por – SG,SF)
    6. (68) Derrick Favors (Uta – PF,C)
    7. (77) Jonas Valanciunas (Tor – C)
    8. (92) Markieff Morris (Pho – PF,C)
    9. (101) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Mil – SG,SF)
    10. (116) Reggie Jackson (OKC – PG,SG)
    11. (125) Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
    12. (140) Jameer Nelson (Dal – PG)
    13. (149) Draymond Green (GS – SF)

    • Slim

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      @kenny kelly: I’m trying to find a weakness but I can’t, this is a phenomenal team with upside all over the place. TJones @125 is highway robbery. Favors @68 should never happen. Your league mates are in serious trouble.

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        @Slim:
        Thanks, that’s pretty damn comforting. My initial concerns were fg% and blocks but I was hoping Favors would get more shots up this year and that my small forwards would help enough in blocks since my bigs aren’t traditional bigs. So no need for a move or a two for one of sorts?

        • Slim

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          @Kenny kelly: Blocks aren’t spectacular and I wish the JV pick was someone with a few more but I’m not too concerned about it and maybe I’m wrong about him. If there was one guy to move for more blocks I could see losing Dirk, or Wesley Matthews.

          • kenny kelly says:
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            @Slim:

            Funny thing you mentioned “losing” Dirk, I was just offered Al Jeff for him straight up. What’s your thoughts?

            Thanks again.

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              @kenny kelly: Take big Al!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @kenny kelly: Hah, I was going to point out the same names. Favors at 68 should never happen. And T Jones 125 definitely should never happen. Only little thing I see is assists – Curry and Holiday I love, but no big assists past that. Which is fine since everything else is nasty – nice work!

  87. Tony says:
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    Hey slim, JB AND razzers alike, what do you think of this deal:

    H2h fantasy points league/ 16 teamer/ live auction

    Pts =1
    Rebs 1.7
    Ast 3
    Treys4
    Stls 4.4
    Blocks 6.5

    I dealt my $27 Paul George for a $18 Klay. Thompson?

    Keep up to 4, subtract their salaries from $200 & that’s my auction bidding cash……

    Keeps now, harden $54, Sapper $35, klay $18& john Henson $9

    $84 to buy 4 dudes then we do a 5 round snake reserve to complete our teams?

    Whatdya think? Good move? I feel good yet iffy bc $27 Paul George’s just don’t happen……

    • Slim

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      @Tony: I love how valuable steals and blocks are in this league, which unfortunately really hurt Klay’s value. Overall though I’m fine with it. Keeping George meant punting the season and that’s just not a viable option for me.

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        @Slim: thanks Slim…. ya i can’t punt, i’m not that guy, go for it every year, worry about next year when it comes….

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Tony: I’m not a punter either, I like the deal. In a points league with the nice 4 points for treys I think Klay is solid there, especially for the value of the trade.

  88. Nishinga says:
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    So the big day came and my real draft is this:
    (10 Team, 13 Players, 9 Cat, H2H, 10th pick)

    10 – John Wall
    11 – Ibaka
    30 – Horford
    31 – Vucevic
    50 – Jrue Holiday
    51 – Victor Oladipo
    70 – Pau Gasol
    71 – Kyle Korver
    90 – Jonas Valanciunas
    91 – Jose Calderon
    110 – Giannis Antet
    111 – Reggie Jackson
    130 – Draymond Green

    I’m really worried because I’m pretty good all-around, can’t see anything I’m punting and it scares me.
    Interesting free agents that no one took: Jared Sullinger,Terrance Jones!!!, Jordan Hill, John Henson, Jodie Meeks.

    Any thoughts?

    • Tony says:
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      @Nishinga: sully T-jones or Henson will be more valuable than draymond Green…… The wildness of a 10 teamer

      I’m in a 16 teamer and all those dudes will be KEPT

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        @Tony: Both T-Jones and Henson will take my FT% down further then Draymond Green, I’m also hoping that he’ll get the starting role so I’m not sure they’ll be more valuable but only time will say. In the worst case scenario I’ll change him.

        I looked again at my team and it seems I won’t score a lot of points and will get pretty much high TO, so I guess I’m punting these stats.

    • Slim

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      @Nishinga: Interesting… It’s a nice draft but those are some amazing free agents. You’re going to hate this considering where you drafted him but I would drop Valanciunas for TJones. Your FT% is just fine so you would lose a could of boards to get an extra half a steal, block, and 3ptm. Draymond vs Hensons could go either way. I’m good with Draymond though and wait and see how the rotations shake out.

      • Nishinga says:
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        @Slim: Wow to drop Valanciunas sounds very risky since I’m not that strong on boards and I’m pretty good on blocks, though the 3ptm will help. I’m also not sure that T-Jones will get the same minutes he had last year, McHale said that the PF position is open for competition.
        Maybe I could trade Valanciunas and one more guy to get some good PF/C and after I could pick up T-Jones.

        • Slim

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          @Nishinga: I know, I’m just not a big believer in JV being much more than what I projected. But I think TJones could be a lot more. I read McHales comments as being directed toward Moteijunas who has really struggled with toughness. Basically saying, “if you want minutes you better be able to defend someone.” I still don’t think he can… What helps Jones also is that he can play some center minutes which I don’t think Moteijunas can do. I’m not too concerned with his minutes this year, especially with Parsons and Asik gone.

          I think your boards are just fine and TJones is no slouch and will be asked to rebound at a high level.

  89. A Hill O' Beans says:
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    With Swaggy P gone for 8 weeks, does Wes Johnson move up at all? If so where would you rank him now?

    • Slim

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      @A Hill O’ Beans: Eh, not much. Still just a late round upside gamble. He could get a few extra minutes in the early going but I don’t think he’s going to see 30 minutes for the year so I wouldn’t reach.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @A Hill O’ Beans: I will probably move him up maybe 10ish in my ranks, but yea not much. Let’s see, I think 151 sounds about right, right after Marcus Morris for a quick and dirty rerank

  90. MAC says:
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    Razzup guys?! in the middle rounds, if u have say westbrook holiday already as pg, who would u take in the 5th if teague and hayward available in a punt ft strategy?

    • Slim

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      @MAC: Punt FT% means you have to win FG%. That’s going to make Hayward a pretty risky pick. 9 times out of 10 I would take Hayward… this is the 1 out of 10 I don’t.

      • MAC says:
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        @Slim:
        ok. tnx! fg% between the 2 is the deal breaker? me too, i like hayward more than teague. its just hayward gives more in other cats, with the roster flexibility as well being a sg/sf. and teagues advantage with assist is offset with haywards out of position dimes as well.

        • Slim

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          @MAC: Yeah what it comes down to for me is that in a punt FT% strategy I want my guards to be .450 or greater FG%. Losing FG% while punting FT% is absolutely unacceptable. Westbrook and Jrue are already taking it down and I would really try to avoid the potential killers like Hayward. After the all-star break Teague shot 48.0% FGs. That high end FG% potential is perfect in a punt FT% build.

          • MAC says:
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            @Slim:
            ok. obviuosly, going ft punt youll get drumm. and im going that route this year taking him as my 2nd round pick no matter what. so even with that anchor in drumm, then my second big would have to be deandre if avail at 4th round, if not il reach for favors. so with those anchors then getting fared at 6th, you wouldnt consder hayward over teague? hehe. my plan is getting 2 pg in the first 4, and 2 bigs. and getting 3 pg 3 bigs after 6. but yeah my conundrum is hayward over teague at 5. tnx!

  91. AC says:
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    Hey guys! These rankings were incredibly helpful, so thanks for all your hard work. Excited that basketball is back!

    Here’s my newly drafted team in my 10-team Yahoo head-to-head league (I had the 9th pick):
    9. Russell Westbrook
    12. Serge Ibaka
    29. Paul Millsap
    32. Chris Bosh
    49. Mike Conley
    52. Wes Matthews
    69. DeAndre Jordan
    72. Kyle Korver
    89. Brook Lopez
    92. Jose Calderon
    109. Tyreke Evans
    112 . Andrew Bogut
    129. John Henson

    Clearly I went big here and am punting on free throws (unless I can get rid of Bogut and/or Henson in a trade), but what are your thoughts on how I did? Do you see any categories I’m lacking in? Thanks!

    • Slim

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      @AC: There’s a few issues I see. 3 PGs isn’t enough, especially in a 10 teamer. It’s very big heavy and even though you have a couple of 3pt specialists I’m not sure it’s going to be enough. FTs really aren’t being punted with Bosh, Ibaka, and Lopez being solid FT shooters. I don’t think you need Jordan’s blocks and that’s the guy I would be looking to move for another PG.

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        @Slim:

        Makes sense, thanks. Just in case I can’t get anyone to trade this early, Elfrid Payton and Rodney Stuckey are both available for the extra PG spot. Is it worth it for me to drop Henson and pick up one of those two guys?

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          @AC: Just my opinion but I’d drop Bogut to pick up Elfrid. Bogut is bound to get injured soon enough, Henson is big upsidewithout huge risk.

        • Slim

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          @AC: He nailed it. Bogut can go for Elfrid Payton. I have zero faith in Bogut being ownable in a 10-teamer all year. I don’t think Elfrid should be available in any size league.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @AC: Agree times three!

  92. Joe says:
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    Quick question. Trailblazers camp on NBA TV was a few nights ago. They interviewed Aldridge and he said that he added a 3 point shot this season. He said Stotts was pushing him to shoot more 3’s last season but he wasn’t comfortable. He’s practiced it a lot this summer and will add it to his game this season.

    Would it be over the top to expect 1 3 a game from Aldridge this season? And if that’s the case, does his rank skyrocket?

    OR… is this just a bunch of hoopla?

    • Slim

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      @Joe: I would max him out where I put the Brow. 0.4 3s per game assuming he shoots about 2 per game. His value would slightly go up but I would be terrified of what it could do to his already very poor FG% for a big. If he’s shooting 3s in the preseason then I would avoid unless I’m drafting him on a punt FG% team or am pairing him with an extremely high FG% 1st rounder. I noticed most places have Aldridge as a 1st rounder which I do not and still would not even with 0.5 a 3ptm.

  93. Sio says:
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    Hey guys!

    Draft just ended and i wannna get your input on my team: 14 team 13 players H2H-one win so i’m punting fg% and TOs

    1. Curry
    2. Horford
    3. Lawson
    4. Rubio
    5. Kemba
    6. Korver
    7. Markieff
    8. Anteokounpo
    9. Danny Green
    10. McBob
    11. Henson
    12. Draymond Green
    13. Sims

    I was targeting hayward but kemba seemed to good to pass pud in this build. Also notable FA are: stuckey, mcdaniels, cj miles and brandan wright. Anyone you’d rather have from these for a punt fg and to team?

    • Slim

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      @Sio: I like Stuckey and McDaniels. 1st off I would look to move Korver. Maybe him and a sweetener for Hayward. I would go McDaniels over Sims. Sims doesn’t block shots and I think McDaniels will. Could probably go either way with McBob vs Stuckey but you need a 4th Center eligible guy so I guess he’s a hold. I really want to get Stuckey in somehow but I’m having trouble figuring out where.

      • Sio says:
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        @Slim: thanks for the input slim! You think my rebs will hold even if i replaced sims? Or is it better to just look for blks instead? I feel like im more behind in blks so better semi-punt (is that a thing?) it anyway…

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Sio: Semi-punt! Totally a thing. I personally would hold Sims since yea, it’s more a full-punt haha. McBob I would drop right now though, probs for Stuck.

          • Sio says:
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            @JB Gilpin: cool! So mcbob for stuckey too… and since its a full punt should i trade henson too? Who would be a good target?

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Sio: I think you got Henson at a good value, I think I might hold him and see how he starts. He could have a huge first couple of games then you could sell high for someone starting slow

  94. Rox says:
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    very first draft in a 16 team head to head. I had 11th pick. My team is as follows:
    Ibaka
    Dragic
    Oladipo
    Rubio
    Favors
    Terrence Jones
    Markieff Morris
    Henson
    Knight
    Evan Turner
    C.J Miles
    KC Pope
    Draymond Green
    Henry Sims
    Alex Len
    I was just taking the best available based on your rankings. I’ve never played fantasy bb before, so just from the comments of the drafters, it looks like you want point guards, and I tried to grab a couple quickly. Based on above comment, I put in claim to drop Sims and pick up McDaniels. What else should I do? I grabbed Evan Turner because it’s a dynasty league, and I read that he’s next to take rajon rondo’s spot in Boston. Thanks for the input.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Rox: Nice! Well let’s hope my rankings come through! In a 16 team, I obviously love team.

      Yup, and even more so you need PG early in a deeper league. Love your depth there.

      Personally, I like Sims a lot more. I would cancel that waiver, especially since you have blocks locked up with Henson/Ibaka/TJones/Favors. McDaniels is best for out of position SF blocks, Sims doesn’t block for a big, but does everything else well which is a good fit for you.

      Well Turner is a SG/SF, he won’t be taking Rondo’s spot. A mix of Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart will be getting PG minutes.

      No one else I would really want to trade or drop, I think you stand pat for the first few weeks and start owning!

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      @Rox: uhhhh not happening with Turner. Marcus Smart is rondo’s replacement, I’d look for him instead of Turner. KJ is nice cause he’s on a weird rookie contract, only one year, meaning if he does good he’ll get paid and get a good role which is good for dynasty.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @CTMN: @Rox: Maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t like KJ being on a year deal. Means he’s likely on another team next year, and I doubt there will be a similar opportunity for minutes. Made sense for him since the Sixers like to have flexibility with contracts, but I don’t like him being a bench player on other teams next year

  95. Manuel says:
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    One last One..
    H2H 10 Cat
    One last bench roster spot to fill…

    Draymond or Kelly O?

    Just based on minutes, across the board production, upside, etc.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Manuel: Def give me Draymond. Even the minutes I think Draymond can win as Olynyk is no lock there either.

      • Manuel says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Howsa Bout: Kelly O or Steven Adams

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          @Manuel: I’ll take Olynyk there, although long-term I think Adams will be a much better player. Still an uncertain role there in OKC.

  96. Kandeepan. says:
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    Hi there, do you have the rankings and projections in a dowloadable format?

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      @Kandeepan.: Not yet, probably will have that up tomorrow!

  97. Dan Yen says:
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    Great article JB, very informative helpful. Would you mind taking a look at my 12 team H2H punt FG team and share some of your thoughts.

    PG-Wall,Rubio,Kemba,Jennings
    SG-Alaphabet, Meeks
    SF-Gay, DeMarre, W. Johnson
    PF-Dirk, Frye
    C-Hibbert, Kieff

    Overall, I thought I drafted ok, locking up FT,3pts, asts, stls. Probably could use another scorer to make my team more competitive on the pts front.

    I grabbed Hibbert in the 8th rd with the intention of pairing him with Gibson in the 9th rd to shore up blks without sacrificing ft but Taj was gone by then. So should I try to flip Hibbert for a scorer or should I stay put and roll with this team?

    Thanks in advance for your valuable input!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dan Yen: Thanks man! Thanks for dropping by.

      Yeah I love the PG depth. I get the Hibbert pick, but I am very anti-Hibbert this year. Rebounds even if Hibbert bounces back will be a smidge light. I like the idea of going after a scorer instead, depending on who you can get. Can’t hurt to float some offers out there.

      Any time!

      • Dan Yen says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Thanks for the feedback!

        I will try to put a feeler Hibbert trade offer out there for Sully or Hawes. With Sully being the main target due to starter status and projected 15 pts scorer.

        Another way to go is to trade Hibbert for Afflalo team owner as he has Ibaka and has no other Bigs that blocks. If this trade went down, I prolly need to drop W. Johnson and pick up Bargs from the waiver as yahoo leagues requires 2 centers .

        Third option would be trade Hibbert for McBob and Sims which will leave me a bit thin on the wings as I would need to drop Johnson.

        Which of the three possible Hibbert trade scenerio do you like best?

        Thanks again!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Dan Yen: Ohhhh, I like the Afflfo offer a ton. And yeah, Bargnani will help the scoring as well. The first option – I like trading him for Hawes but I could see most people disagreeing with that. I dunno about for Sully though.

          I think I’d wait on option 3, and try for Afflalo first. I think that fits your team really well. Any time!

          • Dan Yen says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            After a few deals, my punt fg team looks like this

            PG-Wall, Kemba, Jennings, Knight
            SG-Tyreke, Afflalo
            SF-T-Jones,Alaphabet
            PF-Morris Twins (Kief and Marcus)
            C-Nowitzki, Frye, McBob

            By trading away Gay, Rubio, Hibbert for Knight,Tyreke,Afflalo,McBob,T-Jones in 3 separate deals, I think I have a pretty solid punt fg team. Although I may look to improve on the points cat as Alaphabet, McBob, Frye, Marcus don’t score much.

            I want to swing one my of swingman for Sully as I want another center eligable player for scoring and center depth. Who would u suggest from my roster to do that?

            Also I dropped Carroll for Marcus, thinking that PHO up tempo system will be more fantasy friendly plus Marcus may win starting SF gig from Tucker. While Carroll upside is more limited with Horford back and Thabo and Bazemore backing him up. Did I make the right move here?

            Thanks so much again for your valuable inputs~

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              @Dan Yen: Yeah I love it! Knight helps the low Points, but it is a slight concern.

              I’m mediocre on Sully, but even so the only guys I’d move for him would be McBob or Marcus Morris. Or Frye. But I knoe 2 of those are C guys you wanna keep. Everyone else I have decently ahead of Sully. If you really wanted him, I’d try a 2-for-2.

              I think I have Carroll higher, but just barely. No question Marcus has more upside. With a final roster spot, absolutely no issue with it.

              Any time!

  98. Killahdev says:
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    Hey guys thanks so much for all the knowledge y’all drop. I followed your projections/advice on a couple mock drafts now. Can you lemme know what you think? H2H 10 cat 14 team and I had the 3rd pick.

    1. Anthony Davis (NO – PF,C)
    2. Paul Millsap (Atl – PF,C)
    3. Ty Lawson (Den – PG)
    4. Ricky Rubio (Min – PG)
    5. Jabari Parker (Mil – SF)
    6. Jose Calderon (NY – PG)
    7. Darren Collison (Sac – PG)
    8. Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
    9. John Henson (Mil – PF,C)
    10. Jodie Meeks (Det – SG)
    11. Rodney Stuckey (Ind – PG,SG)
    12. Wesley Johnson (LAL – SG,SF)
    13. Shaun Livingston (GS – PG,SG)

    I stopped picking after Stuckey so pretty much up until him what do you think?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Killahdev: Love love love it! You got AD and I love MIllsap, then even with those first two, you were able to load up on PG. Jones and Henson were great picks late, as well as Henson and Stuckey. Looks a lot like a team of mine would if I had the second pick and got the Brow. Balanced, good %s, not too too bad in TO, I’m big on Parker so I think you have enough scoring, I give it an 11 out of 10

  99. Sio says:
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    Hey JB and Slim!

    should i do this trade?

    I give: curry, horford
    I get: harden, millsap

    I already have 3 other good pg’s: lawson, rubio and kemba and i’m punting fg and TO but im afraid i’ll lose dominance in asts…

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Sio: It’s very very close but I wouldn’t do it. I have Horford and Millsap neck and neck as second round sleepers, but I think Curry is a little bit of a distance ahead of Harden. That has me holding off

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        @JB Gilpin: thanks JB! I was leaning towards accepting because of the ft% bump harden gives. I’ll be sitting tight for now.

  100. TheMuppetManiac says:
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    My keeper league drafts on the 19th, so I still have time to change my 3 keepers. Right now I am keeping Noah in the 3rd round. I know he won’t be as good as last season, but we have a double double category and as long as he can give me that and blocks, I’m good. I’m also keeping Markieff Morris in the 15th round. As of now I’m keeping Carter-Williams in the 9th round. I’m a little worried about the shoulder. Should I keep him or keep Lillard in the second round and play it safe?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @TheMuppetManiac: yeah Noah certainly shoots up in a dubdub league. Man it’s tough throwing Lillard back, but you might be able to draft him in the 2nd yourself. I would keep those three you have penciled in, I love Morris this year but I like MCW in the 9th even more. Good luck in the draft!

      • TheMuppetManiac says:
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        @JB Gilpin:
        I have the second pick in the draft. Guys might change their sleepers, due to an injury. But John Wall will be the top ranked pick right now. He’s the only top ten guy not being kept. I’m not sure what the guy picking first will do, but if he doesn’t take Wall, I will. So if I get Wall, I’m ok not keeping Lillard. And there is a chance, if I don’t get Wall that I can get Lillard in the second round. I think guys will go for bigs, so maybe he slips till the end of the second round.

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          @TheMuppetManiac: Cool, yeah would be awesome to get Wall there if he’s passed on!

  101. cooler83 says:
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    Hey JB/Slim,

    I’m not sure how u can rank Blake Griffin over Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh is a roto stud that basically finished tied with Blake Griffin in the rankings last year. This year with an expanded role as the main go to guy, I see him breaking the top 15-20. Blake Griffin will turn the ball over much more and kill your FT% with his attempts. Bosh on the other hand has pristine %s and low TOs which is what you want from a big man.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @cooler83: Yeah Blake finished very marginally per game better over Bosh, but just because he turns the ball over and doesn’t shoot a better FT% doesn’t mean he doesn’t bring other things to the table. 3.9 APG last year from a PF is huge, and has been trending up. He shoots a better FG% (given, since he takes less 3s, but still) crushes Bosh in boards and should score a good 4 points more a night. I can’t fault taking Bosh before Griffin, but those big advantages in Pts/Reb/Asts I think outweigh the Bosh advantages in better FT%/3s/lower TO Bosh brings. For me of course :)

    • Slim

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      @cooler83: Yep, I see it the same as JB. I’m also concerned about Bosh’s FG% and TOs without LeBron handling the ball virtually every possession. The shots will be more difficult and the defenses will try to stop him. I’m not buying Bosh being the Bosh from his Toronto days, not to mention he’s starting to get a little long in the tooth. I like him in the 3rd round in a 12er. The 2nd round feels like a stretch.

      • cooler83 says:
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        @Slim:
        @JB Gilpin:

        Just think that last year even though BGriffin had an MVP-type year, he still finished only marginally ahead of a “held-back” Bosh rankings wise. I’m sure you have to expect some sort of resurgence from Bosh sans Lebron that has to increase his value and push him over Griffin. Even in his Toronto days, Bosh still turned the ball over in the low 2s compared to the high 2s from Griffin. Also, this was in Toronto when he did not have Wade and Deng to spread the wealth a little. I think the FG% concern with Bosh is not going to happen. Bosh has proven that he is around a 49-50% fg shooter even in Toronto. He will be fine. Also, with more reliance on offense, I expect a jump in minutes closer to 35 a game rather than 32 last year. I expect a line similar to 49 fg%, 79 ft%, 0.8 3ptm, 19.4ppg, 8.2 rebs, 1.5 assists, 1.1 stls, 1.1blks, 2.2 TOs. This line should far outproduce Griffin who should only beat Bosh in points (easy category to get) and assists, and slightly in rebs (1 more a game). I believe that Bosh’s positive impact in ft%, 3ptm which are rare for a big man, and the fact that Bosh basically blocks twice as much as Griffin should make this an easy pick. Not to mention the TOs for a big are more detrimental. If Griffin finishes above Bosh in any 9 cat player rater I will be amazed…..

        • JB Gilpin

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          @cooler83: “Resurgence” isn’t the word or phrase I’d use, I’d go “Slight bump in value”. I don’t know how you got to 8.2 rebounds for Bosh after being sub 7 the past two years. Sure no LeBron rebounding and 33 then 32 minutes in 12-13/13-14 but I don’t see him being an 8 per boarder. Then you talk about TO like low 2s and high 2s is absolutely killer but forgot to talk about the huge bump in assists. 1.5 vs. 4 is ridiculous, and a lot more to focus on from out-of-position rather than 0.3 or so treys vs. 0.8 you have for Bosh. Getting those treys made up late are much much easier than dimes. Gap in boards I see being over 2, tons more assists, and 0.6 BLK to 1.1 BLK – yes twice as much – is another small incremental advantage. Good debate to have though! You can get Bosh in the 2nd and I’ll take Blake in the 3rd :)

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            @JB Gilpin:

            Haha good debate for sure. How I got to 8.2 rebs for 2014-15 Bosh is after looking at his rebound stats from his first 2 years in Miami. Bosh was getting 36 min in the 1st year and 35 min in the 2nd year and that resulted in 8.3 rebs and 7.9 rebs respectively. In the last 2 years, Bosh got 33 and 32 min so I think that’s why you saw a decrease in rebs. I don’t think Miami plans to play Bosh less than 35 min due to the need for his offense so I don’t really think an estimate of 8ish rebs is out of the question for 2014-15.

            Secondly, I understand Griffin has a big advantage in assists which is a hard to find cat, but I think this won’t kill you as much in roto leagues as Griffin’s ft% will. If you draft Griffin, you will def get a bump in assists. If I drafted Bosh, I can easily balance the assist advantage in drafting more PGs in the 3rd-4th rounds like a Jrue/Rubio. Conversely, I don’t think you can really plan around balancing out Griffin’s ft% as easily. Pretty much, if you draft Griffin, you are going to be close to the bottom in ft%, plain and simple. Obviously the difference is not as great in h2h leagues where you can punt several cats. But in roto leagues, I think Bosh gets the nod.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @cooler83: Definitely buy they’re neck and neck in roto, but these ranks are mostly for H2H since that’s the format of RCLs.

              Problem with the boards is he’s stretching the floor so much now, he’s not getting OREB. Up with the treys to way career best 0.9, and down with OREB to way career low 1.2. Big correlation there. Not out of the question at all for 8, but I don’t think he gets there.

              In roto, yeah definitely there’s ways to build with Bosh doing it all, but you can build with Griffin too as long as you don’t get any of the Dwight/Drummo types. Worth noting he’s improved a ton past 3 seasons. But yes, in roto, they are much much closer. :)

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                @JB Gilpin:
                Makes sense. On another topic, George Hill is another guy that I’m really high on this year, along with David West. You have Hill ranked at 85 which I believe is way lower than what he is going to return in value this year. Hill ranked around 80 this year in 9 cat with reduced usage due to PG and Lance, and with them out of the equation, he should get closer to his 12-13 numbers, which I believe was in the 40ish range for 9-cat. Hill will produce an avg amount of assists (in the 5ish range) for a PG, but his value definitely lies in the low TOs, good ft%, and solid 3ptm (he should reach the high 1s this year). I think I would rank him just ahead of Collison in 9cat given the uncertainty in SAC with the 3-headed PG monster. Hill has a clearly defined starting role in Indiana and should get a ton of minutes that should return value in the 40-60 rather than 80-90. AND, he’s SG eligibile!

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @cooler83: Yup, low TO and decent treys is what he does. I think the TO go up a tiny bit more since he’ll be asked to do more, but I don’t think he goes from an 80th finish to that range. 5 dimes seems a teeny bit high. SAC isn’t a 3-headed monster, Colly and Sessions are going to play together at times and McCallum is way, way lost out for minutes. While I don’t think Colly plays quite the minutes of Hill, I think his role is guaranteed at at least 30 minutes given the Kings’ investment. And Collison should get a decent amount more steals. But yes, those two are closer than I think my ranks reflect.

  102. Blint says:
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    hey JB
    Are you guys doing Keeper League rankings ? I am going to be in a first year keeper league so I don’t know how to go about picking players for the draft. We can keep as many players as many players as we want at their draft round year after year!
    You have Wiggins at 61 how much is his upside2-3 years from now ? If he is going to be a first or second rounder every year in the future is it bad strategy to draft him 2nd round this year ?
    I am highly confused because I am getting into a serious league with serious $$ !
    PLEASE HELP! Please do an article for Keeper leagues!!!
    Thank you

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Blint: Hey man, sorry to be lame but don’t think we’ll have em this year! We put tons of research into ranks, so it’d be a ltitle too much to do too fast to crank em out this year. Next year – definitely will. But we will answer every question you have!

      Wiggins – nah I wouldn’t go 2nd round. I’d say 3rd. Still a slight bit of risk and you want to win now. If you personally think he’ll be a 1st or 2nd rounder every year, then yes definitely take him there. I think 3rd round build in now and me conservatively seeing him being a 2nd-3rd rounder in the next few seasons.

      Any other questions welcome of course!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        Damn :( Well the JB get ready for shit load of questions then ;)

        How about for every round I take the youngest player available? will try and make a sample roster and put it up so you can advice me on the roster !
        Thanks JB!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Blint: Sure thing on all the questions! But no, don’t just take the youngest available :) You still wanna win now, and even the mid-age vets have long-term appeal. Guys like Millsap, Aldridge, Blake Griffin, etc. Any time!

  103. keeperleaguequestions! says:
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    i play in a keeper league, auction draft, $15 is the minimum a player can be kept. My star keeper tragically got injured in the offseason (paul george for $30) but it leaves me with this.

    we can keep 3: it’s a weekly roto league 9-cat (to’s is a category)
    nicolas batum ($15)
    Paul Milsap ($15)
    Demarcus cousins ($40)
    blake griffin ($40)
    lebron james ($105)

    those are the only keeper worthy guys on my team. for a frame of reference, kevin durant is like $90, kevin love $60, whatever whatever.

    question 1: who do i keep (i can keep 3) i’ve had nicolas batum and demarcus cousins the last two years and i’ve won my league. i really believe players like batum or chandler parsons are a staple in a championship team (under the radar every category performer)

    question 2: do i package any of the above for a $40 james harden? who should i package?

    question 3: what rookies do i target? remember, keeper league, the guy who owns anthony davis for $22 in our league is laughing in our face w with that pick he made 2 years ago! (and is locked in at that keeper price)

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      @keeperleaguequestions!: also, i took the strategy last year of bagging point guard. i rolled with the hot hand of kendall marshall/brandon jennings/d.j. augustin basicallly whatever hot hand there was. i basically punted assists but managed to win them quite a few weeks due to jennings/batum/lebron.

      that being said, think it’s a decent strategy again? i plan on winning all percentage categories, 3’s, rebounds, steals,, blocks (until i play the anthony davis owner) and points scored, and lose out on assists/ turnovers every week

      i feel like a point guard is like a closer in baseball. as are the 3 point category.

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        @keeperleaguequestions!: full disclosure, i didn’t punt point guard until the playoffs/championship. we play in a keeper league, and the nature of the beast is you sell off cheap keepers for stars. I dealt a $15 john wall to a $105 lebron owner who had no shot. After reading comments above it sounds like punting assists is not the way to go!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @keeperleaguequestions: Ugh, yeah George really hurt the keeper/dynasty owners… Rough one…

          1 – Totally buy that on Batum. Last year I was a little anti-Batum because most places had him as a second rounder, which was too high. Had a great 3rd-rounder kind of year again and should in 14-15. My #1 keeper is actually Millsap. Underrated last year and I think will be even better. Then agree with Cuz and Batum for your 3.

          2 – Whewwwww, I wanna say yes. Great value for Harden. Batum and Griffin for him? You’re throwing Griffin back anyway if you went with my 3, so it’s worth a shot.

          3 – Damn, great value for the Brow! Wiggins should easily go for the most, and it’ll probably be astronomical. Might make Parker a value. Also like Elfrid Payton even though there will be growing pains, and Stauskas for cheap later on.

          Haha yeah I don’t like punting assists, and feel PG help anchor winning teams more than other positions. The good ones will provide a lot of stability, and I don’t think the value of guys popping off the wire this year will be as valuable as what you got from K-Marsh and Augustin. Injuries do happen though!

          Thanks for stoppin by!

  104. Viz says:
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    I get to keep 5 in a 8 category rotisserie league (no TO). I assume Millsap, Jefferson, Irving and Lillard are no-brainers. Do I keep Bledsoe, Ellis, Leonard or Favors as my fifth? Thanks.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Viz: Yup to all of your locked in 4. While no TO is good for PG, I think you gotta still go Leonard as your 5th. Any time!

  105. Smush9 says:
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    Wassup guys! Couldn’t reply in the previous thread that we had anymore. Haha. Added Marcus Morris instead of Marvin Williams. Didn’t realize til just now that he was still available. Fingers crossed his minutes get a good bump up. Pretty bummed bout Frye’s injury. Hope it’s not serious though. What y’all think? Had good expectations for him this year.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Smush9: Ran outta room in that thread! OH yessir, totally with that move. I am moving Frye out of my top 100, but barely. Not boding well so far. But I’m not panicking if I own him yet.

  106. Houdini says:
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    Whats up guys.

    I already picked

    Blake Griffin
    Russell West
    Vucevic
    Kemba Walker
    Ricky Rubio
    Valunciunas

    I dont know who to pick next. I have a headache in picking who’s next. Please slim/Jb help me. What category will i pick next? Already on the 7th round. Thanks guys.

    10players 9cats

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Houdini: Hey man! So your PG depth is pretty solid, steals are definitely taken care of, so I’d look for a good wing if one if avail. Ariza? That or if any good shot blockers are out there since JVal/Vuc/Griff – none are great at blks

      • Houdini says:
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        I have a back to back pick. What should i get

        Monroe
        Ariza
        Korver
        Zach
        Kevin martin?
        Giannis?
        Terrence jones
        Taj?

        Massive headache. Thank you for your time.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Houdini: Ariza is a definite guy to pick first. Then I’d gamble on Giannis vs those other guys. Korver and his 3s is a superfluous next to Ariza. Any time!

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            @JB Gilpin:

            I would greatly appreciate your take on my team below. Just finished our offline draft and i think my team has a problem. I listen to your thoughts to get Ariza and Korver. 10Teams 13Players Roto 9Cat 9th pick

            Blake Griffin
            Russell West
            Vucevic
            Kemba Walker
            Ricky Rubio
            Valunciunas
            Ariza
            Korver
            T. Harris
            Greek Freak
            Beverley
            T. Chandler
            Morrow

            Thanks much man!

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Houdini: Yeah roto Ariza and Korver are awesome. I think you did enough to cover Blake’s FT, and I think he improves there as time goes on. Only thing that might be middle of the pack is FG%, Blake is great there but I think Wesbrook is rough early, but everything else looks awesome!

  107. DK says:
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    I am skeptical about Brewer at 99. Wiggins is already there, and I am not sure if he can still replicate similar stats to last season.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @DK: I have him there for the steals and think he can surprise as a rebounder with a team playing a little faster and no Love (I’ve always thought he could turn into a decent boarder, I know it hasn’t happened yet, just like him as an athlete). 1.4 steals a game in only 24 mins in 12-13, Wiggins is gonna play a lot of SF too.