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Close to wrapping up the positions at PF, there’s a really interesting dynamic looking at my PF ranks.  Sure you can not agree with where I have guys, but I think it’s pretty undeniable there’s a big dropoff from the middle round guys (ending with Zach Randolph, Thaddeus Young and Kenneth Faried) to the deep guys.  As I’ve said before, if drafting on Yahoo the positional scarcity isn’t nearly as big a factor with their position criteria, but if drafting on other fantasy sites, I would be sure to grab one of those top 20ish pure PFs so I’m not stuck with one of the guys in my 30s.

As mentioned before, all Razzball ranks are broken down by Yahoo position eligibility (view all top 200 here), so there won’t be direct positional crossover to other fantasy sites:

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2013-2014 Fantasy PF Rankings

(updated Oct. 8)

1 2 LeBron James, SF/PF, MIA Still think an elite season coming, but can’t question KD at 1 overall anymore.  But at PF, easy call for first.
2 6 Serge Ibaka, PF/C, OKC I’ll reach, scored 4 more a game, developing deep shot, 57.3 FG% 12-13.  Westbrook injury now has him a key scorer as well, but obviously doesn’t move above the big 5 overall.
3 10 Kevin Love, PF/C, MEM First-round talent, injury downside.  Slides into top-ten overall with Westbrook injury.
4 15 Al Horford, PF/C, ATL Millsap is more efficient than Josh Smith, love Teague, big year for big Al.
5 17 Al Jefferson, PF/C, CHA Charlotte finally has a big, offense will run through him.
6 19 Carmelo Anthony, SF/PF, NY Elite scoring, sure, think boards go down and a little injury prone.
7 21 LaMarcus Aldridge, PF/C, POR Would move 5-6 spots up if guaranteed with POR all year – trade concerns.  A tad gimpy right now.
8 22 Anthony Davis, PF/C, NO Huge second half, lots of scorers coming in a slight concern.
9 23 Dirk Nowitzki, PF, DAL After working his way back, elite Hall-of-Famer we’re used to in 2nd half.
10 25 Josh Smith, SF/PF, DET Has opportunity, very volatile in his value.
11 26 Joakim Noah, PF/C, CHI Injuries will be concerning, but very big year from Noah in 12-13, Rose = FG% up.
12 27 Larry Sanders, PF/C, MIL GM calls him key to the team, contract extention in works, big year ahead.
13 28 Ersan Ilyasova, SF/PF, MIL Easy to overlook he was coming off the bench before Skiles fired, huge 2nd half.
14 31 David Lee, PF/C, GS Often underrated, not worried about the hip injury that’s healed up.
15 34 Pau Gasol, PF/C, LAL Bye-bye Dwight, hello to old ways.  Or would it be hola?
16 35 Nikola Vucevic, PF/C, ORL Not only a double-double guy, 2 ast 1 stl 1 blk a game as well.
17 37 Tim Duncan, PF/C, SA Dream season last year, think he’ll come close to duplicating going for title.
18 38 Paul Millsap, PF, ATL Only 27, played only 30:26 a night last year, will flourish in ATL.
19 40 Rudy Gay, SF/PF, TOR Buying all things Raptors, solid multi-cat contributor.
20 43 DeMarcus Cousins, PF/C, SAC Still risky, one of fantasy’s biggest high risk/reward picks yet again.
21 44 Blake Griffin, PF, LAC Despite hardcore fantasy player’s hate, there’s still upside, but I won’t reach.
22 45 Jeff Green, SF/PF, BOS Huge, huge upside with extraordinary breakout potential.
23 49 Chris Bosh, PF/C, MIA Under-the-radar (at least to me) very productive 12-13 despite dwindling skill set/rebounding.  Some further regression.
24 50 Derrick Favors, PF/C, UTA The Jazz have a ton of faith in him, oozes potential/high block total.
25 57 Tobias Harris, SF/PF, ORL My boyfriend from last year, flashed fantastic goodness in 2nd half.  Will start.
26 58 Chandler Parsons, SF/PF, HOU Fantastic 12-13, think he has another great, efficient season.
27 63 Ryan Anderson, PF/C, NO Despite new faces, don’t think his role/numbers change much.
28 66 David West, PF, IND Solid 12-13, another solid 13-14.
29 67 Zach Randolph, PF/C, MEM Read West, David.
30 70 Thaddues Young, SF/PF, PHI Someone has to score in Philly, right?  Actually a pretty good 12-13 as well.
31 86 Kenneth Faried, PF, DEN Love the Manimal in real life, think his fantasy value can be a little overrated.
32 91 Carlos Boozer, PF/C, CHI One of my least favorite players, is actually going a bit underrated in 13-14.
33 92 Andre Drummond, PF/C, DET Sure some upside, but 37.1 FT%?  Really?
34 100 Amir Johnson, PF/C, TOR Despite probably a sub-10 PPG scorer, gave you 1 stl 1.4 blks last year.
35 101 Cody Zeller, PF/C, CHA A surprise from Summer ball, there’s upside playing next to Jefferson.
36 103 Chris Kaman, PF/C, LAL Thrived when he’s gotten starting minutes, will be vastly undervalued.
37 104 Kevin Garnett, PF/C, BKN Kidd says he’ll bench KG on back-to-backs, #s still there last year, down a bit this year.
38 106 Anderson Varejao, PF/C, CLE The unreal rebounds are tough to ignore, but less minutes, Bynum = less value.
39 114 Andrei Kirilenko, SF/PF, BKN Never been a huge fan, but will still get minutes behind old former Celtics.
40 117 Shawn Marion, SF/PF, DAL I don’t buy a repeat, but Marion was huge last year under-the-radar.
41 121 Tristan Thompson, PF/C, CLE Loved him before Bynum/Bennett brought in, Bynum hurt, TT could start.
42 133 Anthony Bennett, SF/PF, CLE Frontcourt is loaded, but loaded with injury-prone guys.  Still won’t reach for #1 pick.  Showing conditioning problems recovering from off-season shoulder surgery.
43 134 Gerald Wallce, SF/PF, BOS Will get minutes early, he’s getting shopped, probably loses value on deadline deal as I doubt he gets traded into a big role.
44 136 ↑ Andrea Bargnani, PF/C, NYK Apparently gelling well with Melo and Amar’e is still hurt.  Not going to go nuts for him, but upside warrants the slight boost.
45 137 Nene Hilario, PF/C, WAS Adds 3 dimes a game, but up there in age and not a guy I’m drafting earlier.
46 139 Metta World Peace, SF/PF, NY Should play despite not playing under this name.  Probably avoiding.
47 140 Brandan Wright, PF/C, DAL Dalembert the de facto starter, but I see Wright getting upper 20 minutes a night.
48 145 John Henson, PF/C, MIL Won’t get boatloads of minutes, but his per/48 is fantastic and can contribute.
49 150 J.J. Hickson, PF/C, DEN Behind Faried and McGee, will still get pretty solid minutes.
50 157 ↓ Amar’e Stoudemire, PF/C, NY Name value probably has him going earlier, not touching him.
51 165 Luis Scola, PF/C, IND Relegated to the bench, still has efficient scoring upside.
52 168 Tayshaun Prince, SF/PF, MEM Starts, gets minutes, will give you a tiny bit of scoring.
53 173 Carl Landry, SF/PF, SAC Revolving door at the 4 for the Kings, I think Landry is most consistent.
54 174 Nerlens Noel, PF/C, PHI Will get eased in, always a chance he has big last couple of months.
55 176 Kosta Koufos, PF/C, MEM Was productive in only 22 minutes/per last year, will get 18-20 and a few boards.
56 177 Brandon Bass, PF/C, BOS Unclear role with Humphries/Wallace stealing some minutes.
57 179 Markieff Morris, PF, PHX Hey, he’s starting.  Deep leagues could do worse this late.
58 180 Glen Davis, PF/C, ORL Hurt, probably misses opener, they’re trying to dump him – 180 from my thoughts in May.
59 182 Thomas Robinson, PF, POR This deep, there’s late-season upside if LA gets moved/hurt.
60 183 Patrick Patterson, PF/C, SAC P Pat is stuck in that 3-man PF rotation with Landry/Jason Thompson.
61 184 Antawn Jamison, PF, LAC He’s old but can still score off the bench as a mid-week streamer.
62 185 Ed Davis, PF/C, MEM Randolph is reliable but old, Davis showed potential with TOR in 1st half of 12-13.
63 193 DeMarre Carroll, SF/PF, ATL I always thought he was underrated, will see decent minutes as reserve 2/3.
64 198 Marressee Speights, PF/C, GS Think he’s a better player than opportunities he’s been given, works into mins.
65 200 Boris Diaw, PF/C, SA Just so fun to say his name like Rick Flair, he had to be my Mr. Irrelevant!
  1. Mike says:

    I like Ed Davis late as my pick in a 16 team league

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @Mike: Yeah I buy that, has shown improvements in his career just two reliable, big-minute guys ahead of him as the only reason I have him so low.

  2. John says:

    Ilyasova’s minutes last year was around 27-29 MPG and Henson was around 13MPG, since you said that Henson will see around 22 minutes of action this year, then does it mean that Ilyasova’s minutes will decrease instead of increasing? Can we see Henson in C and Ilyasova in SF? Will Henson be a hindrance to Ilyasova’s fantasy potential? What is your prediction for both of them? Thanks.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @John: No, Ilyasova will easily play low to mid 30s a night, the only reason Sova’s minutes were so low was because Skiles was playing him off the bench earlier in the year. But yea, could see Henson and Ilyasova on the court a lot since Sova is such a perimeter guy to Henson down low. I have Ilyasova really high, think he can replicate his second half at 17/9/1.5/1/0.5 and get almost 2 3’s a game.

  3. John says:

    What do you think of Melo-Kobe swap? Who wins? and Thad Young and Ilyasova swap? Sam Presti isn’t sure about Westbrook’s return. I do hope he returns in the opener and still have the same explosiveness and stats! Should I worry about Westbrook since I drafted him 1st round?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @John: I’d rather have Melo. Definitely want Ilysova over Thad Young, have them very far apart in the ranks. I’m not worried about Westbrook at this moment, but if its still hazy he’ll diss a few games in a few weeks, Ill move him down some.

  4. Kenny says:

    I don’t get the love for Vucevic. And I’m a Magic fan.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @Kenny: 34th last year on Basketball Monster in per game value, 27th in overall value, and that was with everyone getting hurt too. I don’t think he’ll have any problem duplicating what he did last year and that’s reflected in his ranking.

  5. Matthew says:

    I have a serious question about David Lee because I am a huge fan an he is largely underrated.

    Why is he ranked to high (or low, however you look at it)

    He is a stat stuffer. Great FG%, a 20/10 guy who can pass the ball via his Assist totals every year, low on the steals and blocks but you can find that through other guys ala Conely, Paul, etc. Great FT % for a big?

    Just curious. He helped me won a chip. Especially with a guy like curry on the court.

    GS is just so intriguing, would of been nice if they kept Jack even if they got Igoudala.

    Don’t you also think Igoudala will benefit from playing with a team like GS? He had a mediocre year but he is still in the elite tier, no?

    I am not a Warriors fan btw hahaha.

  6. Bob Franklin says:

    I do not see Derrick Williams on the list. Are you that low on him, or did you forget about him???

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @Bob Franklin: Low on him. Although Love missing significant time with injury is a higher probability than a lot of guys, I think it would take Love missing a lot of the season for Williams to get enough run to be big-time fantasy worthy. However, Budinger having another minor knee surgery could have Williams playing some 3, so maybe he slides into my next update since I’m probably dropping Budinger out.

  7. Scrappy says:


    good stuff brother – keep it coming.

    regarding Favors – how but of a bump up in minutes are you expecting this season from last?
    I have seen some varying rankings on the guy so I am having a hard time knowing were to slot him in drafts. what kind of stat line do you project for DF?

    please and thank you,

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:

      @Scrappy: Thanks Scrap! Really appreciate it. I’d guess 32-33 minutes a night with a line about 14/10/2/1/2.8. Serviceable numbers with elite blocks.

      • Scrappy says:

        @JB Gilpin: thanks Gilp! – that’s very serviceable.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:

          @Scrappy: No prob! Like Favors a lot.

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