Man, crazypants Thursday night!  I know what you’re all thinking…  “A live reaction to the madness would be better!”  Well, hopefully you downloaded and listened to our Draft Day Live Podcast!  If not, listen to it while reading this if you have a fluky-good, multi-tasking mind.  It’s tough for me to read while listening to a Podcast, it’s like that feeling when someone just starts shouting random numbers at you when you’re trying to count.  1-2-3-4-5 “17!” 6-7-8 “22!” 8… 8…  ugh, I lost my spot!  Assholes…

The first 9 picks went fairly unsurprisingly, although we did miss on virtually everything in our Mock Draft.  Pretty sure I beat Slim 2-1 overall (edit – ugghhhh Slim’s right he got Zizic, we tied, ahhhhh!)!  Then when the Bucks made their 10th pick…  All hell broke loose!  Dudes I joked around about as 2nd round sleepers getting picked in the lottery, Suns making baller trades, someone’s twitter getting hacked…  Oh wait, that was the NFL draft.  I guess it wasn’t quite THAT crazy!  Here’s my analysis for each rookie’s fantasy impact, along with my grade for each team’s pick in a real-life context and my guess at where each rookie will rank in my 2016-17 redraft rankings to come out this summer:

1. Philadelphia 76ers – Ben Simmons – F

On our live podcast, both Slim and I were intrigued by the 2.0 steals he averaged a game at LSU.  A lot higher than I had remembered on the D end, while having great numbers as a scorer and facilitator.  Great fix on the Sixers, who need another playmaker on the wing other than RobCov jacking 10 threes a game.  I can’t see many ways Simmons wouldn’t be 2016-17’s top fantasy-ranked rookie.

JB’s Grade: A+: Just because the Sixers didn’t screw it up.

Redraft Rank Guess: 75

2. Los Angeles Lakers – Brandon Ingram – F

SF of the future to fill Kobe’s shoes!  Ain’t no thang…

Despite being a 41% shooter from deep in his freshman season at Duke, I always thought his shot looked a little flat and I’m not sure how well it will translate to the NBA perimeter.  We shall see. He should get a handful of steals and blocks, but I don’t know if he gets to 1/1 in his rookie year.  Should be pretty solid, but with some massive ups and downs.  It does help that Luke Walton is gonna run this young team to death…

JB’s Grade: A+: Hey, at least they didn’t reach for Dunn like ESPN’s Jay Williams suggested right before the draft.  Way to have confidence in your fellow Dookies.

Redraft Rank Guess: 87

3. Boston Celtics – Jaylen Brown – F

Jaylen was #4 on a ton of lists right after the lottery was selected, so this isn’t “too” crazy of a pick.  A lot of people clamored for Dunn, but I agree with another popular sentiment that they should’ve traded this pick for something.  Now you get a project to clog up your deep-without-super-talent roster; a guy who struggled offensively with a meh supporting cast at Cal.  He doesn’t get AST/STL/BLK and turns it over.  He’s a slasher, not a shooter, so this is T.J. Warren with more turnovers… The high pick will cloud some dynasty league judgment here.

JB’s Grade: C-: Celtics must’ve not gotten offered much, because after picks 1-2, the dropoff to the rest of the field was like a 3-tier difference.

Redraft Rank Guess: 190

4. Phoenix Suns – Dragan Bender – C

I apparently need to watch Futurama!  Dude is super tall, lanky and skinny, and the Suns want nothing more than Kristaps Porzingis.  Wait, nothing more?!  They’d be ECSTATIC if that happened!

More a stretch-4 than pure C, Bender would line up next to Alex Len pretty well.  But I think he comes off the bench most of this season, and puts up half Porzingis numbers in about half the minutes.  Which would be about 7/3.5/1/0.5/1 with half a three.  Meh, maybe he’ll board a tad more than that, but that’s what I got.  Much less poisonous of a Goose.

JB’s Grade: B+: Suns had an awesome night.

Redraft Rank Guess: 140

5. Minnesota Timberwolves – Kris Dunn – G

Not a big surprise here, as Ricky Rubio is all over the trade blocks like playing Jenga while eating chips and salsa.  That makes no sense!  Dunn is a very big and defensively capable PG, but I do worry a little bit about his offensive game.  When Slim and I looked at his college numbers on the Pod, we landed on a very enigmatic PG as the comp.  See if you can guess as you read along: He’s tall at 6’3.  Shot decent, but 35% and 37% beyond the arc the last two years, so perimeter shot is a little in question.  Turned it over 4.2/game as a jun. and 3.5 as a sen.  Not great.  Rebounds well, gets a ton of steals, and can sneak in a block.  But at the cost of a high-volume 68.6 and 69.5% FT shooting clip jun. and sen. seasons.  Are you thinking of who I’m thinking of?!  Yes, this could be the next MCW!

JB’s Grade: B+: Fits Wolves plans and makes sense If they can deal Rubio.  Barely misses an A because it sounds too much like MCW…

Redraft Rank Guess: 118

6. New Orleans Pelicans – Buddy Hield – G

Wooooooo!  On a wild draft night, at least I got one of the non-first two picks right in our Mock!  The Pelicans DESPERATELY need perimeter scoring, and Hield fits them like Pelicans can fit in body casts.  Hopefully Hield can avoid these awful trainers!  While his ThrAGNOF game should translate well, that’s all we can really expect.  Steals went down soph.-sen. seasons while his minutes went well up.  TO also went up with no changes to assists.  This is a scorer and a 3-point shooter through and through, although for redraft, there is going to be some value in that and is likely my 3rd rookie off the board.

JB’s Grade: A: Makes sense on a lot of levels.

Redraft Rank Guess: 98

7. Denver Nuggets – Jamal Murray – G

Guard isn’t really a huge need for the Nuggets as they rebuild, but they stick with it anyway.  What’s disappointing is they came out and said Gary Harris is still their guy, so what gives?!  At 6’5, Murray probably isn’t big enough to play SF down the road and his stats are pure ThrAGNOF.  I’m sure they’re hoping for a Devin Booker-esque breakthrough, but I dunno if I see it.

JB’s Grade: B-: TOO MANY WINGS!  Something I’ve never said while eating them though…

Redraft Rank Guess: 135

8. Phoenix Suns (traded from Sacramento Kings) – Marquese Chriss – F

What a night for the Suns!  They move up from 13th to 8th with their second pick by throwing in the 28th pick and the rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic…  He’s 23 and still doesn’t want to come to the NBA yet!  He’s already declined coming for the 2016-17 season, so ummmm, great job Kings.

The Suns get a stretch 5 and a stretch 4, both with huge upside in their skillsets, in an absolutely killer Draft night.  Chriss was flying up draft boards to the 5-6 range, which makes the Suns’ move even more surprising.  He’s still a bit of a work in progress, but averaged 13.8 Pts with 0.6 3PTM and 1.6 BLK as a freshman.

JB’s Grade: A: Now the Suns might consider holding their guards… This could be a really interesting team in 2-3 years.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

9. Toronto Raptors – Jakob Poeltl – C

Portal!  At least, Adam Silver made it sound like there’s an R in there…

The Raptors get an NBA-ready 7-footer so they don’t have to think twice about Bismack Biyombo leaving in free agency.  Unfortunately with more minutes (assumedly against starters the whole time vs. some minutes off the bench), his blocks went down from fresh. to soph. seasons.  Offensive game has some better polish than I expected, but I’m unsure about the upside…

JB’s Grade: B: Makes sense and fits, but is Poeltl really any different than some “meh” vet at backup center?  I dunno…

Redraft Rank Guess: 180

10. Milwaukee Bucks – Thon Maker – C

This is where things started getting out of control.  The Bucks – who need G depth and have too many centers – draft a total project (and porn star!) who hasn’t played beyond high school competition in Canada and is… not a G.  Michael Wilbon joked about possible question marks on his age, but if Maker is in his young 20s and still this raw, that’s a problem.  I’m proud for the kid given his background, but that can’t cloud my thoughts on this pick.  Best case scenario he’s John Henson with a worse rebounding and block rate and a little more offense.  Yeesh.

JB’s Grade: F: This pick is a franchise-killing-Maker.  Way to get caught in the buzz, Bucks.

Redraft Rank Guess: 1,000+

11. Oklahoma City Thunder (traded from Orlando Magic) – Domantas Sabonis – F

I hated this pick for the Magic, but it makes more sense on the Thunder who will add an NBA-ready PF to their rotation.  The full trade of Serge Ibaka to the Magic for Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and the rights to Sabonis means huge minutes for Steven Adams and Enes Kanter, with Ilyasova, Sabonis, and Mitch McGary off the bench.  Actually it’s a pretty solid mix, with KD playing some 4 if he stays.  It would take some injuries for Sabonis to really do much for us in fantasy though – and if he does get run, his resemblance to Kanter is unKanny.  Pts/Reb/FG%/FT% and nada everywhere else.

JB’s Grade: B+: OKC adds some depth for losing Ibaka, plus get Oladipo for the backcourt.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

12. Atlanta Hawks (traded to Utah Jazz) – Taurean Prince – F

The Hawks still plan to bring Kent Bazemore back, but even if they do, useful wing minutes were few and far between behind Bazemore’s breakout.  That said, this pick isn’t teeming with upside and feels a little blah for a return in the Jeff Teague deal.  I’m sure dumping Teague’s 8 mil helps for making plays at this huge upcoming free agency, but meh.  Now, if Bazemore goes somewhere else, it wouldn’t be the biggest shock to see Prince start on opening night or at least play more minutes behind vet Thabo Sefolosha.

JB’s Grade: B-: It works, but I dunno how competitive the Hawks are going to be the next few years and Prince lacks some upside.

Redraft Rank Guess: 163

13. Sacramento Kings (traded to Phoenix Suns) – Georgios Papagiannis – C

Another one of our porn stars, I was shocked to see the Big Greek drafted in the first round, much less IN THE LOTTERY!  Then on top of drafting a “only-offense-I-can-do-is-in-the-paint” center in Willie Cauley-Stein last year, they do it again with a post-only 7’2 guy.  Doesn’t really make much sense.  Lord give me strength.

JB’s Grade: F: F is for Feta.  I like PapaJohnnis’ upside, but this is the wrong team.  Maybe they drafted him to hang out with Kosta Koufos.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

14. Chicago Bulls – Denzel Valentine – G

The Bulls get an NBA ready wing, but are the Bulls really playing for much right now?  I like the upside of a running mate next to Jimmy Buckets, but he’s likely opening the season behind the epic blah-ness of Doug McDermott and Mike Dunleavy.  I really think an upside big would’ve made more sense.  Valetine could rack up some popcorn Pts/Reb/Ast stats, but I dunno if he does much more.

JB’s Grade: C-: I get it, Bulls need facilitating, but it seems like they should rebuild.

Redraft Rank Guess: 195

15. Denver Nuggets – Juan Hernangomez – F

The Nugs have done pretty well with imports, and sounds like he’s staying overseas for now.  I’m getting more and more on board with draft-and-stashing, especially with caps expanding for some crazy free agency splashes in the next two years.

JB’s Grade: A: Even if BOTH Jokic and Nurkic work out, Hernangomez as a stretch 4 will fit well next to either.

Redraft Rank Guess: —

16. Boston Celtics – Guerschon Yabusele – F

I hadn’t heard much on this guy, but he’s a huge body down low that can also stretch the floor and hit 3s.  Again, very intrigued with the draft-n-stash strategy here, especially since the Celtics have so many picks and can try to add him to their roster for 17-18 instead.

JB’s Grade: A+: Perfect move for the Celtics so they have money to sign their picks yet still can make a big FA move.

Redraft Rank Guess: —

17. Memphis Grizzlies – Wade Baldwin – G

Damn!  I was one pick off on this one!  Great fit for the Grizzlies to add some PG depth either behind Mike Conley or if they lose him to free agency.  Baldwin is tall and athletic as hell, but still a little bit of a project offensively.

JB’s Grade: B+: The Grizzlies probably hope he doesn’t have to play too much this year, but he can be a contingency. 

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

18. Detroit Pistons – Henry Ellenson – F

One of Slim’s favorites in this draft, I was also pretty surprised he fell this far from the lottery.  He’s tall, polished, has a great offensive game and no slouch on D.  As a freshman at Marquette, went 17.0 Pts 9.7 Reb 75% FT with 0.9 3ptm and 1.5 Blk.  The overall FG% was a little iffy, but he’s a scorer in all facets on O.  Sadly, Stan Van made it sound like Ellenson is on the outside looking in for big minutes in his rookie year.

JB’s Grade: A+: Also in that interview, Stan Van said they had Ellenson 10th on their board and we at Razzball had him going inside the top 10.  Amazing value. 

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

19. Denver Nuggets – Malik Beasley – G

I like Beasley, but really Nuggets?  ANOTHER wing?!  And he’s another shooter, so basically they got Jamal Murray to clog up wing minutes to be a ThrAGNOF then drafted Jamal Murray-lite for redundancy’s sake.  Beasley might be able to slash a little more, but yikes.

JB’s Grade: D: Beasley has an NBA future, but the Nuggets…  Smh…

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

20. Brooklyn Nets (traded from Indiana Pacers) – Caris LeVert – G

So this is what the Nets got for Thaddeus Young.  I will give it to the Nets for taking a risk for upside.  I’m a little surprised they didn’t pick a 26 year old senior just to fit their team strategy…  LeVert is still recovering from foot injuries; eventually he could get big run late in 16-17 but I think he is brought along exceedingly cautiously.

JB’s Grade: B: I’ve called the Nets SG position the Bermuda Triangle of NBA starting positions, so hopefully this can turn out to be a long-term solution.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

21. Atlanta Hawks – DeAndre Bembry – F

Yet another true-SF for the Hawks as they try to piece together that position after DeMarre Carroll left.  I do like the 4.5 dimes he put up last year, and he had an epic AST:TO improvement which is something I always love to see.  2.7:2.5 as a freshman, 3.6:2.9 as a soph, and 4.5:2.0 last year with a dramatic improvement in FG%.  All that said, it was at St. Joe’s – not exactly in a powerhouse conference.

JB’s Grade: B-: Guessing this is a Prince contingency…

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

22. Sacramento Kings (traded from Charlotte Hornets) – Malachi Richardson – F

This is the one good thing the Kings did last Thursday night.  Traded away Marco Belinelli for a nice upside wing who can score.  Worth the gamble.

JB’s Grade: A-: Get younger and rebuild, you silly Kings, you!

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

23. Boston Celtics – Ante Zizic – C

Another smart pick by the Celtics, who can stash Zizic and figure out how he fits down the road rather than pick another guy to hurt their FA endeavors.  He’s tall and big and great around the hoop, but lacks any perimeter game.  Celtics might fall into a solid backup C here.

JB’s Grade: A: Obviously the Celtics had a plan to go heavy on draft-and-stashes, and might fall into a good role player here.

Redraft Rank Guess: —

24. Philadelphia 76ers – Timothe Luwawu – G

This might be my favorite pick in the draft.  Ugh, and it HAD to be by the Sixers of all teams too!  That doesn’t make me re-think my stance at all!  I love this kid.  He’s like a taller Zach Lavine in terms of crazy athleticism, yet he hit 2.1 treys with the Serbian Team he played on that is recently notorious for churning out young NBA talent (Jokic, Zubac in this draft).  Projectable athleticism and an NBA-ready perimeter game?!  I’m in.

JB’s Grade: A+++++: I’m in love.

Redraft Rank Guess: 199 – I might legit rank this guy, even though D-League to start sounds more realistic…

25. Los Angeles Clippers – Brice Johnson – F

Mannnnnnn I was hoping he would go to the Pacers to play next to Myles Turner, but knew that wasn’t happening after they nabbed Big Thad.  I loved watching Brice progress at Chapel Hill, and his defense and rebounding is NBA-ready.  Just needs to keep working on his jumper, but it got better-and-better through the years.

JB’s Grade: A-: NBA-ready backup big.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

26. Philadelphia 76ers – Furkan Korkmaz – G

A lot of mocks had him going to Denver at 15, so this is pretty good value for the Sixers.  Mannnn, they had a good draft, huh?!  Mayyyyybe we start seeing some results this year…  But that won’t be due to Korkmaz, who is likely staying in Europe another year or two.

JB’s Grade: A: Pretty low-risk investment for an upsidey shooter down the road.

Redraft Rank Guess: —

27. Toronto Raptors – Pascal Siakam – F

This seems like a Michael Jordan pick.  Awesome numbers in college, but most mocks/ranks had him a for-sure second rounder.  He didn’t start playing basketball until 2012, so maybe there’s still upside here even though he’s 22, and maybe the Raps hope they hit on a Gorgui Dieng-type home run.

JB’s Grade: B-: An upside big behind the boring low-risk big in the draft I guess is OK, but this felt like a reach.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

28. Sacramento Kings (traded from Phoenix Suns) – Skal Labissiere – C

Well, maybe we shouldn’t slam the Kings too hard, as they got Labissiere this late who was projected to go much higher.  It would’ve made a lot more sense had Labissiere gone 13 and PapaGeorgio gone here, but what do I know.  There was talk he could’ve gone as high as second overall last year if he could’ve skipped college, so the Kings get some good upside despite a bad showing in college.

JB’s Grade: A: I don’t understand the lower draft-grades I’ve seen for this pick.  Kings need upside, no matter the position, especially this late in the 1st.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

29. San Antonio Spurs – Dejounte Murray – G

I love that everyone respects the Spurs so much that a 29th pick in the draft many are considering a possibility for a long-term replacement for Tony Parker.  They’d hit a home run if true!  At 19, he’s definitely a project for his rookie year, but a solid landing spot.

JB’s Grade: B: Just because I think my honorable mentions in the 2nd round are better fit…

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

30. Golden State Warriors – Damian Jones – C

Damn, the Warriors go center and don’t take Zhou Qi, who I picked for them!  Oh well…  Slim nabbed Jones 21 in our Mock and Jones was definitely projected as a first-rounder, so the Warriors did pretty well.  He’s a massive man at 7 feet 250, and a pectoral tear is the only reason he fell this low.  Al Horford showed coming back from that injury that it shouldn’t have been considered such a big deal.

JB’s Grade: A+: It’s a big need, for a big man, for a big team.

Redraft Rank Guess: 200+

Second Round Honorable Mentions

31. Memphis Grizzlies (traded from Boston Celtics) – Deyonta Davis – C

Another precipitous faller on draft night, I really like this kid.  I mocked him all the way in the lottery, and think the Grizzlies got an absolute steal here.  It cost them a 2019 first round pick that is owned by the Clippers (they also got #35 in this draft for that deal), but that is likely a 20+ first round pick anyway.  I think Davis’s offensive game is gonna come, and he already has all the tools to be a premiere shot-blocker.

36. Milwaukee Bucks – Malcolm Brogdon – G

ACC bias!  This guy has compete offensive polish, is a great shutdown wing defender, yet NBA scouts hate him and he was projected to go in the second round…  Yes, he might not be an NBA superstar, but he should be an awesome role player!  The Bucks slightly Make(r) up for their earlier gaffe.

43. Houston Rockets – Zhou Qi – C

Just because the Rockets love picking tall, fan-favorite guys from China.

51. Boston Celtics – Ben Bentil – F

I mentioned him on the Pod – when I saw Providence live, it wasn’t Kris Dunn who impressed me, it was this guy.  Surprising he is only 6’8 – he seemed to play much taller – but he was bangin’ 3s and had a post game.  Could become a nice role player for the Celtics at a low cost.

What did you guys think of the draft?  And any other 2nd rounders or undrafted guys get your interest?  I know I didn’t mention the Nova guy!  Sorry fans!  But I dunno if I see it as much as you commenters do…  Hope you’re all having a good offseason, Razzball Nation!

  1. Threekola says:
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    Hey JB and Slim.

    What about Isaiah Whitehead who was selected at 42 by the Nets? I don’t know much about him but I do know that if Jarrett Jack is let go, which seems like the best move for them at this point, he can take over the role.

    My question is concerning the hypothetical situation where Jarrett Jack is no longer on the team. Do you think whitehead gets 25+ or even 30+ minutes a game?

    He put up averages of 18-3.6-5.1-1.2-1.4…yes, 1.4 blocks, with a nice 2.4 threes. He’s got great size at 6’5″ and can create his own offense. Although he did shoot under 40% and turn it over a bit, I feel like he can get around the same PT in Brooklyn if Jack leaves.

    I honestly think he’ll be ownable even if Jarrett Jack stays…probably would end up being a timeshare with he and Whitehead and a dash of Sloan (If Sloan is still on the team, which I’m not following up on) until they realize there’s no point of keeping a veteran without playoff hopes.

    Anyway, what’s your guys” whole take on this?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Threekola: Hmmm interesting. it wouldn’t be the “first” time a second rounder started pretty quick, but it is rare. Hah just like my Kris Dunn write-up, it kinda sounds MCWish for Whitehead too haha. TO are a little high and I think he’ll be better as a combo guard than pure PG next to the mess the Nets have at SG. Jack might be worth holding if he can look healthy then trade for a 2nd rounder at the deadline. No Sloan. They HAVE to bring in some scrubby vet PG though, I don’t think they can go in counting for that many minutes from Whitehead just yet…

      • Threekola says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Maybe not…

        But the blocks are getting to me. 1.4?!?!? That’s gotta count for something haha. There at least has to me some chance in a perfect world that he’ll be must own this year. Maybe post ASB or something.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Threekola: Oh for sure! I mean, it is Seton Hall though, not like in the ACC… Maybe he peaks at 0.7-0.8 in the NBA one year if he gets PT, but that’s about the most I could see. Post-ASB I def wouldn’t put it past the Nets to throw the noodles on the wall and see what sticks

  2. Ryan says:
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    I haven’t listened to the pod yet, but I can’t see it being as crazy as the surprisingly large watching party me and my buddies had. People freaking out that Boston didn’t pick Bender/Dunn, freaking out over the lack of Boston trades…

    I kept my cool until around the 10th pick, and then things quickly started going downhill from there. Like wow.. Can’t even fault you guys for having a bad mock. I really would like to know the cause of all this madness. I suspect the pick hoarding played a role. Five teams had a combined 14 picks in the first round! How does one even figure out who someone like Danny Ainge might take when he works out over 120 players? I’m pretty sure Philley, Denver, and Phoenix also did the same thing..

    Was kinda upset with the Yabusele pick at first because of him being out of the 1st in all mocks, but seriously who the hell knows if some other GM was willing to take him there? I really like him and the other Boston picks though. I think Danny got a bunch of young, hungry, and fiery guys who have the potential to develop into good players.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Ryan: Hahaha, yeah you guys were prob wilder 🙂 We didn’t get too crazy with Boston, but yeah the Maker pick was the end and we flipped out haha. Yeah I think teams having too many picks means they intentionally draft and stash just to have them coming up later. I think the Celtics did pretty well, and traded for yet another first round pick in 2019 for giving up the 2 2nds that netted Memphis D Davis. I really like that kid though 🙂

  3. Toni Vidal Ribes says:
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    Hi boys!

    Nice days for NBA Lovers 🙂

    What do you think?

    Dieng + Henson
    or
    Kanter + Clarkson

    Off-seasson doubts for a dinasty!!!

    Thanks!!!

    • Slim

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      @Toni Vidal Ribes: Phew… tough call. Kanter/Clarkson are much better scorers and you add Clarksons 3s but I’m not sure you really gain much anywhere else. I heart Gorgui too much. Please don’t bring in another big man Minny, but if you needed the scoring I wouldn’t hate it… Kanter should play quite a bit next year.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Toni Vidal Ribes: @Slim: Yessir, it’s a fun time! Yeahhhh I heart Gorgui too, gonna rank him well higher than anyone else in this deal, and he’s young. Unless it’s a super deep dyno, I think you could probably get scoring off the wire as a cheaper source if that’s a need

        • Slim

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          @JB Gilpin: Hehe, Gorgui is the oldest player in the deal. But yeah, he’s the man!

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @Slim: Dieng is older than Kanter? Henson? Well my overall point was best player in the deal isn’t an old guy so it works if so!

  4. Slim

    Slim says:
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    I got Zizic at #23 right! WooHoo!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Slim: Dammit! I made the fix uggghhghghghghg

  5. OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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    JB,

    I agree with your sentiment on Bentil! To me, he was a pretty nice bargain for the Celtics…I wanted Portland to move in to the late 1st/early 2nd when Skal and Deyonta Davis were sliding in the worst way. Bentil was another guy that I would have liked them to take a chance on if possible.

    What are your thoughts on Jake Layman who the Blazers got for cash and a future 2nd round pick? The comparison that I am seeing is something similar to Omri Casspi or if he can really break out/find his potential, Chandler Parsons.

    Thanks, bro!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @OldMilwaukeePounders: Cool, looks like he’s got a burgeoning fan club! Oh damn, yeah Deyonta on the Blazers would be an AWESOME fit! I’m not quite as sold on Skal, but he was worth the risk like 5-10 picks earlier…

      I’m not too familiar with him, I do like he hit treys well which is good for an NBA wing, but 1/1/1 AST/STL/BLK in a decent but non-ACC conference (I have the bias!) doesn’t quite excite me a ton (played 31+ MPG too). He’s got the same scenario as Parsons as a college guy going in 2nd round, so it’s possible! He’s got an uphill battle I think for getting in the rotation tho…

      Any time man, thanks for dropping by!

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @OldMilwaukeePounders: @A Hill O’ Beans: Hahaha in “layman’s terms” I would say “meh” and “blah” and “huh, maybe, Slim chance!” would all suffice

      • OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks for the rundown. Supposedly word is the Blazers were targeting him for months prior to the draft. Must think he can be fit for them. His treys should translate at least and he is a good athletes by all reports.

        I’m an ACC guy now too, I’m a PITT alum. I was sad to see the Big East go, but I enjoy ACC basketball even though it is no Big East in my opinion…It was also encouraging to see PITT’s new head coach have two of his players selected in the 1st round even if the Kevin Stallings hire is about as exciting as going to the Post Office…

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          @OldMilwaukeePounders: Hmmmm interesting. Always encouraging to hear a team “got their guy”. Agree the 3s look like the most projectable in the bank. ah yeah, it’s tough to follow all these conf. changes these days, has taken some allure out of NCAA to me. Yeah ACC isn’t quite what the Big East was back in the day.

          Wowwwww Jaime Dixon left! I didn’t even know that… I liked that guy

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            @JB Gilpin: Jamie Dixon let PITT for his alma mater, TCU. Fun fact, the last time TCU won an NCAA tournament game is when Jamie Dixon played there in 1987…

  6. A Hill O' Beans says:
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    I’m just listening to the pod now, but, why Orlando, WHY?!?! You killed my Oladipo and Aaron Gordon keepers, and made me question whether Ibaka at $40 might be worth it. [shudder]

    I loved Philly’s draft, so I’ve gotta say well done Colangelo, well done! Phoenix, A+ even though I actually am pretty high on Bogdan². Which brings us to the Kings, who I will qualify my grade. I liked their draft if the plan is to trade Cousins and start over (which they should do), but if they are keeping Cousins I don’t know what they were thinking. Maybe they want to one up Philly and play an all big lineup. I hear WCS can guard all 5 positions?!?

    Speaking of Philly, for the love of god trade one of your bigs already. I don’t care who, I don’t care where, and I don’t care if you only get 90¢ on the dollar, but, you can not go into the year with Okafor, Noel, Embiid, Saric, Holmes, Simmons, and Landry to play the 4/5. If you believe Simmons is a 3, which I don’t, then you’ve also get Grant, Covington and Hollis Thompson at the 3. There is not enough minutes for all these guys. Whereas at the 1/2 you’ve got 96 minutes and basically Nick Stauskas and TJ McConnell to play them. I sense an imbalance in the force here…

    • JB Gilpin

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      @A Hill O’ Beans: Hahaha yeah that trade happened maybe 10 minutes after we cut the recording, sadly. Crazy deal. Great for OKC, bad (mostly) for fantasy. Nah Ibaka’s falling blocks and still gonna have a lack of REB doesn’t have him back where he used to be. Maybe like 45ish instead of 60 or something.

      Def liked Philly’s draft too, but yeah their roster is as imbalanced as Grey is on our podcasts!

      Well, for those two games a year, Philly and Sac will finally have the right matchup haha

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        @JB Gilpin: Just finished the pod and you had about the same reaction I did to Thon, haha. I don’t quite get Slims love for Ellenson to be honest, and I can tell you that most Raptors fans would have been very unhappy if we’d have picked him. His [lack of] defence scares me. Poeltl is kind of meh for most I think as he isn’t seen to have much difference between his floor and his ceiling.

        Oh, and I can see it now…

        Simmons, Covington, Saric, Noel, Embid
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        [Not sure SAC has a PG that’s not gonna suspended], Casspi, WCS, Papa Johns, Cousins

        It might end up being a 63 – 57 score, but it would be an exciting 120 points!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @A Hill O’ Beans: Hahaha yeah I def flipped out. So shocking. Especially following who was buzzy, it made it so funny and seem like such a trap pick. Ummm, yeah Ellenson is average at best on D, I think you get him for instant O. Hahaha, Simmons as the PG with WCS on him!!!!

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            @JB Gilpin: Yeah, I was hearing Maker might fall to the 2nd round in the leadup to the draft, so it was pretty shocking. Bucks, right?

            Just to prove you can never have enough bigs, I hear the Kings number one FA target may be Ryan Anderson. I heard it about a month ago, but assumed after the draft they’d change their plan up. Maybe not. So you might see WCS play some point just so he can get on the floor, haha. Kings trying to outdo the Bucks now.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @A Hill O’ Beans: Yeah I did too, that most thought he was right on the 1/2 round cutoff.

              Hahahaha silly Kings. Bucks, Kings and Sixers have taken the philosphy “gotta have big men” to a whole new level! ONLY big men here on out!

              • Slim

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                @JB Gilpin: If Ellenson was a 22 yo Senior I wouldn’t be interested at all but he’s only 19 and I feel like he’s just about NBA ready. Not as a starter but he could definitely push someone for backup PF minutes immediately. The best comp I can think of off the top of my head would be Ilyasova perhaps, or maybe even Tobias but with a bit more shotblocking potential. Ellenson did have a slightly better freshman year (similiar stat lines) than Tobias did and got drafted at almost the same place (Tobias went 19 overall).

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                  @Slim: Tobias is an interesting comp, I hadn’t thought of that. I always pictured him as an Ilyasova type, which has it’s uses. I’m just maybe not as convinced as you that his game translates to the NBA well. Tobias though, eh? Hmmm

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                    @Slim: @A Hill O’ Beans: Tobias is shorter and quicker, I think Ilyasova is closer. i think the ESPN draft day thing compared him to Troy Murphy haha. I feel like Tobias is soooo much better at slashing, transition

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                      @JB Gilpin: Yeah Ellenson is a much better rebounder than Tobias, and I’d argue a better facilitator. Ellenson is also a better shooter vs a 19 yo Tobias. But yeah Tobias is more SF/PF whereas Ellenson is a pure PF. He’ll be fine against larger PFs but it’s the small ball PFs that could be a problem. Although they may have trouble defending him as well. Ellenson is completely capable of rebounding and running the floor with the ball in his hands so I’m not so sure he won’t be a weapon in transition also.

                      From what I’m finding people like to compare him to Kevin Love. Not a terrible comp and Ellenson certainly has the ability to be a 20/10 guy with 1.5 3s and 1 block someday. Although I think Ellenson is more athletic than Love, hence a better block rate.

  7. v00dr00 says:
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    Myles Turner… Is he worth a 4th round pick next draft? CJ…Nerlens…are either worth a 3rd/4th rounder? Embiid?

    These are 2 keeper league teams that look like this:

    1. Boogie, AD, Draymond
    – I have the option to keep: Batum, Turner, IT2/3

    2. Boogie, Wall
    – Option to keep: CJ, Nerlens, Batum, Turner, Embiid

    I can keep 5 total in both, which also count as the first 5 rounds for me, so not keeping someone on team 2 allows me to make a selection in the 3rd round onward. What you thank?

    • Slim

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      @v00dr00: Team 2 seems fairly obvious to me. I’d keep the 5 you mentioned. CJ,. Noel, Turner.

      Team 1 I’d keep IT2/3, Batum v Turner. Yep gimme Turner. I know you could use a few more assists here and bigs are a bit out of control but I’m not about to drop Myles Turner in a dynasty. The upside is way too high. I might be looking to move Boogie eventually too if Turner is as good as advertised early in the season.

      Embiid has almost no value to me right now. Sure that could change but I imagine even if he plays every game they are going to be EXTREMELY cautious with him. 20ish minutes per game, esp with all those other bigs on the roster.

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        @Slim: Yeahhh. I think I was worried about Myles’ usage next year with Thad and Teague coming in for touches and who knows what might be available in those rounds, but I’m super high on him too.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @v00dr00: Mehhhh I don’t think any of those guys are 4th rounders to me. CJ might be the closest. All those Sixers bigs are sooooo annoying. Well i guess keep forever might change that a bit. So yeah 1 – Boogie, AD, Draymond, IT2/3, Turner for me too. 2 – Boogie, Wall, CJ, Turner and hope to hit on a great pick before the other teams.

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            @JB Gilpin: I won last year with Team 2, so I’ll be the last pick in that 5th round. You don’t even wanna know who beat my Team 1 crew. Going to tell you anyway: Westbrook, Durant, Wall, Lillard, Gobert. Basically a 12 team league where an egregious trade didn’t get vetoed haha. Anywho, if Gobert comes around in the 5th round next year, do I take him over Nerlens, assuming there’s nothing better. And yes, both are keep forever leagues.

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              @v00dr00: Nerlens was an outright HEADACHE last year, but that was bc I took him in the 2nd.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @v00dr00: Ah gotcha, well wouldn’t keeping 4 give you last pick in 4th round too and hopscotch some teams? Might be beneficial. Yikkkkkes, that’s a crazy core! Yeah, i think I am gonna take Gobert. noel in a different situation – maybe – but I think Gobert can bounce back. Yeahhhh Simmons might have to play some 4, plus Okafor, plus Embiid back, it’s just a mess. One bad play and he might sit a while

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                  @JB Gilpin: Back to the drawing table! Al Jefferson is now a member of the Pacers. That’s going to take a proverbial dump on Myles value 🙁

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                    @v00dr00: Nah, I don’t know about that… Hornets played him off the bench behind Cody Zeller… I think they brought him in to be a bench guy as they’re certainly putting all their pieces together to be a win-now team

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                      @JB Gilpin: Phew, I was worried sick…

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                      Well it does indicate Turner probably isn’t gonna be a 32 MPG guy. Prob closer to 30. But does help he’s a floor stretcher, so can play some 4 next to Big Al when Al is in there

  8. Nick says:
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    Lavine or G. Hill next year?

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      @Nick: I’ll probably go upside of Lavine

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Sweet, got offered Lavine AND Barton for Hill in dynasty haha.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Nick: Whoa awesome! Takin’ that in a heartbeat!

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            @JB Gilpin:
            He wants Noah now as well, though I’ve been offered bazemore for Noah straight up. Take the deal still? The other one, or hold onto Noah?

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              @Nick:
              Well I made the trade. I’ll drop barton if I can’t make another trade, maybe? Biyombo is sitting on our FA list and I’m hoping to snag him!

              • JB Gilpin

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                @Nick: I would prefer getting Lavine and taking that deal with Noah thrown in. Oh cool, nice one! Yeah I gotta think the Magic are trading Vuc so I would prob take Biyombo too!

  9. Todd says:
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    Thanks for the great article on the rookie class! I have the 5th pick in our rookie draft this year so this will help me evaluate some of these guys. I’ll probably come back to you guys and ask your opinion on my rookie draft pick once we watch some summer action. You guys steered toward Myles Turner last year and I’m thrilled with what I’ve seen from him already.

    Quick question in terms of my keeper strategy. We can keep up to 10 guys on our roster (5 smart drafted and 5 non-smart drafted players) A smart drafted player is attached to any rookie that gets drafted in our rookie or free agent draft. Here is my current roster and I’ve denoted if they are considered a smart drafted player:

    Guards:
    Isaiah Thomas
    Gordon Hayward
    Ty Lawson
    Alec Burcs
    Kevin Martin
    Ben McLemore- Smart Drafted

    Forwards:
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Draymond Green
    Myles Turner- Smart Drafted
    Robert Covington
    Nemanja Bjelica- Smart Drafted
    Justin Anderson- Smart Drafted

    Centers:
    Nerlens Noel- Smart Drafted
    John Henson- Smart Drafted

    Obvious keepers to me seem like Thomas, Hayward, Aldridge, Green on the non smart drafted side. Are Burcs, Lawson, Covington worth keeping? If so, which one is best based on my current roster?

    On smart drafted guys, are any of them worth keeping other than Turner and Noel? Or should I dump some of these smart drafted guys and rebuild with some rookies this year? I think Anderson might be ok but the rest just don’t seem like much upside.

    I’m in a rebuild mode for sure, but would love your thoughts on who to keep and build around. Thanks.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Todd: Thanks for reading! And cha-ching! Yeah Myles is amazing. I actually really liked him coming into the draft too. Almost wish his summer league was a little more under the radar 🙂

      Agree on your normal keepers. Sixers are just such a mess, I think I would keep those 4 then give up that 5th keeper for that comparable pick (assuming that’s how that works, you get to pick earlier).

      Smart drafted, yeah Turner and Noel are locks, I think henson *could* be a 3rd. Depends on if they dump monroe. Thing is, there’s not a ton of impact rookies this year, even thinking ahead to 17-18. A lot of projects. So I might keep Henson either way.

      Hope that helps!

      • Todd says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks JB. I got laughed at last year for taking Turner with the 4th pick in the rookie draft (1- KAT, 2- Russell, 3- Porzingis) instead of Okafor. I feel pretty good that I’ll be doing the laughing in the future!

        Appreciate your insight on my roster situation. It’s not pretty but I’m slowly building as an expansion team in our league which is why getting these young talents correct on draft day is so important. We do not get an earlier pick if we don’t keep a 5th guy so I’ll probably end up keeping either Burcs or Covington just because. Can’t deal with Lawson and his messed up world anymore.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Todd: That was def the right move! Definitely laugh right at them now! Ohhhhh OK, yeah I would probably keep Covington then… Yeah Lawson really tore apart his career, pretty sad

  10. Slim

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    So with Durant going to OKC and sharing the ball with Curry, Klay, and Draymond, and with Curry now having to share with Durant does it make Westbrook and Harden #1 and #2 overall? Should be the top 2 scorers. I know FG% isn’t as good but at least they should actually play some 4th quarter minutes since everyone of their games won’t be a blowout. Does Draymond fall closer to mid-late 2nd round now since his scoring is nearly guaranteed to come down? Is Klay outside the top 50 now that he shouldn’t get nearly as many shots? So many questions… OKC has some money to spend on a SF replacement at least.

    • Slim

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      @Slim: *GSW

      • Slim

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        @Slim: Oladipo is EASY top 25 now. Steven Adams should get a few more PnR opportunities. Kanter will have to play more to make up some of that scoring.

        • Nick says:
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          @Slim:
          I agree with the biggest loser being klay, draymond probably doesn’t dip past second round as he should still produce in every other category but points. How far do curry and Durant slip? 3/4 still? Being a dynasty owner of Olidipo has been an emotional roller coaster! lol

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: @Nick: Yeah agree Klay is outside top-50. I dunno, I still might Curry over Westbrook in 9 cat. Obviously TO punt isn’t a big deal to me, but FG% with that volume for Westbrook is gonna be crazy. I dunno, I’ll have to give it a lot of thought haha.

            Oladipo… I dunno about “easy”, but he’s right there. I’m worried he becomes more Brandon Knight combo guard second fiddle, vs. what he did on Orlando.

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