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Ah, the late-round fliers!  Which I think is “fliers”.  A lot of the time, I almost write it “flyers”.  Zach LaVine is a late round flyer!  Eesh, being a married man makes you start getting reallllll corny with the jokes.

So as I’ve mentioned a few times getting through the top 100 (Rank 1-10 | Rank 11-20 | Rank 21-50 | Rank 51-75 | Rank 76-100), there just isn’t many warm bodies out there to call “JB’s late sleepers”.  And, well, a lot of that is because I have guys that are ranked in the 100s on Yahoo and ESPN in my mid-rounds (cough, Jordan Clarkson – ESPN 99 Yahoo 144, what the hey?! aherm, cough cough – I’ve caught the plague!), while just as much is the lack of sexy rookies in good situations.  Jahlil Okafor is awful for fantasy.  D’Angelo Russell loves talking 401ks with Josh Smith by the turnovers at the breakfast buffet.  Stanley Johnson looks awesome, but Detroit has a bigger wing mix than Bdubs.  Asian zing – that one my jam!

With these final rounds of players, it’s also important to factor in league size.  These ranks are [hoping to tailor] for a 12-team league, so I’ll reach for a tad more upside the later we go than go for stability.  Tristan Thompson is going to be mad consistent for some points and boards for the very deep leagues, but lordy he’ll be unownable in a 12er.  You’re fired!  Can’t believe this Trump stuff is still going on…  Anyway, here’s the Top 150 for the 2015-16 Fantasy Basketball Season:

101. Aaron Gordon, Orlando Magic – Well, I guess here’s a sleeper I like!  Summer ball stats in the Orlando league are very inconsequential, but three games of 21.7/11.7/2.7/1.3/1.7 was a nice little nip slip of potential.  Plus he buried 6-12 treys, which is where things could get very interesting.  Problem is he is still going to have a few TO, and his FT% isn’t great.  That said, 72.1% from the stripe last year probably exceeded expectation.  There’s going to be more growing pains and not enough touches with the starting 5, plus he’s coming off jaw surgery from a fluke injury.  Right now it seems he’s penciled in to start at the 4, but it might be as Mask Gordon and we saw how bad that started for Oladipo last year!  And Channing Frye is there…  Worst signing ever…

102. Nikola Mirotic, Chicago Bulls – Sigh.  The Mirotic Quandry.  Should be a physics course!  As we’ve learned in the comments, it’s hard to be “bullish on any Chicago big man”.  So we’re circling back to the intro, and even though the opportunity isn’t 100% there, the upside/sexiness certainly is.  There’s been a lot of clamor that Joakim Noah could come off the bench, but even if No Minutes Mirotic starts, there’s a filtering in of Noah and the forgotten-by-everyone-except-Matthew-Dellavedova Taj Gibson to clog up the bigs.  Mirotic didn’t work out well at all playing the 3 last year, and even if he plays some there there’s McBuckets, Mike Should-Be-Done-Leavy, and my boyfriend Tony Snell playing SF as well.  There’s a lot of run on sentences in this blurb, just to make it as obfuscated as the Bulls rotation is…  But just look the per-36s for Mirotic’s nip slip and he was 18.1/8.8/2.1/1.2/1.2 with 2.2 treys and only 1.9 TO in his debut season.  Only negative was 40.5% from the field.  There’s no youth ahead of him long-term – I think he’s maybe top-40 in dynasty if drafting this year – but this season, it’s complicated.  Starring Meryl Streep.

103. Kevin Martin, Minnesota Timberwolves – If I keep writing the blurbs this long, this will be a 10,000 word post!  Time to get concise!  If I had to put money on guys to get traded this year, K-Mart is easily top 2 or 3.  He’s not in the final year of his deal but it’s the penultimate one, and a giant change next year looms – the expanded caps.  A team trading for K-Mart would not only get him for the 2nd half, but retain him for only $7.3 mil in 16-17 which will be mad affordable – even for a 6th man.  For all the boasting from Karl-Anthony Towns, c’mon, not yet Wolves fans.  K-Mart’s going to score a lot of points in the first half, but then would be an ultimate sell-high as the deadline looms.  There’s still enough value to take him here though.  Dammit, this was just as long!

104. Michael Carter-Williams, Milwaukee Bucks – Ugh.  After breaking my heart and two of my fantasy teams last year, MCW I guess has to be ranked somewhere.  I think he’ll easily be consensus top-100 (Yahoo has him at 73, yeesh), but I don’t see it.  Last year after moving to the Bucks – massive drops in REB/AST/3PTM.  Sure the lower treys helped the FG% get over 40% (drop the friggin’ confetti), and he somehow figured out how to make FT.  Really the only thing keeping him over, say, 120 for me is the steals.  All the way to 2.0 a game with Milwaukee, after only 1.5 in nearly 3.5 more minutes a game in Philly.  And I guess training with Jason Kidd is a plus, and I guess having a healthy offseason will help.  But even with lower dimes, TO were an atrocious 3.2 per in 30:20 in Milwaukee, and there’s a giant Twerp just sitting there looming over him.  The Bucks paid a first-round pick to bring in Vasquez, and Kidd has shown a penchant for benching guys not playing well.  So much risk, with not enough upside given the % and TO woes.  Holy hell, this is turning into War and Peace.

105. Patrick Patterson, Toronto Raptors – Pit-Pat, take if from me – I love you!  Any chance to continually link Mr. Show videos…  And at 1:27 it sums up Patterson to a T – “A magical, pan-sexual, non-threatening, spokesthing!”  Well, as in he’s so non-controversial he’ll be a value.  Not everyone outside the top-100 can be a high-flyin’ sleeper!  Patterson was all the way to 88th in per-game last year, but a lot of that is his metrics-friendly, low-volume game.  Hits all the cats a little bit, nice %s, never turns it over.  Now with Amir Johnson gone, the only real competition is Luis Scola for the starting PF role, who would be a terrible fit next to The Luminescent Lithuanian and give the Raptors yet another non-perimeter player.  Of course as we talked in the comments, DeMarre Carroll could play some 4 for an ultimate small ball line-up, but losing Amir and gaining more-of-a-SF I think gets Pit-Pat closer to 30 MPG rather than 26 we saw last year.  Nothing will look too sexy, but he’ll be usable.

106. Otto Porter, Washington Wizards – I don’t think there’s huge upside for Porter either, but certainly enough to be fairly excited as he steps into the starting SF role.  I wish we had seen a little further development of the peripherals – 1.6/1.1/0.8 AST/STL/BLK last year in per-36 – but he should be actually a little similar to Patterson by hitting all the cats, maintaining good %s, and not turning it over.   Porter should get more swipes, Patterson certainly more treys.  And Porter said he’s ready to play some stretch 4 if need be, giving the Wiz some small ball looks.  Easily should play 30 MPG.

107. Rajon Rondo, Sacramento Kings – Yeah, I don’t really wanna go here, but who knows, maybe Rondo will be OK…  Darren Collison is going to push for minutes, and there’s a big chance Rondo gets moved at the deadline on his one-year deal.  Last year, “a disaster” doesn’t even cover it.  He was Movie 43.  As long as he doesn’t break his hand in the shower this time, and somehow manages to make half his FT, I guess a few dimes and steals would be worth it.  It’s absurd he shot 39.7% from the stripe last year.  Absurd.  Wanna know what makes it more absurd?  George Karl said he had a good basketball IQ.

108. Jusuf Nurkic, Denver Nuggets – The Jamba Jus is ready for an encore!  At least, let’s hope…  I was all primed to have him easily in the top 100, but a seemingly out-of-nowhere left patella tendon surgery in late May has put a lot of risk on those 7-foot legs.  Well, his legs are probably more like 3 feet – a guy with 7 foot legs would be 15 feet tall!  It was very odd the surgery didn’t happen until late-May, so something got missed by the medical staff to not have this happen right when 14-15 wrapped up.  He was given a 3-4 month timetable which would have him ready for the season, but even Nurk has hinted everything will go slow.  The Nugs will be tanking this year, and not rush their big.  But his upside for a strong second half is worth the gamble – insane 13.9/12.5/1.6/1.7/2.2 per-36 in his rookie season at 20 years old.

109. Ersan Ilyasova, Detroit Pistons – The Six Foot Turkey!  Moving to Detroit doesn’t look very scary!  I mean, ummmm…  Brought in to play the stretch 4 to give Drummo the entire paint, Ghostface Ily has secured the starting PF spot and is in a good rotation to bang a few treys and look flatfooted and awful on defense.  More help blocks from Drummo!  Ilyasova never really found a consistent stride until the second half last year, when a big boost in PT started bringing in the numbers.  His FT% oddly fell to 64.5% out of nowhere (albeit in low volume), and we can’t expect many boards or defensive stats.  But needing some out-of-position treys late, he should be able to come somewhat close to his post-ASB 1.9 treys and 14.5 Pts he had last season.

110. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs – TP has been, well, TP as his career dwindles down, but I’m not hitting the ignore button completely.  Sure you can only optimistically expect 70 games at maybe 28 MPG, and the dimes have fallen off a cliff.  But I think he can replicate last year, given the metrics don’t give him a good overall value, plus the teensiest of upside to just dump the ball off to Aldridge for a quick mid-range pop.  It’s the best roster the Spurs have had in years, so there’s a glimmer.  Obviously, this is still going to price me out in most drafts though.

111. D’Angelo Russell, Los Angeles Lakers – Meh, I’m already a little apprehensive to even have him this high as I write this, since I’m likely passing in all leagues.  The early low pre-ranks on Jordan Clarkson have been criminal, and I don’t see Russell facilitating that much in this rookie season.  D’Angelo Barksdale looked lost in the professional Towers during Summer Ball and his game took him to The Pit.  I guess he has enough upside to take the flyer, aherm, flier at this point, however TO and inconsistency will be frustrating you to the Kim Dickens….

112. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Detroit Pistons – I might be married, but my KCP addiction will never end!  I might as well make an Ashley Madison profile, and put just “KCP” in my fetishes.  Although who knows what KCP might stand for in S&M terms…  Stan Van has said earlier this offseason he has 4 locked in starters – glossing over SF – so KCP should be pretty solidified in the starting SG role.  Even though he’s very unspectacular, the metrics like him at 137th in per-game last year, and he’s durable as he played every game last year.  Of course, when you do nothing but camp for 3s, it’s easier to avoid the grind…  Joking aside, there were a lot of encouraging signs post-ASB – he shot much better from the field, took a bigger percentage of shots inside the stripe as he created more of his own shot, and bumped from 1.1 to 1.8 assists with no change in TO.  And after a slow start in STL, got those up to 1.3 per post-ASB.  He’s still fairly ThrAGNOFfy, but there’s upside.

113. UPDATE! I had him 146, and kept his original blurb since the news Kyrie Irving might be out until January and is doubtful to start the year came out a mere hour before this posted.  I already factored a big chunk of lost Kyrie time!  Mo is looking mad interesting.

Mo Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers – Here’s an interesting name for your final spot, especially with your final pick out of the gate in 12ers.  Kyrie is off breaking his kneecap (gulp), and they’ll want to limit his minutes, probably for the whole season – especially early.  Mo showed last year he can still ball at a high level (who had Mo as a guy to score 50 last year?!) with the Wolves then after the trade to the Hornets, and he’ll get a boatload of backup run.  Plus he can play some combo sets with Irving, as JR and Shump can swing to some SF when LeBron sits.  I really could see Mo getting to 25 minutes per with some nice PTS/AST/3PTM.

114. Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics – Ugh, I’m just not a Smart guy…  Poor wording!  My jersey is for “Rod Smart”, not Marcus!  But he hate Marcus because of dramatic inconsistencies, and the Celtics stubbornly trying to pound their square peg into his round hole.  Even worse wording!  Smart was a dynamite slasher in college, but they’ve told him to virtually only take threes (4.1 of his 7.1 shots per game were treys in his rookie season), tanking his FG% to 36.7%.  Even Ricky Rubio is like, “ay dios mio!”  The steals will be nice, but that’s all the 2nd-year upside I really see.  I think there’s a ton of IT2/3 on the floor.

115. Trey Burke, Utah Jazz – Man, this means I might actually have to draft Burke on some teams this year…  I don’t know if I like 15-16 anymore!  Dante Exum sadly tore his ACL in some international ball, giving the Jazz nothing but a flaming dumpster fire at PG.  Burke has occasionally shown some flashes from the dumpster fire, but it’s usually putrid smoke.  Don’t sleep too hard on Raul Neto in deeper leagues either – much better defender and facilitator.  He’ll sneak into my top 200 as an upside dart throw.

116. Roy Hibbert, Los Angeles Lakers – Well, being the lowest on Hibbert the past few years has worked out pretty well!  And if for some forlorn reason he stayed in Indy, he’d be even lower.  But maybe a change of scenery will do him good, as in, keep him ownable all year in fantasy.  The blocks fell to 1.6 last year – really the only reason you want him – and he doesn’t rebound well while shooting sub-45% the past 3 seasons.  I bet this prices me out again.

117. C.J. McCollum, Portland Trailblazers – I have a suspicion McCollum might be one of the most over-hyped “sleepers” this year.  Don’t get me wrong, I think he will easily have a career year for the Blazers as they have a terrible line-up and will want to run their younguns.  But how good can McCollum really be?  Per-36s took a nice step up last year, but 15.7/3.4/2.4/1.6/0.3 in per-36 last year with 2 treys isn’t exactly teeming with potential superstardom.  Plus he’s had his share of injuries and is already 23.  He should get a big 6th man role and the backup PG minutes, but I don’t know if it’s enough to warrant a buzzy top-100 pick.

118. Avery Bradley, Boston Celtics – Here’s a good back-to-back comparison where league size would change my mind.  In a 10 or 12er, I’d shoot for McCollum, but deeper I’d take the safer Bradley.  Hah, very unintentionally on my part Bradley was 117 in per-game on Basketball Monster, which was where I had him pre-Mo Williams bump!  With a few more minutes in the second half, Bradley saw nice jumps in his minimal dimes but mainly in the steals getting up to 1.4.  He doesn’t really offer much upside, but he’ll score a little and steal a little, and I think is the only Celtic assured to play over 30 MPG.

119. Jabari Parker, Milwaukee Bucks – I bet the name recognition will have Jabari going higher, but I also bet if he has an ADP in the top 100, he will be the most dropped top-100 drafted guy in October.  The GM of the Bucks and of Jurassic Park John Hammond said that if Jabari is healthy enough to play 20 minutes, they’ll play him 10.  Eesh.  Parker was starting to come around in his rookie campaign, but it still wasn’t anywhere close to the impact I thought he’d have off the bat.  He started scoring some more as the season wore on due to ditching the deep ball.  The upside for the second half is worth a shot, but the fact you have to be so patient isn’t really worth a higher pick in a shallower league.

120. Jose Calderon, New York Knicks – Lordy, remember when I liked him heading into last year?!  Luckily I said he was droppable pretty much right after he got hurt warming up on opening night (?!?!?!), but that didn’t excuse the wasted draft pick!  Since we’re more-or-less out of PG, I think Calderon is worth a look in the late-rounds, even with a 26-28 minute cap.  I don’t think a backcourt of Grant and Langston Galloway is good enough to start, so Calderon should be starting and fall into a few dimes and threes.  It’s uninspiring, but usable.

121. Ed Davis, Portland Trailblazers – I think the sleeper buzz might be louder for Plumlee, but I’m taking Davis first in the who-the-hell-knows Portland frontcourt.  Over his last 54 games – most of last year after getting really inconsistent run early – 9.1/7.9/1.4/0.6/1.3 with virtually no TO and 60% from the field.  That was in only 23.7 MPG.  The near 50% FT rate is a concern, it’s been trending the wrong way three straight years, but there’s upside for a 12/10/2/1/2 sort of line.  Especially intriguing are the steals from a big.  At 26, he’s one of the older bigs in the rotation and there’s concern they start playing Noah Vonleh or Meyers Leonard a lot in the second half, so season-long I do have doubts on Davis.  But I have a feeling he’ll be on a lot of my teams early on.

122. Luol Deng, Miami Heat – Speaking of uninspiring but usable, there’s my entire blurb for Luol Deng!  He seemingly was a disaster last year, but the metrics liked him enough for an 89 per-game valuation since he scored a little with very few TO.  Justise Winslow does loom, but he doesn’t look ready to take a big role just yet.  With Bosh healthy, a full year of Dragic, and hopefully a decent enough run for Wade, there should be enough openings to keep Deng usable, as he struggled down the stretch last year with a drop in FG% and points.

123. Ryan Anderson, New Orleans Pelicans – If only the Ryno could stay healthy-o…  After a redonkulous small-sample run in 13-14, Anderson obviously wasn’t the same last year, and is off several injuries, mainly a back surgery.  That said, Gentry wants the Pels to run up tempto, which would suggest another big role off the bench flanking Omer Asik.  Ryno is another guy I’d take the shot in in shallowers, but no way I’d want to invest too much in a deeper.  There’s enough upside to be valuable, but he could miss half a season again and it wouldn’t shock anyone.

124. John Henson, Milwaukee Bucks – If only the Bucks would commit to a starting spot for Henson-o…  Once again looking at a bench role without a clear workload, Henson’s upside is capped by a team that absolutely hates him.  But Henson does have a big thing going for him – Jabari needing to be eased in.  I don’t know if it’s an optimal line-up – especially in a league embracing small ball – but Henson can play next to Greg Monroe and the Bucks have a real lack of depth for other PF options.  Going from 1.7 blocks in 26:31 in 13-14 to 2.0 blocks in 18:20 last year is absolutely ridiculous, but he is limited offensively and at the stripe.  A great late swatter that I could see getting higher in drafts by need, Henson in seasonal terms is going to lose a lot of PT in the second half and lacks upside in the other cats.

125. Nik Stauskas, Philadelphia 76ers – Long live ThrAGNOF!  And this late, I think you can start nabbing the upside-y ones.  Projected to start, the Sixers really need a deep-baller to spread the floor with Lord Covington, especially if Wroten is going to start at PG with his sub-25% 3PTM in his career.  Things didn’t work for Sauce Castillo in Sacramento, except the fact he got one of the best nickname origin stories of 14-15.  Ben McLemore decided to be decent at basketball pushing Stauskas from any sort of consistent role, and I think his bad FG% was a little too small-sample.  He won’t do enough beyond score and hit treys, but he could put up more points than people expect.

126. Zaza Pachulia, Dallas Mavericks – I don’t see any way he’s not entrenched as the Mavs center, and even though his MPG and blocks will be microscopic, his pizza face of ugliness won’t be!  Whoa, too mean JB, too mean…  He’s very atypical for a big, no blocks and a bad FG%, but does give you dimes and steals with a good FT%.  He’s a PG stuck in a center’s body!  I you got swatters early, and as you can see there’s no PG depth left, Zaza could be a good final pick.  I could easily see a spike to a career-best 3 AST, kicking out to all the playmakers.

127. Jahlil Okafor, Philadelphia 76ers – Nope.  Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.  Won’t be even a consideration on any of my teams, as he’ll be one of the worst over-drafted rookies in recent memory.  That is, for 9-cat fantasy purposes, he might be OK in real-life terms.  Where do we start?  Well, let’s just go through the categories: FG% – a plus, FT% – catastrophic, 3PTM – zero, PTS – Slim has him projected right now 17.0, I think that’s crazy talk.  We’ll say 15 so decent there, REB – a plus, AST – nada, STL – maybe 0.5 so a push, BLK – this is a biggie, I think it’s well under 1 BPG.  In 153 summer league minutes across 5 games, yes SUMMER LEAGUE!, he got a total of 4 blocks.  Four!  TO – averaged 4.6 TO a game in summer ball, with at least 4 giveaways every game.  For a big, he’s going to be a negative there.  So you’re telling me he’s going to be good at FG% and REB and OK at PTS?  While killing you at FT%, being awful with TO, and not getting blocks?!  It’s not going to go well for 9-cat.

128. Mason Plumlee, Portland Trailblazers – Well, someone has to play for the Blazers, right?!  Given all the opportunities in the world last year (seriously, playing for Team USA?!), Plumlee was horrible on the Nets battling foul trouble and a FT stroke that hasn’t improved much from college.  And what does he get for failing miserably?  Maybe even a bigger opportunity!  Sometimes you just get lucky for a situation in the NBA…  He should have plenty of minutes, plenty of time to board, but the blocks took a step back last year to only 1.3… in per-36 minutes!!!!  In a deeper league I’d probably let someone else take this risk, but 10 or 12er, worth an upside look with a final pick.

129. Eric Gordon, New Orleans Pelicans – So can a vet with a billion injuries to worry about be considered a “sleeper”?  Well, no, but how about adding them into that flier category?  After all – and this shocked me – he’s only 26, and will be right back out there as the Pels starting 2.  He really came on in the second half last year too, hitting a silly 2.7-6.1 treys (44.6%) for 14.3 PPG.  Add that with nearly 4 dimes a game, and there’s some really value here.  Of course, his overall FG% was still awful (how he had a 3PTM% so much higher than his FG% is beyond me), and he’s missed nearly half his games the past 4 seasons.  Then again, it’s late in the draft and maybe you get 70 games out of him in a fantasy-friendly, uptempo new regime.

130. Stanley Johnson, Detroit Pistons – Another rook with massive buzz, StanJo took Summer Ball by storm by putting up a gaudy 16.2/6.8/2.0/1.8/1.0 slash in 5 appearances, with minimal TO and hitting 57.7% from the field.  Known more for his defensive prowess in college, his D and malleability at both wing positions will certainly get him in StanVan’s rotation.  The question is just how much, as Marcus Morris seems primed to start, and there’s still Jodie Meeks‘ terrible contract to give some minutes to.  Another late-rounder I’d take a shot on in a shallower league; I don’t think his buzz or upside is worth a much higher pick in a deeper.  Murky situation.

131. Jerian Grant, New York Knicks – ACC and March Madness are about all the college ball I watch, and I never saw much out of Grant to buy him as an NBA contributor.  But the Knicks seem to really like the kid, and with only Langston Galloway and Calderon’s minutes cap the other major-minute PGs and backup SGs on the roster, Grant is going to get the run.  And when the Knicks want to go small ball and move Melo to the 4, Arron Afflalo can move to the 3 and we see two of those three PG/SG together in combo guard sets.  It certainly helps Grant is the biggest of the 3 (6’5), with some range and upside for a few dimes.  I don’t think it’ll be too consistent, but he’s got upside to run away with the role (pushing Galloway away from a rotation spot) for some treys and decent AST contributions.

132. Jordan Hill, Indiana Pacers – My love for Myles Turner will ring eternal, but other than him, I think Hill easily gets the most minutes at PF/C.  Even though Georgia is apparently a haven for NBA arrests lately, I don’t think Hill zooms into a sure-fire, big minute starting spot – especially after showing he couldn’t handle a 30+ MPG run with the Lakers.  However, he’s likely buried on draft boards and I think could come close to the 12.0/7.9/1.5/0.5/0.7 slash we saw last year.  Well, maybe knock him down to 10 Pts.

133. Greivis Vasquez, Milwaukee Bucks – It’s not just my lack of faith for MCW, but the Bucks paid a first round pick to get him, given it’s lottery protected.  Still, Vasquez might out-minutes MCW some nights when MCW is in turnover heaven, and The Twerp can play some combo guard 2 as well.  As a starter last year, Vasquez showed he could still be decent, putting up a 10.9/3.0/4.4/0.7/0.1 slash, with 1.9 treys and only 1.4 TO.  So basically, he’s a PG who can consistently hit treys and not turn it over, aka MCW’s super-villian.  Look out for The Twerp!

134. Dennis Schroder, Atlanta Hawks – Apparently it’s a run on backup PG!  But both of these last two guys will play some combo guard, and while Jeff Teague is awesome as all hell, the Hawks have shown they’re going to run their uber-talented German like a Panzer.  Well, I guess that wouldn’t be running really…  Per-36s took a big leap in his sophomore campaign, and in a 10-game 29:13 MPG starting sample – 14.1/3.4/7.7/0.7/0.0.  It did come with 3.3 TO and not enough treys (0.7), but he reminds me a ton of Reggie Jackson.  And with Kyle Korver recovering from two major surgeries entering his age-34 season, there’s a nice opportunity for a lot of combo SG minutes.  With more treys and less TO risk, he’d be higher.

135. Timofey Mozgov, Cleveland Cavaliers – Healthcare.Mozgov certainly had some lengthy load times whence moved to the Cavs, spending a lot of time at the Cleveland Clinic.  As in, on the bench, not hurt.  Metaphors going downhill this many deep into the ranks!  He wasn’t playing long stints in Denver either, but MPG fell under 25 per, and I don’t see that changing much.  10.6/6.9/0.8/0.4/1.2 with the Cavs, and I actually see that as his ceiling with Tristan Thompson picking up a lot of small ball C minutes, since to beat the dead horse, it’s a common theme in the NBA.

136. Tony Wroten, Philadelphia 76ers – Who’s ready for a good-ol’ ratios rape?!  I think it’s a little surprising Wroten is expected to be healthy to start the year, but a little less surprising he’s expected to start.  Eesh, remember when Isaiah Canaan was a thing?!  As a starter last year, Wroten was awesome with the popcorn numbers for 18.3/3.4/6.3/1.9/0.3.  But as we all know, it came on a 41.5 FG%, a pretty high volume 65% from the stripe, then the biggie – 4.5 TO.  Yikes!  The Sixers sure have some category killing starters…  The reason I think he’s worth owning though is I think he can get the FG% to 43-44.  I see them telling him to scrap shooting deep balls with Lord Covington and Sauce Castillo able to stretch the floor.  Then again, it’s not a slam dunk since he drives so much and Noel and Okafor will be clogging the middle, so maybe he mid-ranges a ton.  This is going to be a weird Sixers O…

137. Justin Anderson, Dallas Mavericks – The opportunity isn’t 100% clear, but the more you consider the status of the Mavs roster, the easier it is to see a pretty substantial role for Mr. Anderson.  My name is Neo!  Wesley Matthews might not even make it for the opener and will be eased in at that, and Chandler Parsons is off arthroscopic knee surgery with back issues the past few years.  Carlisle has said Anderson will play both the 2 and 3, and other than combo guard sets with the other PG (Barea, Devin Harris, Felton, ugh), the Mavs have no one else to play wing besides the hurt vets.  Anderson isn’t gonna light it up on O, but did score 17.5 a game in summer league with a ton of treys and minimal TO.  Certainly worth a last pick flier, especially early on with Matthews slowly worked in.

138. Dwight Howard, Houston Rockets – Aight, aight, aight, I guess Howard has to go somewhere…  Sure the Dwight supporters could blame his even further regression on his knee issues, but there’s no way I’m touching Dwight in 15-16.  The big thing for me is he just isn’t a blocker anymore.  Swats fell to an anemic 1.3 last year, and sure the MPG had a little influence, but is he really a 32-33 MPG guy anymore?  I don’t think so, especially with the small ball theme and the fact he’s awful at the stripe.  The high TO are still there too, so he’s pretty much Jahlil Okafor with more injury risk and a higher-volume FT% drain.  Avoid.

139. Kelly Olynyk, Boston Celtics – Olynyk of Nazareth always seems to flash potential, but just can’t end up feeding the masses with enough loaves or fishes in his fantasy line.  I think his multi-cat upside is worth a flier pick at the end of 12ers, even if he’s in a horrible rotation of bigs in B-rad’s system.  As a starter last year, 13 games at 26 minutes per for 11.2/5.8/1.6/1.0/0.5, but that came with a few too many TO (2.0).  Actually, that’s about all the negative you can say…  Hit 1.1 treys as a starter in those 13 games, while keeping the FG% at 51.9%.  Even with the scary rotation, the one thing that has him worth drafting in standard for me is he is he can kinda fit as a small ball center with the treys.  It’s hard to project more than 25 minutes per, but he’s the only PF/C I’ll take from Boston in the top 150, even if some of them look better with their shirts off

140. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte Hornets – Get me some Extenz!  4 years $52 mil extension for the D specialist in the past week, WHICH IS STILL MORE THAN MONTA ELLIS!  Teams locking up role players before caps expand is smart, and even though his defensive, multi-cat per-36s lost some allure, remember he was in the starting unit more and should give you some nice boards again.  He’s a better fit for deep leagues, but we’re running out of the bigger upside lottery tickets.

141. Omer Asik, New Orleans Pelicans – Unlike a box of chocolates, you pretty much know what you’re gonna get.  25-26 minutes, 8/10 with almost a block.  Right at the fringe of usability.  Ryno will get his minutes off the bench, but they’ll have Asik out there bangin’ the bigger centers to keep the oft-injured Anderson and Brow healthy.

142. Marcus Morris, Detroit Pistons – I’ll take StanJo first in standard for the upside, but in redraft deep leagues ala 14+, I’ll take Morris.  The sudden trade to Detroit made the twins unhappy, but he seems penciled into the starting SF spot and will dot the perimeter alongside Ily and KCP.  Morris had career-bests in Pts/Reb while tying his career mark in treys in 14-15, and in say, 26 MPG should be right at last year’s numbers which was 146 in per-game.  Nice ThrAGNOF with a few boards.

143. Kyle O’Quinn, New York Knicks – What can I say, I’m a sucker for KOQ!  Yikes, I better not get that bumper sticker!  It’s a coin flip between KOQ or Porzy, but I think KOQ gets more minutes with roughly the same per-36 valuation.  In per-36s, O’Quinn’s blocks took a big hit, but he had a wildly inconsistent role in backup minutes in Orlando, and the Knicks paid him to play.  Phil J said O’Quinn can play “power forward and/or backup center” which kinda sounds like there’s a chance he could start at the 4, at least initially.  I don’t see them starting Derrick Williams or opening games with Melo at the 4, then Porzingis should come off the bench.  The Irishman’s deep stroke is a little too line-drivey, but he should bang a couple treys and get some blocks, while being a good FT shooter.

144. Dion Waiters, Oklahoma City Thunder – I’ve never been a Waiters guy in fantasy even though he’s a solid real-life player, and with OKC coming in healthy, it’s really hard to see him getting many shots with the starters.  That said, he should be able to lead some second unit minutes at the wing, and should be pretty close to 10 points with a trey and a steal per.  ThrAGNOFfy, but usable.

145. Gerald Henderson, Portland Trailblazers – Here’s a fun Hendo stretch – 18.9/4.0/3.4/1.0/0.6 with a 4.9-5.8 FT%.  That was the post-ASB in…  12-13.  My, how players can regress…  And now he’s off a congenital hip issue, so this could be his last shot to put up any numbers.  Hate the player, love the situation.  I don’t think McCollum can play starting SG any time soon, plus Hendo could move to the 3 in certain situations when they go uber-small.  The one, very minimal upward trend is the treys, which I think can near a 3PTM a game with some points and decent nice FT% volume.

146. Brandon Jennings, Detroit Pistons – I might argue BJ has the widest range of outcomes this year for any fantasy basketball player.  At his healthiest and at his peak he could be a 3rd or 4th rounder, or he could never be the same off the Achilles tear and barely get off the bench.  Or he could get traded to a team who loses a PG and be usable in the 2nd half.  Who really knows?  He might do just enough as a combo guard to stay ownable with upside as your final 12 team pick while in Detroit, but in shallower I’m not burning a roster spot.  In a deeper, it’s unreliable any earlier as well, unless there’s deep benches for stashing.

147. Tony Allen, Memphis Grizzlies – BORING!  Well, the metrics like him as he was 94th in per-game last year, as he had some nice runs at times.  The 2.0 steals per were a career-high, but that seems fluky high and he’s decided to blow at the FT line late in his career.  A steals specialist, he’s more a fit for deepers than a final spot in 12ers, but should be on rosters needing a steals boost with their final pick.

148. David West, San Antonio Spurs – Maybe I’m in the minority, but I think West is still going to be somewhat usable on his vet minimum contract with the Spurs.  Sure he’s just as old and boring as Duncan and L.A., but when the Spurs are beating teams down, I think they run him just like a younger second-unit player.  West is a big who can pass, so I don’t think it’s outlandish to see a 9/6/2.5/0.5/0.5 line as a leader with the backups at both PF/C in 22-23 MPG.  Low end multi-cat.

149. Frank Kaminsky, Charlotte Hornets – Sure I could see him getting the flier pick a few rounds earlier, but I think he’s an awful fit with the Hornets.  Playing him next to Big Al, it would be one of the slowest PF/C combos in NBA history, specifically for defense.  He’s way too skinny to play backup C (why they brought in Spencer Hawes), and there’s still the mix of Cody Zeller and Marvin Williams at the 4.  It’s crowded, and I don’t think Frank the Stank is any different than those guys.  I don’t think the blocks translate from college, I doubt he gets over 25 minutes per, and he wasn’t that great in Summer Ball given he played a ton of minutes and was 2-3 years older than most of the competish.

150. Kristaps Porzingis, New York Knicks – Man, if they gave Porzy 30 minutes out of the gate, he’d approach #100 or maybe even get into the 90s.  But as it stands now, Phil J said “it would be great if KP could get as much as 20 minutes a game early in the season, plus maybe a few more later when he’s acclimated to the NBA game.”  That kinda sounds like it’ll be in the teens for a while, and in 12ers that’s just not worth drafting.  Certainly keeping a keen eye open as he develops, as he should get a trey and a swat per game when he gets the minutes, while making his FT.  In deep leagues with a big enough bench, I’m definitely hoarding.

 

Whew, and there you go!  And big news – we’re launching the RCLs early next week!  Hopefully on Monday everything will be ready to go.  And we’ll finalize 150-200 next week as well, along with update the Master Standings.  Happy offseason, Razzball Nation!

 

 

 

  1. CTMN says:
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    I feel like Dwight Powell could be in the top 150 somewhere. You guys talked about him in summer league and he’s been balling out for team Canada this summer. Maybe put him in and take out Kyrie. Haha I had already decided that I was avoiding Kyrie no matter what, even before the news about his injury. He’s just always been injury prone, every year since Duke. Also screw Duke.

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      @CTMN: hah well staying with Kyrie, yeah I’ve said the past few weeks now I’m not getting him in any leagues and now that’s even more emphasized. Go heels! Although unc PG haven’t exactly had a good run lately (Lawson, Felton, Marshall torn ACL)

      Yeah Powell is in the 20-25 names left on the bubble. Great upside, just not quite ready for a big rotation spot just yet to me. He’ll likely play every game, but I’d only project 15-20 mins for now. If Dirk fell in his driveway tomorrow and was gonna miss the year, Powell easily jumps to 100-110

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        @JB Gilpin: LOL I didn’t even realize that UNC trend. Yeah Powell could be interesting, the Mavs are just weird this year. But it’s understandable not to expect anything just yet.

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          @CTMN: Hah yeah just two years ago that was a solid group!

          Dynasty – mmmmm Powell is interesting. Very fantasy friendly game. If he was on the Blazers I might have him 60 or 70 haha

  2. Nick says:
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    No Rodney Hood, WCS?

    WCS looks to be in line for some good playing time this year with only Koufous in his way. I know you’ve guys got a crush on Burks, but even if Hood does come off the bench he showed a lot last year, I think at least to garner a minimum of 25 minutes per game.

    Now that being said, it’s just my two cents but we’ll see I guess!

    Another question for you, I’m looking to move conley and or Jeffersons in my 8cat dynasty league. Draymond is my only SF so I’m looking for some support there. I feel like I could make these 3 offers and make the trade.

    Conley for Gordon + Clarkson
    Jefferson for TJones + Gallo
    Jefferson for Tobias + Clarkson

    I’m also looking to pick up 2 of the 3 PG/SG’s sitting in our FA pool in our FA draft at the end of September – McCollum, Jack, Burks and flip one for Mirotic if possible which could happen considering his owner lacks PG depth (Lillard and Rose)

    Looking for the best option.

    Thanks guys!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nick: Nah not too big on those guys, certainly top 200 though. WCS is like an Okafor or Howard just without a solidified role (and no TO at least) with decent blocks and crippling ft%. Koufos I think out minutes him and I don’t think you can leave out them going smaller and playing a lot of Gay at the 4.

      I don’t see any way Hood gets to 25 mins, Maybe 20, but I don’t think he can do enough off the bench. Obviously would be a great add if Burks or Hayward got hurt.

      Dynasty though, yeah both would hop into the 150 pretty easily.

      Whewwwww, love all those deals! I think I’d go for the Gallo Tjones one. Sooooo much upside and great youth from Jones.

      Def like Jack and Burks more this year by a far margin, but McCollum will have a ton of buzz especially for a dynasty. If you’re shooting to make a trade, McCollum I think could bring the most back.

      Thanks for dropping by man!

      • Nick says:
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        @JB Gilpin:

        Whelp! Got TJones + Gallo for Jefferson in Dynasty. Let’s hope that both those guys indeed fulfill their rankings as we think they should. I also hope that Jefferson doesnt tear it up and make me regret the trade haha

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          @Nick: Holy crap, are you kidding me?!?!?! Unreal trade! Good ol’ trade rape.

          Even Jones is pretty close if not better than Jefferson in a dynasty. A lot of tread on big al’s tires

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            @JB Gilpin:

            Haha in Dynasty I agree, next season? We’ll see but I’m pretty happy about it either way. Wanted to pull the trade before BBM projections came out and the dude say how high both Gallo and TJ will likely be ranked.

            Now if we’re talking real trade rape, I somehow pulled off Iggy for Blake early on 2 seasons ago. Guy had lots of PF’s and I sold Iggy when he first got to Golden State and started blazing hot. Guys in my league are still pissed about it haha.

            Anyway thanks for the rankings help! Don’t think I would’ve thought to ask for Gallo and TJ if it weren’t for you guys.

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              @Nick: Well glad BBM and we both agree!

              Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa, yeah that’s a travesty. I’m surprised your league let that happen…

              Glad to help man! I think we get some monster years from those two… Enjoy waltzing to a championship run my man!

  3. Matty says:
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    Great writeup, JB…even though it took way too long to get posted due to your out-of-whack priorities. (Honeymoon over summer fantasy basketball ranks? Poppycock!)

    One omission that jumped out for me – (unless I’ve missed him somewhere) I’m a bit surprised that Al-Farouq Aminu isn’t in your top 150. I think he’s going to get a ton of minutes at both the SF & PF spots. Should see run in the ~30 minute range which gives him a chance to contribute 2 combined blks/stls plus half a 3PM. He won’t kill your FT% (likely in the low-70s) and his FG% should see a positive regression from last year back closer to the .450 range if he can improve his long distance stroke and cut down a bit on those attempts. His AST:TO ratio should be right around 1:1 and he should be able to get somewhere in the 7-7.5 boards per game in a 30-minute role. Not a sexy pick, but this late in the draft I’d take him over half of the guys ranked 100-150 above.

    Also – I am with you in your general distaste for this year’s rookie crop in terms of first year fantasy value. The non-KAT guys with the biggest name value (Okafor & Russell) have major deficiencies and are going to be overdrafted. I don’t see myself paying market value for any rookie this year outside of MAYBE Mudiay…but that might only be because I just saw his Under Armour Youtube video about “Don’t Cheat The Grind” and those things always get me fired up.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Poppycock indeed! Or if we’re talking about Kyle O’Quinn, PoppyKOQ!

      Nope, no Aminu for me. I just think he’s terrible. 30 minutes seems like a good guess out of the gate, but I think he because a defensive wing specialist off the bench for Harkless or maybe Crabbe later on. Defensive stats and board, yeah I agree with you. But the reason his FG% dropped is he took a ton more treys. I think it’s either no treys, or he stays at 41-42%, he’s an awful shooter and can’t create. And I think he loses a lot of run in the second half – they signed him to be a bench player long term before caps expand, not as a long term starter IMO.

      Hah yeah that vid def fires you up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVii-Q7EZk

      Worried a little about his %s and TO, he’s still a maybe though. Turner is my rookie nookie this year though!

      • Matty says:
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        @JB Gilpin: No doubt that Mudiay will struggle a bit with his offensive game (FG% & TO specifically), but I think his family motto of “don’t cheat the grind” and his experience playing against pros (albeit lesser competition in China) will help him push through the typical rookie struggles like pace of play, physicality, and the 82-game season a little better than his draftmates.

        I love Mudiay’s clear path to minutes, the fact that he won’t be guiding a playoff contending team (so he’ll be allowed to learn on the fly without the threat of a quick hook after a bad turnover or poor shot selection), and his ability to provide assists later in the draft…which I’ve found to be a difficult category to fill after about the fifth or sixth round.

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          @Matty: Sure yeah I agree with that, but while I expect a strong real-life campaign, those percents will really eat into his overall valuation.

          It’s a clear path, sure, but Jameer isn’t gonna just sit around and if Mudiay is god awful, maybe he sits at times. I don’t think they leave him out there 36 minutes if he’s making a ton of rookie mistakes.

          Agree PG gets thinner, but there’s a lot of the “unsexy” PG I’d take rounds 6-10 before him (Jack, Hill, take a shot on Rose but I know he’ll be gone, etc.)

          • Matty says:
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            @JB Gilpin: I think we can use Elfrid Payton’s rookie year as a rough guide for what Mudiay could do…

            Around 30MPG (EP was 30.4). Low-40s FG% (EP was .425). Nice steals (EP was 1.7).

            I can see Mudiay actually being better in FT%, 3PM (EP only hit 11 all year), and PPG (EP was sub-9).

            Mudiay might not hit Elfrid’s nearly 7 dimes as EP got hot late in the year and was dishing at a high rate to bump that in the last month or so. And Mudiay might have a hard time keeping his TOs down too. EP did an OK job with “only” 2.5 and I could see EM hitting 3.

            Anything there that seems out of whack given Mudiay’s likely starting role with the Nugs and his supporting cast?

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              @Matty: Yeah he might be the closest comp, I would argue a few different things:

              FG% – I think closer to right at 40, since he does take 3s and is still finding his shot.
              FT% – Comparable, maybe a tad better but I bet in higher volume with still a bad one, it’ll still hurt.
              TO – Yeah that’s the biggie. In 30 MPG, easily will be over 3.

              So yeah we sound about the same

              Last year I had Elfrid 75-80 I think, I think those 3 defenciencies are enough to drop him to the low 90s where I have him

  4. Matty says:
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    Oh yeah, one other comment I wanted to make about a couple guys that you find in this set of ranks…

    The high-upside backup guards (Mo, Schroder, Jennings) feel like they should be worth paying a round or so premium if you happen to score the starter (Kyrie, Teague, Reggie, respectively) earlier in the draft. Call it handcuffing or an insurance policy, but in my format where we have four bench spots, I’m happy to sit on those types of guys rather than blow a huge chunk of my FA wad in the event of injury to the starter (or in Kyrie’s case, a delayed start to the season).

    I get that it’s tough to occupy two roster spots to own the positional depth chart for a single NBA team, but as you mentioned, there may be enough standalone value for guys like Mo & Schroder even if all parties are healthy.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Ah yeah that’s a good point, especially for those first two. Since I’m not touching Kyrie, if I get Mo I might try to flip him to Kyrie’s owner a few weeks in haha. But yeah, those two I think will be worth owning even with the PG there. BJ? Eesh who knows…

  5. MAC says:
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    Wazzup brahs?!!! Mo would definitely be interesting late rounds. Would you still draft him if hes there at lets say pick 11 if ur done with ur pgs? (4 pg in the line up). Or would you ignore him and go with the plan of drafting high upside guys particularly wings since we do plan on getting pg early and bigs middle to early late rounds.

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      @MAC: What’s good man!? Ummm, it would depend on what wings are there, I would probably still get him 110ish though and maybe try to flip him. I could see getting Mo and trading him to Kyrie’s owner a few weeks in as I mention above, you might be able to get a struggling wing early and turn it into real value

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        @JB Gilpin:
        maybe, wilson chandler, pj tucker, otto porter, aminu types. yeah, i would draft mo still over them. hehe. tnx man!

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @MAC: Hmmmm Chandler and Tucker are close, but yeah all of those kinda have limited upside IMO. Mo might be worth it over them if you’re in an active league to flip him. Any time!

  6. Dante Green says:
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    I cringed when I saw MCW’s name on the list! Hah Didn’t he have a game where he shot just 2/20 from the field? Totally killed my FG that time! Lol!

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        @JB Gilpin: Jesus, 1/13 and 2/13. What’s wrong with him! I hope he is working his ass of this offseason!

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Dante Green: Hah well I do think he shoots a tad better, but he stopped shooting 3s in MIL, I expect him to keep it in the arc again this year

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            @JB Gilpin: He was darn awful!! JB I gotta ask you something, I remember a couple of months ago you suggested that my league award the next year’s 1st pick to the best team that doesn’t make the playoffs this season (and so forth). I loved this idea bcoz not only will it determine our league’s next year’s draft order but it will also somehow help keep the league active, especially those who are already mathematically eliminated (one of the top 3 picks for next season sure is enticing enough). Here’s the thing, I’m also planning to apply a rule that will punish the last place team which would also help keep the everyone active, my question tho is: should it be the last place team during the REGULAR SEASON, or the last place team in the playoffs? ESPN has a consolation ladder right? We’re 12/14 team, 6 team playoffs.

            Thanks brotha!

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              @Dante Green: Yeah he was! Unownable at times.

              Whew that’s a good question. Only keeper league I do with a snake draft is a football league, and I do it for regular season. Football is inherently a lot more luck based, I kinda like doing it through the consolation bracket to be honest. Keeps teams active until the end to play for draft order. I think that’d be a ton of fun, and keep the championship week from being just the best two teams picking streamers, everyone will stay active!

              I think that’d be the way I go. Any time my man!

  7. Matty says:
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    I have three more guys (all point guards!) I feel will find their way into the top-120/150 range depending on how the cookie crumbles around them…

    1) Cory Joseph, PG, TOR – I believe Lowry is going to see a minutes reduction from his 34.6MPG last year in part because the team will be trying to preserve him for a better post-season run this year…and in part because I think there will be continued friction between he & coach Casey. CoJo “plays the right way” and Casey is an old school kinda guy who will dig that about his point guard. Greivis Vasquez, despite his awfulness in shot selection and defense, carved out a 24.3MPG role for the Raps last year. I see Lowry coming down to the 32 range and CoJo getting a bump to around 26. CoJo will shoot a high FG% (though fairly low volume), will flip you a 3:1 AST to TO ratio, and with those minutes should threaten to get you close to a full steal. Unfortunately I don’t think he’s ever going to be a long-distance bomber, but we should see a career year from Joseph now that he’s back home in Canada.

    2) Patty Mills, PG, SAS – Pretty similar situation to CoJo above where the incumbent starter won’t be a minutes monster, isn’t exactly a pillar of health historically, and Mills is the clear backup with what should be a floor of 20MPG, but could threaten to get into the ~25 range. Pop won’t give McCallum any run in his first year with the Spurs and Manu’s role is going to continue to diminish until it’s playoff time. Should be bombs away for Patty with the second unit and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him average 2.0 3PM/gm if his minutes go north of 20 for the first time in his career. Parker hasn’t played more than 68 games for four straight years, so you should feel pretty confident about getting at least a dozen games where Patty starts. I like him with your last pick in the draft who could provide sneaky good value all season.

    3) Aaron Brooks, PG, CHI – Wow, these Derrick Rose rape allegations are serious. Whether they have even an ounce of legitimacy or not, I have no idea. But this kind of distraction, assuming it lingers into the season, is another major red flag attached to a guy who already has a ton of ’em. If history is any indication, Brooks is almost guaranteed to start 20+ games, and with a presumably faster paced team under coach Hoiberg, he should have the green light to fire away (either with the second unit for 20MPG or with the starters for 30MPG). Just like CoJo and Mills, you should be able to snag Brooks with your last pick and get just enough value out of him at the start of the year until what seems like an inevitable opportunity to start presents itself. Then you’re sitting on an asset that will provide tremendous return on your late-round investment.

    The only thing with taking a shot on any of these guys is that you have to exercise a bit of patience and stay the course. Planning to take one (or two…or three) of these guys and then dumping them in the first week for the WW flavor-du-jour is a waste. The idea is that you hold them until the starter goes down (granted, completely unpredictable) and then reap the rewards without having to fight the other owners in your league through the waiver/FA process.

    Curious how the rest of the community would rank these three guys?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: All three def interesting! And certainly all top 200.

      1 – Agree on career year, I can’t see 26 MPG though. I don’t think he’s big enough to play combo 2 or move to the 1 to push Lowry to the 2. Very rarely do I think we see them together, and I agree Lowry will play a little less too, maybe 32 MPG? So that’s 16 plus a handful, I’d go 20 MPG for Cojo. His game is metrics solid, but yeah no 3s and I don’t think enough volume. Great deeper league Lowry handcuff though.

      2 – Mills is interesting, it’s between him and Brooks first. Yeah I don’t see any way he’s not the starting PG on Parker DNP nights… I like this one. 25 minutes sounds good too. I think he’s far enough off the radar though to not have to draft in 12ers, and try and scoop him up when Parker goes down. Your bottom thought fits this one well

      3 – Yikes, yeah Rose is not looking good right now, but innocent until proven guilty. He has the most upside for both PT and performance. I say this with extreme nausea, maybe they start Hinrich at PG though? Ugh. I’m thinking he’s the highest ranked for me of these 3 though

      Great thoughts, thanks man! Food for thought wrapping up the ranks

      • Matty says:
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        @JB Gilpin: I think Joseph’s role/minutes is going to surprise you. Vasquez had a couple inches and about 15 pounds on CoJo but couldn’t guard PGs or SGs to save his life. He still found a way to carve out 24MPG with Lowry running mid-30s. If I were to set Joseph’s MPG over/under at 23.5 it sounds like you’d take the under and I’d pretty confidently take the over. So we shall see at the end of the year, but as a Raps fan (by geographical proximity/obligation, not because I particularly like them) I just get this feeling Casey is gonna love having a more capable 2-way PG to justify him benching Lowry at the first sign of “trouble”…whether that be attitude, team performance, injury, or something else.

        I think Patty Mills is going to be a common last pick for me in drafts this year…especially if I need 3s late. I’ve always liked how he plays and he’s in that sweet spot of time spent with Pop where he’s now trusted and should earn consistent run. Kind of like what I assume Danny Green is moving into now with fewer quick-hook benchings.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Matty: Well if we’re assuming Lowry is going to miss time again, then yeah Cojo could get there. Vasquez was only 20:50 MPG off the bench, but 30:33 as a starter in 29 games. Lowry missed only 12 games. So Vasquez started some games at the 2, no way they start Cojo and Lowry together. So that has Vasquez’s overall MPG much higher than I see Cojo.

          So let’s if Lowry misses only 10 games, I will def take the under at 23.5. But of course, this is just how I see it and not a home team fan 🙂

          Yeah I don’t mind Mills with the last pick, he’s prob 160ish for me, 12 team leagues pick to 156 I think in standards, so yeah we’re right there

  8. Jensen says:
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    Do you all do rankings for points leagues? I honestly just can’t remember. No pressure or anything tho.

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      @Jensen: Hah, nah we haven’t, I’m not sure if ever, definitely not since I took over in 12-13.

      Do you like Pts leagues? TBH I haven’t done one in years

  9. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    I’m curious about the value of a H2H POINTS league and am wondering in what ways it might be more “fun”/challenging than a ROTO or straight H2H league. I can see that if one gets the weighing of the individual CATS right…the creating a team that gets measured by a single TOTAL might be challenging and would sorta duplicate the actual scoring of real basketball games. (All my prior seasons were ROTO until last year’s H2H.)

    So, Monsieur Jensen, what are the best parts of a H2H Points league for you? Do you feel it requires the same kinds of strategic & diabolical stats crunching and “brain bubble boosting benefits” as other formats? ( crap…that sentence tired me out. I think I need a beer and a nap).
    Thanks.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Jensen: @Phranque (pronounced Frank): Yeah I avoid Pts leagues in both baseball and basketball, kinda takes away the fun of constructing a team…

      Hope you had a good nap man! Hah

  10. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP MAN?!!! when is slims playoffs post? and ur updated rankings with playoff sked in mind. did some mocks today, i know its pretty much non sense since theyll update the rankings a couple more tyms, but yeah, cant avoid picking up a player that has a more favorable sked. like at round 3-4, going oladipo now over dragic. with orl having 4 4 4 over heat 3 3 4.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @MAC: Razzup man?! We’re movin we’re movin! I’m gonna wait and update the master ranks when I’m done with the 151-200 post, it takes some grooming to get that list updated every re-edition. So mid to late next week!

      Slim said he’s nearing the end of his post, so I’ll get the whip and be sure that’s out next week as well.

      Yeah I agree with that change I think I’d flip those two as well…

  11. James says:
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    Hey guys. Nice write ups etc, always nice to have these rankings etc available so early in the pre season. Got a question for you. Had a trade vetoed last week that was for a 16 team Dynasty League h2h 8 cats (No TO’s)

    Anyway, the deal was Clarkson, Adams and Shabazz for Rondo, Tyson Chandler and Ross.

    The deal was vetoed because teams felt the Rondo, Tyson side was far too lopsided. Keep in the mind this is also dynasty but looking at your ranking of Clarkson (rightly so in my eyes) was this a vetoable trade?

    Cheers

    • Matty says:
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      @James: Hey James. I’m sure you’re looking more for feedback from JB & Slim, but I’ll toss my 2c in here, fwiw.

      First things first – I am a STRONG believer in trades only being vetoed when there is EVIDENCE (not just suspicion) of collusion. You can’t fix stupid and there will always be lopsided trades…in every fantasy league and in every major sports league. So unless there is strong reason to believe that the two owners involved are stacking one roster through a single large or series of trades, the commish and other owners just have to deal with a perceived lopsided deal that’s agreed upon by two owners. Rankings are subjective, particularly when projected over multiple years (i.e.dynasty leagues), so how can other owners accurately say who will be the most valuable assets in two, three, four, five years time? The NBA landscape is far too dynamic to project very far forward with any degree of certainty. Injuries, free agency, trades, the draft, off-court issues, coaching changes, skill development/erosion, etc. all play a huge role.

      Ok, philosophical rant part being over with, I see this trade as basically a “build for the future” vs. a “win now” situation and those are often the best deals because in dyno leagues some owners work on a short-term plan and others take the long-term view. In this particular case I personally think Clarkson is the most valuable asset, and it’s not close. Adams and Shabazz are both “meh” but at least have an outside shot at being serviceable players down the line if they develop and the cookie crumbles properly around them to clear up an avenue to bigger minutes. On the other side, I don’t think Rondo will be in the league in three years…maybe two. Not due to age or injury, but due to him being more trouble than he’s worth. We’re in a golden age of point guards, and a perennial malcontent who can torpedo an entire team with declining skills and basically unusable in the clutch due to woeful FT shooting just doesn’t have staying power in today’s game. I loved watching peak Rondo with the Celts, but given his attitude and play the last couple years, I’ll be happy to see him fade into obscurity and give his roster spot to someone who seems like they give a darn about the privilege of playing in the NBA. I like Chandler, but he’s in the twilight of his career. One or two more top-100 seasons is probably about it and then he’s toast. Ross, in my estimation, has maxed out his potential. He’s too soft and too inconsistent in his willingness to use his athleticism to his advantage. A guy that can run and jump like he can just simply cannot be settling for the deep ball and bad shot selection that he’s shown the last couple years. I like the kid, but we’ve seen his best and he’s a 20MPG 3 & D wing who needs to rediscover his “D” from two years ago (apparently last year he was playing through bone spurs and other nagging lower body injuries that sapped him of his lateral quicks, thus affecting his ability to guard explosive wings). He’ll struggle to post top-100 value ever again IMO.

      So overall I think Clarkson is worth doing the deal all by himself as he’s the only one who has multi-year “star” potential. He’s the most valuable asset to me and sending some non-stud, limited lifespan players the other way is a perfectly reasonable price to pay. Certainly not veto-able in my estimation unless the guy receiving the veterans is deficient in exactly the categories he’s receiving (Rondo – AST, Chandler – REB/BLK, Ross – 3PM) and will have a surefire championship team by adding these pieces. Then, and only then, might it be worth looking into a bit deeper.

      Good luck this season and let us know if the veto decision gets reversed. Cheers!

      • JB Gilpin

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        @James: @Matty: Yeah I’m with Matty, very against vetoing trades.

        I’m also with Matty on… wait why was it vetoed? Seems very fair to me, Rondo could get traded mid season and be a backup. Chandler isn’t much in 8-cat, and Clarkson I have by far the best ranked player, but yeah as you mention James, apparently his pre-ranks early on are horrible.

        I think it should be reversed to and go though… Thanks for stopping by!

        • James says:
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          @JB Gilpin:

          Yeah, I still don’t know the reason it was vetoed, apparently Rondo and Chandler are too much even though Clarkson is not only the best player in the deal but also a good 6+ years younger in a dynasty deal and Adams/Shabazz still obviously have upside at least and are very young whereas I agree with Matty that Ross has already hit his ceiling it would seem.

          Thanks for the response though man, really enjoy reading your articles/player rating etc.

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @James: Yup I don’t know if we see Ross ever doing too much again.

            Thanks for stopping by and very much appreciate it!

      • Dr Heartwell says:
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        @Matty: That was geniusly said Matty!!! That’s even blog worthy to get people to understand Dynasty trades better!

        • Matty says:
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          @Dr Heartwell: Thanks Doc! But if you could say that “genius” comment one more time and maybe just a little bit louder so my wife can hear you, it’d be much appreciated! Ha

          This Razzball community is pretty awesome though, isn’t it? Tons of really intelligent, well researched, passionate folks posting here. I’ve learned as much from the comments forum as I have from the articles themselves…and that’s a complement to JB & Slim, not a knock against them (and I bet they know that).

          The coolest thing is that there’s discussion about nearly every format of fantasy basketball league too. Redraft, dynasty, 8- to 20-team, H2H, roto, total points, you name it. And maybe the best part is that nobody gets bent outta shape when there’s a difference of opinion on a player, a trade, etc…that’s increasingly rare to find in this online world of comments section e-bashing.

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            @Matty: Agree 10000000%

            This is my hidden gem that I wish I could tell everyone about but then I’d lose my leg up on the competition that this site brings me! But always a fun read. and love the discussion comments just as much. Especially that all the mods join in to help answer almost every question

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Matty: @Dr Heartwell: Thanks so much guys! Yeah Slim and I are just facilitators to the Razzball Hoops offense, Slim is more like a…. Chris Paul, few mistakes, but golden. I’ll be like Rubio, I can certainly turn it over a lot haha.

              Yeah true, very few bashing or hate, it’s become an awesome community.

              Comments is what makes us go, love hoppin in, big part of what makes Razzball, Razzball!

      • James says:
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        @Matty:

        Wow, thanks Matty that was an awesome response and definitely completely agree 100% with you. You are right, it was made between two owners on a ‘win now’ v ‘for the future’ basis which as you say are probably the best trades to make in dynasty.

        It was vetoed but the owners which vetoed could not even really come up with a decent reason as to why it was vetoed so I just wanted to see what other fantasy ballers from a neutral perspective thought of the trade. I’ve never seen a worse veto before so thanks for verifying what I was thinking haha.

        You’re right re the comment section, I learn a tonne from these as well as the articles themselves and with the mods joining in it makes for a top notch place to talk fantasy ball.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @James: “It was vetoed but the owners which vetoed could not even really come up with a decent reason as to why it was vetoed” Yikes, yeah you need some better league mates! Haha.

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            @JB Gilpin:

            Haha sadly you may be right JB. Pity, it’s a dynasty league entering it’s 7th season and half the guys have been there since the start so it’s been a great league.

            Look forward to seeing how you guys round out the top 200! Nice work man.

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              @James: Hah yeah, well if people are engaged 7 years, it’s been a good league. Thanks so much man! Grinding through it now, getting ugly haha

  12. CTMN says:
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    Someone needs to throw an intervention for you about your KCP addiction.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @CTMN: They’ve tried counselling, they’ve tried the 13 step program… I JUST CAN’T DO IT! Seriously though, I could see him getting to 18 a game, who else is gonna score? R-Jax, Drummo a little thennnn, Marcus Morris or Ily? Bleh

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        @JB Gilpin: I dunno but SVG seems set on playing Jodie Meeks some big minutes….I mean, Van Gundy is the GM who overpaid him, so he’d also be the coach to overplay him right?
        Also: Since when is Dion Waiters a solid player? Lol my all time favorite waiters moment: https://vine.co/v/OHDjYbBiO9q

        • JB Gilpin

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          @CTMN: Well Van Gundy was still running him fairly light last year, given Meeks had that back surgery to slow his year. I dunno, I think KCP fits his system of good D and stretching it for Drumm’s paint. I guess the same could be said for Meeks, but I think KCP is a better defender.

          Hahahaha, maybe that was a poor choice of words. “Average NBA starter?” I mean, he’s fine. He’d score 25 a game on Portland!

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            @JB Gilpin: Yeah the KCP thing is possible, not a big risk anyway if it doesn’t work out.
            Lol I can’t even imagine Waiters on portland, that would be so fun though!

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              @CTMN: For sure, yeah he’s final pick or two. Hahah Waiters going 10-32 every night?! Would be awesome!

  13. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    WOW Matty,
    I just read your post. Well done. I agree COLLUSION really should be the single reason to block a trade.

    I lost a ROTO league a couple of years back where a guy in the top 3 spots…but near last in REBS & BLKs… proposed to trade his Curry for my D. Jordan and parts ( I needed pts & 3/s). The trade was vetoed. The dude who was most opposed to the trade ultimately won the league, I took second and the GM with Curry took 3d. Not absolutely sure how the league would have ended if the trade went through…But the dude who won likely would have ended in 3d. I now only play in leagues where ONLY the Commish has the veto.

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      @Phranque (pronounced Frank): Why’d they veto? Cause Curry’s just way better? Because if you’re punting FTs, DeAndre becomes like top 5 and fits a team’s needs so that’s just stupid of them.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Phranque (pronounced Frank): @CTMN: Yup I only do commish veto too, and never use it. I had to once in baseball this year, but it was just disturbingly bad and a re-negotiation had it work out a few days later.

        It helped it was a friends league and we have a FB group for it haha.

  14. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    Hi CTMN….Your perspective was exactly what I thought and argued at the time. But apparently the folks in the league chose not to understand that a CAT specific trade that makes a team ROTO competitive should (I can’t believe I’m going to use this term) “trump” the respective player’s general ranking.

    Maybe the folks in the league consulted their Ouija boards and knew one player would end up being an MVP and the other a tall, confused Texan who can’t go home again.

    Or maybe as the Donald would say….dey wuz all LOOZAHS!

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      @CTMN: @Phranque (pronounced Frank): That’s so frustrating, especially since basketball arguably takes the most skill since you have to balance all the categories. Hah, the Texan was too confused to move teams!

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      @Phranque (pronounced Frank): I was commish last year and I had to veto a trade because the last place team was helping a guy in the middle, and its my friends so everyone knows that those 2 guys try to cheat EVERY year and they weren’t even trying to hide it. Yet they still complained anyway and it was a mess…never being commish again

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        @CTMN: Yeesh, that sounds annoying. I got into it in a football keeper where I made an offseason trade, and everyone whined so I gave commish to the second most long-tenured player (14th year of a keeper) saying I was fed up, and he immediately gave it back bc he knew he didn’t wanna deal with it haha

  15. Felipe says:
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    Hey JB! Loved your rankings! Huge fan of your work! I’m playing in a Head to Head Points 8-team League with these scoring settings:
    PTS = 1 FP
    3PM = 1 FP
    REB = 1.25 FP
    AST = 1.50 FP
    BLK = 2 FP
    STL = 2 FP
    TO = -0.75 FP

    So, I NEED to ask you this:
    With the 6th pick, who would you take? Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Felipe: Thanks so much man! Appreciate ya droppin by!

      Mmmmm pretty close, but after thinking it over and breaking it down, I think it’s definitely Westbrook. With FG% not a factor, that eliminates that deficiency for Westbrook, plus his steals got to a career best last year while Paul started trending down as he’s aging. The FG% elimination is the biggie though, gimme RW.

  16. Felipe says:
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    Thanks JB! You’re AWESOME!!!

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      @Felipe: Thanks man, really appreciate it! We try!

  17. Zach says:
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    won my 20-man h2h keeper league last year, thoughts on my keepers? we can keep up to 13 players, 9-cat league. any things to improve?

    pg: d. lillard, d. williams
    sg: j. harden, KCP
    sf: l. deng, c. brewer
    pf: g. monroe, e. davis
    c: z. pachulia

    not keeping (or should I add?): a. iguodala, c. joseph, m. barnes

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Zach: Nice work man! Love the deepers.

      Holy hell, sick core! Ummm, Cojo is the only close one. I think I might hold him since he could play a little more combo guard and Lowry is a little injury prone.

      Having trouble seeing any major holes except blocks. Just having two huge usage guys in Harden and lillard prob has you losing TO most weeks, but I’d be fine with that. One more big in the draft and you’re golden. Thanks for droppin by!

  18. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    Hey Felipe….
    I see you play a H2H points league. I’ve never played a points league, but I’m curious about setting one up this season.

    SOOOO….what do you find the most fun about your league? Have you played either ROTO or regular H2H before? How would you compare them all? J.B. seems to be of the opinion that Points leagues do not provide the same GM challenge of pasting a competitive team together. Is that your experience?

    How did you decide on what weight to give each of the 7 CATS? I’d really appreciate whatever advice you’ve got. I’m sorta interested in mixing it up this season and am wondering if a points might be a kick. Thanks.

  19. Felipe says:
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    Hey Phranque
    You should definitely try!

    I have played Roto and my custom H2H League. I think the big difference is that in a Roto League you have to set a team where each player completes the other. You can pick players who are studs in some categories but not so good in others. Then you pick players to fill those deficiencies. So you need to think of your team as a whole. Its strong and weak points. In my H2H League, you need to assemble the best players for each position. And the GM skill needed here is to choose the most all-around players. So that you can count on them to score fantasy points on any category on any given night. You have to identify multi-dimensional talented players and not just players who are great rebounders or great scorers.

    For me the fun part are the match ups and off course the playoffs! Me and my friends are always trash talking each other! We are a close group! And the rivalry is HUGE!

    As for the categories, we think these 7 are the most important and we didn’t want to put % because it would be too much math LOL
    As for the weights, it’s our 10th season and after testing some formulas in the past, we believe this one is perfect! We give more points to stats we think are more difficult to achieve. And we don’t overvalue a position. A star point guard is as crucial as a star center. So a good player averages 30-35 fantasy points. A great player averages 35-40 FP. A stud averages 40-45 FP. And a beast averages 45-50 FP.

    I hope this helps!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Phranque (pronounced Frank): @Felipe: Interesting stuff guys!

      Yeah your Pts system def makes everyone equal. I’m not as big for Roto in hoops because I tend to have a lot of high-usage players and if you’re bad in one category (usually TO for me), it kills you in the Roto table. H2H is still my jam because there’s the strategy of punting without it killing you that way. But I may just have to try a Pts league after not doing one in a few years!

  20. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    Hey Yo…,
    Felipe, I really appreciate your insights into your Points league. I think you put your finger on what’s different/interesting to me about your league. In ROTO & in straight H2H the focus is on the CATS and how to bolster each CAT. Your league has greater focus on filling the position without the concern about whether a particular player’s weakness in a CAT will require you to think about punting a CAT…or two (think D12). In your league, D12 (when he could stay on the court) would be evaluated for his contributions and not his glaring inabilities (glass…half full outlook).

    I’m planning on rosters of 15 players (10 playing, 5 sitting). There would be 2 of each: C, PF, SF, SG, PG…. BUT no generic FORWARD or GUARD slot. So the GM has to find the best contributor for each REAL Bball position (no CAT filling wild card slots allowed).

    I think your 7 CATS make the most sense. I checked league stats to try and come up with CAT ratios for the 7 CATS that might make sense and I think I’ve decided on these (I wanted to stick with whole number values. But a weekly winner would likely have to have over 2,000 pts. I wonder if that gets to be a hassle…like who has enough fingers and toes to keep score?):
    PTS…..1 FP
    3/s…. 3 FP
    Reb…. 2 FP
    Blk…. 8 FP
    Ast… 3 FP
    STL… 8 FP
    TOs…(-1 FP)

    Felipe, JB….any thoughts? Thanks.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Felipe: @Phranque (pronounced Frank): Sounds like a good Pts system to me! I get taking away player deficiencies, but I like adding TO and I feel like, while it could be more “fun”, it’s a big difference to how a guy really played on a given night. POint is though, all these formats are fun and have merits, which is why hoops is the best fantasy game!

  21. Felipe says:
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    Thanks JB! It’s nice to have the approval of a professional!

    Alright Phranque! I’m glad you liked it! You really understood the essence of my league! As for the rosters, we used 15 players before (10 starting and 5 sitting) when we were allowing only weekly substitutions. Since we moved to daily lineup changes, we changed to 12 players (9 starting and 3 sitting). This brings new circumstances to the table. Firstly, all of your players can play during the week. But that doesn’t mean they are going to. Since we locked a games played limit at 36, if you manage to reach 35 games played by the end of Saturday, the maximum amount of games played you can achieve is 44 by the end of Sunday. So you have to choose carefully the starters for each night. Secondly, if you have and injured player or a developing player, you really should have 11 players good enough to take the heat until you can use that player. Or you could use your 10 players + 1 different free agent daily (7 free agency moves allowed per week) to match your opponent number of games played.

    As for the positions, we use 1PG, 1SG, 1SF, 1PF, 2C, 1G, 1F and 1 Utility. The 3 bench players could be of any position. I think these resembles an NBA lineup. But that’s just my personal taste.

    Got it! In my league, a weekly winner will likely go over 1.000 fantasy points. I agree it’s hard to keep a mental track of your team’s fantasy points, but it’s easy to calculate your player’s performance while watching a game.

    As for the ratios, I think you should lower the blocks and steals, otherwise you’ll overvalue defensive players. Why don’t you go with my system? I promise you it’s easy math 😉

    Agree JB! Turnovers are important! Fantasy Basketball is the best there is!

  22. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    Hi Felipe,
    Thanks for laying out how your league is set up. You’ve provided lots to think about. This site is a real tickle and the Razzball community provides one of the best resources for promoting the fun and positive experience we all share in fantasy bball. Slim and J.B. are certainly to be congratulated for building such a useful and cooperative site.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Felipe: @Phranque (pronounced Frank): Sounds like a fun league! Love the daily moves allowed, and the amount. Sounds like a perfect amount.

      Definitely some great food for thought on those leagues. Thanks so much Phranque! We just love doing it, and it’s been great to see Razzball hoops grow while maintaining such a good core of smart people. 15-16 can’t get here fast enough!

  23. Felipe says:
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    My pleasure Phranque! And you’re totally right! JB and Slim deserve much congratulations and success!

    Definitely a fun league! My philosophy while building it was to maximise the importance of GM skills and minimise the influence of pure luck!

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