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[Final update as of October 26th!  I hope all of your drafts went swimmingly, and we have two more Razzball Basketball Commenter Leagues drafting tonight!   If you’re feeling light on your teams this year, or want one more shot at a great draft, sign up and join one of those leagues today!]

We’re back with the Razzball Hoops’ all-in-one, frequently updated, hopefully mostly right, let’s do this Rubio!, is this a run on sentence?, fantasy basketball ranks!

Below is our official Razzball Basketball top 200, which we’ll be updating all through the offseason, training camp, preseason, and up until the final night before 2015-16 tips off.  With each player, I give a small blurb on my thoughts, list Yahoo position eligibility (since this is where we’ll be playing our RCL leagues), and Slim gives his 9-cat projection along with projected minutes played.  Alas, Slim and I don’t agree on everything!  So if you see a projection that seems out-of-whack with where a player is ranked, we’ve probably argued the point on the Podcast…  But we also love all of your questions/comments/disbelief at ranks.  We answer any and all of your comments, so if you play in different formats, have keeper questions, salary cap quandaries, or want to be the one to break a piece of news, the comment thread on this running post will be our hub for all fantasy hoops thoughts!

So without any further [James Michael Mc]Adoo, here’s our one stop shop for the 2015-16 Fantasy Basketball Rankings:

(you can read detailed thoughts on all players in the initial ranking articles found in the menu above, or through these links:)

Rank 1-10 | Rank 11-20 | Rank 21-50 | Rank 51-75 | Rank 76-100

Rank 101-150 | Rank 151-200

Razzball Basketball 2015-2016 Fantasy Basketball Rankings

(rankings geared for 10/12-team 9-category H2H Leagues)

GREEN = risingRED = falling

(stat projections by FG%/FT%/3PTM/PTS/REB/AST/STL/BLK/TO :MPG)

RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
1 Anthony Davis, NO PF, C Fantasy’s unquestioned per-game titan, fantasy rightfully questions the durability.  He’s going to add in a few deep balls and Gentry wants him to have even more O touches.  Viva El Brow!
Slim’s Projection: .515/.810/0.2/26.0/10.5/2.4/1.4/3.0/1.6 :36
2 James Harden, HOU SG, SF Very close to Brow for #1, very – and I mean very – minimal knock with Lawson stealing some usage whenever they play together. Brow still has a tad of upside after last year, I don’t know if Harden can go up much higher.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.870/2.5/27.5/5.5/6.6/1.8/0.6/3.8 :36
3 Stephen Curry, GSW PG, SG I have a feeling he’s going to be a consensus 1 or 2 – still very close between these top 3 – but there’s some concern to the minutes as Golden State blows the scrubbos out.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.900/3.5/24.5/4.3/7.8/1.9/0.2/3.3 :34
4 Kevin Durant, OKC SF, PF Upside for a return to fantasy’s top player, downside his foot issue hampers yet another season.  I’m obviously closer to the former, but he doesn’t get into the top-3.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.880/2.3/28.0/6.8/4.4/1.1/0.8/3.0 :34
5 Chris Paul, LAC PG Obvious awesome dimes, low TO, nothing is unrepeatable.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.880/1.6/18.0/4.3/10.5/2.0/0.1/2.3 :34
6 Damian Lillard, POR PG Time to start getting saucy with it!  With one of the most horrific starting 2-5 running mates a PG has ever had in the history of the NBA (well, maybe the Sixers at times last year!). the Blazers are going to tell Lillard to try and put up MVP numbers in a tank season.  Monster points/treys, a good bit of dimes, the steals have become respectable, but it’ll cost a high-volume FG% and a few too many TO.  The upside is too big to pass here.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.860/2.7/26.0/4.6/7.5/1.2/0.3/3.0 :36
7 Russell Westbrook, OKC PG Westbrook’s 2nd half was one of the most unreal post-ASB runs we’ve ever seen, but obviously with Durant back, those unreal dimes and a good chunk of shots are going away.  Up a few spots in 8-cat, that’s for sure!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.2/23.0/6.3/7.5/2.0/0.3/3.9 :34
8 LeBron James, CLE SF, PF A horrific start turning it over in Cleveland, LeBron also had a steep drop in FG%.  Both should improve, but he also has lost the blocks.  Solid #5.  DOWN – Officially worried he doesn’t get to 70 games.  I didn’t really feel the pain until I had a #6 draft pick and I really, REALLY didn’t want to pick him.
  Slim’s Projection:   .505/.740/1.6/24.0/6.2/7.2/1.5/0.6/3.5 :36
9 John Wall, WAS PG Regression in the developing 3-pt game hurt, and high-TO originally had me keeping him outside the top-10, but now flipping him ahead of Klay, Boogie and Kawhi due to thinning of top-tier PG.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.800/1.0/19.5/4.5/10.6/1.8/0.6/3.7 :36
10 DeMarcus Cousins, SAC PF, C These last 3 are all razor thin, but Boogie takes a huge hit on your TO, and that’s without your team having a PG. That said, he was playing some of his best ball in the 2nd half last year. Now has Rondo to facilitate without stealing shots, along with Willie Cauley-Stein to take some defensive pressure off.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.770/0/25.0/12.5/3.2/1.5/1.7/4.0 :34
11 Rudy Gobert, UTA C Monsieur Elbow!  Steiffel Tower!  The Big French Nickname!  Going to provide crazy big man stats, with an acceptable FT%.  Way above the true ‘FT-punt’ bigs.  If I’m missing the top-10, I feel dirty not having a top-end big or PG, and Rudy is my favorite of those positions.  I’ll reach.
Slim’s Projection: .585/.650/0/12.0/12.5/1.8/1.0/2.9/1.8 :34
12 Klay Thompson, GSW SG, SF Proliferation of defensive stats and crazy %s for how many treys he takes, Klay has shed the ThrAGNOF label and shit on it.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.880/2.9/20.0/3.3/2.9/1.0/0.6/1.9 :34
13 Draymond Green, GSW SF, PF Woooooo, #OccupyDraymondGreen!  Don’t worry about any sort of sharp regression, the multi-cat is here to stay!
Slim’s Projection: .455/.680/1.6/13.0/8.4/4.0/1.7/1.3/1.7 :34
14 Paul Millsap, ATL PF, C Under appreciated for three seasons now, he should see another small step forward in the perimeter game with DeMarre Carroll out of town.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.755/1.2/18.0/8.0/3.2/1.8/1.0/2.3 :34
15 Jimmy Butler, CHI SG, SF Sure there’s injury concerns, but with Tibs gone, his ridiculous minutes should go down.  Rose will take a little volume, help with efficiency.  Love the strong game with low-TO.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.825/1.0/18.5/5.6/3.1/1.8/0.5/1.4 :36
16 Serge Ibaka, OKC PF, C Blocks have fallen 4 straight years from 3.7 to 2.4, I don’t know how many treys he takes with Enes Kanter taking so many mid-range opportunities and Durant back. Swats should improve a tad, FG% certainly to go up from last year.
Slim’s Projection: .515/.810/0.7/15.0/8.0/0.9/0.5/2.7/1.5 :32
17 Kawhi Leonard, SA SG, SF With LA in town, Kawhi is going to get more shots from deep, wider lanes to drive, and get a career-best in dimes.  Pop’s annoying rotations/minutes is all that stands in the way of a superstar season.  That is, except the scheduling committee giving the Spurs that awful playoff sched…  Smh…
Slim’s Projection: .480/.810/1.3/15.5/6.4/2.8/2.4/0.8/1.6 :34
18 Eric Bledsoe, PHX PG, SG Swinging for the fences, Bledsoe is by far my favorite of the mid-round PG and has his best G running mate in Knight replacing Dragic/IT2.  Will need some monster stats and a slight relief in TO for this to happen…  But the dramatic drop off of PG has him even more attractive as an early target.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.785/1.1/17.5/5.3/6.5/1.5/0.6/3.5 :36
19 Blake Griffin, LAC PF, C Nothing seems unrepeatable from last year, love the emerging dimes and improving FT stroke.
Slim’s Projection: .505/.740/0.3/22.5/7.9/5.3/1.0/0.5/2.3 :36
20 Paul George, IND SG, SF Even in his best season, he wasn’t a first-round fantasy value.  I was wrong!  He was 11th in total value in 13-14, I apologize to Mr. Green, the commenters, to the George family, to the world.  While I don’t see quite an 11th finish again, I do expect a very strong return; although poor FG% and TO for a wing do have to be addressed with your team build.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.820/2.1/19.5/7.4/3.2/1.7/0.3/2.8 :34
21 Andrew Wiggins, MIN SG, SF Clear upside to have a superstar fantasy season, his post-ASB FT volume was insane.  I see monster scoring with a solid FG%, along with baby steps in the D stats. Of course the right build will need to be together to get him early third round, but I did it and was happy with it after a Harden/Ibaka 1/2.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.790/0.8/21.0/5.2/2.9/1.2/0.8/2.4 :38
22 Carmelo Anthony, NYK SF, PF Only 30th in per-game last year, sure injuries factored in, but I don’t think there’s enough reliability here to draft him higher.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.820/1.7/23.0/6.4/3.2/0.9/0.4/2.4 :36
23 Andre Drummond, DET PF, C Obviously a full-blown punt-FT big, as we move through the ranks I’m treating each pick as a ‘best pick in a vacuum’.  Upside for monster post stats with no Monroe.
Slim’s Projection: .530/.380/0/16.0/13.5/1.2/0.9/2.0/1.6 :32
24 Pau Gasol, CHI PF, C Of course he’s very unlikely to replicate 14-15, but he was 13th in per-game/7th in overall value.  This rank already builds in some regression, and he should have the minutes scaled down a tad with no Tibs to hopefully keep him healthy.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.780/0.1/17.0/9.8/2.8/0.3/1.5/1.9 :32
25 Al Horford, ATL PF, C Going to be very overlooked in 15-16, gives great value in high-volume FG% and microscopic TO that many drafters ignore for bigger counting stats.  MPG risk with some blowouts likely sink his value a tad.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.740/0.2/16.0/7.5/3.3/0.9/1.4/1.5 :32
26 Marc Gasol, MEM C Gasol brothers razor close – would take Pau for boards, Marc for a little more help in out-of-position dimes.
Slim’s Projection: .490/.785/0/17.0/7.8/3.8/0.8/1.6/2.1 :34
27 Nikola Vucevic, ORL PF, C Some look at his low steals and blocks for a big and dismiss him, but was 22nd in per-game last year due to high-volume FG% and a good FT% for a big,  Fits a lot of builds earlier than you would think.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.745/0/20.0/10.5/2.1/0.8/0.7/2.0 :34
28 Gordon Hayward, UTA SG, SF Dante Exum has a torn ACL and the Jazz only have Trey Burke to play PG.  Not much of a change to the slight concern over Hayward’s 5.2:2.8 AST:TO ratio dropping to 4.1:2.7 last year, but Hayward is looking up a tad with no Exum.  Hayward has improved every year.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.820/1.6/20.5/4.7/4.4/1.4/0.5/2.7 :34
29 Kyle Lowry, TOR PG Litany of injuries through his career, tried to gut through a hand issue last year and FG% dropped to 37.3% and dimes down to 5.4.  Looks like the tension from summer isn’t going to be an issue, and he’s murdering it in preseason right now.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.810/2.0/18.0/4.7/6.4/1.4/0.2/2.4 :34
30 Hassan Whiteside, MIA C The bad FT% doesn’t hurt as much as the pure-FT punt guys, shocking 34th in per-game value only starting 32 of 48 games.  Not worried about the low minutes, already provided big value in smaller minutes last year.
Slim’s Projection: .610/.510/0/12.5/10.5/0.2/0.5/2.4/1.5 :28
31 Rudy Gay, SAC SF, PF I imagine I’ll have several shares of Gay stock with this rank, as his inherent boring-ness is going to be overlooked. Career year in 14-15, big boost in AST, should see another boatload of O with Rondo not doing much shooting.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.825/1.1/19.5/5.6/3.1/1.1/0.7/2.2 :34
32 DeAndre Jordan, LAC C If you’re already FT-punting you don’t care, but 5.7 FT attempted a game is outrageous.  Going to go way, way up as the NBA didn’t change the rules.  Although, you should care a little bit even in FT-punt as it’s so bad for real basketball his minutes are likely going to drop.
Slim’s Projection: .690/.410/0/12.0/14.0/0.8/1.0/2.2/1.3 :34
33 Jeff Teague, ATL PG Only played 30:31 MPG as he has one of the best backup PG behind him to clean up blowout minutes.  I don’t see that changing much.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.850/1.1/17.5/2.5/6.9/1.7/0.4/2.9 :32
34 Derrick Favors, UTA PF, C FG% dropped after Kanter was dealt, will be playing a more mid-range game. Low FT% and blocks not developing into an elite stat keep him a little lower than Slim would like.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.690/0/17.0/8.4/1.5/0.9/1.8/1.8 :32
35 Chris Bosh, MIA PF, C A little risk as he comes off a major health scare, should score a ton of points and keep hitting treys to help his Stl+Blk going down.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.785/1.3/20.0/6.7/2.2/0.8/0.7/2.1 :34
36 LaMarcus Aldridge, SA PF, C Huge hit going to the Spurs – lower minutes, fewer shots, I don’t think we see an expanded 3PTM game…  I’m not risking any higher.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.835/0.4/18.5/9.2/2.1/0.7/1.0/1.5 :32
37 Kevin Love, CLE PF, C Shockingly was 33rd in per-game stats even though he was horrific, and FG%/Pts should rise a tad.  Injury risk/minutes limit early/the fact I don’t really want Love on any teams keep him this low.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.810/2.2/18.0/10.2/2.4/0.7/0.5/1.7 :34
38 Goran Dragic, MIA PG, SG A full offseason to gel with the Heat, got more dimes in Miami, nice out-of-position FG% help a well-rounded PG game.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.790/1.0/17.0/3.5/5.5/1.1/0.2/2.2 :34
39 Nerlens Noel, PHI PF, C From Jan 7 to the final 3 games – 42 game stretch of 11.8/9.0/1.7/2.0/2.3 at 49.7% FG.  If there was no Okafor clogging the paint, would be even higher.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.635/0/11.5/8.8/2.0/1.9/2.0/1.9 :32
40 Reggie Jackson, DET PG, SG I’m suspecting he could be a buzzy draft pick a few spots higher (edit – Yahoo pre-ranks have him 102 – what the hey?!), but his popcorn trip-dub stats get a little overvalued as he is low in 3s and steals with fairly high TO.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.830/1.1/17.5/4.5/8.6/1.0/0.2/3.2 :34
41 Elfrid Payton, ORL PG Final 21:12.4/5.6/8.7/2.4/0.5 with only 2.8 TO and 44.8% FG 58.8% FT.  Even with more touches in that stretch, only 1.9-3.2 FT a game.  Sure he doesn’t hit many treys either, but he can fit a lot of teams in this range.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.575/0.4/11.5/4.8/8.5/2.1/0.4/2.7 :34
42 Al Jefferson, CHA PF, C Fell down to 48th in per-game stats, but a lot had to do with missing 5 MPG with some easing in off injury mixed in there.  Still was able to maintain the blocks, and has a better playmaker in Batum on the wing.  Should have a nice bounce back, health concern keeps him from going higher.
Slim’s Projection: .485/.680/0/17.5/8.6/1.7/0.7/1.3/1.2 :32
43 Kemba Walker, CHA PG Cut the TO to a ridiculously low 1.6 a game, sure it should go back up a tad with a few more minutes, but with the dimes and treys he chips in, can go unloved.  Needs to shoot better than last year (38.5%).
Slim’s Projection: .400/.830/1.5/18.5/3.7/5.4/1.4/0.5/2.0 :36
44 Victor Oladipo, ORL PG, SG Took some convincing from Slim to get him top-50, but should play a ton of minutes and contribute in a lot of areas.  I wish he had a few less TO and wasn’t more a pure-SG, plus I think he’ll be overdrafted with some buzz.  Not a great deep shooter at the eye level (33.9% out there last year even seems high).
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.3/19.0/4.3/4.3/1.8/0.4/2.8 :36
45 Monta Ellis, IND PG, SG Consistency in both stats and staying healthy, his steals can very often be overlooked.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.765/1.1/18.5/2.8/4.2/1.7/0.3/2.6 :34
46 Ricky Rubio, MIN PG This is the last time, Ricky!  Still only 24, I could see some dynamite games with the dimes as he leads an explosive offense with great steals.  Just needs to stay healthy… Gasp…  Rubio… Healthy…
Slim’s Projection: .380/.800/0.7/10.5/4.6/8.9/1.9/0.1/3.0 :32
47 Greg Monroe, MIL PF, C Lack of blocks hurt, but has the whole post to himself for the first time in a while, and finally started making FT at 75% last year.  Should improve in FG% from last year as well.
Slim’s Projection: .505/.745/0/18.0/10.5/2.3/1.2/0.6/2.3 :34
48 Danilo Gallinari, DEN SF Probably my #1 sleeper this year, post-ASB 18.6/4.8/1.9/1.3/0.5 shooting 44.3% from the field, making 2.8 treys, hitting 3.8 FT at 89.1%, and only turning it over 1.3 per.  Still only 27, got the big extension to be ‘the guy’, and there will be less shots from the PG with Mudiay taking over for Lawson.  Upside to be a dynamic all-cat contributor.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.870/2.2/16.5/4.9/2.1/0.9/0.5/1.5 :32
49 Terrence Jones, HOU SF, PF 68th in per-game last year, starting only 24 of 33 games.  As a starter – 13.5/7.6/1.1/0.6/1.8 while shooting 55%, making 0.5 treys, and only 1.3 TO in 29 MPG. Only knock is FT%, but volume is low.  So much upside here.
Slim’s Projection: .515/.625/0.7/13.5/7.8/1.3/0.7/1.7/1.4 :30
50 Kyrie Irving, CLE PG, SG Recovery from the broken kneecap moving very slow, reports had surfaced he could be out until January, but they seem to be refuted now.  Either way, it seems unlikely he’s playing for the first few weeks at the least, with a very tight minutes restriction once he is back.  And even when he does finally suit up, Mo Williams gives the Cavs a much better backup PG to limit Kyrie’s minutes to ease him in.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.865/1.9/20.5/3.2/5.3/1.5/0.3/2.4 :34
51 Trevor Ariza, HOU SG, SF Shot 37% from the field for a little over half of 13-14, but turned it around and adds elite-wing steals to a low-TO game.  A little boring, but solid.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.820/2.3/13.0/5.9/2.7/1.8/0.3/1.7 :36
52 Mike Conley, MEM PG I didn’t realize I was going to be the anti-Conley guy, but the downward trends are enough for me to avoid.  Steals going down, dimes down, starting to miss games… Not buying the ‘playing for a contract’ bounce back narrative.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.830/1.5/16.0/3.0/5.9/1.4/0.2/2.2 :34
53 Karl-Anthony Towns, MIN C Only 21.1 MPG in 39 college games, I’m a little worried about the proverbial rookie wall and the stable of bigs MIN will run through.  Long-term upside is massive, I don’t think we more than scratch the surface in this rookie year. Bennett waived and Pek hurt doesn’t change much for me.  However as preseason opened up, KAT looks unbelievable – clearly the #1 rookie off the board.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.790/0.3/12.0/8.0/1.0/0.7/1.8/1.5 :26
54 Tobias Harris, ORL SF, PF True multi-cat contributor, maybe his best asset is the easy-to-find points, but hits all cats with low TO.  Plays a ton of minutes as well.  Just has to keep the ankles taped up.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.800/1.3/17.0/6.2/1.6/1.0/0.6/1.5 :34
55 Kenneth Faried, DEN PF, C New regime seems to like him, improved the steals and blocks over the second half, and I think we finally see a high MPG for the Manimal.  Manimal unleashed!
Slim’s Projection: .500/.705/0/15.0/9.7/1.2/1.2/1.1/1.9 :30
56 Danny Green, SAS SG, SF Shots/3s to go down, I don’t trust a big minutes increase, and has stretches of invisibility.  It’s his super power!  23rd per-game last year seems mighty unrepeatable with Aldridge.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.840/2.1/11.0/4.4/2.1/1.2/1.0/1.1 :30
57 Brook Lopez, BKN C 24th in per-game, played an amazing second half, but the obvious injury risk doesn’t justify a higher pick.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.810/0/17.5/7.2/0.8/0.5/1.6/1.7 :30
58 Isaiah Thomas, BOS PG There’s no indication if he’s going to start or not, but looks glaring that it will be another minutes crunch.  Still very capable in sub-30 minutes, but I was hoping for a little stronger buzz from the Celtics that he would play a ton.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.860/2.1/17.5/2.2/4.8/0.8/0.1/2.4 :28
59 Jordan Clarkson, LAL PG 15.8/4.2/5.0/1.1/0.2 with 0.9 treys and 84% from the stripe as a starter – but love the mere 2.2 TO leading a horrible team.  I don’t think Russell becomes the main facilitator, Clarkson to give a solid multi-cat line.  Really the only Laker that gets an impact from the playoff schedule, since I have all the others ranked much lower and not relying on them, plus he’s pre-ranked horrifically everywhere – I don’t need to overreach.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.825/1.0/15.5/4.3/5.1/1.1/0.2/2.1 :32
60 Brandon Knight, PHX PG, SG Dropped the TO in PHX, cranked a ton of treys, and while the FG% in his brief stint for the Suns was awful, I think he can gel well with Bledsoe.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.830/2.0/16.0/3.0/4.7/1.2/0.1/2.2 :32
61 Nicolas Batum, CHA SG, SF Horrible shooting pre-ASB, finally found his stroke for 45% post-ASB, and Hornets need another perimeter guy and facilitator.  Should be OK, low upside.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.840/1.6/11.5/5.9/4.8/1.0/0.6/2.0 :34
62 Chandler Parsons, DAL SF, PF Primed for a bigger role in the O, but he’s off arthroscopic knee surgery and has had lingering back issues. Even at this high feels a little risky, but there’s enough upside… Just came out he had a ‘minor hybrid’ microfracture surgery on his knee, and then they like, put in bone marrow to try and regrow cartilage… it’s just all sorta giving me the heebie jeebies. Won’t be ready for camp, and might miss the first few games at this point… At the least…
Slim’s Projection: .470/.735/2.1/16.5/5.3/3.4/1.2/0.4/1.9 :36
63 Khris Middleton, MIL SG, SF 34th in total value last year, after only playing 23 MPG through the first 27 games.  Bucks need O, they need treys, and Jabari will be filtered in slowly.  But as the season wears on, Jabari will work into minutes and they’ll shake-up Giannis at different positions, so could be a 2nd half sell-high.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.860/1.4/13.5/4.3/2.8/1.5/0.1/1.6 :32
64 Dwyane Wade, MIA PG, SG Hopefully this prices me out, but when he’s healthy he should be a top-50 player.  Do I even need to mention why he’s lower then…?
Slim’s Projection: .475/.770/0.4/20.5/3.4/4.1/1.1/0.3/3.0 :32
65 George Hill, IND PG, SG After easing in, Hill was playing at a career-best level in the second half last year.  But now George is back, Monta is brought in, no way we see those post-ASB numbers this year.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.800/1.6/15.0/3.8/4.6/1.0/0.3/1.7 :32
66 Marcin Gortat, WAS C Extremely odd he was 12th in per-game in the second half last year.  12th!  High FG%, started filtering in steals, and the Wiz don’t have any good centers.  I don’t think he gets Valanciunas-ed, and blocks haven’t really trended down in per-36 the past 6 years.  Just needs the run.  UP – Two man game with Wall looks insane in preseason, FG% boost can be overlooked.
Slim’s Projection: .555/.695/0/12.5/8.9/1.2/0.6/1.2/1.2 :30
67 Markieff Morris, PHX PF, C Looks good in preseason and maybe when he’s back in the grind of the season, everything will be right as rain with the relationship with the front office.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.770/0.8/16.0/6.3/2.5/1.2/0.5/2.1 :32
68 Giannis Antetokounmpo, MIL SF, PF Athleticism and highlight-real Inspector Gadget plays seem to make him a tad overrated; treys didn’t develop last year, sub-2 STL+BLK, and 2.1 TO from a wing without doing much else isn’t worth a higher pick to me.  If he didn’t have any upside as a 20-year-old, he’d be even lower.  Upside is already baked in the baklava. Nice to see him hitting 3s in FIBA as well…
Slim’s Projection: .480/.755/0.3/13.5/6.6/2.9/1.1/1.2/2.1 :32
69 Deron Williams, DAL PG Showed in starts last year he can still be usable, although his FG% was sub-40%.  55 starts at 32:53 MPG have me thinking he could hold up most of the year on those kankles.  Kyrie’s injury shed a little more light on a really thin PG draft class this year.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.820/1.5/14.5/3.4/6.8/0.9/0.2/2.6 :32
70 DeMarre Carroll, TOR SF, PF Limited upside over last year for a few more shots and a few more treys, steals and blocks from the wing should translate.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.730/1.9/13.5/5.9/1.8/1.5/0.3/1.2 :34
71 Myles Turner, IND C Really thin big man rotation, he fits an up-tempo style of play, and blocks will no question translate right away.  Also can hit 3s, board, and make his FT – all with low TO.  Just needs the run, Bird, you said it would happen – you better be a man of your word!  Unfortunately it looks like it’ll take a little patience, likely won’t be getting a high-minute consistent role right away.  I’m still landing him where I can.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.785/0.4/11.5/7.5/0.5/0.5/1.8/1.5 :26
72 Tim Duncan, SA PF, C The falling off a cliff hasn’t happened yet, even though everyone has predicted it the past 5 years.  21st in per-game last year, Aldridge and missed games drop him to this point.  I could actually see feeling pretty good lucking into him by the 6th. But already with the worst coach for fantasy, now the Spurs have one of the worst playoff schedules.  Pass.
Slim’s Projection: .505/.735/0/12.5/8.9/2.8/0.6/1.7/1.5 :28
73 Tyson Chandler, PHX C I get the boring-ness, but he’s consistent and I think has a smidge of upside on the high-tempo Suns.
Slim’s Projection: .630/.710/0/10.0/10.5/1.0/0.5/1.1/1.3 :30
74 Gorgui Dieng, MIN PF, C As a starter – 10.8/8.8/2.3/1.1/2.0 hitting 50.8% from the field and 78.1% from the line last year.  But like Towns, the stable of big men is a huge concern, and he only played 28:43 MPG pre-ASB last year.  Even with Pek hurt and Bennett gone, I’m not seeing a huge minutes bump.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.770/0/10.0/8.3/2.1/0.9/1.7/1.7 :28
75 Jonas Valanciunas, TOR C “Valanciunas-ed” is now a term for a player who goes off in the first half only to get limited run in the 2nd, and with the Casey regime still in power, they plan on sitting him late again – even with a newly signed extension.  Per-36s are awesome, if only his per-26s could be the same… We all know he can play, and if everyone knows that then maybe the Raptors will eventually know it…
Slim’s Projection: .550/.790/0/12.5/8.9/0.6/0.4/1.2/1.7 :28
76 Bradley Beal, WAS SG This rank is likely well below ADP, but Beal regressed in several areas last year – mainly in Pts and AST:TO.  Injury concerns with his legs also sink him a bit.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.795/1.9/17.5/3.9/3.6/1.3/0.3/2.1 :36
77 Ty Lawson, HOU PG If he slides this far, I think there’s value.  Main risk is yet another off-the-court incident, but here’s to hoping he can turn his life around.  Should get at least a little run with Harden and the starters, then all the 2nd unit mins.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.770/1.0/13.5/2.6/6.1/1.0/0.1/1.9 :28
78 Nikola Mirotic, CHI SF, PF Per-36s 18.1/8.8/2.1/1.2/1.2 with 2.2 treys and only 1.9 TO in his rookie season, and even though he makes a great fit at the 4 next to aging centers, I don’t think you can approach him valued too much higher, although it’s very likely someone in your draft will reach to try to look like the smartest person in the room.  Bulls 5-game finals week gives him a bump, since it’d be easy to see one of Noah/Gasol hurt at that point.  I still think he’ll go higher in some drafts, but I’m buying into it more and more as the Bulls look like they’re willing to let him run big minutes even with the bad D.  UP – One final boost up, offense needs his spacing and looks assured that starting role, but I do question his defense costing him some minutes at times.
  Slim’s Projection:   .410/.810/1.5/14.5/6.6/1.4/0.7/0.8/1.9 :28
79 Alec Burks, UTA PG, SG Exum injury opens up a huge gap at PG, as Burks should see starting SG minutes and backup PG minutes.  There’s upside in steals as the Jazz are a defensive juggernaut, and a healthy shoulder could translate into a lot more treys.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.785/1.2/16.5/4.3/3.2/1.0/0.2/2.0 :34
80 Robin Lopez, NYK C HE’S AWFUL AT BASKETBALL!  That’s all the blurb he gets.
Slim’s Projection: .540/.780/0/11.5/8.7/1.1/0.3/1.6/1.2 :32
81 DeMar DeRozan, TOR SG, SF Pts is still a category, which is fortunate for DeRozan since he doesn’t do much else.  AST:TO regressed, treys regressed, but maybe some of that had to do with the bad groin injury.  Still worth a fringe top-100 selection.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.830/0.4/22.5/4.4/3.8/1.1/0.3/2.4 :36
82 Kyle Korver, ATL SG, SF Off both ankle and elbow surgeries, it’s tough to see him replicating his ridiculous 3PT% or minutes played. I’ll let someone else grab him, and when the minutes look a little more stable, maybe venture some buy low offers. But for draft day, he’s getting up there in age and off those two surgeries, it just screams STAY AWAY.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.890/2.7/11.5/3.8/2.7/0.7/0.3/1.4 :32
83 Derrick Rose, CHI PG There’s no way I could feel good having Rose on my teams.  Even in his MVP season he wasn’t a fantasy elite, and still projects to have way too many TO and microscopic steals.  Still with a swollen face, this eye injury – while not too impactful on the season – seems to be lowering his ADP and I need my ranks to reflect my avoidance.  Pass.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.820/1.5/18.0/3.3/5.4/0.7/0.3/3.3 :30
84 Thaddeus Young, BKN SF, PF Tough season for the Impaler in 14-15, and it looks like the treys are mostly gone and his FT% became catastrophic.  Come for the out-of-position steals, stay for the nickname.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.665/0.5/14.0/6.1/1.7/1.4/0.3/1.5 :30
85 Joe Johnson, BKN SG, SF Upped his REB and AST last year, while keeping the TO mad low.  With Jack not really a creator or a 3PT shooter, I could see a lot of O running through Johnson’s hands.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.6/14.0/4.1/3.5/0.6/0.2/1.7 :32
86 Jarrett Jack, BKN PG, SG The Pts/Ast should be there, but steals are too low for a G and his FG% too low for not making enough treys.  It should be his show to run, but it’s got a really low ceiling.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.860/0.7/15.5/3.6/6.3/0.9/0.2/3.1 :34
87 Wesley Matthews, DAL SG, SF I didn’t think he’d make it top-100 coming off such a major injury and the Mavs clearly stating they’ll be cautious, but the talent pool is just too thin to not take the flier.  If he lasts this far, you’ll have to exercise patience until the second half.  UP – Great to see him play in the final preseason game, will be on a minutes limit for a while, but likely to contribute right away.
  Slim’s Projection:   .435/.800/2.3/15.0/3.2/2.4/1.0/0.2/1.4 :32
88 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL PF, C Dirk probably has a little better upside than Timmay, but much greater downside. The Germinator took his first step off that cliff, with career-lows virtually across the board when you throw out his rookie season. Played under 30 MPG last year for the first time since his rookie season as well, and while I was already building in another big step back in minutes, the Mavs already publicly saying he’s going to get a lot less I think makes my original thought of 27-28 too high.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.880/1.2/17.0/5.7/1.8/0.5/0.4/1.1 :28
89 Kobe Bryant, LAL SG, SF If this doesn’t price me out, eesh I guess I would have to get Kobe and hope for some sort of rejuvenation.  Crushing FG% and TO drain last year, falling apart physically, and a lot of youth around him that won’t make life easier.  Meh.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.830/1.3/18.0/4.7/4.3/0.9/0.2/2.8 :30
90 Darren Collison, SAC PG George Karl has said Colly and Rondo will play some minutes together, and in a league embracing more and more combo guard sets, he could play more minutes than you’d expect.  Rondo on a 1-year deal could be moved as well.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.815/1.1/15.0/2.9/4.8/1.3/0.2/2.2 :30
91 Aaron Gordon, ORL PF Summer Ball ultimate small-sample 3 games of 21.7/11.7/2.7/1.3/1.7 and hit 6-12 treys.  FT% is a concern, but upside for some great D-stats and a trey or two.  Surprised he hasn’t gotten more buzz, and upside is winning out over some falling vets.  UP – Not a significant rise (4 spots), but just assuring that my flag is on Gordon.  I claim you in the name of JB!  This got a little weird…
  Slim’s Projection:   .455/.580/0.8/11.5/7.5/1.5/0.9/0.9/1.6 :28
92 Joakim Noah, CHI PF, C Likely coming off the bench, and is off career-lows in both FG% and FT%.  But even with Rose back a good chunk of last year, kept the dimes up.  Second unit minutes should still give you nice defensive stats.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.690/0/9.5/9.8/4.4/0.8/1.2/1.8 :30
93 Enes Kanter, OKC C Had a pretty unreal second half after moving to OKC, but a lot of that was due to no Ibaka or Durant.  While a dubdub threat every night with good %s, AST+STL+BLK are likely to combine at under 2.
Slim’s Projection: .520/.780/0/14.0/9.0/0.9/0.4/0.4/1.9 :28
94 C.J. McCollum, POR PG, SG 15.7/3.4/2.4/1.6/0.3 in per-36 last year with 2 treys isn’t exactly teeming with potential superstardom. I’ll likely let someone else overreach.  Preseason play is amping up the buzz; I still worry his AST and STL won’t make him a super value, even if taking a ton of shots and treys.  FG% is a huge red flag; your build will need to support it.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.8/14.0/3.2/2.4/1.4/0.2/1.8 :30
95 Stanley Johnson, DET SF Let’s get some sexy rookie hype!  Put up a gaudy 16.2/6.8/2.0/1.8/1.0 slash in 5 appearances in summer ball, with minimal TO and hitting 57.7% from the field.  Can play multiple positions – initially off the bench – but some saucy upside.  And that upside is now, as he’s tearing up preseason.  Still a rough position though, as Marcus Morris looks good too.  Consistent 6th man minutes should be there though.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.725/0.9/11.0/5.8/1.4/1.2/0.5/1.4 :28
96 Zach Randolph, MEM PF, C Boring, but 1.0 STL was his highest since 09-10 and 48.7 FG% highest since 10-11.  Those aren’t reasons to project upside, but indicate he’s not going to incrementally deteriorate trying to be the same exact player.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.765/0/16.0/10.1/2.0/0.8/0.2/2.2 :32
97 Emmanuel Mudiay, DEN PG %s and TO could be pretty bad as the raw Mudiay is handed the keys, in a MCW-esque way.  But MCW was usable most of his rookie season.  Taking the risk and the dimes at this point.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.575/0.4/14.5/4.6/5.9/1.2/0.3/3.2 :32
98 Michael Carter-Williams, MIL PG Massive drops in REB/AST/3PTM moving to MIL, FG% went up a tad, but the TO were still dramatically too high in lower minutes.  Greivis Vasquez will push for a few extra PG minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.715/0.2/13.5/4.1/5.7/1.7/0.4/3.0 :28
99 Robert Covington, PHI SG, SF In 49 starts last year, 15.2/5.0/1.7/1.6/0.6 with 2.7 treys.  FG% is an issue with how many deep balls he shoots, but should start all year as the starting 3.  Locked in a starting job and on virtually any other team, he’d be higher.  Some Philly risk here since you never know what these schlubs will do.  DOWN – Scary knee injury only ended up being an MCL sprain and bone bruise, with a 2 week timetable.  However, Philly loves to take their time with guys recovering and still aren’t going anywhere.  Really worrying about that timetable and minutes limit when back.
  Slim’s Projection:   .405/.820/2.5/15.0/4.7/1.8/1.4/0.6/2.2 :32
100 Otto Porter, WAS SF 1.6/1.1/0.8 AST/STL/BLK last year in per-36s show some limited upside, but he’s going to play a boatload of minutes.  Worth a shot.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.730/1.1/10.5/6.0/1.4/1.2/0.6/1.2 :32
101 Trey Burke, UTA PG Exum’s torn ACL has given Burke yet another chance, but we haven’t seen him run with a starting PG job yet in his career.  Worth a late round gamble pick.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.780/1.8/12.0/2.4/4.4/1.0/0.2/1.7 :30
102 Rajon Rondo, SAC PG Speaking of worth a shot, I’d be fine with the gamble on Rondo at this point outside the top 100.  Maybe he starts hitting his FT and gets the dimes to come way back, worst case you drop him a few weeks in.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.550/0.3/8.5/4.4/6.7/1.3/0.1/2.8 :28
103 Jusuf Nurkic, DEN C Off-season patella surgery stung, as I was hoping for a big sophomore campaign.  It’ll start slow, but I’ll gamble a later pick and try to hold through his low minutes out of the gate.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.700/0/10.0/8.8/1.2/0.8/1.4/1.6 :26
104 Ersan Ilyasova, DET SF, PF Out of position treys is nice, but I’m not overpaying for pedestrian boards and defensive stats.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.775/1.3/13.5/5.9/1.3/0.7/0.5/1.1 :30
105 Tony Parker, SA PG Dump the ball to Aldridge for a deep mid-range, to Kawhi on a drive or Duncan for a bank shot, it’s a nice combo of teammates to have a solid AST season in 70 games.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.780/0.5/14.0/2.0/5.0/0.5/0.1/2.0 :28
106 D’Angelo Russell, LAL PG TO and rookie inconsistency will be really frustrating, and I see Clarkson being a bigger facilitator.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.760/1.4/13.5/4.4/3.8/1.1/0.2/3.0 :30
107 Wilson Chandler, DEN SG, SF The Nugs paid him to play, but I don’t see much of a change to his 85th in per-game numbers last year,  No Lawson gets negated by Gallo commanding shots a whole year and Mudiay not drawing the same defensive pressure.  Not liking the possibility he comes off the bench at some point this year, but it seems pretty odd they would pay him decent money to be a 6th man, if that…
Slim’s Projection: .425/.770/1.8/14.5/5.8/1.8/0.7/0.4/1.5 :32
108 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, DET SG KCP had a lot of nice signs in the second half – much higher FG%, took more shots inside the stripe by creating his own shot, steals went up, and 1.1 to 1.8 dimes with no change in TO.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.775/1.8/13.0/3.2/1.4/1.2/0.2/1.3 :32
109 Mo Williams, CLE PG, SG Irving’s slow recovery is going to open huge minutes for Mo early, and he’ll even play a pretty substantial role with Kyrie back as backup PG and combo G.  He’s going to contribute more early, but will become a big guy to try and flip, especially to the Kyrie owner if you nab him before Kyrie’s owner can handcuff.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.865/1.4/13.0/2.2/4.8/0.5/0.1/2.3 :26
110 Marcus Smart, BOS PG Boston making him only shoot threes is tanking his FG%, not enough dimes from a PG.  Steals will be nice, but I question the role especially since I’m high on IT2/3…  And well, the Celtics…
Slim’s Projection: .400/.720/1.4/10.0/3.8/3.2/1.9/0.4/1.5 :30
111 Jrue Holiday, NO PG The injury risk is just as high as the 40-year-old vets, I just can’t justify a higher pick even though he’s by far the best per-game player in this range. 15 minutes a game until January… He’s still worth drafting because he can be so good if he can play high-20 minutes after that, but man this is a tough situation to invest in.  UP – Nice to see him top 15 mins already in preseason; it’s a minimal move up, but slightly more optimistic.
  Slim’s Projection:   .440/.815/1.1/14.0/3.5/6.5/1.5/0.4/2.3 :30
112 Roy Hibbert, LAL C Burke and Hibbert have both been failures on the opposite ends of the starting line-up the past few years, but maybe 2nd-half-collapse-Roy can do enough to warrant value this late.  Blocks should be OK again, terrible boards from a guy his size and a bad FG% make him tough to own at times.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.785/0/11.0/7.4/1.2/0.3/1.7/1.8 :28
113 Tyreke Evans, NO PG, SG Can still be useful when Jrue is healthy, popcorn stats are pretty – high TO, low treys, and a scary FT% last year not so much… Jrue’s incredibly terrible hit with how Nawleans plans on using him benefits the Reke.  Possibly losing Norris Cole as well, the amount of rock in Reke’s hand should be crazytown.  DOWN – Eesh, I wish we little a little more info at this point in time, but just had knee surgery and likely to miss a little time.  A long recovery timetable would obviously be a further drop.
  Slim’s Projection:   .440/.745/0.7/16.5/5.2/6.0/1.2/0.5/2.9 :34
114 P.J. Tucker, PHX SG, SF Put up 11.3/7.4/1.5/1.4/0.3 with 1.1 treys post-ASB last year, and has a little additional upside with Kieff possibly forcing his way into a trade. Sneaky value at wing.  DOWN – Looks more and more like Warren is going to get pretty close to Tucker in minutes.  But I’m not moving Warren up much, not the best fantasy skill-set.
  Slim’s Projection:   .440/.745/1.2/11.5/7.1/1.6/1.4/0.3/1.3 :34
115 J.J. Redick, LAC SG Combined AST+STL+BLK last year (2.4) was lower than his 3PTM (2.6)!  I wonder how often that happens for a 30+ MPG player…  Loss of Barnes to low-minutes-Pierce should help solidify a pretty nice run again in 15-16, but his 47.7 FG% likely to go down a tad.  No way he replicates post-ASB numbers and he’s just so damn boring, I want upside and I want to ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .465/.900/2.1/15.0/2.1/1.9/0.5/0.1/1.2 :30
116 Kristaps Porzingis, NYK PF Love Porzingis’s career upside, hate that Phil J has said repeatedly they’ll bring him along slow.  But he just looks gooooood.  And even if it starts slow, can give you a few blocks even in low minutes, and I think he’s just too good to not play much bigger minutes as the season wears on.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.750/0.9/10.0/4.1/0.9/0.6/0.9/1.5 :22
117 John Henson, MIL PF, C 2.0 blocks in only 18:20 MPG last year was crazy talk, and should easily play more this season especially with Jabari coming back slow – there aren’t any other PF options.  When I’m looking for late blocks, I’m always pumped when I can snag Henson late.
Slim’s Projection: .555/.575/0/9.5/6.6/1.3/0.5/2.0/1.6 :24
118 Avery Bradley, BOS PG, SG The only Celtics starter you can really feel good about getting 30+ MPG, he can provide a few late PTS/3PTM/STL to round out your roster.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.795/1.6/14.0/3.3/1.9/1.1/0.2/1.5 :32
119 Jabari Parker, MIL SF, PF The Bucks are making it sound like they’re going to be EXTREMELY cautious with bringing Jabari along from the torn ACL, and I don’t really blame em.  Worth a gamble especially in IL leagues – with only 2-3 bench spots and no IL, he’ll be a tough hold early on.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.730/0.3/11.5/5.4/1.8/0.9/0.3/1.8 :26
120 Jose Calderon, NYK PG Minutes cap at 26-28 hurts, but there’s not much else out there as a late source of AST/3PTM.  Unsexy but I think usable.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.880/1.3/8.0/2.8/4.3/0.6/0.1/1.6 :26
121 Luol Deng, MIA SF, PF A full roster should help Deng be a boring last-roster-spot guy, as the battered up Heat saw Deng have a FG% drop in the second half.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.770/1.0/13.5/5.0/1.8/0.8/0.2/1.5 :32
122 Ryan Anderson, NO PF, C Injuries have taken their toll, but he can light up a ton of treys out-of-position and nab a couple boards.  If we knew he’d be healthy all year, he’d probably be in the top 100.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.860/2.2/14.0/4.9/1.0/0.5/0.3/1.0 :28
123 Marcus Morris, DET SF, PF Likely the starter at SF out of the gate, then swings to some backup PF. Career-bests in Pts/Reb while tying his career mark in treys in 14-15.  Something has to give between Morris/Ily/StanJo, but all 3 look good in preseason and the lesser Morris is worth a look for the upside with your final pick or two.  Stroking some Js in preseason.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.690/1.5/11.5/5.8/2.1/0.9/0.3/1.0 :30
124 Patrick Patterson, TOR PF, C How the Raptors play their big men has been a big topic of discussion in the comments, and while I don’t see Pit-Pat playing huge minutes, I think he gets to 28-29 after 26:20 last year, and he finished top-100 in 9-cat metrics.  He’s a boring, no-upside guy, and not playing great, given it’s early preseason.  Solid glue guy, not someone worth reaching for.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.760/1.3/9.0/5.8/2.1/0.8/0.5/0.8 :28
125 Jahlil Okafor, PHI C Going to be this year’s worst over-drafted player, offers horrible drains on FT% and TO while not blocking any shots. I guess the upside is worth the flier, but I bet he’s going to be a popular drop in standard 9-cat.
Slim’s Projection: .510/.510/0/16.5/8.6/1.5/0.6/0.8/2.4 :32
126 Mason Plumlee, POR PF, C Super-buzzy last year after making team USA and given a role, he nosedived horrifically…  And now he has an even bigger shot!  FT% issues and foul-trouble are still a concern, as is overall consistency.
Slim’s Projection: .610/.535/0/11.5/7.7/1.0/0.9/1.0/1.8 :26
127 Eric Gordon, NO SG I usually avoid Gordon, but if he fell this late I’d be happy.  Still only 26, can hit some treys and get assists that you won’t find with many other players ranked lower, but the obvious injury risk weighs him down.  I think his injury risk keeps him in the same range even with the Jrue news.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.800/1.9/13.0/2.6/3.6/0.8/0.2/2.0 :32
128 Meyers Leonard, POR PF, C Seems to be a popular sleeper candidate, his lack of blocks really hurt.  Nice for the out-of-position treys and boards, but I think his upside is capped by no AST/STL/BLK.  I get the buzz to be even higher, but I still have concerns.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.825/1.3/10.5/7.4/1.0/0.3/0.4/1.1 :26
129 Jeremy Lin, CHA PG, SG MKG injury opens up a lot of minutes, and I think Charlotte would love to see some combo minutes with Kemba. Lin’s game still isn’t the most fantasy-friendly especially when he’s off, but there’s a little upside here for swing guard stats.  Continues to play well this preseason, the minutes should be there.
Slim’s Projection:
130 Ian Mahinmi, IND C Certainly looks like he’s run away with the starting 5 job, but I think his minutes dwindle as the season goes on in favor of Turner.  Worth a final pick if your team needs blocks.  His FT% is close to league-worst though.  UP – I keep ending up with him, even though I slam his real-life game.  He’s especially worth drafting for early-season returns – I bet he out-values Okafor the first month or two.
  Slim’s Projection:    
131 Kevin Martin, MIN SG, SF An extremely team-friendly contract for 16-17 as caps expand, he’s a dynamite trade target.  Worried he becomes a 6th man on a contender for the second half, with even a smaller role as a 6th man in Minny.  He’ll still have value, but eesh.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.890/1.8/18.5/3.2/2.4/0.8/0.1/1.9 :32
132 Arron Afflalo, NYK SG, SF Tough season last year, really disappeared on the Blazers, but the Poppycockers need offense and another point on that triangle to handle a lot of rock.  But a strained hamstring for a veteran…  Yikes.  Not liking how his preseason is going, even though he is back out there.  DOWN – Anddddd, will likely miss the first two weeks, at the least.  Not hoping to own any shares of A-R-Ron.
  Slim’s Projection:   .430/.845/1.7/15.5/3.4/2.2/0.5/0.1/1.7 :34
133 Isaiah Canaan, PHI PG Sometimes it’s all about opportunity…  Wroten and Marshall will miss the beginning of the season, and the Sixers don’t have any healthy bodies other than Canaan, who was awful when given a shot last year.  He’s still fringy in 12ers for sure, but hey for a starting PG, certainly draftable to see what happens…
Slim’s Projection:
134 Zaza Pachulia, DAL C Out-of-position nice AST/FT%, in-position bad boards and blocks.  Could fit a lot of builds as a backend C though…
Slim’s Projection: .460/.770/0/9.0/7.0/2.5/0.9/0.3/1.9 :26
135 Timofey Mozgov, CLE C Healthcare.Mozgov was solid last season, but he plays such low minutes…  He’ll be fine, but offers no upside.
Slim’s Projection: .565/.720/0/10.5/6.8/0.8/0.4/1.2/1.5 :26
136 Dwight Howard, HOU PF, C I’ve utterly ignored him for years now, and nothing changes this season. Off several injuries and a disappearance of blocks.
Slim’s Projection: .580/.535/0/15.5/10.2/1.2/0.7/1.4/2.8 :30
137 Kelly Olynyk, BOS C Slim disagrees with me on this one, but I think Olynyk is the only Boston big worth taking a shot on.  Since he can stretch the floor he can fit small ball line-ups, and as a starter last year, 13 games at 26 minutes per for 11.2/5.8/1.6/1.0/0.5.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.710/1.0/10.0/4.9/1.8/0.9/0.6/1.6 :22
138 Omer Asik, NO PF, C Should give you another season of 25-26 minutes, 8/10 with almost a block.  Meh.
Slim’s Projection: .525/.595/0/7.5/10.0/0.8/0.4/0.7/1.3 :26
139 Zach LaVine, MIN PG Given the starting job, I expect TO to go down from the rookie season starting #s, obviously along with the AST. But has great upside for some scoring, FT volume, and still some usable AST for a SG-type. DOWN – Well, Mitchell giveth and, well, LaVine taketh away. A dreadful preseason and looks like Prince will start at SF with Wiggins at the 2.  Another move down in these final ranks.
  Slim’s Projection:   .430/.845/0.6/8.5/2.3/2.9/0.6/0.1/1.7 :20
140 Nate Robinson, NO PG, SG Welcome to the ranks!  Tyreke injury opens up huge minutes, and he’s 12-team draftable to me.  I would have him a little higher if not this talk of an Ish Smith signing, but I do see big minutes coming for the first two months.  Then it’ll tail off if Reke can get back healthy.  Robinson can chip in a handful of dimes and score, and isn’t very TO-prone.
141 J.R. Smith, CLE SG, SF Never been a Smiff guy, but nice dimes and steals late.  More a streamer though – I think last year’s numbers with the Cavs were high.  UP – Only moving him up a few, and still not a big fan, but LeBron back issues and Love’s injury-history should give Smiff some opportunities at times.  Still better in the streaming class…
  Slim’s Projection:   .415/.760/1.9/11.0/3.2/2.1/1.0/0.2/1.2 :26
142 David West, SA PF I think he gets more run than some (although Slim’s Proj looks right on), as he cleans up with the second unit.  Actually, Slim’s line would make him rank a bit higher than this rank.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.770/0/10.5/6.2/2.8/0.5/0.5/1.4 :26
143 Dennis Schroder, ATL PG In a 10-game 29:13 MPG starting sample – 14.1/3.4/7.7/0.7/0.0.  Teague is usually durable, but I expect them to play more combo G this year as a tandem.  Not a ton more though.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.780/0.8/12.5/2.8/4.9/0.7/0.1/2.1 :26
144 Greivis Vasquez, MIL PG, SG The Twerp got picked up for a lottery-protected first-rounder, but that still ain’t too cheap.  Will challenge MCW for a few minutes, but MCW should be given all the opportunity he can handle.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.810/1.3/9.5/2.4/4.2/0.6/0.1/1.8 :24
145 Courtney Lee, MEM SG, SF Overall rank last year was nice, but he started mad hot from the field.  Will get minutes and 1/2/1 3PTM/AST/STL which is nice this late.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.860/1.1/10.5/2.3/1.9/1.0/0.2/1.0 :30
146 Ben McLemore, SAC SG Shocked me with a solid sophomore season, but I think cedes minutes to Collison and Belinelli off the bench.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.7/12.5/3.2/1.8/1.0/0.2/1.7 :32
147 Willie Cauley-Stein, SAC C Seems most likely to come off the bench behind Kouf or a stretch-4 Gay, but regardless, his defensive stats should be awesome. Bad FT% and low points will be tough, especially in an inconsistent MPG role.  But it does look like he could start and offer just enough minutes to be pretty usable out of the gate if needing blocks and steals.  UP – Karl said he’s starting day 1, and while his O is unrefined, the fact he can chip in a steal a game makes him final roster spot usable.
  Slim’s Projection:   .490/.620/0/8.5/5.8/ 0.8/0.9/1.9/1.0 :26
148 Jae Crowder, BOS SF, PF Boston Clam Crowder got to the Celtics and started with a bang, but ended up pretty ho-hum.  Can give you nice D stats, but Boston’s slim rotations will hurt.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.770/1.1/11.0/5.6/1.6/1.1/0.4/0.9 :28
149 Jared Sullinger, BOS PF, C Slim rotations hurt Sully too, even if he has a slim tummy.  Everyone loves a good weight loss, but I don’t see the minutes Slim does.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.760/0.9/14.0/8.0/2.3/0.8/0.7/1.4 :28
150 Clint Capela, HOU PF, C Any backup to Dwight is worth owning as a handcuff (deja vu!), and should play either way off the pine.  Even as a reserve, should get big swats.  I seem to get him as my last pick for blocks in every draft.
Slim’s Projection: .575/.600/0/7.5/6.8/0.6/0.6/1.4/1.0 :20
151 Kris Humphries, WAS PF, C Looks like he’s the starting stretch-4, and we’ve seen fantasy-usable-ness in his past.  Should at least be in the streaming class early in the year.  Numbers in preseason are pretty yawnstipating.  UP – Finally had a spark late in preseason, and looks assured that starting role. Right on the fringe of draftable as your final pick, but lacks a lot of upside.
  Slim’s Projection:    
152 Dwight Powell, DAL PF A swing-for-the-fences pick, Powell took a bajillion treys in summer ball and looked great for Team Canada. They’re grooming him to be the next Dirk, and he figures to get a lot of rock when playing backup PF/C.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.750/0.7/9.0/5.5/0.9/0.8/0.6/1.1 :24
153 Jerian Grant, NYK PG Fits well as both the 1 and the 2, I just don’t know if he can be a huge NBA contributor just yet.  Vujacic looks to take some wing minutes and Galloway will still be a factor.  This could be a frustrating asset to own in 12ers, if owned at all…
Slim’s Projection: .415/.775/0.8/8.5/2.2/4.1/0.8/0.2/1.7 :24
154 Ed Davis, POR PF, C He seems to be becoming the unpopular big in the Blazers’ mystery rotation, but over his last 54 games – most of last year after getting really inconsistent run early – 9.1/7.9/1.4/0.6/1.3 with virtually no TO and 60% from the field in only 23.7 MPG.  Will likely play more minutes in Portland, and scaling those numbers up will be really interesting. However, not looking like he’s getting the starting role.  Bummer.
Slim’s Projection: .565/.560/0/11.0/7.8/1.4/0.6/1.3/1.0 :28
155 Julius Randle, LAL PF On the outside looking in for a 12 team roster, but sounds like he’ll start.  Limits in FT%, blocks, and TO make him tough to project for big upside.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.675/0/13.5/6.8/1.4/0.6/0.4/2.2 :28
156 Steven Adams, OKC C Slim convinced me on this one – very possible he starts and gets just enough run to be usable even with Kanter around.
Slim’s Projection: .550/.545/0/8.0/7.2/0.8/0.6/1.2/1.2 :24
157 Nemanja Bjelica, MIN PF Played unreal ball in EuroBasket – expected to contribute right away, but is in a crowded mix of wings and bigs. He’s ready to play now if given the run.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.745/0.9/8.5/5.8/1.6/0.6/0.3/0.8 :22
158 Kyle O’Quinn, NYK PF, C He could find himself starting some games at the 4, but either way should pick up solid backup PF/C minutes as they ease Porzingis in.  Expanded 3PT game and a nice FT% has him a very solid per-36 player.  But Porzingis looking this good right away has me downgrading the other 4s they have put together.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.740/0.4/7.5/4.4/1.6/0.7/1.1/1.1 :20
159 T.J. Warren, PHX SF Even if he surprises and beats out Tucker for the starting gig, his fantasy game is still a little limited to PTS…  The battle should go until opening night, I think it’s Tucker, but not a dramatic rise if it’s Warren.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.740/0.1/12.5/3.5/1.1/0.8/0.3/1.4 :26
160 Justin Anderson, DAL SF More wing rookie nookie, Anderson wouldn’t be nearly this high if it weren’t for vets Parsons and Matthews recovering from injuries.  He lost some luster this preseason, especially with Jeremy Evans playing a lot of minutes and John Jenkins looking good as a SG.  Really clouds Anderson’s potential role.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.770/0.9/8.5/3.7/1.3/0.7/0.2/1.4 :24
161 Dion Waiters, OKC SG, SF Will pick up a lot of second unit minutes at wing, and mop up in junk time.  Might not be rosterable all year, but a nice streamer in projected blowout matchups.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.710/0.8/10.5/2.1/2.2/0.9/0.3/1.4 :26
162 David Lee, BOS PF, C Ugh.  Kinda thought he’d fade into obscurity in the PF/C mix in Boston, but he looks good through early preseason and B-rad has praised him.  Still a guy I will clear avoid in 12ers though, I think the valleys will outweigh any peaks.
Slim’s Projection:
163 Gerald Green, MIA SG, SF I think he plays more than Slim does, as I see him at 20 MPG off the bench, then starting on Wade DNP nights.  We all know he can light it up when on, we’ve seen it this preseason that’s for sure!
Slim’s Projection: .410/.815/1.7/10.5/2.4/1.1/0.6/0.2/1.4 :20
164 James Johnson, TOR SF, PF A nightly rainbow line threat even off the bench, we’re still going in with another undefined role.  Nice D stat streamer late in weeks.
Slim’s Projection: .470/.710/0.3/9.5/4.2/1.9/0.9/1.1/1.3 :24
165 Doug McDermott, CHI SF Yes, he looks great, but Tony Snell is going to play for his defense and Dunleavy will be out there eventually halfway through the season.  He’s in the upside fliers range, but I am very unlikely to get him in any 12ers.
Slim’s Projection:
166 Al-Farouq Aminu SF, PF I don’t like his game one bit.  I think he’s benched for buzzier young guys as the season moves on, as they paid him for depth anticipating the cap expansion for next year.  In 22.6 MPG, he’s 6.4/5.3/1.1/1.0/0.6 shooting 43.7% as a starter over his career in 174 games.  The steals are nice, and obviously he was raw in some of those starts, but I don’t have a very opportunistic expectation.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.720/0.6/10.0/7.8/1.6/1.3/0.7/1.4 :30
167 Shabazz Muhammad, MIN SG, SF Like LaVine, a ton of minutes will open up for Shabazz when K-Mart is moved, likely at backup wing.  Great numbers as a starter last year at 15.6/4.9/2.0/0.5/0.4, with 1.1 treys and a nice 2.8-3.4 FT volume.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.730/0.5/13.0/4.1/1.2/0.5/0.2/1.1 :24
168 Nik Stauskas, PHI SG If the Sixers start Wroten, they’ll be in desperate need of Sauce Castillo to bury some treys, and I think his bad FG% last year was in too small a sample/inconsistent PT.  He’s set to be ready for the season, but the leg stress reaction injury can derail a season at any time as we’ve seen with Jrue.  Sauce was never a high-end upside-y kinda guy, so he’s off the radar in 12er drafts now.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.810/1.5/10.0/2.3/1.9/0.5/0.2/1.8 :28
169 Amir Johnson, BOS PF, C Awful rotation and B-Rad runs his bigs thin.  I’ll pass in 12ers.
Slim’s Projection: .565/.645/0.2/10.0/6.8/1.6/0.6/0.9/1.6 :28
170 Jeff Green, MEM SG, SF He may have won back a starting job, but really in any role it’s low-upside with the Grizz.  Starting minutes would have him usable though…
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.1/13.5/4.2/1.8/0.6/0.5/1.3 :30
171 Jerami Grant, PHI SF, PF There’s no way he starts all year, but will be given a shot while Covington is out, and if he’s even just decent, will win himself a consistent role.  Has shown bursts of BLK-a-tude.
172 Bojan Bogdanovic, BKN SG, SF Lost his starting spot to scrubs like Markel Brown and Karasev last year, but is in line to give it a second shot as a starter out of the gate.  ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .460/.820/1.4/10.5/3.1/1.1/0.6/0.1/1.3 :28
173 Patty Mills, SA PG Really struggled off the shoulder surgery last year, should see a bump in minutes with Cojo gone and a better team – starters to sit a good bit.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.840/1.4/9.0/2.1/1.8/0.7/0.1/0.8 :20
174 Lou Williams, LAL PG, SG More ThrAGNOF!  Steals and FT volume are going to go way down, along with a few minutes from last year.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.850/1.7/12.0/1.8/2.1/0.9/0.1/1.4 :24
175 Jordan Hill, IND PF, C Should be able to replicate what he did last year – minus a couple of points – in what was a useful season at times.  Not ‘speeding’ to get him though!  Mahinmi and Turner are the bigs you want in Indy; Hill might be a pretty low-minutes part of the rotation.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.720/0/11.0/7.5/1.3/0.4/0.8/1.4 :24
176 Evan Turner, BOS SG, SF The long-term deal for Crowder clouds the minutes.  PTS/REB/AST stats sometimes get overrated for Turner, who isn’t good anywhere else.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.765/0.3/9.5/5.0/4.9/0.9/0.2/2.3 :28
177 Joffrey Lauvergne, DEN PF, C I guess there’s enough of a shot for early-season production to be on the early-season watch list in 12ers….  But he’s really skinny for a C, even if he’s boarding well in preseason.
Slim’s Projection:
178 Archie Goodwin, PHX PG, SG Likely the main G off the bench, Goodwin finally showed some flashes last year.  Will have some dynamic nights off the pine.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.745/0.6/11.5/3.9/2.4/0.9/0.4/1.9 :24
179 Cory Joseph, SA PG Will see a career-high in minutes as Lowry’s pure backup and some combo G, fantasy upside is limited by low steals and treys.
Slim’s Projection: .475/.785/0.3/8.5/2.8/2.7/0.7/0.2/1.0 :22
180 Donatas Motiejunas, HOU SF, PF He’ll move up a couple if he looks really healthy in pre-season, I worry about the back and don’t think he plays starting C if Dwight gets hurt – I see that for Capela.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.620/0.6/10.0/5.1/1.6/0.6/0.4/1.5 :24
181 Rodney Hood, UTA SG, SF Solid as a fill in last year, going 12.7/2.8/2.4/0.9/0.2 with 1.6 treys in 21 starts, but tough to see a 12-team usable role out of the gate.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.770/1.4/10.0/2.7/2.0/0.7/0.2/1.0 :24
182 Harrison Barnes, GSW SG, SF Yawn.  Played well in real-life terms last year – yet another time share with Iguodala.  No upside.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.725/1.1/10.5/5.3/1.5/0.7/0.2/1.0 :28
183 Tristan Thompson, CLE PF, C To say the Cavs underpaid is an understatement.  Made me poop my underpants.  He’s not an underdog.  If you draft him, your team will go to the undertaker.  You get it….
  Slim’s Projection:   .495/.650/0/8.5/7.4/0.3/0.4/0.6/1.0 :26
184 Paul Pierce, LAC SG, SF Yawn times two.  Should get one last season of nice run with some treys, but you can’t expect a healthy season or big minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.795/1.5/11.5/3.8/1.9/0.6/0.2/1.3 :26
185 Andrew Bogut, GSW C Nice glue guy for defensive stats when healthy, but he’s undraftable since he’s… never healthy.
Slim’s Projection: .535/.545/0/6.0/7.9/2.5/0.5/1.5/1.5 :24
186 Kosta Koufos, SAC PF, C Whether he starts or comes off the bench, he’s a favorite of George Karl and should see 25+ minutes.  Will get plenty of boards and 1.5 blocks in that kind of run.  DOWN – Yeah, I don’t know about that 25+ minutes call anymore – WCS to start and Gay to play some stretch 4, it could be a crunch.
  Slim’s Projection:   .505/.650/0/8.5/7.8/0.7/0.5/1.2/1.2 :26
187 Langston Galloway, NYK PG, SG Nice D-League find for the Knicks, looks to be the odd man out of the Calderon/Grant/Afflalo minutes allocation.  Can still find his was into 1/3/1 3PTM/AST/STL, but this Sasha Vujacic thing is annoying…  Pretty much avoiding all the Knicks guards, although I guess I still see Calderon as a decent late-round flier.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.800/1.0/9.0/3.2/2.6/0.8/0.2/1.0 :24
188 Corey Brewer, HOU SG, SF Steals late, Brewer also showed he can score a little in reduced minutes with a decent perimeter stroke.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.735/0.8/9.5/3.2/1.4/1.2/0.2/1.2 :22
189 Patrick Beverley, HOU PG, SG Originally had him 199, but with PG thin and still a pretty solidified role, can chip in some 3PTM/AST/STL as a streamer or a late pick in deepers that will be overlooked.  Lawson is one final setback away from not playing ever again either.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.780/1.7/8.5/3.2/2.7/1.0/0.3/1.2 :26
190 Gerald Henderson, POR SG, SF Dealing with a congenital hip issue, maybe the Blazers don’t end up starting him after all and go with McCollum. But a few minutes should be there on a team that needs offense.  Hip issue will cost him the beginning of the season, if he can get healthy enough soon enough, can still be OK for deeper leagues.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.810/0.5/12.5/3.6/2.4/0.6/0.3/1.6 :28
191 Frank Kaminsky, CHA C I just don’t see him being a great NBA player, even if the out-of-position 3s will be nice.  I bet he’s a ‘buzzy’ Hornets pick a few rounds earlier.  DOWN – I never liked him, and he looks to be a rotational guy probably behind Cody Zeller.  Offers more upside than Zeller with the possible treys and expanded role as the season moves on.
  Slim’s Projection:   .425/.775/1.2/12.0/6.6/1.1/0.4/0.7/1.5 :28
192 Tony Wroten, PHI PG, SG Wroten is off a partially torn ACL and might not even start when ready… Then there’s the awful %s and TO. I expect him to take less 3s since he’s awful from deep, but then again Noel and Okafor are paint guys for a really weird offensive outlook. Sounds like he’ll be out until at least mid-November, and if the Sixers are serious about him possibly becoming the PG of the future, they have no reason to rush him.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.650/0.8/14.5/2.8/4.9/1.4/0.2/3.3 :28
193 Tony Allen, MEM SG, SF A steals-only specialist, he peaked to 2.0 per last year.  More in the streaming class, but can fit a lot of builds as a last pick. Steals and boringness.  Meh, still usable.
Slim’s Projection: .485/.640/0.1/8.0/4.3/1.5/1.6/0.3/1.3 :26
194 Mario Hezonja, ORL SG Madly over hyped in summer ball, especially in a redraft league context.  Going to be really tough to find minutes, especially with Evan Fournier brought back.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.765/0.9/8.0/2.2/1.0/0.5/0.1/1.2 :18
195 Raul Neto, UTA PG Slim vehemently disagrees, but I think Neto is a solid player and brings the exact opposite as Trey Burke – facilitating and good defense.  They would never start a raw player over Burke who fits that description…  Oh wait, they did it last year!  Deep, deep sleeper.
Slim’s Projection: .385/.700/0.2/4.5/1.0/1.8/0.4/0.1/0.9 :12
196 Bismack Biyombo, TOR C Per-36 blocks are awesome, and in a few more minutes in TOR should get to 1.5-2.0 blocks and have nice boards.  Won’t do much else though…
Slim’s Projection: .510/.575/0/6.0/7.9/0.3/0.3/1.9/1.0 :24
197 Brandan Wright, MEM PF, C Like Aminu I’m going to pull in the numbers as a starter over his career – 54 games of 7.1/3.7/0.5/0.5/1.0.  Not only does he need an injury to the old vets ahead of him, but then he needs to get enough run to do better than that.  And his FG% gets overvalued sometimes as it’s soooooooo low volume.  But he does have a solidified role, and worthy of a rank.
Slim’s Projection: .590/.680/0/8.0/4.2/0.5/0.6/1.1/0.5 :18
198 Jamal Crawford, LAC SG, SF Wherever he lands he’ll play, and will be worth a consistent spot on deep league teams for the treys.  ThrAGNOF!
Slim’s Projection: .400/.875/1.6/12.0/1.8/2.3/0.7/0.1/1.3 :24
199 Jameer Nelson, DEN PG Nelson is going to surprise with his role, as the Nugs signed him for three more years to mentor Mudiay.  When the raw rook is mad cold, Nelson will play big minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.780/1.2/8.0/1.8/3.6/0.6/0.1/1.7 :20
200 Kent Bazemore, ATL SG, SF Two injured vet wings ahead of him (Korver, Thabo), there’s a chance for run here.  Not a good FT shooter, but can hit the D stats pretty well and some dimes.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.605/0.6/5.5/2.8/1.2/0.7/0.3/1.1 :18

Dropped Out:

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, BKN (Looks like he’s going to be really squeezed for minutes)

Josh Smith, LAC (needs injuries, and bad %s/TO in low minutes is no bueno)

Jeremy Lamb, CHA (Minor ankle injury and Lin playing so well boots him from a bigger role)

 

  1. Chris says:
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    If this was 9-cat roto, would you draft Chris Paul over Lebron James due to the high volume low ft% and TOs?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Chris: OH mannnnn that’s tough. I’m expecting a few less TO from LeBron… But yeah I hateeeee the drain guys in roto obviously. Gonna go Paul

      • Chris says:
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        @JB Gilpin:
        Thanks that’s what I was thinking as well. How do you think Jennings is going to impact R-Jax once he comes back? Are the two going to co-exist? If so, would Jennings play PG and R-Jax play SG? That would kill R-Jax’s projected assists if that were the case….

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Chris: Umm they might do a little time together, but BJ is gonna be a swing 6th man. Something ala Lou Williams. Plus they’re going to ease him back. I am not too worried about what BJ does to RJax’s dimes

          • CTMN says:
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            @JB Gilpin: I listened to Stan Van Gundy on a podcast and I’m almost sure Jennings is getting traded.

            • Nick says:
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              @CTMN: good to know someone else listens to Zach Lowe around here. Stan sounded like Johnson could get a lot of min too…… I sure hope that’s the case. Marcus Morris and Ily is about as unsexy as two wings can be.

              • JB Gilpin

                JB Gilpin says:
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                @Nick: Hah those are pretty fugly wings! Yeah i think Johnson is gonna play a ton too, but it might take some easing in

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @CTMN: @Chris: Good point, I know they wanted to, but you never know for sure

  2. Clyde Prompto says:
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    I’m torn because I love Elfrid, but a PG who sucks at FT goes against all of my fantasy beliefs. MY LIFE IS SO HARD.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: Hah well he does suck, but such low volume! It’s so small, kinda like how people sometimes overrate Serge’s FT, since he takes so little at great %

  3. Philzilla says:
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    Gallo will be your downfall. He’s just going to get hurt again.He may be 26 but he has the legs of a 50 year old. I’m not paying 5th round prices for someone who had one or two good months at the end of last season, has significant past injuries, just got paid, and is on a rebuilding team. Any little boo-boo and he’s sitting immediately (A little boo-boo for this guy is best case scenario). I would draft Gallo at 100 maybe, 50 is pushing it. Let’s call it 75 then. Deal.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Philzilla: I don’t know why you’d say he has legs of a 50 year old… Was great last year, even coming off an injury. Now coming in healthy.

      Rebuilding team only helps! More shots, more usage. Totally disagree they’d baby him, they gave him only 2 years at a monster $34 mil I think it was – you don’t baby a 26 year old on a contract like that.

    • Slim

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      @Philzilla: I have a feeling we wont need to draft Gallo this high but I can’t argue with it too much. There are a few guys I would take before him that JB has ranked after but it’s only a couple. Injury history is absolutely his biggest negative for me too.

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        @Slim: Good thing the NBA doesn’t outlaw HGH! Hah, I have no idea if that’s right…

  4. Wen says:
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    I started to follow you guys since last year. You guys are great and I remember that I took your advice to pick up Draymond Green from the waiver wire in the beginning of last season ~ 🙂

    Here are my comments about your top 50 ranks:
    (10) Kawhi Leonard – I do not think he is a top 10 guy, especially after Aldridge goes there. I would at least take the next 4 guys (Klay Thompson, John Wall, Paul Millsap, Draymond Green) over Leonard.
    (21) Andrew Wiggins – This is too high for Wiggins. He was doing well just because after others were hurt. When everyone is healthy, his stats won’t be that good.
    (30) Hassan Whiteside – His AST and STL are too low. I would take (32) DeAndre Jordan or (37) Derrick Favors over Whiteside.
    (41) Reggie Jackson – I think this is high for Reggie, because Jennings is still on the team. It can easily turn to the similar situation between Jennings and D.J. Augustin last season.
    (28) Nikola Vucevic and (48) Greg Monroe – I don’t like Centers who can’t block shots, especially in the top 50. They are so similar to Zach Randolph, that I can draft later with much better price.

    • CTMN says:
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      @Wen: I agree about Kawhi for sure, I’m probably gonna make rankings for myself with at least Wall over Kawhi.

      These guys talked me into Wiggins but I’d probably put him a bit further down, maybe in the 30s. He was still able to do those numbers with Martin in the lineup, Pekovic will be out as usual anyway, KG won’t take shots away at this point in his career, and Rubio is a passer not a scorer anyway so I don’t think Andrew will be affected too badly.

      Agreed on Whiteside, also his ejections and Bosh coming back scares me just a bit. I think they put DeAndre lower cause of the high attempts and low % FTs.

      That’s a good point about Jackson but considering the money Jackson got, I think Jennings is getting traded.

      I don’t like non shot blockers either but Monroe has good steals and Vucevic has at least decent steals for a big man and gets huge pts-rebs to supplement guys like Kawhi or Draymond. Not everyone on the team has to be steals/blks, especially if you get a couple elite guys.

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Wen: @CTMN: Thanks for following man! And thanks for the feedback!

        Kawhi – I think FG% will be a surprise, and the multi-cat with low TO will justify the rank, even though he’s only “elite” in steals.

        Wiggins – Nah, KMart was back for most of that. Pek was hurt, Rubio missed some of the end – everyone else was there. Wiggins had 29 post-ASB games, KMart 21. Kmart played 34 MPG too, so he was out there.

        Whiteside – If full FT punt, then yes DJ. I think you can protect Whiteside. Plus a few more Pts. As starter, Whiteside = 0.6 Stls, Favors last year 0.8 Stls. I don’t see that as a factor. Bosh will only help stretch the floor for some better post opportunities, I don’t see that hurting. Ejections… Meh, I’d be shocked if he has more than one.

        Jackson – Nah he’s the guy, I don’t see Jennings impacting R Jax much, and there’s the high possibility fo a trade. jennings coming off a major injury too, if he stays he will be babied.

        Low-block bigs – Yeah but they help FG%, huge rebounds, and I have to look at metrics player-to-player somewhat. Vuc 22nd per-game last year. Vuc big violume 52-53% FG, Randolph is in the 46 range. As CTMN mentions, they fit with certain builds, Monroe in no way would be my first center.

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          @JB Gilpin: Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Whiteside and Bosh play for some time before the latter had health problems? I believe it was Bosh’s boards that went down when they played together, not Hassan’s, so I won’t worry about Bosh coming back too much.

          I get the feeling that Whiteside can improve his FT. I mean come on, put your place in his position, you got the chance of a lifetime to play in the NBA. You’re on the FT line, all eyes on you, people shouting, the pressure, I think he was just overwhelmed! And I think he has better a stroke than Drummond! Lol! He’ll do better this year!!

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Dante Green: Yup, they had several games together. Hassan I think could shock and get to 60% FT as well. Playing for the biggest %-raise the NBA may ever see! Minimum to maybe over 100 mil!

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              @JB Gilpin: Yea sir… These people don’t have faith in our guys (yours is Rubio) HAH. Yea, I hope he does well! Just play hard on the court, leave ego at home, and….. STOP THROWING ELBOWS AND THE TAKE DOWNS LOL.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @Dante Green: I have more faith in Whiteside though, but Rubio – YOU CAN DO this!

                • Slim

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                  @JB Gilpin: Bigger contract next year, Clarkson or Whiteside? Problem with Whiteside is that there are already a bunch of big contracts on the books for the Heat. Well, Deng will come off but they will try to resign Wade so he finishes his career with one team. I don’t think he wants to be known as a journeyman like LeBron. LeBron burn!!! The Lakers on the other hand will have money to burn. Oh and the Heat is a perfect fit for Whiteside. I would be very surprised if he signs elsewhere.

                  • JB Gilpin

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                    @Slim: I’d say Whiteside, bigger need for big men. You see what Rolo got?! Haha.

                    Blazers. Perfect fit at center, with so much money to use.

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                      @JB Gilpin: Clarkson and Whiteside to DAL?

                    • OldMilwaukeePounders says:
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                      @JB Gilpin: Come on up to Rip City, Hassan!

    • Slim

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      @Wen: I’m 100% with you on Kawhi, Whiteside, and Vuc/Monroe. Wiggins is a bit of a gamble but I’m banking on him being a superstar sooner rather than later. I’m a big Reggie fan and I think he’s infinitely better than Jennings. I’m not too worried about that. Granted Stan Van is a rotation guy. Remember last year Reggie lost a few 4th quarters to Dinwiddie. But with that said Reggie is the man!

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Slim: Reggie lost those minutes early on though right? Then he went on that unreal stretch with 8+ dimes the final 20 games I think. Reggie is gonna be the man there!

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      @Wen: I would take Whiteside over Drummond and Jordan because of how bad Drummond and Jordan shoot free throws.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Mike: Yeah a lot depends on if you’re punting the cat, or what ft shooters you have. Drummond’s low volume can be masked, I don’t think djs can

  5. CTMN says:
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    Have you guys seen the picture of Kyle Lowry going around Twitter/facebook? He looks REALLY slimmed down…like maybe 30 pounds. Might not be relevant to stats but I think it’s a sign he’s focused and in better shape. He’ll be faster but maybe lose some of his bully post game.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @CTMN: Yeah I heard about that, with Kyle O’Quinn oddly… I’m less worried about his actual weight, than the fact there was public strife with the coach already. They just got Cojo, maybe Casey gets mad and runs Cojo more

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        @JB Gilpin: He’s scared he might lose his job to CoJo. LMAO

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Dante Green: He scurrrrrrrrrrrred

      • CTMN says:
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        @JB Gilpin: I’m a Raptors fan and I really like Lowry, and I CAN’T STAND Dwane Casey. He really doesn’t like Lowry, even when Lowry is at his best, and Casey just finds ways not to praise Lowry and stuff. Most of the fans here are really frustrated with Casey so hopefully he’s gone from Toronto sometime soon, but I kinda doubt it. The beat writers are actually saying that Casey might find reasons to play Joseph over Lowry, exactly what you said (I like Joseph too but come on).

        • JB Gilpin

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          @CTMN: Haha we have a lot of Raps fans here at Razzball! Yeah I don’t love the situation there for Lowry, love me some Cojo, but he’s no Lowry. Although if Lowry got hurt or something, Cojo could fit DeRozan pretty well, i.e. DeRozan scores 30 a night hah

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            @JB Gilpin: It’s going to be awesome when the Knicks are fighting for the 8th spot in the East and trade Porzingis for a disgruntled Lowry.

            • Slim

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              @Clyde Prompto: Hehe. Nah Knicks are going to get Jennings for a future pick.

              But for real, Porzingis isn’t going anywhere.

              The problem with CoJo is that he isn’t a volume 3pt shooter like Lowry. CoJo next to DeRozan might lead the league is worst floor spacing. Throw in JV and the defense can almost ignore the 3pt line altogether.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @Clyde Prompto: @Slim: Hah yeah Jennings would be interesting there…

                But yeah, if Prozingis is traded, that would be political suicide for Phil. Fans hated the pick.

                I don’t think the spacing would be thaaaatttt bad. Carroll and Patterson all they do is sit out there for 3s.

  6. aagrant338 says:
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    IN H2h 8-cat, where would you move CP3 and Cousins? who’d you pick first between those two?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @aagrant338: CP3 definitely up, Cuz down. CP3 goes to 5 over LeBron, Cousins to… maybe 12/13 range, but there’d be some shuffling in there. I don’t know if I’d want Wall in 8-cat. Irving and Butler go up a little bit

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Interesting. I would have thought cp3 would move down because TO’s is one of his strengths (and has lower to’s than LeBron), while Cousins would move up because his high TO’s weigh him down in 9-cat.
        Could you elaborate a little bit on this?

        • Slim

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          @aagrant338: I think he might have read that wrong… So does Westbrook/Lillard jump CP3? I say No. Paul is just so reliable. Lillard could wind up being very up and down and Westbrook has alot more mouths to contend with. I don’t think you would be wrong to take either over Paul but I would go with the high end assists still.

          Does Cousins jump the PGs? Tough call. The question I ask myself is how difficult will it be to get the assists and I don’t think it’s that tough at all since there’s a bunch of PGs in the 3rd/4th round we really like. Yeah I like it. Is it enough to pass CP3? Phew. Cousins lines are crazy… yeah screw it Cousins 6th overall in H2H 8cat.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @aagrant338: @Slim: Fffffff, dude I was thinking roto haha. My bad!

            Yes, flip flop the answer. Westbrook DOES jump CP3 for me in 8-cat. Lillard doesn’t. Westbrook’s upside across the board I think is worth the pick over CP3, but close.

            Agree Cuz is mad high. Yeah I think I would go 6th too, rather him over Westbrook

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              a>:@JB Gilpin:
              Ohh so to make it clear: your top 10 in h2h 8cat right now would be ad, some combination of harden/curry/ kd, lebron, dmc at 6? And then westbrook cp3? Thanks for thenclarification guys.
              Would be nice if you two post your top 10 for h2h 8cat daily changes. Which ia more common here in the Philippines anyway and 9cat ppl just usually punt to’s

              • JB Gilpin

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                @aagrant338: Nah I would make a few more tweaks. Harden is a clear #1. Difference of well over 2 TO had me go Brow in a tough H2H 1 v 2. I would go Harden, Brow, Curry, KD, LeBron, DMC, West, Paul.

                Interesting, well we’re ahead of schedule so we might get to some different settings with ranks, but we’ll have a sortable chart with Slim’s proections like we had last year that will help…

                Thanks for the feedback, and for dropping by!

  7. Matty says:
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    Great stuff, JB & Slim. For the most part I agree with the top-50 ranks (+/- a few spots).

    I think a big tie-breaker between similarly ranked guys will be schedule analysis. Talk of no more 4 games in 5 nights should help reduce some of the pure “DNP-old/superstar” rest days, but age, team dominance (i.e. blowout factor), and tough schedule stretches are going to come into play more and more each season. Guys of the Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh vintage who have accumulated a lot of miles are starting to feel like they’re capped at 70-75 games/season even at full health. The Kobes & Duncans aside, I’ll start to shy away from guys like Pau and Big Al in favor of younger alternatives in the same position/ranking area (say Marc and Monroe, respectively) because I feel like they’re going to be less likely to torpedo a week with surprise DNPs over the grind of an 82-game schedule.

    I’m not sure where the age/team/schedule sweetspot is (or if there even is one), but the ability to project who is most vs. least likely to play 75+ games is going to be key IMO.

    Guys like Harden, Brow, Wall are in the primes of their careers, play for good but not dominant teams, and will need to play as much/often as possible throughout the entire season as they’re unlikely to be guaranteed the top conference seed or completely out of playoff contention.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Thanks man, thanks for reading!

      Ah yes, Slim’s infinitely valuable schedule article! Can’t wait for that. Schedule is released mid-August, so that will impact some moves here and there.

      I think 75 games is a great number, but also who will sit in the final weeks of playoffs. Worried a tad on Warriors.

      Agree with those names. Warriors/Hawks/Cavs scare me

  8. CTMN says:
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    I feel like I’m drafting Drummond this year. He’s just soooo good and without Monroe…16 and 15? I know Slim has him at 13.5 rebs but he’s playing next to Ilyasova, why shouldn’t he lead the league in boards when he was already getting 12-13 with Monroe there. I think his offense improves with more spacing, and I love his steals and blocks combo. He’s basically young Dwight. I don’t usually punt but if I dont get a top 3-5 pick or just a great FT guy, I’m taking Drummond second round. Cousins and Drummond together with a late first round pick? Holy ish (Smith). Thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @CTMN: I dunno, 15 is really hard to get. I know DJ did it last year… I think some bad FT nights and foul trouble might cost him getting to 15.

      Holy Ish Smith! Haha. Yeah I can’t dispute that, Drummo at 24 isn’t too far off from say 14th if you wanted to reach, but fits perfectly in line in a 12er with a top 3 pick so I buy that!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        same here, not getting a top 6 pick not good. then picking late at 10-12 is terrible. youre in a big disadvantage already picking late, so going punt ft is the way to go. and in a h2h 9 cat league, punting is almost a must unless you have a top 3 pick this season.

        with that strategy, i recommend punt pts as well with ft. it would be easier to build a team with a realistic chance of winning it all against a team with a top 3 pick. i mean, youre not competing to get a 3rd place finish right.

        • CTMN says:
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          @MAC: Yeah I feel like punting just changes the game completely, because if you have the 12th pick and you pick Drummond, suddenly he’s worth more to you than maybe Kawhi is. I think a Drummond/LeBron, Drummond/Griffin, Drummond/Cousins combo all look really good. I’m not as big a DeAndre fan, I think the Clippers have other options, they may try small ball, and DJ hurts them more cause they’re a good team so they play more games that matter, so even more FTs for DJ.
          With all that said, I’d rather avoid punting if possible, but a top 3 pick is a 1 in 4 chance in a 12 team league.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @MAC: @CTMN: Interesting, I didn’t do too well in redraft, and I’m not a big punter and had all late picks. I will vow to have a punt team this year!

            • CTMN says:
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              @JB Gilpin: It’s fun when you try to punt and win FTs anyway one week by fluke haha

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                @CTMN: Hahaha yeah I could def see that happening here and there

      • CTMN says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Yeah I’m saying pretty much anywhere from 13-18, Drummond may be worth it if I don’t have someone who can give me a huge head start like Harden/Curry/Davis/KD, or even if I DO get a guy like LeBron who’s probably a negative in FTs most weeks anyway.

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          @CTMN:
          Definitely punt ft with lebron. But thats the best case scenario in a punt ft strategy. Youre basically picking 4-6 with lebron. As he complements a punt ft big with the pts and ast. But worst case scenario, picking at 10-12, griffin and drumm is not a bad fallback. Though griffin lack of blks is a big concern. Atleast he now complements it with elite ast for a bgman. Hoping to add more stls with him. But im seriously considering punting pts there as well. A combo of drumm or deandre with draymond there. As draymond compliments them with 3pt ast stls.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @CTMN: @MAC: Yeah 13-18 isn’t far off from my “best in vacuum” 24th rank, which obviously each pick that goes by changes the ranks a tad.

            If you could get Draymond I like those top 3, with Griff/Drumm, but I feel that’s risky. Maybe it won’t be if early ESPN ranks are any indication!

            • CTMN says:
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              @JB Gilpin: Yeah I feel Draymond will be underranked and maybe a 3rd rounder.

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                @CTMN: Eesh let’s hope not! Or, aherm, I guess let’s hope so!

  9. Matty says:
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    I’m curious if there are any team position groupings that you guys are staying clear of entirely because they are so unsettled as far as roles/minutes allocation? Some that come to mind are:

    Boston frontcourt: Zeller, Amir, Sully, Olynyk, Lee
    Chicago frontcourt: Pau, Noah, Taj, Mirotic, Portis
    Lakers backcourt: DeAngelo, Clarkson, Kobe, Swaggy, Sweet Lou
    Milwaukee backcourt: MCW, Greivis, Middleton, Mayo, Bayless (Giannis?)

    There are just some situations that look like an absolute fustercluck, and trying to figure them out by the time most drafts roll around could be a fool’s errand.

    • MAC says:
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      @Matty:
      clarkson and middleton are the only ones there i would consider drafting. clarkson at 6th the earliest and midddleton at 8th.

    • Wen says:
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      @Matty: I am not going to draft any BOS frontcourt, because the coach likes to split the play time among players. Also, I am not touching any LAL backcourt, because Kobe is any PG killer.

      • MAC says:
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        @Wen:
        yeah, bos frontcourt is a mess. Amir is the best there for xur, maybe worth the last pick. He is the best defender and fantasy friendly stat line

        But its a matter of time before kobe is shutdown again. Maybe by january? But yeah, lakers is basically playing for a top 3 pick if im right. And kobe playing gives them the best shot to get that top 3 pick.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: @MAC: @Wen: Defffffinitely with Wen, no BOS front court at all. Maybe a flier in like a 16er taking one of the non-starting once.

      The other ones I would take some, agree Clarkson and Middleton are prob the only guys on those teams. CHI I could see taking any of those top 4 depending on preseason news, but right now only Gasol for me

  10. CTMN says:
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    Are you guys gonna make the tiers by position again like you did last season? That was really helpful for me so I’d definitely use it again.

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      @CTMN:
      Hope they make tiers by position as well. I mean, for me there is basically 3 positions. Pg wing big. And i consider a pg sg eligible as pg like an oladipo, ellis. Wings would be sg sf types. Or sg only, sf only. Though its always better to have position flexibility. Same with bigs.

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        @MAC:
        vry helpful when there is ranking as well. I think yahoo would be open already late august. And its very interesting to the rankings. Schedule of games would be out i think in a week or 2.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @CTMN: @MAC: Yup we’ll have tiers! We’ll have that up once the top 200 is wrapped up. Early September. I will be out of the country coming up here in just over a week!

          Slim does an annual playoff scheduling breakdown, and I will constantly make edits to the ranks. Say like… The Spurs have a 2 game week in the finals, Kawhi is going mad down!

          • CTMN says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Yeah I followed last year at the beginning of the season too. Playoff schedule and tiers are especially important and useful. Good to find out, thanks

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              @CTMN: Yessir, thanks for the feedback those are useful!

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        @MAC: I like to shift guys up a position (PG to SG, etc.), for the extra asts/stls/3s so sometimes I consider guys like Curry a SG and Harden a SF when I’m thinking about where I can fit them.

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          @CTMN:
          yup, thats what i mean. but basically, i consider 3 positions pg wing big. it definitely helps if a player is eligible for multiple positions. like if u have a wing like harden that has big ast for the wing position is a big advantage. or griffin for a big. or a big that shoots 3s like draymond.

          in a standard 12 team h2h 9 cat, ideally i would like to have 5 bigs 4 wings 4 pg. with 1 big that shoots 3s.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @CTMN: @MAC: Oh for sure! Last year, SG was really really thin. Made Curry and Beard even more attractive picks to fit into SG.

            Usually yahoo has 2 per player, cometimes even 3, so it makes position scarcity a very minimal factor. Also with all these blockers now, it makes C deeper.

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            @JB Gilpin: @MAC: Yeah I do the same, PG/wings/bigs. Its really more like how basketball is, wings are mostly interchangeable with each other and same witg bigs. I think the same way about how many of each I want, 4 PG 4 wings 5 bigs, and I like having one big that also has SF eligibility (but it doesnt really matter, just for OCD purposes). The bigs who can get guard stats and guards with big man stats are huge.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @CTMN: Yup for sure, I like that yahoo keeps it open. At least, more so than ESPN typically.

              For sure, love having the guys that get out-of-position stats, I think that’s why I like balanced teams more than punt!

  11. MAC says:
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    razzup brahs?!!! for the first 4 rounds, since uve just got top 50, assuming youre picking 11 or 12, with the top 10 all taken (wall being number 10 for me), what would be your combo for the first 2 picks, and basically ur top 4. and what would be your strategy? (like punting) 12 team h2h 9 cat.

    im convinced right now on punting ft with pts as well to even have a realistic chance of winning the league since u already have a big disadvantage not having a top 3-6 pick. so going drumm and deandre for pick 12 and 13, then maybe get any combination of the 3 of lowry, teague, and hayward at 36-37. then going pgs and wings as well at 60-61. basically targeting ast, stl 3pt with those next 4 picks, with reb blk fg pretty much set with the double D monstars.

    its either im crazy or im very smart with that strategy picking last.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @MAC: Razzup man!

      Well DeAndre isn’t in my convo. I’m worried the Clippers have to take him out at times. Drumm makes sense, but I would need someone else. Drumm Gobert I like more. Punt Pts and FT. But man Kawhi Klay isn’t too bad a start, then Whiteside and hope Bledsoe? Kawhi Klay take out Bledsoe’s TO and Whiteside’s FT. Then hope 5th/6th you can get Rubio in there -Whiteside helping FG% woes. Mmmm, I’d kinda like that team, I love my balance though!

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      @MAC: I might do that if I have a low pick, like we were saying earlier. Only thing there is that Hayward might not fall that low, and also some of his value is in ft% and pts (which may not matter). Those other guys are all realistic and smart picks. I was lucky to get #1 pick last year, which means odds are I get a bad one this year. The later the pick, the more strategy becomes important!

      • JB Gilpin

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        @CTMN: Agree with that! I think a late pick I need to do more punts in redraft, if I get late picks in RCLs.

    • MAC says:
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      @MAC:
      i think deandres numbr are repeatable, but there is some risk with clippers deeper and in for some blow outs. so minutes might go down. but other than that, i think they didnt pay him just to sit him. id still go deandre over gobert in a punt ft build. but if not definitely gobert.

      i dont know razzman, kawhi doesnt seem to be a first rounder to me. if its a roto league, no question hes a first rounder. as for klay, the stats he gives you are easy to stream. being 3pt and pts. i know u dont punt, but in a h2h league it just takes 5 cats to win in the playoffs. and basically, if u win 5-4 each week, big chance ur in the playoffs. i always punt a cat, with ft being my favorite cat to punt. with punting, you basically be dominant in 4-5 cats, then be solid in 3-4 cats.

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        @MAC: Well of course he’s not going to sit and turn into 26 MPG, but if he’s missing every FT… Some sub 30s in there? I could see 32 per.

        Whoa, you don’t have to tell me twice on Klay! I was hating on him all until mid last year! He is doing 3s and Pts at elite levels, but you can’t forget he does it while actually helping FG% and filteing in the steals and blocks, with no TO. Problem is you have to make the playoffs! I usually punt TO technically, I like a lot of PG and a lot of usage, plus I stream a lot. So TO is usually a stat I use because I tend to out-minutes everyone

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          @JB Gilpin:
          yeah, i definitely see deandre minutes go down.

          haha! i still dont like klay at where hes ranked. id rather get a big or a pg there. but yeah, klay doesnt hurt in any stats except boards. maybe more of a roto guy like kawhi.

          punt is a must with late picks. looking forward on your combo picks, also with schedule coming in a few days, tiers for each position as well. we just have to wait for yahoo rankings

          • JB Gilpin

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            @MAC: Yeah both are even higher in Roto. Over Cousins. Maybe both over Westbrook.

            I’m still on the fence on if “a must”. I probably couldn’t answer unless I played in 20 leagues haha

    • MAC says:
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      @MAC:
      ideally, i would prefer lowry and teague in that 36-37 range, but i think hayward is not a bad alternative. if he is available, which is i think a big chance happening as people again would go for the big names like melo, gay, george in that range. he gives you above avg asst for his position, and 3pt and stls as well. and should not hurt you much with fg and to.

      yeah, how bout lets go further at 7 and 8. in that range of 84-85 i think tjones is possible there, and a wing like danny green? hehe. so basically, after the 2 bigs, you go 3 pg 1 wing the next 4 picks. then a 3rd big which im hoping tjones at 7 and another wing sniper there at 8. so your dominant at reb blk, above avg at fg asst stl , then maybe solid at 3pt and to.

      yeah, last year i picked 11. went with griffin drumm combo. then conley, ellis, holiday the next 3 then ariza as my 6th rounder. haha. though i did get draymond at 9th round. neutralizing my bust picks of tjones rjax as my 7-8 picks. hehe. finished 3rd place last season after back to back championships 2 seasons b4. all with punt ft strat. haha!

      so hopefully, this season i pick top 3. haha

      • JB Gilpin

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        @MAC: Let’s hope they’re both there! I have TJones 51 and Green 60ish. Would love those in the 80s!

        Nice work on your finishes! At least Rjax gave you a month of awesome early, then a final 6 weeks. Hopefully you held him the whole time! Yeah I better get some early picks this yr…

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          @JB Gilpin:
          yeah men! yahoo messes up their rankings. hope its still the same.

          you guys definitely helped me with those finishes. hehe. nah, great first month for rjax. but dropped him around january. haha

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            @MAC: Hah you they will again.

            Ugh yeah couldnt fault that Rjax drop, I probably said the same thing since a trade didn’t seem for sure.

  12. Matty says:
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    I guess my strategy differs somewhat since my preferred format is 8-cat, full-season, cumulative roto. It has weekly lineup locks but no H2H matchups. In this format it has served me well to build a balanced roster early in the draft and then identifying areas of weakness starting about round 8-10 (16 rounds total). From there it’s pretty easy to pick and choose “specialists” to compensate for shortcomings resulting from the top half of my draft. And very often the last half dozen picks are swapped out via the waiver wire for guys that have favorable schedule stretches or new avenues to big minutes.

    For the season-long cumulative format you have to be competitive and well positioned in just about all categories and then you can chase rankings points for the last month by hitting the WW hard. It really minimizes the impact of your top picks having poor “playoffs” schedules because there are no playoffs – just the home stretch.

    It’s a great format and eliminates any week-to-week bad beats where someone gets lucky and steals a category because of a surprise DNP, a Whitesideian 8 block game, a JR Smithian 10 3PM game or something.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Oh yeah, in roto especially 8 cat, you can’t punt anything and you HAVE to have low TO. One bad category and you’re at such a disadvantage.

      Yup, playoff sched doesn’t matter in roto. The only thing I would look at with scheduling is if an aging vet has a ton of late back-to-backs, but even then it’s minimal.

      I personally like H2H because I love the team format and being able to target stats in streaming. It fits much better than baseball H2H, where those flukes are flukier and baseball doesn’t have a “team strategy” in fantasy really…

  13. Matty says:
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    JB & Slim – I’m sure you fellas have your lineup of articles you’re looking forward to pumping out this summer and early-fall, but I have a request/idea: Could you guys give some thoughts on the concept of handcuffing in fantasy basketball?

    Obviously this has been a much talked about drafting tactic in football, but I’ve rarely seen the merits of a handcuffing strategy discussed when it comes to roundball. Is it a good way to spend a late round pick if you land the incumbent starter early in your draft?

    There are some interesting opportunities this year with talented backups playing in fantasy friendly situations behind starters with some injury/job security concerns:

    Raptors PG: CoJo behind Lowry
    Bulls PG: Brooks behind DRose
    Spurs PG: Mills(McCallum?) behind Parker
    Heat SG: Gerald Green behind Wade
    Rockets C: Capela behind Dwight
    Hawks C: Splitter behind Horford
    Nets C: Bargs behind BroLo
    Cavs PG: Mo behind Kyrie

    I’m sure there are more, but those are some that have jumped out to me as a “might be worth a late-round flier/insurance policy if I spend a top 60-80 pick on the starter”.

    Anyways, just a thought as something I’d be interested in seeing discussed…even if you’re totally against the idea. Cheers.

    • Wen says:
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      @Matty: The best handcuff that I did last season was J.J. Redick and Jamal Crawford. These 2 guys at least give me major boost for FT% and 3PTM every week. Also, more than 90% of the time if one of them does not do well, the other will sure do well.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Hmmmm interesting! With the ranks cranking out, I might have a chance to try and tackle that one. A lot depends on bench edepth obviously. Standard leagues only have 3 bench spots if memory serves in Yahoo. So not much handcuffing there.

      Of those, I don’t know if 12-teamers with only 3 bench spots, any of those are worth drafting. Capela and Green are close. Mo is close. Actually I could see gettin Mo depending on how Kyrie is doing heading into the year – he could be on a minutes limit.

      Not totally against! Just usually not worth grabbing one of those guys than an upside guy late, i.e. Stanley Johnson or someone like that.

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        @JB Gilpin: Alright, sounds good man.

        I wish there was some way to get data on late-round picks and how quickly they are dropped for the waiver wire flavor-du-jour. It would lend credence to the “handcuffing is a legitimate draft strategy” theory as you might as well buy an insurance policy on one of your top guys if you’re statistically likely to turnover your late draft picks early in the season anyways. Eg. – If DRose does DRosey things and blows out a knee two weeks in, you’re going to be a lot happier if you burned a last round pick on Aaron Brooks and don’t have to spend your waiver dollars or lose out to a higher priority owner if others place a bid on him.

        Might not be worth an entire article though. As you mentioned, there’s probably only a handful or so of situations where the backup’s production could replace, say, 80% of the starter’s if said backup was thrust into a lead role. If you can predict when and where that’s going to happen (HIGHLY unlikely), you’d be golden. But you’re just as likely to feel like a fully insured driver does after an accident-free year: “Hey, look at the investment I made into insurance and I have exactly nothing to show for it.” Akin to burning money (i.e a draft pick).

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Matty: That would be interesting, but so much variance to that data. I think it’s impossible to know for the most part, just playing odds. Obviously Rose’s odds to get hurt is higher, but then the opportunity cost is the odds a guy with a better outlook to start the year pans out.

          Hah well even with insurance, I prefer to have nothing to show for it!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Wen: Yeah those two were both worth drafting. I’ll have to give this some more thought, maybe Teague +Schroder is worth it in a [email protected]Matty:

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        @JB Gilpin: Terrence Jones and Motiejunas!

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          @CTMN: Ummmm, I dunno about D Mo since he’s off back surgery, but if he’s looking healthy, that’s a good one!

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            @JB Gilpin: Jones is def a good one though and Motiejunas can play if hes healthy and Jones isnt.

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              @CTMN: For sure, both have some injury question marks. I guess that indeed helps the argument. I just have some good faith for my boy Tjones

  14. Woo says:
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    Lillard/Favors (with pick no. 7-8), or Gobert(Drumm)/Bledsoe (Hayward) (w/ pick 10-15)
    20 team h2h w/ of rbs, dd, td, ppm, draft – snake

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Woo: Hmmmm… I def prefer the higher pick in 20 team. Although Gobert is a monster in that format. Lillard kills ppm (points per mins right? – just clarifiying!) but man Gobert should kill those boards. Plus the extra stats hide Bledsoe’s TO. Kinda leaning Gobert/Bledsoe to be honest

  15. Nick H says:
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    8- person league – 8 Categories- H2H .

    I have 1st pick, so obviously I am locking down Davis. I want to expand on solid %’s, Reb’s, Stl;s, and Blocks.

    What would you do with the 16th,17th, and 32, 33 Pick?

    Im leaning to getting Jimmy Butler, then maybe Millsap/Blake/LA

    Then Im not really sure. Probably snag Bosh in 33 pick. Any advice?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nick H: Cool, well just to throw it out there – I think Harden takes #1 in 8-cat. Eliminating the difference of TO is a big change.

      Def not going LA. Blake I think I would take over Butler in 8-cat. I have them back to back, but I like Butler’s lower TO for 9-cat. Blake would be a solid pick. If Bledsoe is still there 33, I think he’s going to be dynamite in 8-cat. Eliminates his TO. Bosh I have 33, but I bet he’s closer to 40-45 in 8 cat, another guy with a great TO rate for 9 cat.

      I would certainly try to get a PG by that 3rd pick.

      Hope that helps!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        Yea but I was planning on probably tanking 3’s category. That is why I decided going with Davis at #1 would be best to get those Blocks , Reb’s and FG’s that I could pair with another big..like maybe a late snag on Marc Gasol or Milsap with the 16th or 17th pick? I honestly have a bias against Blake considering his FT % and his position next to DeAndre to have to share reb’s.

        Butler also slides into SG/SF position I believe. I feel after there is shortage in the SF position. Its like Durant, Lebron, then Kawhi a notch below them… then a sharp drop of to like Rudy Gay (with the unknown question mark on Paul George). So that’s kinda why I lean to butler? but not sure with new coach and system and healthy rose.

        Bledsoe was definitely someone I was looking to get in that 2nd tier pool of Pg’s. I figured maybe a late late Kobe snag could Darkhorse me to solidify the Pt’s category.

        Just some ideas out there. I enjoy discussing them with someone not in my league .

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Nick H: Ah gotcha, yeah theyre so close that neither is a wrong answer at #1.

          True on both for Blake, but his FT% has been better. I think he bested Millsap in FT last year. Gasol feels a smidge reachy, but following that strategy he’d be a good fit.

          For sure Butler should be both in any leagues. Just a big part of his value for me is low TO rate for 9cat, so that’s taken away.

          Yeah Kobe late (at least 80ish!) would be fine. DeRozan is a good later one too.

          Of course man, drop by any time!

          • Nick H says:
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            @JB Gilpin:

            Knowing my league and the under appreciation for Kawhi, I have a good feeling he could fall to me exactly at 16. What do you think of of a Davis and Kawhi combo?

            If that could be pulled off. what do you do with the next couple picks

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Nick H: Sorry just now saw this! Crazy couple of weeks until I’m back… Lovvvve the Davis Kawhi combo. Def going PG, I think Bledsoe would be money. Then maybe a Rubio type, although my love for Rubio only has one year left if he doesnt play well

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                @JB Gilpin:
                Bledsoe is on my radar. Im shooting for Davis 1st, Kawhi/Kyrie/Butler 2nd and 3rd. And bledsoe if they are off the table.

                I really wanna lock up big man stats, so im not too sure who to pair up with anthony. Whitside> GOulbert?…

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Nick Hansen: Nahhhh def like Gobert more. I’d argue more upside in all cats, except maybe PTS. Gobert I have as a strong 2nd rounder

  16. Matty says:
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    Barring additions/changes to the Wizards frontcourt, I think Gortat needs a bump up closer to BroLo territory (close to top-60). The cupboard is bare in WAS as far as bigs are concerned. Nene is really the only other capable PF/C now that Seraphin is gone. Blair, Hump, Gooden – all are “just ok” in very limited roles. The Polish Hammer is going to see a lot of run (I’d guess back up closer to the 33MPG he saw in 2013) and he’s been durable (81 & 82 GP in two seasons with the Wiz). I can see him going 14 & 9 with .550 FG%, .700 FT% (not terrible from the true C spot), and a combined 2.0 Blks/Stls. Throw in a roughly even 1.5:1.5 assist:TO ratio and you’ve got yourself a really nice season-long asset on a very competitive, but non-elite team. I don’t think MG is a high DNP-rest risk as the Wizards aren’t quite good enough to run away with their division (Hawks) or conference (Cavs/Hawks/Bulls/Raps).

    • Slim

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      @Matty: At 31 I’m not sure he has more than 30 minutes a night left in him. JB says something about blocks not falling but the last 2 years were career lows in per-36, besides his rookie year. I think those continue to drop as he’s easily 3-4 years past his prime. He was 14.5 PPG in per-36 the last 2 years, maybe he gets more attempts but I’m not entirely convinced. I think we see more small ball out of Washington this year which should help to keep Gortat in that 30 min range. Last thing, granted it was against good competition but his playoff numbers were 12.4/8.8 and 1.1 blocks in 30.7 min. So even in the most important games of the season he still marginally eclipsed 30 min. I think the only thing keeping him so high in the ranks as is is his durability which at 31 years old isn’t something I find particularly trustworthy. I think he’s ok in that 75-80 range (7th round in a 12er) but I’m sure I’ll be passing on him for more upside.

      • Matty says:
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        @Slim: You could be right about the Wiz going more small ball, but I just don’t think they have the horses in the stable to do it. Especially with as fragile as Nene has been (missed at least 15 games each of last four years). Humphries is their next best “big” and I suppose he could play the 5 for 15 minutes a night, but there just isn’t anyone else.

        Perhaps my being bullish on Gortat is due to what I envision my roster construction to look like…and I just think he’s a rock solid pairing with one of the high upside young Cs that I’m likely to land earlier in drafts – the Gobert/Whiteside/Drummond/Nerlens types.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @Matty: past 5 years 1.6 -1.7 – 1.9 – 1.6 – 1.6. I don’t really consider that “falling”, I think that’s maintaining. Sure he was over 2 a game in per-36s early in Orlando, but those were in sub-15 MPG stints against backups in scrub time.

          That said, I don’t think any of us are far off, except Slim hates the Gortat family. haha.

          Slim fought me and got me to drop him a tad, I do kinda agree small ball is a slight risk, just against certain lineups

  17. Eric B says:
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    I do love me some round ball JB, if you have any leagues that need a playa then dont forget to shoot me an invite.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Eric B: For sure man will do! We’ll be launching as soon as Yahoo Basketball opens up, unless that happens within the next week, since I’ll be doing nothing but sipping drinks on the beach my man!

      • Eric B says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Ha, hope you’re enjoying the honeymoon and congrats again!

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Eric B: Thanks man! Back now, and we’ll be launching probably Monday. I’ll shoot an invite man!

  18. jcg says:
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    Nice list! I have to decide between keeping Paul George, Gobert or Mirotic. Leaning Gobert, no Mirotic in the top 100?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jcg: Yeah the more I’ve thought on mirotic the closer he gets to 101, and might get a good bit higher. They’ve “said” Noah might come off the bench, but until we know for sure, Mirotic is still in a tough spot on the depth chart with Noah, Gasol, and Gibson all there. I don’t think they start Gibson next to Gasol so I guess that means Mirotic could start, but we’ll see. Upside is definitely there, don’t love the situation. Oh and Gobert is the keep, fa sho!

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        @JB Gilpin: That Chicago frontcourt situation is a bit of a mess and could be in flux early in the season as far as minutes, roles (starter vs. bench), etc. Especially considering it’s a new coach and system. I think you have to pair Gasol with one of Noah/Taj and then Mirotic with the other one for offensive and defensive purposes. Pau is an awful defender (don’t let the block numbers fool you) and needs a Noah/Taj on the backend with him so the Bulls don’t get exposed. Obviously Mirotic excels more on the offensive end as well, so it just doesn’t make any sense to have much overlap with him and Gasol…unless it’s in a big lineup with Nikola at the 3.

        I’m not sure what Hoiberg’s plans are as far as getting the rookie (Portis) some run as well or if he’ll be at the end of the bench and only see time in blowouts or as an injury fill-in. McDermott is also lingering and will be vying for some minutes in smaller rotations.

        My best guess for minutes/rotation, assuming all are healthy/available, would be:

        Starters – Noah (28), Pau (30), Dunleavy (28), Butler (34), Rose (32)
        Bench – Taj (22), Mirotic (28), McDermott (14), Hinrich, (10) Brooks (14)

        Personally I’ll be going all-in on Jimmy Buckets and avoiding pretty much all other Bulls. I think Jimmy’s minutes come down, but pace and efficiency go up, and hopefully he can avoid some of the nagging injuries that he dealt with last year. I also love hearing him talk about viewing himself as a PG which suggests to me he could play some lead guard and pilot what should be a very good offense.

        That frontcourt situation is nearly as congested as the Celtics’ and I just think there are better bigs to target who have a more direct avenue to minutes and opportunity.

        • Slim

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          @Matty: Interesting min projections. I’m not so sure I would put Mirotic minutes so high, esp with everyone healthy. Noah+Pau+Taj+Mirotic is 108 min and there’s only 96 for PF/C. So you have Mirotic playing nearly half his min at the 3 and all of McDermotts at the 3. Yeah it’s a situation I want very little to do with. I guess I’ll take a late flier on Mirotic since he should at least be playable until one of those older guys goes down, but it would have to be pretty late in the draft.

          I’m with you. Butler is the only one but I kind of doubt I take a wing in the 2nd round. I have a feeling I’m going to be locked into taking a big in the 2nd.

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            @Slim: Yeah, I can see Mirotic playing a lot of his minutes at the 3 just because of that logjam of talented bigs that Hoiberg is going to want to find minutes for. And also because it’s arguably the Bulls’ weakest position. Dunleavy and McDermott are serviceable players, they can space the floor with their range, but neither is “feared” like I think Mirotic is quickly becoming as an outside shooter. And so long as you have a rim protecting big at the 5 you can make up for the lack of footspeed of Mirotic guarding a wing.

            Re: Jimmy – I think I would rather have a Cousins/Butler combo than a Westbrook/Gobert if picking in that 8/9 range. It would force you to hunt assists a bit in the next couple rounds but you’ve got options there in Lowry/Teague/Elfrid/Reggie/Rubio. Lots of different ways to build a quality team, but Jimmy is a guy I’m targeting this year as a likely “best player available” in the early/middle area of the second round. I’d actually take him before either of the second tier GSW guys (Klay & Draymond), but I’m no doubt in the minority on that one.

            • MAC says:
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              @Matty:
              i would stay away as well with chicagos frontcourt. even with the bulls having a 4 4 5 playoff sched. with gasols price tag probably at the 20-30 range, i would rather have one of the young elite punt ft bigs of drummond, jordan, gobert.

              same here, id definitely get a big with my 2nd pick. and i have my eye on drummond this season.

              yow slim, if picking 11-12 right now, who would you pick as your first pick with top ten already taken (harden, curry, davis, lbj, cp3, kd, westy, cousins, wall, lillard). and who do you got in mind as your next 3 picks?

              as im saying, im bullish on drummond with my second pick, and its hard right now to pick my first rounder. would you pick irving? nyc playoff sched, but an obvious injury risk. though, he would be the last elite pg on the board. griffin? good pairing with drumm in a punt ft build, but blks is a concern as a big. or go all out punt ft with pts and go dj or gobert or even draymond to pair with drumm.

              • Slim

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                @MAC: I put a little thought to it and all my favorite combinations had Milsap in them. Kawhi and Klay aren’t for me. With Draymond, Gobert, or Drummond would be my preference. Then at 36ish I would probably look to go PG/PG. Reggie and Dragic would be nice. Then at 60ish probably PG/Big again. Maybe Clarkson with Terrence Jones or Faried. Or obviously Elfrid if he falls. I’d feel pretty good about that. Need some 3s but that’s what the wings are for.

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                  @Slim:
                  WOW! haha! we basically have the same thinking. locking in as well on tjones at that 6th pick, and yeah, basically going pg and bigs first 6 rounds.

                  i do like millsap as well, but with that playoff sched of atl, id definitely go draymond over him. though, i dont like taking dray2 at 11, i mean he would definitely be undervalued in drafts, and there might even be a slight chance he would still be there at 30s. anyway, right now im looking at kyrie at 11 then drumm at 14, then a combo of favors and dragic at the next picks.

                  millsap drumm jackson dragic or irving drumm favors dragic? then again, im locking in as well tjones as my 6th pick with maybe conley, knight or clarkson there.

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                  @Slim:
                  same here, kawhi and klay are not for me. so, i would basically pass on draymond as well that high hoping he falls. as much as i dont like injury prone players, at pick 11 im kinda leaning right now at kyrie. i mean, with cleveland good playoff sched, and the drop off from him to the next pg on board, i like kyrie this year.

                  i kinda hesitate to go big big as well. though millsap and draymond combo is sick, i see drummond having a career year this season with the contract and no monroe. and i think your projection of his boards is kinda his floor, i expect him to improve on that. 14 i think is his floor with no monroe. fg should go up as well at least at 55%.

                  • JB Gilpin

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                    @MAC: Mmmmmm I’m back baby! Tjones is gonna have some mad sexy sleeper appeal, which is interesting because I think he went through this same thing last year. Pre-rank 100s some places, got buzzy into the 50s.

                    Kyrie scares me too much, I might drop him more. As I wrote almost a month ago, I think his mins are going to plummet, and they recently said as much. Plus Mo Williams is gonna play the scrubby minutes.I like the Millsap one better.

                    14 REB as a floor for Drum? It’s hard to get to 14, especially for a guy who has had foul trouble. Sure the per-36s took a nice jump last year. I would take the over on 14, but I could see it staying 13s.

                    A lot to catch up on, but good to see ya, I’m back in town!

  19. tromba says:
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    Standard 9-cat H2H, 14-teams with 11 on the roster. Out of these, who is the best to pair with Cousins?
    Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol, Rudy Gobert, Gordon Hayward, Serge Ibaka, Draymond Green

    This will be a keeper pick into ’16-17, alongside Cousins

    • Slim

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      @tromba: I’m throwing out the Gasol bros in a keeper. Wow… I could make an argument for any of them. I guess whatever you prefer. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer amongst them. I guess I’ll take the least obvious. Gimme Hayward!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @tromba: Hah, don’t listen to that Jazz bias! Wait, I was about to saw Gobert… Dammit! Gobert vs. Green is clos… Gobert is a tad younger and I already have higher, he’s my guy

  20. Nick H says:
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    Hey not to bother you again. Just wanted to say that if you have extra spots in any cate leagues let me know. Im okay busting out of my 8 man league haha.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nick H: hah no bother at all! Our RCL (Razzball commenter leagues) will be opening up very shortly with tons of spots! I’ll reply back to ya here when open

  21. Nishinga says:
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    Hey Slim and JB I’m counting on you guys to provid me the next Draymond Green! 😛
    By the way, when will you post the H2H Playoff Schedule?

    Much love guys.

    • Slim

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      @Nishinga: I’m trying… I’ve had trouble finding the time lately and I absolutely refuse to half ass it.

      JB seems to be banking on Miles Turner but someone currently outside our top 100 that I think finishes in the top 100, I have a few. Stanley Johnson is on my short list and I bet he overtakes Marcus Morris by midseason for the starter role and minutes. Might happen sooner if Ilyasova goes down and Marcus has to play PF. I might take a late flier on Jerian Grant too. He looked like an NBA point guard in summer league and old man Calderon is really his only competition. Oh and if Bobby Portis was on almost any other team… Trade him to Pheonix for Markieff! Not like the Bulls have minutes for either though. Justin Anderson might get big minutes out of the gate. Parsons and Matthews both might not be ready for their usual complement of minutes right away and I imagine Dallas won’t have a choice but to go small most nights. Anderson really stood out in summer league too, he can play.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nishinga: hey man! Hah I dunno if we get a hit like Green this year, but we’ll try!

      Yeah Miles Turner is up there, Gallinari I’m huge on. Terrence Jones as well, but I think that will be a popular sleeper. Stanley Johnson and Nikola Mirotic are great late fliers, but their situations have to make them come at discounts, in the 100-110 range probably.

      Thanks for dropping by, good to see ya again!

  22. Shawn says:
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    Hey guys
    Do you remb me?
    Guy with Howard and Noel and Blake in a big league? I was asking about deals involving dray green?

    I just revived this offer and I’m debating it so I thought I’d come here and see what you guys thinks. You helped me big time with the Chandle trade.. I thought he was 29/30 not 32 that would have been a big mistake.

    trades Draymond Green, GS SF to LIFE
    Funk trades Blake Griffin, LAC PF to LIFE
    LIFE trades DeAndre Jordan, LAC C to Funk
    LIFE trades Thaddeus Young, Bkn SF to Funk
    LIFE trades Mike Conle.

    I have Blake.

    • Shawn says:
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      @Shawn: thanks guys
      Good call

      I’m thinking about sending some offers out for Lawson but he will want Thompson or green I’m sure :/
      Thanks again!!

      • Shawn says:
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        @Shawn: Thanks guys
        just got offered Robert Covington for Micheal kid Killgrist
        Im thinking I should do it… thought id toss it here and see what you guys think
        thanks :p

        • Slim

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          @Shawn: Oh yeah, I don’t think that’s close at all. Covington all day er’y day.

          • Shawn says:
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            @Slim:
            awesome :p good call. made the deal.
            thanks again
            huh someone is offering me Lawson for batum?
            can I ask what you guys think there?
            I see you rated batum higher
            i need a PG
            prob should hold but i thought id ask
            if i wait i can prob get more for batum later? as long as he doesnt get hurt( is my only tthinking) thanks guys :p

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Shawn: Oh for sure, def Covington! He has some mad upside, that MKG, well doesn’t come close to.

              I’d probably hold on that one indeed. Batum at least offers some dimes still, and there’s just so much risk with Lawson. I could see him being ranked even lower than where I have him in some places. I dunno if Batum will ever reach a “sell high” point, he is likely to be very steady… But he started so bad last year, maybe a pretty good start will make him look better in the market a month in.

              Any time!

  23. Jensen says:
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    Even with 3 rebounding cats I would not make this trade. Green and Blake both help you in too many other places and you already have Dwight as a rebound/block only guy.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Shawn: @Jensen: Yeah I think I’m holding off on this one too, it’s way too much age coming your way, with you giving up too much youth. Thad and Conley aren’t too old, but have a tonnnnnn of tread on those tires, why I don’t like Conley much this yr. too much youth and production now for you to give that up.

      Thanks for stopping by again!

  24. Rodgerz says:
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    Hey hows it going. I kinda wanted some advice this year on something. This is a 8-Cat league with 8 peeps.

    This is our leagues first year trading draft picks and I have ended up with the number #3 pick and #35 pick that i got in a trade for the #1 that someone gave me. So I have #3,16,17,32,33,35.

    I was going #3 Harden hands down. My long shot which could happen in my league is getting Kawhi with #16. If not I was thinking Kyrie (16), LaMarcus Aldridge (17). Im not too sure what LA brings this year in Pop’s system. Then thinking Draymond Green (32) if i dont get Kawhi? Maybe Eric Bledsoe (33) if i miss out on Kyrie? So I need to compensate bigs so i was thinking Marc Gasol (35).

    So the 16-33 pick is kind of where I am stuck at.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Rodgerz: Yo! Oh hell yeah Harden at 3 in 8-cat is money.

      Yeah it’s gonna be tough knowing how the draft will fall out, I still like Kawhi over Kyrie in 8-cat, but both drop a tad. I’d be happy with Kawhi still at 16. Would lovvvvvve E Bled at 33. I’ve got him higher above, and he’s only better in 8-cat. I’d like Gasol there too. Green would be great as well. I’d probably take E Bled over Green in 8-cat. Def avoiding Aldridge at all costs. Even at 35. I imagine I’d rather to-prone pg than him (Rubio!). Good luck this year!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        Oh I love Kawhi. He is my cross fingers falls to 16. See thats where I am stuck. I want Bledsoe, but not before 32, and I think he will most likely in my band of friends fall that far. So that means I need to go some sort of big with that 16th or 17th pick. I love me some Marc Gasol, just hoping he can come through for me behind Davis and Cousins.

        What are you thoughts on KLove and Lawson this year? Could lawson be a steal later rounds?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Rodgerz: Yeah he might not last that long indeed… I have Gasol a tad lower than that, but he can fit that build nicely.

          Love… Meh. I have him 38, that should be a tad lower than ADP, I don’t see too too much changing. Maybe some better %s and Pts, but minutes and injury history scare me off. Lawson… Who knows man, I was gonna dog him out of the top 100, but ran out of players. 8th-9th round I’d feel good with the risk. If ADP has him well below that, then yeah he could be a steal!

  25. Rodgerz says:
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    @JB Gilpin:

    Oh I love Kawhi. He is my cross fingers falls to 16. See thats where I am stuck. I want Bledsoe, but not before 32, and I think he will most likely in my band of friends fall that far. So that means I need to go some sort of big with that 16th or 17th pick. I love me some Marc Gasol, just hoping he can come through for me behind Davis and Cousins.

    What are you thoughts on KLove and Lawson this year? Could lawson be a steal later rounds?

  26. Eric says:
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    Hey guys… Thanks to all your help last year I won my keeper league and I have not wasted every opportunity to rub it in their faces.

    Its an 8-Category league. I will have 65/200 dollars remaining to spend in the draft. Based off who I think will be there, would you throw back a 25 dollar Millsap for the chance at Steph Curry or Kevin Durant.

    Basically would you rather have Steph or a combo like Millsap, Melo and others? Hopefully I can repeat this upcoming season

    • Slim

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      @Eric: That’s a tough one. I have a few questions. How many people are in the league? and how many roster spots are you going to be trying to fill with that 65/90 budget? I’m thinking the shallower the league the more likely I would be to go for the top guys, also the fewer roster spots you need to fill in the draft the more likely I would be to go for the top guys.

      • Eric says:
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        @Slim: It was a 12 team league but it might be moving to 10 (hence guys like KD and Steph being available). Without Millsap I would have 10 keepers and the roster allows for 18 plus IR spots. My gut tells me the right move is stick with Millsap and go for a Melo type in the draft… But Steph Curry is so good and fits my needs so perfectly. Thanks for getting back to me!

        • Slim

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          @Eric: That’s tough. Going for Curry probably prices you out of the high end rookies too. Pretty deep roster. Millsap should go for more than $25. With no inflation and keeping forever I think I would keep Millsap and pass on Curry/Durant. We’re assuming they go for like $70 right? Curry might go for more. So like $10-$20 to fill 7 spots. It wouldn’t be my preference but I guess it’s doable.

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            @Slim: In this particular league I can tell you that “superstars” and rookies will be overpriced compared to their worth. While Curry is perfect for my team he might honestly go for 85-90. For example, D Wade went for 22 last year while I got Oladipo (pre-injury) for only 17. I was leaning towards keeping Millsap anyways and I will just have to target post hype studs like Carmelo and K Love to help my FG% and FT%

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Eric: Ugh yeah with studs going that high, I think I hold Millsap. I like stacking a few of those post-hype guys, preferably Melo of those two though!

  27. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP?!!! yow! slim! we all know jb’s ranks and love for rubio and elfrid. but where would you rank them with point guards. right now, i like knight and clarkson more, though lakers do have a 2 game in week 21. tnx!

    • Slim

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      @MAC: This is probably a useless answer but I have all of them right next to each other, in the 50s, and which I take would be entirely dependent on team build. If I’m punting FTs gimme Elfrid, and I would be willing to reach for him. If I’m short on assists give me Rubio or Elfrid. If I’m looking more for points/3s, and a SG eligible guy, gimme Knight. Clarkson would be the guy if I don’t want to bring my FG% down anymore and I’m looking more for points than assists. The Lakers 2 games in the 1st round is annoying but I plan on having a 1st round bye… But really I don’t put nearly as much importance on that 1st round schedule than the other 2. Toronto has a 5 game week 21 so maybe I would look to add one of those guys to offset Clarkson, like if I already had Lowry I would feel just fine about Clarkson.

      • MAC says:
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        @Slim:
        not useless brah! tnx! . im definitely warming up on elfrid. the lack of 3s in a pg just turns me off. just like a big that doesnt block. but with orlandos playoff sched, i do like him now.

        we do have same plan on loading up on pg the first 6 picks, so if i do end up picking kyrie and dragic, id definitely need elfrid as the pg3. but if you have wall there instead of kyrie, knight is a better pick there.

        as for the playoff sched, i might have it the other way in terms of importance. as our league gives the top 3 the dough. but do enlighten me brah, as even without the prize for finishing top 3, i still look at it the other way. i mean you do have to advance first each round.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @MAC: But those sexy out-of-pos boards and those sexy dimes/stl! Yup, agree Knight fits with Wall better though.

          Slim def goes in drafting to get 1st every year. I am a little more neutral, and def helps this year’s schedule doesn’t quite have the wide skew as last year.

  28. Roto Rooter says:
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    JB, congrats on the marriage!! I’m really happy for you.

    This year I’m gonna try out a couple of 8-cat roto leagues. I saw in the comments that you said Kawhi and Klay were more roto guys than H2H guys, and that in a roto league you would take them over Cousins and maybe Westbrook. Can you explain that thinking? As I look at it, Cousins has better points, better boards, similar assists, similar steals, and more blocks, all without a big drop-off in %’s. He obviously doesn’t have as many 3’s as Kawhi/Klay, but he seems to be better at more categories.

    What makes a guy a “roto guy”?

    Thanks for the help

    • Slim

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      @Roto Rooter: I think JB is referring to 9-cat roto with those 2 guys and it’s because they don’t kill TOs which is just as important as the other cats in roto. But in 8-cat those 2 guys go down quite a bit. Definitely not 1st rounders. In 8-cat roto I think I have it…

      1.Curry, 2.Harden (this could be reversed if you’d like but I’d go Curry due to FG%)
      3.Brow, 4.Durant, 5.Cousins (if you’re worried about Brow/Durant staying healthy then go Cousins at #3!) Honestly I might go Cousins #3 in 8cat H2H too.
      6.LeBron, 7.Paul (ahead of the next 3 due to FG%)
      8.Westbrook, 9.Wall, 10.Lillard (Lillard behind those 2 because of FG%)

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        @Slim: Cousins is a monster in 8-cat roto and I think he’ll get his FG% back up closer to the .490-.500 range (like he had in 2013) with the addition of Rondo and all the easy buckets he should provide for him. If DMC can keep his high volume FT% in the mid- to high-70s, his assists in the 3.5 range, and continue churning out 3+ combined BLKs/STLs…look out. His points and rebounds have increased each of the last three years as well, so if that trend continues we’re looking at 25PPG and 13RPG which is yuuuge when combined with his other goodies.

        I’m neither a fan of him as a person nor of his durability (64, 75, 71, 59 GP each of last four years)…but you can’t argue with his talent and statistical output. If he could play 75-80 games with the numbers above, he’s a fantasy rockstar. You’re not quite in Brow territory, but you’re getting pretty close.

        Also – I would put Lillard ever-so-slightly ahead of both Wall and Westy personally. Lillard is ultra-durable and though he’ll be the worst of those three in FG% and STLs, he’ll cream the other two in 3PM, FT% and likely PPG (assuming a healthy OKC squad where Westy has to share with KD, Kanter, Ibaka – all pretty darn good offensive players). I love securing assists early with someone like Wall, but I just feel like we’ve already seen his best (which is really good, mind you)…I don’t think we’ve seen Lillard’s career year…but we’re about to.

        • Slim

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          @Matty: Yeah I’m not a fan of Cousins attitude either. I kinda of assume it gets better with age… or not, who knows. That 64 game year was during the shortened 66 game season, we can’t really use that for durability concerns. But yeah there is a reason to be cautious. And I’m with you with Cousins vs Brow in 8cat still favoring Brow for his extra block and 2 percents vs Cousins 2+ boards and 1.5 assists. If Brow shoots more 3s then his FG% will come down, although I doubt he shots all that many anyway.

          My only concern with Lillard in roto is that he probably takes a ton of bad shots this year and could really hurt FG% with a ridiculous volume. I’d be a bit nervous about that in roto with my 1st pick.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Roto Rooter: Thanks so much man! Was a great time, but glad to be back in the states haha.

            Yup Slim answered it perfectly. In roto, TO killers are a big avoid, but 8-cat taking that out makes the TO guys mad attractive.

            @Slim: Cousins v. LeBron in 8-cat Roto… I might lean LeBron there, but that one is close. I like Harden 1. I’m still taking Westy over Paul, even with FG%. I might go with Lillard over Paul too like @Matty:

            @Slim: Good call on FG% though… That could be a killer drain. Aight I’m sold. PG – Westbrook, Paul, Lillard, Wall 6-10

  29. Dizzy says:
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    Thanks for the early rankings guys! Just wondering, Dwight Howard isn’t shown here, is that deliberate? You’ve got DeAndre Jordan at #32 who you’ve projected to have what I believe would be relatively similar stats to Dwight, though he’s noticeably lower in a few cats compared to DJ (FG, Rebs, and Blks went down last season).

    Where would you rank him?

    • Slim

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      @Dizzy: Howard not top 100 is definitely no mistake. If I could have Howard when he was DeAndre’s age then I imagine he would be somewhere around Drummonds rank. Me and JB never even discussed him either. I think we both think he’s closer to last years numbers than what he was in his prime and the reason he doesn’t even get to top 100 now is his turnovers. You already have to punt FT% and he pretty much forces your hand with turnovers too. DeAndre and Drummond don’t do that and if I had one of them and I was punting FT% I’m not so sure I would even look to draft Howard.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dizzy: Yup Slim got this one, eeesh, he’s so low in 9-cat ranks. 140ish? I wouldn’t want to own him. Blocks dropping to a mind-blowing low 1.3 last year takes almost all his goodness away.

  30. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP BRUHS?!!!

    YO SLIM! , as for the playoff sched, i might have it the other way in terms of importance. as our league gives the top 3 the dough. but do enlighten me brah, as even without the prize for finishing top 3, i still look at it the other way. i mean you do have to advance first each round.

    • Slim

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      @MAC: I haven’t forgot about this one. I’ve been formulating the words in my head and it’s something I wanted to talk about in the big schedule post anyway.

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @MAC: @Slim: Our master chemist, hard at work on the chalk board!

  31. King Icheboo says:
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    9 cat 14 team league…We don’t have ft% but actual fts as a category. In this type of league how far does Drummond jump? Into the first round? Remember there are 14 first round picks. How about Deandre Jordan? Does Dwight break the top 75?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @King Icheboo: 14 team league, yeah Drummo hits the end of the first round there. DeAndre easily top 20. My worry in standard is the volume spikes way up, and thats not a concern in your league. Dwight still with TO and blocks falling so low… Probably not, maybe leaks into the top 100, but barely. Bad TO, falling boards, bleck

  32. MAC says:
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    YAHOO just opened! whats with the injured reserve spot? and week 23 says it runs for 10 days?

    • MAC says:
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      @MAC:
      i think i just understand what yahoo did, playoffs are week “20, 21, 22”. they made the couple of weeks with the all star break into 1 week i guess.

      • Slim

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        @MAC: Yeah I’m looking at it now. I’m glad I didn’t rush that playoff schedule post… Yeah the allstar week is 2 weeks, but the normal amount of games.

        Default playoffs are
        Week 20 is still Mar14-20
        Week 21 is still Mar21-27
        Week 22 is still Mar28-Apr3

        So still the same. I think you have an option for a long finals but it’s not default and I would be very much against playing that last week to 10 days since most good players on good teams usually get benched.

        Looks like they are bringing pro leagues back. My kinda league right there.

        2 spots for injured players looks like the default… Interesting…

        • MAC says:
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          @Slim:
          yeah, not doing the last week. the last 5-6 games, teams with locked seeding or tanking basically shutdown their best players. looking at you lillard. you could have finish your playoffs post slim, basically youll just change the week num, its still the same. looking forward to it. especially the importance of 1st round games than the finals.

          • MAC says:
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            @MAC:
            yeah, whats with the injured reserved? whats the difference of adding 2 bench spots instead of 2 injured reserve spots. we still went with the old default 3 bench spots.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Slim: @MAC: Sweeeeet, can’t wait to launch RCLs! And happy all-star week defaults to 2 weeks.

              Hmmm, well REL I think defaulted to it’s normal roster, so Slim we gotta talk about really adding those. I dunno if I wanna change it if it didn’t default in.

              As for RCLs, we’ll do what default is, it’s just too confusing to tinker too much

  33. Slim

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    I see there are people who’s questions aren’t showing. You hit the spam filter. I can’t push it through, you gotta wait till JB is done sippin on his daiquiris by the pool.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Def had a few daiquiris. Mostly mojitos. Mmmmm. Some pina coladas or however you spell that. Oh, and tons of sake at the two asian places!

  34. Matty says:
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    As a Raps homer I’m curious what the community thinks of Valanciunas signing a three/four-year extension to stay in TO. He didn’t get max money and he no longer has the extra incentive of the “contract year”…so does that make you think this 2015/2016 season will just be status quo with him? Average (albeit efficient) numbers with little upside due to capped playing time.

    He can say all he wants about working to improve his defense so he can earn more late-game minutes, but how often in the past have we heard that from players in the summer and it’s all just lip service? They work hard to drop weight, extend their range, improve their handle, shoot 1000 FTs a day, etc., etc. and we see negligable growth as a result.

    That’s what this JV signing and recent commentary suggest to me. He’s got financial security (congrats to him, that’s great for a youngster) in a city he loves with a team he’s comfortable with. Other than an internal drive to become an all-star or really help make a push for a ‘chip, where’s his incentive to do whatever it takes to be better than he was in 2013 or 2014?

    Somebody convince me!

    • Bgrizzle says:
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      @Matty:

      I see JV progressing a little like Demar… If you’re hoping for massive improvements don’t hold your breath, but every year I can see him getting a little better. I think the only way JV makes a large jump is if Casey allows him to learn from his mistakes and gets to play over 25 mins a game and that I wouldn’t hold my breath on either. I think JV is a solid character guy and will always put in the work and not coast like others.

    • Jensen says:
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      @Matty: Rap fans have to feel good about this deal. His PER is over 20 and he signed a pretty friendly deal compared to what other bigs are getting/are going to get this offseason (WHITESIDE).

      Whatever you think of JV he is a more than capable starting Center and signed for way less than he could have gotten, so much so that I was shocked to see it was four years. I think its a great signing for the Raps and he should get a career high in min this year without Amir around.

      • Matty says:
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        @Jensen: Agreed – the deal is great for both sides as JV gets his financial security without having to relocate to a less “international” NBA city (the multi-cultural aspect of Toronto is probably it’s most attractive feature for non-American players)…and the Raps get a starting calibre C locked up long-term below next year’s “market value”.

        I am not so sure about the assumption that Valanciunas will automatically get more minutes now that Amir is gone. Johnson only averaged 26MPG last year and those could quickly be absorbed by a combo of PatPat (likely starter) and Luis Scola. Then in late-game situations I think you’ll see Dwayne Casey continue to favor small ball lineups that could see PP/LS at centre, DeMarre Carroll (or James Johnson) slide to the 4, Derozan and TRoss manning the wings, and either Lowry or CoJo (better defender) running the point. Can’t forget that Biyombo is in town now as well, and his calling card is defense, and with his athleticism I would guess he’s superior in guarding pick & rolls and on weakside/help D (haven’t watched enough of him to say for certain though).

        The roster is constructed in such a way that they have a number of hybrid players who can very reasonably slide one position up (like JJ or DC from natural 3 to small ball 4)…and this could all spell another year of 26-28MPG for Jonas.

        Overall I like the deal for the team and for JV as a real life player/person. But for fantasy purposes, it’s the other moves that Masai has made this offseason that suggest a deeper and more versatile Raptors rotation.

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          @Matty: I seem to be in the minority that thinks Casey will not have a choice in the matter. James Johnson? Bismack? Luis Scola? Their is a reason those guys signed for less than the mid level exception, they don’t deserve significant playing time. Maybe Dwayne Casey is the basketball equivalent of Mike Scioscia, but I think there is a limit to how much damage he can really do.

          • Matty says:
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            @Jensen: You could be right, but this Toronto team has the markings of a deep and balanced rotation with a pretty versatile roster to play the matchups where no one player is going to see mega minutes (Derozan, Lowry and Carroll would be the only three I can see averaging 30+).

            At minimum you’re looking at a 9-man rotation: Lowry, CoJo, Derozan, TRoss, Carroll, PatPat, Scola, Biyombo, Vananciunas…with the potential for James Johnson to see double digit minutes a lot of nights as well (he averaged nearly 20MPG over 70 contests last year).

            PatPat easily eats up Amir’s 26MPG (and probably a couple more) as the starting 4. Remember – Amir was nursing bad ankles (plural) almost the entire season, so his minutes were purposely limited to maximize his efficiency. Scola will absorb about 20 of PatPat’s 26MPG off the bench. Biyombo will demand more than Hansbrough’s 14MPG at PF/C. Then you have some small ball 4 minutes going to both Johnson & Carroll, pushing a more traditional PF to the 5.

            I just don’t see where JV can really carve out more mins this year with a deeper and more talented roster overall. I’d cap him at 28 which is still a small increase from last season, but not the 30-32 I think a lot of his owners are going to be praying for.

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      @Matty: I’m also a huge Raps fan (and I can’t stand Casey’s rotations). I read this interview with Casey recently: http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/john_schuhmann/07/18/dwane-casey-qanda/
      and it sounds like Jonas is gonna continue to get benched and we might play some small ball with DeMarre at the 4 (although none of our PFs look like they could play C in small ball). I think the contract is still a good deal cause it only takes 1 team to offer him the max and then he would be a max player next summer, and someone would’ve done it for sure. It’s way better than Kanter at 4 years / 70 million. I still think he stays pretty much the same, at least by stats, this coming year.

      • Jensen says:
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        @CTMN: I think the DeMarre at PF thing is getting to much hype. Dude is not playing 15 MPG at PF. Like, its probably something they do for a few min a half, but its not really a viable rotation for long stretches. Carroll at PF means Biyombo is playing C. How long can you really run that lineup?

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          @Jensen: Yeah fair point. I just think Casey will always find new ways to bench Jonas and screw up rotations.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Matty: @CTMN: @Jensen: @Bgrizzle: @CTMN: Whew, Raps fans blowin up!

            I agree it’s a solid deal for both sides, and agree with most of you guys that it’s not a sudden hop to 32 MPG for him. He’ll be solid again with maybe a slight uptick, that I think [most] owners will over-pay for.

            Agree DeMarre at PF isn’t a big threat there, but man they can pair a ton of different PF/C looks with all the guys they have. Doesn’t breed confidence on a big jump in PT. Kinda why I think Gortat will be OK, Wiz don’t really have that luxury. Especially with Nene haha

  35. Slim

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    Y! ranks are so effed up. Here’s a few.

    Wiggins 82, Clarkson 144, Draymond 27, Reggie 102, Gorgui 120, Gallo 128, Burks 155.

    Wow.

    • Slim

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      @Slim: Some context for Wiggins at 82… Redick at 79, Ilyasove at 81.

      • Slim

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        @Slim: I could do this all day… Aldridge at 17. Love at 20. Favors at 59!

        • MAC says:
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          @Slim:
          yeah, yahoo always has a messed up rankings. but they adjust it a couple of weeks before the season starts. if not, then razzball people should rejoice. haha.

          well do our drafts oct 18, always 2 sundays before tipoff. i think thats the best time to have a draft. with preseason almost over, then the season nearby. the downside is, yahoo pretty much adjusted its ranking already by that time. huhu.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: @MAC: Hahahaha def taking Ersan over Wiggins! Yikes. Aldridge is gonna destroy some noob teams.

          • A Potamus says:
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            @MAC: That’s the reason I like my drafts early. I’ll take my chances with someone on my team going down for the year if I can get some huge steals that I won’t be able to get in October. Yahoo Baseball does the same thing, but I truly think they read Grey’s rankings.

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              @A Potamus: Yeah for sure, we’ll be launching RCLs here early and I can imagine some interesting picks, but Razzball Nation is too smart to let ADP run their drafts. Yahoo hoops def read our ranks last year too! Hah

    • A Hill O' Beans says:
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      @Slim: haha, I did a mock just to check out their rankings and that was basically my team once I get through the first few rounds. Some of them are crazy, but I’m assuming they’ll get a huge adjustment as we get closer to the season.

      Great to see the REL back. I had to said JB the reminder that as long as he wasn’t busy on his honeymoon he should get this thing going, haha.

    • CTMN says:
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      @Slim: Last year I was hoping to steal everyone by doing my draft early…in the end, everyone wanted to wait to do the draft, so we did it after the updated rankings. I still got Draymond at 120 LMAO. But lucky for me, I had the #1 pick and was saved from picking KD cause his injury happened a couple days before our draft.

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        JB Gilpin says:
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        @A Hill O’ Beans: @CTMN: Hah yeah last year Draymond was like 180. Hah! Then corrected to like, 130 or 140, so still bad. It’ll have a massive fix again.

        Hahaha, yeah sorry about that, of course Yahoo opened up while on the honeymoon, but it’s going. Gotta get in a few replacements, but I got em lined up I think.

        Ugh yeah KD post drafting him would be killer… Ugh

  36. Phranque (pronounced Frank) says:
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    WOW…Imagine my surprise…It’s only August and you guys are up and providing VALUABLE stuff for next season. THANK YOU!!! I’ve not yet checked out your rankings in my normal drooling, obsessive manner…as a fantasy bball addict…but I will.

    Slim, I really appreciate your stat projection work. I know you created stat projections prior to last season. My question is… did you compare your preseason projections to the players’ actual season numbers? Were you generally satisfied with your projections? I hope so. Otherwise I may have to take off my shoes and socks and start counting toes..or go find my abacus or slide rule ….and then google them, to find out what the hell to do with them.

    I thank you guys for being up and running during the dog days of summer. I now have something to look forward to each morning I turn on the computer.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Phranque (pronounced Frank): Thanks for reading man! We are def trying to get out there early, just too excited!

      Hah I’m gonna have to put Slim on this… It’s tough to go back on all that though… I do it for my pitcher ranks over on baseball, and just on my rank not on projections, and it takes forever!

    • Slim

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      @Phranque (pronounced Frank): For the most part I think I did ok with my projections last year.

      Wiggins proj
      .440/.770/0.9/13.5/4.7/1.2/1.2/0.9/2.4 :30
      Wiggins act
      .437/.760/0.5/16.9/4.6/2.1/1.0/0.6/2.2 :36
      Not terrible but I need to remember even great rookies are still rookies

      Derozan proj
      .430/.820/0.5/23.0/4.1/3.9/0.9/0.3/2.1 :36
      DeRozan act
      .413/.832/0.4/20.1/4.6/3.5/1.2/0.2/2.3 :35
      close…

      Hayward proj
      .430/.820/1.4/18.0/5.2/5.3/1.4/0.5/2.6 :36
      Hayward act
      .445/.812/1.6/19.3/4.9/4.1/1.4/0.4/2.7 :34.5
      Not bad, a little more scoring and a little less assisting.

      I’m not going to be perfect but I think I was more right than wrong with these guys. Especially considering what they did the year before.

      I was close with Draymond but I put him at 28 min and he went to 31.5. I think that’s where I was wrong the most but that is by far the hardest to predict past the top 50 or so guys.

        • Matty says:
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          @JB Gilpin: Careful what you wish for, JB. I mean, what if Slim holds Trump-esque views on immigration? He could mistake spanish-talkin’ Ricky Rubio for an illegal Mexican and in the blink of an eye your latin lover gets deported before he even has a chance to roll another ankle…

          Alternatively, he could be forced to turn over the Razzball email server…and then what happens to the fantasy basketball landscape if Slim’s uber-accurate projections model is made public? We’re lookin’ at drafts where Draymond Green is going 1st overall and Myles Turner is undrafted in deep dynasty leagues!

          • Slim

            Slim says:
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            @Matty: Hehe yeah… less Trump, more Bernie Sanders. Free universal projections for all! And if a spokesman for “Swiss Knees Matter” wants to take my mic then by all means have at it.

            I wouldn’t go so far as to say there’s a ‘model’. So much of it is just what I feel on that particular day. Last year I did it once and never looked back. I’m pretty sure I’m going to do at least one edit this year. Probably in the middle of the preseason once we start to get a feel for rotations. Even then though I imagine it will mostly just be fixing minute projections and prorating the stats accordingly.

            Turner… I know I keep saying #62 is too high but there is no league I will be apart of that he’ll make it out of the top 100 and in the REL he will be on my team. Oh yes. He will be on my team. Well, unless Favors gets thrown back. But I think I gave Turner a favorable projection. Not #62 I guess but I think it’s top 100.

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              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Matty: @Slim: Hahahaha, I had a brief Trump quip in my intro for 150 post! We’re def liberal – free for all!

              Turner = Slim’s worst “too-low” projection for 15-16

  37. Dante Green says:
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    Does anybody know when ESPN updates their rankings? I want my league to draft when their list is still f-ed up. Lol

    • Jensen says:
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      @Dante Green: They just updated today and Tom Carpenter is still an idiot. In honor of ESPN’s updated rankings here are a few of my favorites.

      #11 Carmelo
      #27 D-Rose
      #32 OCCUPYDRAYMOND
      #33 Giannis (Yes, that is correct, Giannis is one spot behind Draymond
      #45 Vucevic
      #57 MCW (Personally I think he could finish this high but the fact that he is ranked higher than #59 Wiggins is downright foolish)
      #63 Favors
      #90’s Rondo, Tony Wroten, Hezonja and Schroder are ranked above #99 Jordan Clarkson
      #117 Terrence Joens is behind #112 John Henson

      #140 Miles Turner. This is the 2015 Draymond Green.

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        @Jensen: Hah I think that’s still the old one! But let’s hope these rankings keep the likes of TJones and Miro (the sleepers candidates) well past top 100, and have Rondo and MCW inside top 60! Lol

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Jensen: @Dante Green: HOLY HELL?!?!?! Was D Rose even 27th when he won the MVP?! I don’t even do ESPN anymore…

          Hezonja ahead of Clarkson WTF?!??! Oh man, Slim and I will have fun on the Pod Tuesday. Awful stuff

  38. Clyde Prompto says:
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    There’s more useful info from the commenters on an average Razzbasketball post than Yahoo publishes in an entire season.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: For sure man, appreciate it! I’m happy taking credit for, maybe 10% of the good content we help with. Slim can grab 10%, rest of the team another 20%, then 80% for the comments! Wait, not sure on my math, why Slim is the numbers guy…

      • Clyde Prompto says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Intelligent analysis attracts intelligent commenters. Oh and belated congrats on the wedding!

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Clyde Prompto: Thanks so much man! Was a blast along with honeymoon

  39. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP BOYS?!!! anyone here knows how an IR spot works? we still went with the old default 3 bench spots. is it good to add it? tnx!!!

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      @MAC: Nah I’m not a huge fan. Pretty sure when a player is designated as out (that “O”) he can be on IR. Which is annoying because you can IR someone who is barely out, and just depends on kinda an arbitrary label (“O” vs “DTD”)

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      @MAC: Oh yeah, Yahoo does “Injured” – been a while hah! But then even that is annoying, since a guy can be hurt a week and they slap it on there, but one missed start doesn’t get it, just seems wishy-washy unlike baseball with clear real-life DL rules or football with clear IR rules

      • MAC says:
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        @JB Gilpin:
        tnx!!! i think i get it. haha. but yeah, we would still go with the old default of 3 bench spots. that one, and the playoffs sched messed me up a bit. then i got it what yahoo did, i think they made the all star weeks into 2 weeks. so playoffs now would start at week 20. everything else is the same. gud2.

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          JB Gilpin says:
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          @MAC: Agree, old default I think is the way to go. Glad Yahoo made all star break 2 weeks though, a 3 game week isn’t enough

          • MAC says:
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            @JB Gilpin:
            i said it wrong. haha! i meant yahoo made the 2 weeks of all star break into 1 week of match up. though i think u understood razz man.

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              JB Gilpin says:
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              @MAC: Hah yeah I got it, my response wasn’t worded great either 🙂 We got it tho!

  40. Matty says:
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    Welcome back, JB. Hope you had a blast livin’ the Zac Brown Band life (toes in the water/ass in the sand/not a worry in the world/cold beer in your hand)…

    Looking forward to the late-August/early-September offerings like your 100+ rankings, schedule analysis, more pods, etc. You guys are setting the standard for quality fantasy basketball content and EASILY have the best informed and most passionate community of readers/commenters which makes coming back to the site a great daily ritual.

    Trying to feed the beast with content from the “major” sites just doesn’t quite do the trick (especially in the summer months), so I’m glad you’re back. Now GET BACK TO WORK! 3000 words by dinner time – go!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Matty: Thanks man! Hah, yeah lots of cold drinks, in a non stop supply… it was sick.

      Yup will be knocking out 100-150 this week, prob not wrap up up to 200 until early next week, and launch RCLs.

      Thanks so much man! Well, humbly appreciate that you love our stuff, BUT EMPHATICALLY AGREE on the commenters! Def what makes Razzball, Razzball.

      Hahahaha, 100-150 will easily be that long, let’s do this! hah!

  41. bgrizzle says:
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    This is a follow up to something you already answered but now that the Yahoo projections are up I need your help.

    Final year of a 10 team keeper league and my options are Wiggins in the 7th or R.Jackson or Payton in the 12th. I also have PG-13 in the 12th (everyone gets to keep 2 player)

    You guys convinced me that Wiggins is the way to go with your projection of top 20 value. Currently Yahoo has Wiggins listed in the 80’s so does it make sense to us my keeper pick on him??? What if I just try to grab him in the 4th round and us my other keep pick on on of the point gaurds. Outside of Razzball followers do think people will be targeting Wiggins that early.

    Also lets say your projection are off on Wiggins what do you think the lowest return could be?

    • CTMN says:
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      @bgrizzle: The same argument could be made for not keeping Jackson, since he’s ranked 102 and could go pretty late. But it depends on when you have your draft. Yahoo will update their rankings and I bet Wiggins will go way up, Jackson too but maybe less than Wiggins.

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        @CTMN:

        Good point… so do you think is the best play?

    • bgrizzle says:
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      @bgrizzle:

      .450/.825/1.1/19.5/5.6/3.1/1.1/0.7/2.2 :34

      .450/.790/0.8/21.0/5.2/2.9/1.2/0.8/2.4 :38

      One is Wiggins and the other Rudy Gay what are you paying is Wiggins. Im surer the 38 minutes gives away who’s who. The only thing that doesnt show is maybe Wiggins FT attempts but is that worth an extra round in value?

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        @bgrizzle: I think Wiggins value is early 3rd round, Gay late 3rd. You might be able to take Wiggins in the fourth though, like you suggested. I think I’d keep Jackson probably, I like him better than Payton for fantasy (mostly because of ft% and a little bit 3s) and I think getting a 4th rounder in the 12th might be better than a 3rd rounder in the 4th, even if Wiggins does turn out better than expected. Not an expert opinion though lol

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          @bgrizzle: @CTMN: Yikes, R-Jax at 102?!?!?! They think Jennings will start right away or something?!?!?

          Wiggins just has so much upside, and Gay off a few injuries is obviously older with a lot of tread on those tires. It’s true Wiggins might fall to you in the 4th, but that’s kinda a risk, especially if your draft is after Yahoo fixes their ranks. I’m still taking Wiggins

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            @JB Gilpin:

            You really think people are going after Wiggins in the 3rd round. it would be interesting to see what the largest leap a player of a “Wiggins” caliber has made from his rookie year.

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              @Bgrizzle: Yeah I think they will.

              Ummm, off the top of my head, how about Dirk rookie to 2nd yr? http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3252/

              But I guess that’s a big difference due to PT. I couldn’t think of a much better comp top of my head haha

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                  @Bgrizzle: @CTMN: Oh good ones. I thought about Wade, but he faciliatated so much I didn’t throw it in there. Ohhhhh McGrady 3rd to 4th year I really like. But tough thinking of rookie to soph guys without looking up stats for a few hours haha.

                  How about maybe Shawn Marion? Like Dirk – more boarding – and prob a little more Matrix-ish haha, but yeah

        • Way says:
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          Just drafted Ian Mahinmi and came back here to see how high you rate him, but I realize you still have Roy Hibbert as a Pacer….

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            JB Gilpin says:
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            @Way: Yup, already fixed, issue with the source spreadsheet. I don’t like Mahinmi at all, even if he breaks as the starter, not enough upside with his killing FT% and no way he starts all year.

  42. Jason says:
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    Hi, I’m new to this site but seeing the detailed explanations, I trust that you know what you are doing haha. However I have a few questions. Would you rather take Gobert or Whiteside? Also, who would you choose to draft in the late rounds (75+ because usually everyone there is bad so I would want a high upside breakout season player)? Lastly, do you have any general fantasy tips and strategies? Thanks a lot!

    • Jason says:
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      @Jason: To add on to this, I will be playing in an 8 team 9cat H2H league. Thanks

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        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Jason: Welcome to Razzball! Appreciate ya dropping by and checking out our stuff!

        Def Gobert for me. There was a report out today saying Whiteside will see a lot of bench against small ball lineups, but Gobert is going to play a ton either way. He’s too much a difference maker, and why I have him top 15.

        Late rounds, if I had to pick my main sleepers it would be Gallinari, Terrence Jones (who will be a popular one), Jordan Clarkson, and Myles Turner. All are ranked out of the top 75 in some initial ranks I’m seeing, while all in my top 75.

        For some strategy, I’m usually not a category punter, and in an 8 team league, there’s so much talent I wouldn’t punt a category like FT%. This year, I like coming out of the first three rounds with at least one PG and one big, with the big man likely in the second round – Gobert is my guy there. PG dries up really fast into the teens, so one of the first two picks is probably a PG.

        Hope that helps, and def keep commenting away as we approach here!

        • Jason says:
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          @JB Gilpin: Thanks a lot! In such a small league, the first three picks are a no-brainer but if given a middle draft order (4-8), what type of guys would you aim for? Like would you rather pick someone like durant/LeBron or go for cp3 following your first round pg advice? Do you think it would be worth it to draft gobert in the second round or take the risk and get him in the third round? My last question is whether you will be updating this list as the season nears just because there will probably be a lot of changes. (News just came that Irving will be out till around January.)

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Jason: Nah I think you gotta still take Durant or LeBron given their studly upside. With Kyrie now way out of the equation, I think I would get one of those elite guys then indeed go Gobert and piece together PG from there.

            Yup this will be updated frequently! I just put out my 101-150:http://basketball.razzball.com/top-150-for-2015-16-fantasy-basketball
            but I’ll probably wait until I’m done with 151-200 before updating this post top to bottom. Probably end of next week then likely once a week until the season starts, so stay tuned.

            Thanks for dropping by!

  43. Jazz says:
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    Hey razzball, a couple quick questions. I’m in a 12 team, H2h, 9 cat league. Best player to pair with KD/Harden in the second round? And how to build to around one of these guys for the rest of the draft? Options available in the second round at my pick, draymond green, gasols, Rudy Gobert, Blake G, PG, vuc, and Lowry.

    Thanks for the help!

    • CTMN says:
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      @Jazz: Draymond fits with pretty much anybody. Gobert would be my second option. I’m guessing you mean Millsap wouldn’t be there, but if he would, he’s my first choice there.

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        @CTMN: yea ibaka and millsap won’t be there, but if millsap is there, I’m definitely taking him. So, if I have harden and d. green, should i get a scorer in the third round or get another shot blocker and look for points later on?

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          @Jazz: @CTMN: @Jazz: Yeah Draymond is an awesome fit. Low TO and hits all the cats, like CTMN says, he fits everyone. Gobert is def realllly close though for Harden pairing. You’d be unbelievable with Harden and Gobert off the bat.

          If Harden/Green, it kinda depends on who is on the board. I bet Wiggins is there and I see a huge breakout building on the second half. If Drummond is there, Harden hides the FT. Either one would be a monster 3rd pick.

          Thanks for dropping by!

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          @JB Gilpin: @Jazz: Yeah pretty much what JB said…either Harden and Draymond and look for a guy like Drummond (Whiteside could work if Drummond’s gone), or Harden and Gobert and then you could get a wing like Hayward/Wiggins or a PG like Bledsoe.
          I actually like the Harden-Gobert-Bledsoe/Hayward thing better than if you picked Draymond but both are good.

  44. I'm Harden for your love says:
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    Now that the rankings are up what would you consider the best position to pick in this years draft? Is 1st overall all its really cracked up to be since the top 3 are all so close?

    Does anyone have a preferred spot they like starting in the draft. And how does your strategy change depending on draft position?

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      @I’m Harden for your love: Great question! I would say I want 1 or 2. I know Curry isn’t “that” far off from Harden for me, but I def want Harden or Brow first.

      Drafting last at the turn is def tough. I think at the turn I might have to reach for a big. They dry up pretty fast in the second round, although Kawhi/Draymond/Millsap/Thompson, any combo of those I’d be OK with. I think draft strategy changes in 9cat since those guys aren’t TO prone/PG, so I might reach for PG a little harder in the mid rounds.

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        @I’m Harden for your love: @JB Gilpin: I kind of want 3 since the first 2 guys would decide for me who they want and I could take who’s left without worrying that I screwed up

  45. PMF says:
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    Hello, this is my first in RAZZ since playing fantasy in 2011-12 season. Let me just say impeccable work on the ranking analysis.

    I played a very deep 18-team league, 15 cat (standard 9 cat but REBs broken down to OREB DREB plus FGM FTM 3PT% Foul Tech) last season. We might go 20 deep this year. I am trying to think of a possible combo should I get 18-20 pick. I am inclined to take some Drummond -Gobert combo (FG%, punt ft&pts, OREBS DREBS, solid defense stats) or Gasol Brothers (balanced across the board) or Blake-Vucevic (for the counting stats on offense). All said, I’d like to ask what is a good strategy on this.

    Thanks!

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      JB Gilpin says:
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      @PMF: Thanks so much, and thanks for dropping by!

      18 teams – love it! My fav league is 20 deep, love the deepers. Def try and make it 20! If All-Star break weeks stretch into a two week matchup you play every team once (I think) so it is a nice number for H2H.

      Defffff want Gobert in that format. Although the two boarding cats spread with everything else isn’t a huge boost, but in a league that deep, waiting until your next pick there won’t be any of the flashy bigs left. So I’d almost certainly take him plus Draymond if both are there, Blake doesn’t fit quite as well, but he could be a consolation if Draymond is taken. All the top tier PG will be gone, so def getting the best big I could being Gobert.

      Any time!

  46. Vince says:
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    Good Day Razzballers, I’m back again after having a successful season last year thanks to you guys. Anyways, I know it’s too early to talk trades and whatnot, but I just got offered one. Wondering what are your thoughts on this: He is offering J. Parker + Horford for (my players) K. Walker + M. Ellis.. I have Bledsoe/AD/R.Jackson/D.Green/I.Thomas/Noah/Hayward/M.Turner on my team.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Vince: Never too early to talk trades!

      So let’s see, is this a dynasty and keep forever, or are there lengths of time you can only keep players? Short term and in a vacuum, I don’t like it I’m really worried about Jabari this year as he’s eased in. I think with your bigs, especially with Brow, Horford isn’t enough of a need to give that much up.

      Dynasty it’s closer as both guards are older and you get the youngest guy. That said, your core looks pretty nasty, I think AD can help you win now. I think I’d pass

      • Vince says:
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        @JB Gilpin: This is only a regular league, no keepers. Looks like I’ll pass this offer. Thanks again! Btw, will you be making a ranking for the next 100 players outside the top 100?

          • Vince says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Thank YOU. I will definitely keep on coming back. Great job as always by the way, your sleeper picks are always spot on.

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              @Vince: Thanks man, I try! Def think I’ll miss a few, dunno if we’ll hit on a Draymond Green this year, but we’ll see!

  47. Nick H. says:
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    So I have been hearing/reading some rumblings about position break down this year. So we know in the past when we draft A. Davis that we will be able to slot him in PF/C. or Jimmy Butler at SG/SF, and so on.

    I heard this year, either ESPN, or fantasy basketball in general , is going by the rule of thumb that players aren’t eligible for another position unless they start at least 10 starts in that respectable position.

    Can anyone shed light to this issue this year, it will change alot of my draft strats if I cant plug players like Kawhi, Butler, or Thompson in different slots.

    Thank YA!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nick H.: Well looking at Yahoo, it doesn’t seem to have any changes. Yahoo seems to have combo positions as they always do, but they list positions in combos a lot more than ESPn historically. It’s because both pull their position rules from different data. Here’s how Yahoo says they do it: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7057.html

      I’m pretty removed from ESPN now, but they might do theirs with that 10 game rule as baseball does. If ESPN is really doing that, I would hate it. Players aren’t locked into positions most of the time anymore.

      Hope that helps!

      • Nick H. says:
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        @JB Gilpin:
        Unfortunately I only roll with ESPN. Not sure what everyone’s consensus is on which is better. That would be unfortunate if ESPN made a 10 game rule. It would significantly de-value players draft.

        Oh Well, fingers crossed. If that’s the case, what would be your strat for drafting and filling out? Would you draft more of whose available for the position, or best player on the board?

        Thanks

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          @Nick H.: yeah that would be really frustrating… Def worth doing some mocks and see how much it impact your draft.

          Depending on the criteria for how they get those 10 games, it wouldn’t change too much as I’d think a lot of players will get further eligibility pretty quick. I’d def want a pg and c pretty early, but part that would tend to go with best avail.

          Hope that helps man!

  48. Vince says:
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    I am facing a dilemma right now. In one of my keeper leagues we are only allowed 10 players to keep, I have already set 8 of them (Drummond/Harden/Whiteside/T.Jones/Rubio/D.Howard/Monroe/W.Matthews) but am left with choosing the last 2. Among these candidates left, who should I pick? Ilyasova, Afflalo, Josh Smith, LaVine, or C. Brewer?

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      @Vince: Hmmmm yeah that is a bit of a pickle… I don’t love any of the vets, so I’d hold LaVine, then hope kMart gets moved at the deadline and he turns into a clear keeper but 16-17. Then it’s between ily or afflalo. I think you could use a g more than a pf, I’d take afflalo. Thanks for stopping by!

      • Vince says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Was initially inclined on keeping Ily and Afflalo. With Monroe out, and Drummond limited to only playing in the paint, wouldn’t that give Ily a lot more potential to produce compared to LaVine? If I may ask, are you sold on LaVine? I mean, with Rubio coming back and I’ve been hearing that A.Miller will be closing out games, do you think there is still room for LaVine to be productive?

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          @Vince: Well I’m thinking long-term. You keep 10 year-to-year right? I def like Ily more this year, but if Kmart is traded, LaVine I could see being better in the second half. Ily is kinda brittle, and even if a couple of injuries happen I don’t think he gets any better. LaVine could be huge if there’s injuries. It’s an upside play for a hopeful solid keeper in 16-17, which i like to do when it’s 10 keepers

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            @JB Gilpin: Thanks man, looks like I’ll be keeping LaVine then, and hope Martin gets traded.

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              @Vince: Cool hope it works out man! And remember if Ily starts with a hot couple of weeks, he’s probably just one ankle away from being out a while…

  49. Jim says:
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    Welcome back, JB! Good work on the top 150. One of my favorite parts of fantasy basketball is doing player comps. Last year I took what you guys were saying about Draymond Green and did a comp and ended up with Kawhi Leonard as a close match. We were able to find a 2nd round value player as a last pick or even a FA pick up. Awesome stuff!

    This year (what might be the first of many), I ran Andrew Wiggins. Yahoo originally had him 82, I think he’s going around 60 now, and you guys have him top 25. Here’s the comp:

    Wiggins Early career season
    FGM FGA FG% 3PM-A 3PT% FTM – A FT% REB AST TO ST BLK PTS
    6.1 13.9 43.7 0.5 1.5 31.0 4.3 5.7 76.0 4.6 2.1 2.2 1.0 0.6 16.9

    Player 2 Early career season
    6.0 14.3 42.2 0.4 1.5 26.1 4.3 5.3 81.0 3.3 2.0 2.0 0.8 0.3 16.7

    Player 2? DeMar DeRozan

    I think with this, I’m leaning towards Wiggins in that 55-65 “DeMar DeRozan skill set” draft range. (Your projections are similar for the 2 also). I think he has a higher ceiling than DeMar, but he would be capped by the same lack of 3’s and steals unless he found a way to shoot 50% from the floor and 85+% from the line–both on high volume (which the volume should be there). He certainly has the potential as he is already electric at times.

    Do you buy this or am I missing something about Wiggins that I need to think about him earlier?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jim: Hah, I totally remember that comp! Unfortunately, that one helped my argument, and this one doesn’t!

      Yeah, Slim thinks I’m a tad high on Wiggins, hence his projection not resulting quite to my rank. Def think he can be 80-85% FT in a high volume. 50% FG might be tough.

      So with the comp on this one, it’s Wiggins’ rookie year vs. DeRozan’s 3rd. And Wiggins already blows him out of the water in STL/BLK. I also think Wiggins gets to 20 PPG this year vs. DeRozan in his 5th season. I think upside is so big, especially for a monster 2nd half, that im paying the premium

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        @JB Gilpin: Nice! Fair enough! If a 5th year DeRozan line is bottom, you can do a lot worse! You never know…sometimes these super young athletes can make crazy jumps as they grow. Look at Kobe? Similar 15-16 ppg rookie player who figured things out and became a great. The 3-ball eventually came around once his mid range game polished. I can definitely see a similar path for Wiggins when he puts it together.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Jim: Exactly, seeing how Wiggins is just so much more athletically gifted than most of the league, then seeing it translate in 2nd half numbers was so encouraging. I still worry about the treys, but everything else is there with low TO. I’m pumped

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            @JB Gilpin: It should be documented here that Wiggins shot over 50% on 3’s and hit around 1.5 per game in the FIBA tournament. Even though it’s a totally different setting, that’s a great sign that he’s working on that deep ball and helps your breakout argument quite a bit! It was enough for me to buy into your hype at #56 in my Yahoo draft yesterday…haha! “All in” with ya!

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              @Jim: Thanks man! Yeah I think the 3s will be OK like 0.5ish while Kmart is still there, but hop up towards 1 once he’s traded. Glad you’re in with me!

  50. A Hill O' Beans says:
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    Thanks for the rest of the rankings and projections guys. I love that you are sooooo far ahead of every other site with having your projections out already Slim. Thanks for that!

    I’m looking at them for my REL right now and most of them are pretty close to what I had initially as my projections, though you were a little more optimistic with your minutes for a few of my guys.

    It looks like I’ll be keeping 12 guys, which should leave me about $50 to spend on the final 5 spots. For my 12 keepers, based on Slims projections, it looks like they will have an average stat line of .458 / .760 / 0.9 / 13.9 / 6.0 / 2.4 / 1.1 / 0.7 / 1.9 :31 which looks like a pretty solid start to me. Sort of like a cross between DeMarre Carroll and Otto Porter. It’s nice that my average age when the season starts will be 24yo too. Where do you think a player with that stat line would rank?

    I was hoping to prorate that stat line out across my roster and see where it would rank over the season against league stats in each category from last year’s REL. Unfortunately I can’t find anywhere that shows the actual final stats for each REL team last year, only the standings in general. Anyone know where I could find final team stats from last year’s REL?

    • Slim

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      @A Hill O’ Beans: Yeah you’re way ahead of most. Couple of things I guess. The percents don’t take into account volume but whatever that’s way too much work. In a 12er 9cat I look for my player’s average of about 1/15/6/4/1/1 for counting stats. So in a 20er like the REL if you hit any of those then you’re probably in the top 5 for that category. So steals and boards look good, points and 3s are fine, assists and blocks then would be targets. All you need is Draymond! Turnovers seem a little high and if you get more high TO guys then you’re going to lose that one to almost everyone. But in a league this deep I think punting something offers alot more pluses than minuses. Well when done right, like since I punt FG% I MUST win FT%. When I’m losing FT% punting FG% does me no good.

      Y! says my team is gonna suck. My only top 75 guy is Lillard and top 100 guy is Wiggins. I’m really not surprised though. My team is so young.

      I don’t think Y! keeps track of that once the year closes. Just the final roster, transactions, and messages.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @A Hill O’ Beans: @Slim: Yeah man we’re pushing it! Def a round of applause for Slim working with all the numbers.

        Yeah it looks like Yahoo only archives the matchup W/L and final rosters, not stats compiled… I think the only way to track it is to save the final stats before it archives/erases the league.

        Whoa, you guys are way on top of it! Lemme see what my averages will be as Slim’s projected. it sounded too fun not to put it together:

        10 players of:

        .458/.770/1.13/13.3/5.24/2.99/1.15/0.76/1.77

        I didn’t average the minutes. Funny we had the same FG%! Shocked to see you close in steals, you’re the Noel owner right? Guess that helps. I should be dominant in steals.

        And I’m actually keeping 11, since my Monta trade has me needing cheap depth, so back to holding onto Snell for $1. Although I think my average age might even be younger, I’ve got a young team. I think I’m gonna be solid.

        • A Hill O' Beans says:
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          @JB Gilpin: Your team average looks pretty solid JB. Those keepers are taking up most of your budget though, right? What have you got, about $19 for the final 5 spots or something? Gonna be tough to fill out your bench anywhere close to those averages though. I knpw the last couple will be $1 fliers most likely, but no Miles Turner for you!

          We’re very close in FG%, STL and BLK eh? I do have Noel, but I’ve also got Oladipo, George, Middleton, and Carroll too. I’m pretty sure I won’t be losing STLs too often, though our matchup should be close again.

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        @Slim: I did the FG and FT volume estimates myself for each player, so average stats take volume into account. Of course I only had to do 12 players so it’s a little easier for me. DeRozan, George, and Oladipo are dragging my FG% down in a high volume, but they’re also the three highest volume guys propping my FT% up. As a group my guys average 11.4 FG attempts and 3.4 FT attempts per game.

        All I need is Draymond, haha, and he only costs $1 too, so it should be no problem! I agree that I should be good in most cats, but TO, BLK, and AST will need work if I wanna compete in them. IF I wanna compete in them.

        Yahoo definitely likes my team, 6 guys in the top 75. They criminally underrate Wiggins though, and they don’t like Porter (140 vs 106), Gordon (164 vs 102), or Schroder (260! vs 134) nearly as much as you guys. You always do well at the draft so I think you’ll be fine Slim.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @A Hill O’ Beans: @A Hill O’ Beans: Yeah I’ll be an expensive date. Here’s how I look now:

          PG Ricky Rubio $30
          PG Monta Ellis $23
          SG Brandon Knight $15
          SG Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12
          SF Kawhi Leonard $37
          SF Wilson Chandler $11
          PF Patrick Patterson $4
          PF
          C Serge Ibaka $40
          C Hassan Whiteside $1
          UTIL Zach LaVine $6
          UTIL Tony Snell $1

          6 spots open, for an even $20 remaining. At least I have both youth and no expensive, non-contributing players. I can afford to fill out with the bargains. And it’s a good year not to have to buy rookies.

          I didn’t pro-rate my averages for minutes, but minus those two UTIL guys, they’re all 30+ min players. Maybe not PitPat. And Ibaka and Whiteside can carry blocks alone which is nice. It’s a lot easier to hit on filler bigs than filler gaurds for $1-$5 in the draft, why I did the Ellis deal. And damn look at that balance. No glaring deficiencies, I could sneak a 9-0 win this year at some point. I’ll prob lose TO 80% of weeks just because I have good G depth.

          I got 5 top 64 guys, but then no one to 117 (Patterson). Although they have Chandler and KCP underranked.

          Slim will have a good team, but he reminds me of mine from last year. A lot of youth with huge upside for a big 5-6 year run maybe a year out. Lillard tanking FG% won’t help haha

          • Slim

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            @JB Gilpin: I think you’re still a little shy in assists. You have one starting PG and a couple combo guards. The boards look a little scary too. You’re getting like 60% of them from 2 guys. Would it be bad if I compare Whiteside to Larry Sanders? Or are we just better off never mentioning that name again? Man… your team would be so much better if you just had Josh Smith! hehe…

            RE:Lillard. “Thath’s the idea” – The Hangman

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Slim: Boooooo, you’re just mad I got Whiteside on the cheap!

              Nah, I think I would beat you in boards as is. Of course, if one gets hurt, I could be in trouble. And dimes, maybe you’re better, but you’re an elite G team too. I think we’re top 3-4 in dimes. Rubio alone is going to win me assists if he stays healthy. I think you’re underrating having a top-5 dimes guy plus two decent combo G.

              • Slim

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                @JB Gilpin: I wasn’t comparing to me. I was comparing to the rest of the league, esp the top. Like Yorkies with Lowry, Deron, Teague. Or Youth Movement with Conley, Reggie, Collison. Pete with CP3 and Jrue. Greg Kite with Curry, Harden, and Wroten. I don’t think you are in the top 5 and honestly I’m not sure I’m even top 10 in assists. But I’ll be fine…

                Comparing our teams is kinda pointless considering I’ve got like $40-$45 more come draft day. Considering your draft money you should be the top guy right now. With $65ish I could add a heck of a big and a PG. How would my team look with lets say Mudiay and Turner added in?

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Slim: Someone is in a salty mood! Hah, I think I’ll be pretty good. I was competitive in assists some weeks even with Rubio out so long, even against better teams. Yorkies, yeah him. Youth? I think I would top that. Pete, I’d top that, esp. with Jrue on minutes limits. Greg Kite – yeah he should be top end there.

                  Yeah you’d look a lot better with both those guys, but damn rooks are gonna go high. Like I said a few comments up, it’s a good year to not go after rookies. Love Turner and Porzingis, but the guards and Okafor I think are gonna go wayyyyyy too high

                  • Slim

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                    @JB Gilpin: So I decided to do mine…

                    0.97/13.9/5.89/2.78/0.99/0.69/1.75 :31

                    is what I came up with. I’m closer than I thought I would be considering I’m holding a lot of low end guys. Galloway, Goodwin, Holiday, Adams all without too many min. I need 2 players. A 3s/ast/stl PG and a shotblocking big (with 3s would be nice but not required). And I’m looking at about $65 for 4 spots.

                    I agree the PGs are going to be expensive but their high draft pick PGs with tons of upside. They should go for more than $30 and since I punt FG% and I’m not too high in TOs Mudiay would fit pretty well with his high end ast/stl upside. Then again so does Russell. I’ll be in on Towns till he hits $40, he should and will. I don’t think Okafor goes for as much as you think. I’d say under $30. Certainly less than Porzingis and Turner.

                    That all said I think this is actually a really good year to go for rookies since the top 11 (besides Hezonja) all look to have a sizable role. Upside plus they will help now. That’s what we want from our rooks. And there’s plenty after that that several people will want. Oubre on top of that list, but Anderson, Booker, Grant, RHJ should all play from day 1 and Lyles, Payne, Vaughn with questionable roles but very good upside. The bigs in this draft are so much better than last years. Embiid, Gordon, Randle, Vonleh, Saric, Payne, Nurkic. Yikes. Nurk was the only one even ownable in their rookie year.

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                      @Slim: Hah Myles Turner seems to fit pretty well! We’ll see, I could see Okafor going higher if he’s nominated after those guys and they both get into the $30s which they should.

                      Hmmm good point, I guess I’m just jaded because I shoulda bought Wiggins last year 🙂

  51. Matty says:
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    Beauty! Great job getting the top-200 tweaked and out to us just as all the kiddos are back to school. While the youngsters are stressing over calculus and who was the 14th American president, us degenerates can be pouring over Slim’s projections and JB’s love of young Euros (viva Bjelica!)…

    Seeing the bump for Beverley made me think of something – are there any rumblings of Lawson facing any sort of suspension as a repeat offender of substance abuse/personal misconduct? I agree that he’s probably one more mis-step from being blacklisted by the league, but what about the DUIs that have already happened? Does his rehab stint absolve him of wrongdoing in the eyes of the league? That will matter big time for a lot of players, but particularly Harden (usage rate/TOs/ASTs), Lawson (obviously), and Beverley (increased minutes/role if no Ty).

    I can’t believe how shallow the PG pool has gotten. There are so many potentially valuable guys at that position who have big red flags attached to them:

    Lawson (see above)
    Jrue (leg/minutes restriction?)
    Kyrie (knee/no run ’til New Year?)
    Deron (new team, health)
    Rubio (ankle/trade?)
    IT2 (starter/minutes)
    DRose (health)
    Jennings (achilles/trade?)
    Rondo/Collison (starter/minutes distribution)
    Knight (ankle)

    I’m not sure I want ANY of those guys on my teams…at least not at market value (i.e. anywhere near their ADP).

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Hah I’m glad it’s put together! I was really happy with our rankings work last year, and we’re even further ahead this season. Viva Bjelica indeed! Wish he was in a less crowded rotation…

      PJ Tucker had that “extreme DUI” last year and got like 2 games. I’d be shocked if it’s more than 4-5. So I didn’t factor it in too much.

      Yeah PG is so friggin thin! Of those, I could see getting IT2 or Rubio, maybe Knight/Deron, and that’s about it. MCW is another huge red flag for the list! It’s sooooo bad. Why I NEED to have a pick top 9 to get a top tier PG or assists source! (LeBron)

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        @JB Gilpin: Right! I forgot about the “extreme DUI” from last year. I wonder what the ratio is for your garden variety drunk driving instances equaling one “extreme DUI”? 3:1, 5:1? Would somebody just call these dipsticks a flippin’ Uber already! It’s hard enough navigating through the barren wasteland of fantasy PGs without the dark cloud of potential suspensions floating above.

        Looking forward to our RCL tomorrow night. Tell ya what – if I’m drafting 9th and you’re in the 10 spot, I’ll totally let Kyrie slide to you. (You’re welcome.)

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Matty: Haha yeah get these guys a driver! They can afford it!

          Hahahaha thanks man! I’ll type STEAL in all caps when Kyrie falls to me at 10 🙂

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        @JB Gilpin: JB, wouldn’t you say that pushes Harden/Curry ahead of Davis? Because PGs seem scarcer than shot blockers this year. There’s a bunch of great bigs but only a few great PGs and a couple big assist wings (Harden/LeBron).

        • JB Gilpin

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          @CTMN: Interesting thought… I think I’ll still stick with Brow because his overall 9-cat game has just so much more upside than anyone else – the metrics (BBMonster/Yahoo per-game, etc) agree. It also helps that in the clear top 3, there’s two big assist guys and just the one blocker. Really any way you splice it, 1-3 is a great spot to be in. I’ll like Brow+something+Bledsoe better than Curry/Harden+something+something, especially if I expect Gobert to be off the board.

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            @JB Gilpin: Valid point

  52. Chris says:
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    I noticed you dropped Kawhi down for h2h reasons (bad playoff sched)…..where would he rank if it was 9cat roto?…

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      @Chris: Yeah it was a big factor, Roto he stays 10ish for sure, if not higher. Might even take him over Westbrook and Wall since those TO are so so bad. Maybe even Cousins. 7-8 range.

  53. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP GUYS?!!! YO!!! jb, we need 1 more team in our league for the draft tomrw.

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      @MAC: We good now!

  54. I’m a bit torn, I’m in an 18 teamer, keep up to 4 each year with salaries that increase on a sliding scale

    Keep Nurkic at $10 or Jordan Clarkson at $10 as my 4th keeper?

    Guards tend to score higher as its a fpts league,I am all aboard the Nurk hype train, but with the injury and the fact that LAL is a wasteland especially once Kobe gets hurt again …. And obviously your ranking is making me think

    I have Harden $56, MILLSAP $39, Monroe $31 and then one of those two above at $10 is my plan?

    I could potentially keep both, throw MILLSAP back And save $29 more for the auction?

    Add keeps price tags up, subcategory from $200 and that’s what we have to buy our 4 at the draft, then there’s a 5 round snake reserve……. Thoughts!?

    • @Trophy Tony: subtract from $200! Damn autocorrect

      So it’s harden, MILLSAP, Monroe and Nurk or Clarkson and I have $64 to draft, which is ok not much tho. OR

      harden, Monroe, Clarkson and Nurk and go in with $93

      Could buy MILLSAP back…….?

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Trophy Tony: Yeah I think I gotta take Clarkson over Nurk.

        Ummmm, Millsap at only $8 more than Monroe has me thinking he’s a hold for me. In an 18er, he’s probably going to go higher. So I’d hold Harden/Millsap/Monroe/Clarkson and feel really good with that core heading into the draft. Great start for an 18er.

        Thanks for stopping by!

  55. Tim says:
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    Love this site guys and must say I find myself agreeing a lot more your rankings than I do with other websites. Just wondering if it is possible to get Slim’s projections in a format that is sortable like Excel? This would be a massive help for draft strategy and on draft day!
    Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Tim: Thanks so much man! Really appreciate that, and for dropping by!

      Yup, we’ll have all his projections in a spreadsheet, hopefully in the next week or two. That kind of technical wizardry to post on the site is a tad above my paygrade, so we have the tech guys help out on that haha. I’ll be sure to reply back when it’s live.

      Thanks for coming by!

  56. Sander says:
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    Hello!

    I´m new here and seems I found a good place to get an edge over my friends this year. This site has a lot of good knowledge and people really seem to have some profound wisdom of the league and players.
    So my friends and I have a 12 Team (15 players in the team) H2H 15 category (usual 9cat+3%, OREB, AST/TO, DD, TD, TW (team wins)) league. I know it seems somehow different or I really have not seen a lot of such leagues. So I was second last year (Want a win this year 😀 )and have the 11. pick, 14. pick 35, 38, etc. this year.
    I would like to know what people think should my strategy be? I myself have been thinking that you could punt a few categories(max. 5) and go for first 2 picks DeAndre Jordan and Drummond(punt FT% and PTS; maybe even go as far and punt AST, AST/TO too, because of the low number of good PGs)? 3. & 4. pick could be something like Noel and Lowry?
    Mostly weeks end with a score like 9-5-1 or 8-6-1 = TD is more like a extra point that happens sometimes. In my league i think Drummond, Jordan, Aldridge, maybe even Love will go at 11-20. Don´t you want to give Love some “LOVE” 😀 … now that Kyrie might be out for some time, means more touches for him? I might have some different views about some ranks, but I understand that these ranks are right now in a vacuum and everything depends on what kind of a team you are building. Is it not better to start your draft with guys, that give you really the top value in their categories, with some bad categories (exception TOP 10) or go more with a balanced stat sheet?

    Foe example: 11 – Jordan; 14- Drummond; 35- Noel; 38- Rubio; 59- MCW; 62- Rondo … could this be an OK beginning in my league when I am “punting” FT%, 3s,3%,TO, PTS. ? (25 AST, 50 REB, 9 STL, 7 BLK ) for 6 guys does not seem that bad?

    I hope to read a lot of good articles in the future and wish Razzball all the best in their hard work!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Sander: Thanks so much for dropping by, really appreciate it!

      Definitely a different league 🙂 Yes with more categories, definitely a good league to punt at least one category. DeAndre and Drummond (and even Whiteside) are all awesome awesome picks given the extra rebounding cats. Well the Cavs have said they’re going to take Love slow too… So I’m still not buying too much in, but your format likes him more than 9-cat.

      In your format, yeah definitely the big category guys like DJ/Drumm go way up, the well-rounded guys drop a tad. All because of the more categories, so you want to get the guys who can win those + hit those extra rebounding cats. In 9-category, I like to try and stay balanced since losing 1 or 2 categories from the onset makes it harder to get wins every week. For example, DJ/Drumm early means you’ll def lose FT% plus probably Pts and Ast in most matchups. So it’s a 6-3 win, then if you lose steals and 3s with your other guys doing bad, it gets tough.

      So yup – all those guys you mention go higher! I don’t know if I’d get MCW or Rondo that high still – I know you’d need PG – I worry about their playing time a little bit.

      Hope that helps, appreciate it!

  57. kai says:
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    keeper advice time!
    12 team
    13 roster
    h2h 9 cat
    8 keepers

    for sure keeping: rubio, klay, hayward, noel, gobert, deandre
    how do you feel about korver at $12, demarre at $8, or mcw at $14? any of them worth it?

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      @kai: Yo! So $200 budget right? What is your budget like with those 4. I think FT is a punt, so I like MCW for you since you need PG. I’d likely want to fill out my 8, so if it’s not too much budget, I’d hold Demarre. Worried about Korver off the two surgeries

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        @JB Gilpin: $93 total for rubio, klay, hayward, noel, gobert, deandre in $200 league. ft% is pretty obviously a punt, yeah. going to be targeting Payton with leftover $$ if he is not kept.

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          @kai: Gotcha, so DeMarre plus MCW into that would be $117. I think with that core, and good values being kept on other teams, I’d keep them and have almost 50% your budget for other guys. Payton def fits well! Mudiay too, those bigs help FG%

  58. kev says:
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    Keeper question…..
    I’m planning on keeping Harden (no brainer), and two more between Gordon Hayward, Whiteside, and Jeff Teague. By keeping 3 players, I’m forgoing the first three round picks. Also, since I won last year (thanks to you guys), I will be picking last every round this year….

    Thanks!!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kev:Thanks for dropping by! Gotcha, so what is the league size? If 10 or 12, I might let all of those guys go and get the early picks… To be sure, you can keep Harden, then get a late 2nd round and late 3rd round pick? I think all 3 of those guys aren’t quite worth a late 2nd rounder, especially if your draft seeding means whatever teams keep 3, you get to go ahead of them… Let me know how that works in your format, but if it goes that way, I might keep Harden and keep that earlier pick. But it’s damn close… If picking 3 keepers now I would go Whiteside and Hayward with Harden

      Hope that helps!

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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks for the reply! It’s a 12 man league. Yeah, so basically if I don’t keep the other 2, I will get 12th pick in round 2 and round 3. Yeah, from what I’ve been seeing from you and other sources, Whiteside, Hayward, and Teague aren’t 2nd or 3rd round worthy.

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          @kev: Yeah they’re all fringy. So I’d def throw them back it sounds like, and just to check one more time, if a team keeps all 3 they forfeit their picks, so it’s the 12th pick in the 2nd round but you’re one of the first picks amongst people not keeping 3 assuming most teams keep 3 right?

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            @JB Gilpin: Yup that’s correct. I will be picking 12th every round. But if I only keep Harden and assuming everybody else keeps 3 players, I will be picking first in round 2 and round 3. Or let’s say two other owners only keep 1 player each, I will pick 3rd (after them) in round 2 and round 3.

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              @kev: Yeah that’s what I thought, yup I’m throwing them back in hopes of a nice upgrade at especially that first pick

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                @JB Gilpin: Sounds good, thanks so much for the help!

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                  @kev: Any time!

                  • kev says:
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                    @JB Gilpin: An owner is offering to trade Milsap and his 9th pick for a 4th round pick… how high are you on Milsap this year?

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                      @kev: I guess this really interest me because this way I would feel better about keeping Hayward as a 3rd selection and Millsap as my 2nd round keeper.

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                      @kev: Damn that sounds like a no-brainer! Love Millsap, easy top-15 for me

  59. Nate says:
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    I think Rodney Hood has potential to be a steal this year. I think you have him ranked a little too low and some guys ranked higher than him that just should not be ranked higher than him.

    Dwight Powell, Archie Goodwin, Langston Galloway are some glaring examples. I think Hood showed way more potential than any of those guys last season. Some others would be James Johnson (great ability, no consistent PT) & Tony Wroten who kills your %’s and TO’s and now has even more competition with the Marshall signing.

    Then you factor in the Exum injury and Utah not exactly loving Burke anymore. A lot of uncertainty with who will slide over to which positions/who will start, namely Burke/Neto. Hell, i have even seen some project Burks playing some PG minutes, possibly leaving the SG starting spot open for Hood?

    Hood still has scoring potential off the bench imo and he can give you nice %’s (he shot pretty well to finish the season last year), 3’s & pts.

    The thing that kind of lifts him above being a ThrAGNOF player, is his ability to get you some steals.

    Also, don’t forget Utah shut him down very early in SL and this was before the Exum injury. Whether this was just a precaution or if he was really not 100% idk.. IMO, worth a late round pick over some of those guys ranked ahead of him here.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nate: Well I love Burks, but I don’t think they want to start him at the 1. They want him to play the 2 and score, and not worry about facilitating, but he will play some PG at times.

      Also remember these are for 12 team leagues. I don’t see how Hood will be ownable, and he doesn’t offer the upside with the role as your “glaring examples”. Galloway was top 100 last year! Of course I don’t see that happening again… But he can be must-own if Calderon is hurt.

      Per-36 – 1.0 steals a game for Hood. Meh. I think he’s a solid player, but certainly on the outside looking in for a final spot on a 12er roster for me, but definitely can’t fault the flyer on him with a last pick!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        I knew you would throw that per 36 spg at my face! :p

        I don’t agree with the roles part though. Galloway is for sure going to have to compete against Grant/Afflalo for minutes now.

        I can definitely see why you would prefer him over Hood, if going by last year’s production but IMO no way does Galloway do that again with the new NYK roster.

        JB i was hearing the latest podcast and my, you murdered Bjelica’s name. lol.

        His last name can be pronounced like Bee-Yeh-Lizza (like pizza) or Bay-Yah-Lizza (like pizza again). I’ve heard it pronounced both ways.

        Here’s a press conference and fast forward to 8:40 to hear him pronounce his own name.

        https://youtu.be/fGpIgLj3o7M?t=520

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Nate: Haha well great minds think alike! Well, on the steals thing 🙂

          Agree Galloway is no way getting back to those numbers, but Calderon injury risk and Grant’s uncertainty as a rookie I think is easier to break into minutes than Hood over Hayward and Burks. Also I like the guy who could fall into a couple of assists. They’re close though!

          Damnnnnnn not even close! Almost sounded like Bay-Litz…

  60. Matty Rosales says:
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    Hey JB,

    I just stumbled upon your articles a couple of weeks ago, and they make for some good fantasy basketball reading!

    I see you have Aaron Gordon in your top 100, and I absolutely love his upside, but I’m a bit hesistant to draft him in the 8th round due to lack of minutes. With Vucevic being a stud and Harris signing a juicy contract, can Gordon break the 25 mpg mark?

  61. jon says:
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    Alright, Slim & JB – got a doozy for ya. I’m drafting soon in a nutso-intense, 16-tm, 8-cat H2H Dynasty league. We’ve got $400 of Auction budget for the draft, which also acts as a salary cap for the year that we may not exceed. Whatever value we draft a guy at, that becomes his salary for the first year. The cap goes up by 5% each year and salaries go up by 20% each year. When drafting, we can assign our guys 1-4 year contracts.

    Positions are: PG, SG, SF, PF, C, G, F, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL

    *Each team has a minor league squad, consisting of up to 5 players. Any player placed in the minor league squad will not count toward the salary cap. Eligibility for the minor league squad is for any players who have yet to play in an NBA game at the start of the season (rookies, unsigned draft picks, etc.)

    Them’s the nuts and bolts. What I’m after from you fine gentlemen is a little bit of strategy advice. This is my first auction and it’s gonna be a doozy. Here a few things I’m curious about?

    1) Obviously gotta be flexible with how the draft proceeds, but what kinda strategy would you guys enter with as far as allocating that $400? I’m working on translating projections into dollar values, but wondered if you’d plan to pay up big for a few guys, load up on 2nd-3rd round types and let others shell out for first rounders.

    2) I’m not sure what to do with the minors squad, other than stash Internationals there who haven’t come over yet (Saric a good example). Am I missing something?

    3) Any players in this setting or format who would SHOOT up your draft board given the Dynasty and settings? I’ve got a list of Dynasty ranks I’m working from, but obviously wanted the RazzBall approval!

    4) How do you view a Punt strategy in this kind of setup, given that it’s Dynasty? I’m inclined to think it’s a little more dangerous since – if punting doesn’t work the first year then I end up with a very imbalanced squad going forward. If I am gonna punt a category or two, I’d like to try to zag in the cats I punt (AST? FG%?) where other people are doing traditional punts (FG%). You know someone is draft DJ, Drummond and Howard.

    Thanks a million! I’ll keep an eye on this and follow up.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jon: Yo awesome sounding league! 1 – Well quick and dirty is double what other sites have as their projections for a range. I would imagine even more than double for the top tier guys, i.e. like $170-$180 for Brow. In our 20 team REL, rosters are even deeper as well, and I planned on getting a top end guy but ended up with more the mid-round guys. Kinda glad I did as Ibaka and Kawhi are still keepers. I’d definitely try to get 2 PG, with one high end. Hardest to find an maintain in deepers. 2 – Can you “promote” minor league guys to the majors? You could still draft the mid-tier rookies, see how they look before moving into the Majors, then swap them in. i.e. Hezonja, or Jerian Grant etc. 3 – PG and obviously the TO prone guys. Cousins, Westbrook, Bledsoe I think is the big one, since all his other cats are great. 4 – I’ve never been a punting guy, and especially in 8 cat, I wouldn’t punt since there’s less to bring it up. Certainly wouldn’t punt AST as then you tend to have worse guards and bad steals, and less usage so less dependability…

      Hope that helps man, good luck!

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        @JB Gilpin: Wow. You really think Brow goes for $170 or $180? Even with the cap going up 5% and salaries 20% ever year. That means Year 2 of Brow would be more than 50% of salary cap for one player.

        The deal with minor leagues is that they can only be put on there so long as they haven’t played an NBA game.

        Thanks for the help!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @jon: Yeah he’s at $73 in our 20 team REL and I think it’s actually a value. He’s been offered for trades, but I can’t make the budget work. The deeper the league, the more a stud like that is valuable, as long as you can feel good with mid-tier and sleeper guys around him. If he stays healthy and hits 3s, he’d probably be worth year 2’s inflation too. But that’s just a guess, you never know in an auction!

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            @JB Gilpin: Draft’s done! I know it’s hard without seeing other Auction Price, but here’s what I ended up with. It was crazy and bids were flying at the start. Starting budget was $400 (so twice the usual) and five of the $1 rookies/Euros will be stashed on minors. 16-team, 8-cat H2H Dynasty with 30-man rosters and the above-mentioned salary structure. We drafted 400 players.

            PG: Steph Curry ($126)
            SG: Andrew Wiggins ($61)
            SF: C.J. Miles ($8)
            PF: Kyle O’Quinn ($9)
            C: Rudy Gobert ($87)
            G: Monta Ellis ($31)
            F: Luol Deng ($9)
            UTIL: Enes Kanter ($25)
            UTIL: Jared Sullinger ($11)
            UTIL: Paul Pierce ($8)

            Bench: Jeff Green ($10), Norris Cole ($1), Steve Blake ($1), JJ Barea ($1), Vince Carter ($1), Trever Booker ($1), Samuel Dalembert ($1), James Young ($1), Jordan Mickey ($1), Anthony Brown ($1).

            Minors/Stash: Bobby Portis($2), Tomas Satoransky ($1), Bogdan Bogdanovic ($1), Marko Todorovic ($1), Sergio Llul ($1)

            So both the $1 bench rookies and minors/Euro stashes will get 4-year contracts and the minors guys don’t count against the cap. My last big step is to figure out contract lengths for all my starters. Salaries go up by 20% each year and cap only goes up 5% so I’m gonna have some tough decisions to make when assigning contracts to Steph, Wiggins and Gobert.

            I know that’s a ton of info, but any thoughts on the squad? My first ever auction and I’m still a little dizzy!

            Thanks, guys!

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              @jon: Nice! Damn yeah Curry at $63 (adjusting for $200) is a great value, especially to build around for a 16er 8 cat. Love the Wiggins pick, he’ll be worth keeping for 10 years even at inflation haha. Gobert sounds about right, but it’s nice to have a locked in big. Eesh, you got Monta for a STEAL!

              Enes will make boards fine, but any off week from Gobert and you’ll def lose blocks. He’s so so important to this team haha. I think your FG% might struggle at times too, a lot of shooters – again a bad week from Gobert accentuates that. But yeah you got some great values. I’d try to beat the league to the wire for big mean for some boards and FG%.

              Hope that helps!

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                @JB Gilpin: Thanks, JB! You’re right about the young guys and I love the way the core 3 guys complement each other. But they’re gonna get VERY expensive by year 3… Curry at $180, Gobert at $120, Wiggins at $87. I’m really gonna have to think about how long contracts (1-4 years) to give those big guys and adjust accordingly.

                Also, with 400 players – ain’t gonna be much on the wire! Still plenty of space to make a trade.

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                  @jon: Yeah you have a lot less to come on the wire, but it can still happen, we get up to 340 in the REL and a guy like Whiteside was picked up.

                  By year 3, that Wiggins deal is still gonna look awesome.

  62. kenny says:
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    12 team – 9 cat – ROTO

    I feel like I took advantage of the early Yahoo rankings and made out for the most part. Anything on my roster jump out to you? I was thinking I’m a little short on boards and possibly 3’s so it had me contemplating snagging a guard…

    1. (8) Damian Lillard PG
    2. (17) Rudy Gobert C
    3. (32) Eric Bledsoe PG,SG
    4. (41) Rudy Gay SF,PF
    5. (56) Derrick Favors PF,C
    6. (65) Andrew Wiggins SG,SF
    7. (80) Reggie Jackson PG,SG
    8. (89) Terrence Jones SF,PF
    9. (104) Danilo Gallinari SF
    10. (113) Myles Turner C
    11. (128) Jordan Clarkson PG
    12. (137) Jusuf Nurkic C
    13. (152) Aaron Gordon C

    notable FA’s:
    burks, stauskas, mo williams, lin

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kenny: LOVE IT! Dude that’s a monster, top 3 went great, then you got all my big sleepers so obviously very solid in my opinion haha. Nah I think boards will be fine, so unreal you got Turner and Gallo in the 100s, both went in 50s in my draft with readers haha. Maybe TO end up a tad high, but you’ve got that covered with so much goodness everywhere else, that’s close to a dream team in my ranks…

  63. Jay says:
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    Couple of quick questions JB & Slim. Hoping to get input from both of you… this pertains to 10 cat H2H in a 8 team league (FG%, FT%, 3PM, OREB, REB, AST, STL, BLK, PTS, TOs).

    From my Yahoo mock drafts (when are the ESPN mocks supposed to be available by the way?), my personal opinion is that winding up with the fourth or fifth pick this year is horrible. Assuming the big three are off the board, you’re faced with KD’s injury risk (which will basically make or break your season) or LeBron and him getting rested and racking up a few DNPs at the most crucial time of the year for us fantasy guys.

    That being said…

    1. If you were given the fourth pick, is it really worth picking KD over LeBron given his upside? Or should you take the more cautious approach and go with LeBron despite the inevitable happening going into the NBA playoffs?

    2. Along the same line, if you didn’t want to deal with either, is it too out of pocket to go with someone like DeMarcus, CP3, or Dame (maybe even Russ with assuming the likelihood of KD getting hurt again?) who provide more stability and who you know you’ll be able to depend upon?

    As always, great work with all the rankings and insight and whatnot. Appreciate y’all!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jay: Hmmmm, I don’t venture to ESPN much, so no idea. Glad Yahoo is working good I think they’re taking over the hoops market. Agree 4/5 isn’t too ideal. 1 – I still am going Durant, upside is he becomes the top player again. Of course the downside is awful and foot injuries are scary, but hell the clownfoot Brolo came off one and had an unreal 2nd half. 2 – It’s not out of the realm of possibility at all. Cousins sticks out as someone that goes well up. OREB helps, and one extra cat to minimize his TO damage helps. Plus in an 8er, you should be able to get plenty of PG going that route. Thanks for stopping by man!

  64. Todd Pierce says:
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    Hey JB- Big fan of the Razzball site and your NBA knowledge. I’m in a keeper league and was hoping you could advise on who to keep? We get to keep 4 guys plus any “smart drafted players” each year. I was an “expansion team” a few years ago so my roster isn’t filled with alot of young or upcoming talent but slowly building each year. We have an exclusive rookie draft so would also love your thought on which rookie to draft with the #4 pick this year?

    Here is my current roster:

    Guards:
    Ty Lawson
    Gordon Hayward
    Wesley Matthews
    Kevin Martin
    Mo Willians
    Ben McLemore- “smart drafted” so get get to keep him no matter what if I want

    Forwards:
    Lamarcus Aldridge
    Zach Randolph
    Draymond Green
    Markieff Morriss
    John Henson- “smart drafted”

    Centers:
    Joakim Noah
    Timofey Mozgov
    Nerlens Noel- “smart drafted”

    I’m thinking Lawson, Hayward, Aldridge, and Draymond as keepers plus my three “smart drafted” guys. Thoughts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Todd Pierce: Thanks so much man! Whoa “smart drafted” that’s a new one! How is that label applied?

      So locks for me are DrayDray Green and Hayward. Yeah I think you have to go Aldridge too, but damn his value took a huge hit unfortunately for ya. Lawson v. Morris v. Matthews for the 4th, and damn all of em have risk. Yeah without a PG I think Lawson too, and hope he stays off the sauce.

      PG is the biggest need, so at 4 I’d really hope Russell or Mudiay is still there. If not, then hoping for Myles Turner and try to feel out a trade for a PG or hope you get one that wasn’t kept.

      Hope that helps man!

  65. Todd Pierce says:
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    Thanks for the feedback and especially the guidance on the Rookie pick. As you can see I really need to start building a future with some young talent.

    Smart Drafted Player status is attached to any rookie you draft through either the rookie draft or through the regular free agent draft. If a SD player is traded then he maintains his SD status and if he is dropped through the season then he can be picked up within 48 hours to maintain his SD status. It basically just protects those guys on your roster and essentially gives you extra keeper spots if you want. So technically I can keep my 4 “keepers” and also my 3 SD players as well.

    Should I keep McLemore, Henson, and Noel? Futures for any of them? I think Noel has a decent future but not sure on the others.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Todd Pierce: Yup you’re likely in rebuild, but you have a nice start. Oh cool, that’s an interesting feature – so you get two years worth of rooks before deciding if they crack your keepers, I like that.

      What is the league size? Shallower, McLemore probably goes undrafted so maybe not him, but I’d probably keep Henson. Should start off strong. And Noel is def a lock. Unfortunately I’m not huge on Henson (Jabari will come back slow, but once he’s 100%, not too many minutes) or McLemore long term…

  66. Nico fray says:
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    I’m playing in a 20 man snake league this is the order I wanna draft let me know what u think
    1st- center / Drummond,Anthony,Davis,Cousins,Gobert
    2nd-center/power forward-griffin,m.gasol,vucevic,DJ
    3rd-small forward-Hayward,Gay,butler,khawi,Melo,okay
    4th-point guard-Bledsoe,r.jackson,D.williams,rondo
    5th-point guard-Lowry,mudiay,Payton,Jarrett Jack
    6th-Power forward-faried,favors,T.Harris,T.young,Dirk
    7th-shooting guard-derozan,oladipo,afalio,monta
    8th-small forward-Marcus Morris,galinari,Carrol,aminu
    9th-center-Roy Hibbert,mason Plumlee,robin Lopez
    10th-power forward-Robert Covington,randle,T.jones
    11th-point guard-trey Burke,Marshall,clarkson
    12th-shooting guard-Justin Anderson,bellenelli,Alec Burke
    Those are the players I want to choose each round what you guys think?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nico fray: Interesting going bigs early. Obviously if Davis or Cousins is there at the right spot you gotta take em, but 5-10 I think you gotta go PG to lock it up i.e. Paul, Westbrook, Wall, Lillard. Then swap an upside big with one of the 4/5 picks. Really doubt Bledsoe or Lowry fall to 4/5 round, and seems early for Mudiay for me. Aminu in the 8th is way too high for me. You’ll have to go much much earlier for T Jones. Clarkson has been soooooo undervalued, I might go 9th or 10th on him at the latest.

      Hope that helps, good luck in the draft!

  67. Spree says:
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    Hi JB, I am in a 18teams 14cats dynasty league and this coming season is going to be year 2. The cats are FGM, FG%, FTA, FT%, 3PTM, 3PT%, PTS, REB, OREB, DREB, ASTS, STLS, BLKS, TO. Each year we have to keep 4 players as keeper before the draft and I want to know which 4 would you pick between R,Rubio, R.Jackson, A.Drummond, J. Valancuinas, D.Favors, J.Nurkic. I would like to stay competitive while also thinking about the future. Drummond is definitely my franchise player and I am going to PUNT FT with him. I think in a 14cats format it is very doable to Punt FT right? And last question, what kind of players would you go for in the first two rounds of the draft after you decide your 4 keepers and how would you round up the team? Thanks a lot!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Spree: Yup, very smart thought on the deeper cats! FT% punt is a great route to go. Certainly agree Drummo is locked in as your main guy. I think given that strategy, Favors is an absolute lock at #2. Then for me, Jackson is #3. He’s a good fit with the extra cats (FTA, FGM), while the extra categories really don’t favor Rubio anywhere. So debate is Rubio vs. Valanciunas… Eesh, format loves Valanciunas, and he’s still really young. I’m a huge Rubio lover, but the format and the fact you’re thinking long term has me locking in Valanciunas and hope he expands his role with that contract. So definitely getting PG in the first few rounds – Elfrid Payton in punt FT and those extra rebounding cats is a monster, would love him early on. Mudiay later in the draft would fit well too, bad FG% is protected by the big men, and is a bad FT shooter. Hope that helps!

  68. Davey says:
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    hey man, ilyasova plays for detroit, is he starting?

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      @Davey:
      and uh to add something, are you updating this list later this month? thanks ill use this rankings in my future draft, worked last year, won my tournament, so maybe this year too

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Davey: Yes and yes and yes haha, I had it fixed last time but forgot to change my source spreadsheet, thanks for the catch. He projects to start. And will be updating as we move along as with the updates on this one, more frequently as we get into pre-season.

  69. EPH says:
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    Hey JB! What do you think of my current line up so far? Planning on getting Terrence Jones and Myles Turner next. I think I’m missing a bit on 3s though.

    11th Damian Lillard
    14th Draymond GREEN
    35th Rudy Gobert
    38th Hassan Whiteside
    59th Monta Ellis
    62nd Reggie Jackson
    86th Danilo Gallinari
    89th Elfrid Payton

    • JB Gilpin

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      @EPH: Yo dude! Nice, next two pick hopefuls, damn you’re solid so far! I actually think you’re fine on 3s – love Gallo this year, then 2-2.5 from Ellis and Jackson, Green will hit a few and a ton from lillard. Nasty team if you get those two PF/C guys!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        I trust you on that one! Looking to finish with a PG/C combo. I’m thinking Deron/Mirotic. Also considering Rondo for assists but kind of having second thoughts since he’s in a new team again.

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          @EPH: Yeah def like Deron and Mirotic more than Rondo, if they’re both avail in the 100s that’s a robbery. Especially D Will

  70. Eric says:
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    Why is howard so low isn’t he’s a monster just like drummond. I understand injuries holds him back. Can you please explain?

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      @Eric: Reason 1 – Weighted free throw percentage is a killer.
      Reason 2 – His durability is a major concern. He has missed 52 games in two seasons with the Rockets.
      Reason 3 – His minutes are in steady decline. Significant reduction each of last four years from a career-high 38.3 in 2011 to a career-low 29.9 last year.
      Reason 4 – Declining blocks. Down to 1.3 BPG last year from 2.4 just two years ago.
      Reason 5 – High TOs. Averages close to 3 TOPG from the C spot – that hurts.

      He’s a full blown DO NOT DRAFT for me. Even in per game value Howard was 154th last year (9-cat). In total value? He’s outside the top-200 due to all the missed time.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Eric: Yup what @Matty: said. Also Drummond should out steals him by a good margain, he didn’t get as many last year, but should be at 1.1-1.2 as opposed to 0.6-0.7 for Howard.

  71. H10 says:
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    I have the 4th pick in a 20-teamer, I`ll get Harden/Curry/KD with the 1st selection and then coming back I have the 37th. Should I go for Noel/Whiteside and feel good with not punting my FT and with the 44th go with a high FG PG in Dragic?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @H10: Nice, I’d despise like a 17th or 18th pick haha.

      Def getting a PG and a big as well, I think it’s a perfect strategy. Noel looked better at the line as the year went on, but I’m likely going Whiteside especially if you luck into Harden. Then yeah Dragic would be great at 44, maybe you luck into Teague, but def a PG

  72. Chris says:
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    I’m in a 12 team 9 cat roto league and one of the toughest decisions is which PG to draft in the 1st round between lillard, westbrook, and wall. I think I’ve finally settled on:

    1. Wall
    2. Lillard
    3. Westbrook

    My reasoning is bc it’s roto, I put Wall and Lillard ahead of Westbrook bc of Russell’s penchant for injuries and both Wall and Lillard being rocks for the past 2 years. Between Wall and Lillard, looking at their projected stats from Slim, we have:

    Wall
    Slim’s Projection: .440/.800/1.0/19.5/4.5/10.6/1.8/0.6/3.7 :36

    Lillard
    Slim’s Projection: .425/.860/2.7/26.0/4.6/7.5/1.2/0.3/3.0 :36

    I think Wall’s projection is pretty much in line with what he’s going to do next year (close to last year’s output with room to improve based on age and Pierce leaving). For Lillard, I expect the FG% to be 1% lower than projected at a high volume. I also see his projected steals dropping with the extra load on offence (0.8 to 0.9), with a rise in TOs (3.5ish) due to a usage that could very well lead the league. All things considered, I see Wall with an edge on FG%, assists, steals, and blocks with Lillard having an edge on FT%, 3ptm, pts, and TOs, with rebs being a wash. With the categories basically coming to a tie, I put more value on steals/assists/blocks rather than 3ptm/pts which I can get off waivers easier. I would even draft Westbrook over Lillard if you told me Westbrook would play the same amount of games. I just think Lillard is getting overhyped this year being the only dog in Portland. I see his FG%, TOs and steals trending in the wrong way with his Pts and 3ptm going up. Just my 2 cents. What do you think?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Chris: Yup Roto shakes it up a bit. I definitely agree Westbrook is 3rd.

      I think I’ll still lean Lillard in roto too. I think Slim is right on with FG% and the TO, I don’t think we can automatically assume they’ll be catastrophic after being a low TO guy before. Maybe a compromise at 3.25 would be fair. That’s still a good bit less than the really big Wall TO.

      While you certainly can get Pts and 3s off the wire, in roto I love the cat killers that can get me closer to the 12s in Pts and 3s. They’re certainly very very close though

  73. Gali says:
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    Yo JB. It’s my 2nd year playing fantasy and I’m still finding my ‘feel’ for my draft strategy. I agreed on most of your player projections (or kind of trusted your player opinions) so I decided to follow this ranking during mocks. Any thoughts on this lineup?

    12-team 9 Cat H2H

    1. (6) Chris Paul (LAC – PG)
    2. (19) Rudy Gobert (Uta – C)
    3. (30) Eric Bledsoe (Pho – PG,SG)
    4. (43) Andrew Wiggins (Min – SG,SF)
    5. (54) Greg Monroe (Mil – PF,C)
    6. (67) Reggie Jackson (Det – PG,SG)
    7. (78) Kenneth Faried (Den – PF,C)
    8. (91) Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
    9. (102) Danilo Gallinari (Den – SF)
    10. (115) Joe Johnson (Bkn – SG,SF)
    11. (126) Patrick Patterson (Tor – PF,C)
    12. (139) Alec Burks (Uta – PG,SG)
    13. (150) Aaron Gordon (Orl – PF)

    I passed on Myles Turner for like 5 times coz I thought he’s still available at the early 100s but turns out one of the pickers was quite high on him too.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Gali: Yo! Welcome to fantasy and hope you’re liking it!

      Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Bledsoe fell to 30?!?! Crazy, he seems to get reached for in drafts I’ve done due to PG runs. Love Wiggins obviously. Tjones and Gallo are gold. Yeah picks 1-9 I all have ahead of Turner and in my top-55, so yeah I obviously love this team 🙂 Starting with Paul and Bledsoe means you’d have the best 1+2 PG in the league. The RJax with it and Burks late.

      This would be a team of domination! Surprised even Gobert fell to 19

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        @JB Gilpin: He’s at 32 in Yahoo’s rankings. Guys over there are taking PGs like Irving, Lowry, Conley ahead of Bledsoe. I might as well do had I not been enlightened by your rankings lol

        BTW, are these stat projections computed using some formula of sorts or is it estimated based from previous seasons, projected minutes, and upside?

        • Slim

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          @Gali: Nah. No formula. Probably the most influential thing is my own personal bias… In all serious I try not to let my own bias get too in the way but it kind of has to to some degree, especially for the young guys who haven’t established themselves yet.

          I take every player as their own unique self, whether I believe or disbelieve each individual category from the previous season, whether they are declining or getting better, if smaller sample sizes show something the entire season, or career, doesn’t. How they perform with the starters vs the bench. And of course the talent around them and what I think they will do. I’d say I took between 5-10 min per player and tried to take as many things into account as I could and make the most educated guess I could. After all projections are really just guesses anyway. There are things that will always be impossible to predict, like Jimmy Butler last year, but there are others like Draymond last year that were fairly easy to see.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Gali: @Slim: Yup what Slim said! Yikes Kyrie over Bledsoe?? Gonna be a rough first few months for Kyrie owners…

            • Gali says:
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              @Slim & @JB Gilpin: Dope. All free for the love of the game. Kudos to you guys! Is there an imminent update in the rankings in the coming days?

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                @Gali: Yup Monday morning! I don’t imagine too much is changing quite yet though

  74. Hoffa says:
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    HEY! Love your guys work.

    I am doing an yahoo auction draft in a 14man league 9cat h2h for the first time.

    Any tips or things i should look out for? In terms of players to draft and the actual draft process?

    Any strategies to look for. (overpaying, drafting cheap-value guys early, top heavy expensive players, balanced value players)

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Hoffa: Thanks so much man! In auctions, I definitely employ the “stars and scrubs” strategy, since a lot of sleepers I have 50-80ish other places have ranked outside the top 100. Of the positions to overpay for – elite PG. It dries up really really fast. I’d almost get two of the elite PG, one pretty solid big, then fill out with values past that. Which players those will be you never know, the fun of an auction!

  75. Ryan says:
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    Chiming in on Jrue Holiday again… Coach Gentry announced that he is healthy, but will be on a 15-minute restriction until January and won’t play in back-to-backs. This still makes him borderline unownable of course, but maybe slightly bumps Reke&Gordon’s value because we now know they are guaranteed to have a higher workload?

    Oh yeah, and Anthony Bennett is buying out of his contract with the wolves. Who do you guys think will absorb those minutes? I can’t see Garnett playing a whole lot and idk how many Payne will play (Maybe 15-20? /more?). I’m really hoping that they just start KAT and Dieng at the same time, but I doubt that’d ever happen with Pek still in town.

    And lastly, I feel like I have to tell everyone how fudged up ESPN’s rankings are. Here are some that I saw in the 30’s alone. They had Jrue projected at 37, BroLo at 31, KAT at 34, and Draymond Green at 30.. Interestingly, they also have Hassan Whiteside projected to play 110 games??? I thought about adding 28 question marks, but I’ll restrain myself to three.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Ryan: Sorry again about the spam filter! Got ya below with it working.

      Hahahaha I didn’t see the WHiteside thing! Hilarious. Yeah I’m a Yahoo guy, and they obviously have issues too. Shoulda been 110 question marks! The Jrue one is ridiculous, if ESPN does what Yahoo does, they’ll have an edit in a few weeks

  76. Chris says:
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    I’ve been going over the 2nd tier of PGs for roto 9cat, and two players that I commonly see are available around early-3rd round are Eric Bledsoe and Jeff Teague. I see that you have Bledsoe ranked much earlier than Teague. I’m wondering what your reasoning for that is just bc when looking at Slim’s projection, I think Teague wins out. Does the ranking change for 9cat roto as opposed to h2h?

    Bledsoe
    Slim’s Projection: .450/.785/1.1/17.5/5.3/6.5/1.5/0.6/3.5 :36

    Teague
    Slim’s Projection: .455/.850/1.1/17.5/2.5/6.9/1.7/0.4/2.9 :32

    As you can see, Teague’s main advantages are in FT%, assists, steals, and TOs, while Bledsoe trumps Teague in rebs and blocks. I consider FG%, 3ptm, and Pts to be a wash. It seems to me that Teague excels in more categories and in my opinion, is less injury prone than Bledsoe (came off surgery a year ago). Regarding rankings, I’m assuming you and Slim are far off in terms of Bledsoe’s projections? If not, I’m not sure you can justify Bledsoe at #19 and Teague at #34 when Teague outpaces Bledsoe in the projection stats.

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      @Chris: I’m no JB or Slim, but I think one big advantage Bledsoe will have over Teague is minutes. The consensus is that Bledsoe is going to be a workhorse this season. I wouldn’t worry about Bledsoe’s injury history since he managed to stay healthy last year despite playing big minutes.

      Meanwhile we saw Teague on the bench a lot last season near the postseason and during most blowouts. With the same coaching staff and another competitive squad, I believe that this trend will repeat itself this season.

      I can see what you are saying though and agree that they really are not that far apart. The only other advantage Bledsoe has is that he will likely grab more boards and a couple more OOP blocks. Teague does have a definitive advantage in TO’s+FT%, but the gap in assists and steals is fairly negligible. I think you could probably justify picking Teague over Bledsoe if you have some solid bigs, but the minutes situation would still steer me towards Bledsoe.

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      @Chris: I think one big advantage Bledsoe has over Teague is minutes. The consensus is that Bledsoe is going to be a workhorse this season. He stayed healthy all last year and played big minutes despite being in a 3-guard rotation for the first half of the season. Teague on the other hand was benched often near the postseason and in blowouts. With the same coaching staff and competitive squad, I imagine that this trend will repeat itself this season.

      I see what you are saying though and agree that the two aren’t that far apart. The only other plus for Bledsoe is that he should grab more boards and get a couple more OOP blocks. Teague’s real advantage lies in TO’s and FT% since they are razor close in every other cat.

      I think you could justify picking Teague if you had some solid bigs, but the minutes and playoff schedule would steer me back to Bledsoe every time. If I’m not mistaken, I believe PHO has a fantastic playoff schedule while ATL has one of the worst.

    • Slim

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      @Chris: Yeah I think JB sees more upside than I do. I think the biggest difference though is that Bledsoe has a very secure role whereas Teague lost minutes to Schroder last year and got DNP-rest days. He is no sure thing. JB has zero input in my projections, he may refer to agreeing or disagreeing but he is definitely without control. The toughest thing with projections though is that just putting one set of numbers doesn’t tell the whole story. I think a better projection would be to give a floor, a ceiling, and then what I think will happen. I think if I did that for these two we would see a higher ceiling for Bledsoe but with the two having similar floors.

      In 9cat roto I might lean a bit more toward Teague with the lower TOs and better FT%, the extra boards are significant but that can be made up for elsewhere.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Chris: @Ryan: @Slim: Yeah I agree they’re closer in roto than H2h for the lower TO. Bledsoe’s high TO especially if your first rounder is a high TO guy will be tough to not tank the cat.

        In H2H, yeah it’s all about upside and minutes as the above mention. Schroeder looks great and Coach Butthole ran his starters such low minutes at time, given the Hawks had such a good record. I would put Bledsoe at lets say 19.5 PPG, and if the Morris saga turns into a trade over 20.

  77. Jamrock says:
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    JB+Slim, you guys are the best. Thanks for this and the podcasts.

    I have first pick in a 12 team H2H but I’m having a hard time planning those 24/25 and 48/49 turns if I take Brow! You pretty much have to pray that Bledsoe is there at 24. But what if he isn’t? Is there any other PG you can take at 24? It seems like without Bledsoe I’ll have to wait for that group in the 40s to get my first PG. What do you guys think? Thanks!

    • Slim

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      @Jamrock: Me and JB disagree on the 1st overall pick. I’m taking Curry. Better playoff schedule, granted he may miss a game with a DNP-rest but I don’t think so and all it does is make the schedules even anyway. Also the choices for big are plentiful at 24/25 whereas you have to reach for a PG, which if you get Brow 1st you absolutely should do. If Bledsoe isn’t there then it’s Lowry or Teague and I’m fine with it, you just can’t wait till 48 for your 1st PG. Then there’s the issue with Brow having issues making it through a full season. Maybe this is the year or maybe it’s just more of the same. Either way his injury risk feels much greater than Curry or Harden.

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        @Jamrock: @Slim: Well for injury, I’m just giving it barely a bigger amount of risk than the two other guys, while his upside could be crushing them in overall metrics. He was already better than them in per game last year. So upside outweighs risk. I’d be fine landing Teague then hopefully someone like Dray falls

        • Slim

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          @JB Gilpin: I think the injury risk is significant. 64/66/68 doesn’t leave me feeling too confident and if those 10 games missed come during the playoffs then we are SOL! Curry is 78/78/80 and Harden is 78/73/81 the past 3 years. I think the difference is pretty big. Kawhi at 58/66/64 is another one that just doesn’t seem worth the injury risk considering the other choices around him. If they were easily replaceable late picks I wouldn’t really care but for a 1st rounder I will pass.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: Yeah but is that really predictive of those two? I mean, Lowry I never drafted due to injury issues, 28/49/68/75/47, now 3 straight 68+. Then that happens to cut out Curry’s 26. I just don’t think there’s predictability there.

  78. SplashBoy says:
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    H2H – One win (9-cat) with 6 teams

    I have Steph, Demar, Bledsoe, Leonard, Millsap, Paul George, Horford, Gobert, B. Lopez, Dragic, Ariza, Nerlens Noel, Beal, W. Matthews, and Rubio.

    Based on a website’s rankings, my team is ranked last and I am seeking help to try to improve my team. Is there anyone that is overestimated in here that I could possibly trade to another team? And is my team that bad compared to the other teams?

    Other teams:

    1. Westbrook, Hayward, Monta Ellis, Melo, Vucevic Tobias Harris, Pau, Timmy D, Antentokoumpo, Holiday, Faried, Thompson, J. Parker, Smart, Clarkson

    2. Wall, Butler, Conley, KD, Love, Ibaka, Kanter, Boogie, Batum, Hill, Valanciunas, Payton, Gortat, Gortat, Martin, R. Jackson

    3. CP3, Kyrie, Kobe, LBJ, Griffin, Bosh, DeAndre, Monroe, Wiggins, Teague, Deng, Rose, Whiteside, D-Will, Towns, (Possibly strongest)

    4. Lowry, Harden, Klay, Draymond Green, Drummond, Nowitzki, M. Gasol, Randolph, T. Evans, Chandler, Favors, Knight, Lawson

    5. Lillard, Oladipo, D. Green, Gay, A. Davis, Howard, Aldridge, Jefferson, Noah, T. Parker, Korver, Wade, Kemba, MCW

    Plz reply how good I am compared to other teams and what kind of moves I should do to get my team to win. Thanks!

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      Also, with my roster should I get gallinari or terrence jones because they’re both on the waiver list and I have 2 empty roster slots

      Demare Caroll
      Isaiah Thomas
      Middleton
      Parsons
      Redick
      Okafor
      Hibbert
      T. Young
      Dieng
      Trey Burke
      Covingon
      Myles Turner
      R. Lopez

      Few Big names in the waivers

      • JB Gilpin

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        @SplashBoy: Gotcha, well starting at the bottom, yeah Gallo, Jones, and Parsons are all must-owns. IT2 as well. But obviously you don’t have 4 to drop. Matthews is out for Gallo for me. I have Beal and DeRozan ranked lower than those other 3 left, but your team needs scoring. I would probably go ahead and lose Beal for Parsons.

        Surprised you were ranked last… I would certainly try to pull 2-for-1 trades, I’m not big on the 3 I mentioned above as cuts, maybe you can trade 2 for someone. I’m huge on Wiggins, Beal+DeRozan for Wiggins?

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          Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately he didn’t give up Wiggins, but is Kawhi for Draymond Green a good trade. I was wondering why Draymond Green was ranked really high. I’m trying to two for one like you told me too. What other players should I potentially try to 2 for 1 that are underlooked?

          Again thanks for replying. This website is awesome, keep up the good work! All the way from Japan!

          • SplashBoy says:
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            Another team sent me this trade which sounds good, but I need help if I should accept it
            @JB Giplin
            Favors and Klay for Kawhi and Demar

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              @JB Gilpin:

              • Slim

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                @SplashBoy: I assume you are getting the Favors/Klay side and I say absolutely go for it. Klay and Kawhi are basically a dead heat and Carroll isn’t close to Favors.

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                  @SplashBoy: @Slim: Yup definitely taking that Favors deal! I like Klay barely over Kawhi, and Favors a ton over DeMar, and you don’t sacrifice scoring with the deal. I like the Draymond one, but this one is better.

                  Draymond gets a high rank since he does a little bit of everything, and should repeat last year.

                  Best 2-for-1 deals are the high end guys, Maybe Lillard as a nice target since he fits well, Brook Lopez+Rubio? Doubt it works, but can’t hurt to offer!

  79. Ryan says:
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    Yo JB, I made a few comments thanking you & Slim for your work, and replying to some other commentators that I felt had fairly simple questions. Alas it appears they were never posted. Idk if it was because I was using Microsoft Edge, but now I’m using chrome, so let’s see if it works.

    Anyways, I was curious to see what you thought of Minnesota’s big man situation with Anthony Bennett buying out of his contract. I know he only played about 15 mpg, but who absorbs these minutes? Dieng? I can’t see KG playing many minutes, and I think the same is true of Payne. I think it only makes sense for the Wolves to start both Dieng and KAT, but I doubt that will happen with Pek still in town and healthy enough to play.

    Also, Jrue takes another big hit. Coach Gentry said Holiday won’t play back-to-backs and will be limited to 15 mpg in all other games until January. Does this bump up Reke’s value a tad even though they now have a BU PG in Norris Cole? I had the Holiday+Evans handcuff last season and Reke was fantastic in my punt TO build during the former’s absence.

    • Slim

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      @Ryan: The missing comments is something for JB to look up, actually I see they went straight to the Spam folder. I have no idea why. Looks like this is working.

      You can probably see from my projections that I’m all in on Gorgui and Towns. I put Towns at 26 and Gorgui at 28 min. I think the main reason Bennett was bought out is because he wasn’t going to crack the rotation. I think with Pek healthy (he isn’t) his minutes will still be capped at the 24ish range, bringing Gorgui and Towns down a smidge from my projection, but when Pek sits (about as close to a guarantee as Bogut getting injured) then we should expect an uptick in Gorgui and Towns min. Garnett is capped at 18ish I think which means Payne is last big man on the bench, with Pek playing he might not get off the bench, with Pek down he should be the 5th big and get a few min. The biggest x-factor here though is Bjelica. He can play and he should play but I feel comfortable in saying he’s well behind both Gorgui and Towns. Once Garnett joins Pek on the far end of the bench I have a feeling Bjelica will be a 12er worthy player.

      Jrue is approaching being undraftable in 12ers. Cole isn’t much of a pass 1st PG so I do imagine Tyreke has a good chance of replicating most of what he did last year. The 2 kinda meh percents and high TOs are annoying but we can pretty much call him a PG with 6ish assists so the TOs are acceptable. The low 3s are annoying too so the upside is a bit capped and he isn’t without his own injury concern. Where JB has him (75) is ok. I think we might be able to bump him up a bit knowing how slowly Jrue is going to come along but he’s still well outside the top 50 I think.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Ryan: @Slim: So sorry about that! Yeah the automated underpants gnomes put them automatically in spam and I never saw them, very odd. Anyway, I found them and they’re saved!

        Yeah Dieng I was already assuming would play 25-28 minutes and I don’t think anything has changed that.

        Yikes, yeah I saw that news. And it’s not like you can stash him if you have IL spots since he’ll be playing. Reke will go up some and Cole will make the ranks for the update tomorrow

  80. Slim

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    About to get my NBA 2K16 on. I’ll give you 3 guesses for which team I’m gonna play but you’re only going to need 1.

    • Ryan says:
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      @Slim: Spurs… Haven’t played 2k in ages, do I dare ask what their rating is?

      • JB Gilpin

        JB Gilpin says:
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        @Slim: @Ryan: BROOKLYN NETS! MOST EXCITING TEAM EVER!

        • Slim

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          @JB Gilpin: Yeah I’m not even looking at the Spurs yet. Kinda funny though, Brooklyn was the 1st team I played against with MY Utah Jazz! They couldn’t stop the Hayward and Burks pick and roll with Gobert or pick and pop with Favors. And of course whenever Bogdanovic was in I could pretty much score at will. Oh and of course Neto never came off my bench because Bryce Cotton is in the game.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @Slim: Haha nice! Poor Bogdanovic…

            Well I don’t think you playing 2k15 makes you their GM! Hah, well if Cotton is the for-sure #2, he takes Neto’s spot and makes the ranks. Burke is still awful

  81. Jay says:
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    Great work! Is this list downloadable into excel?

    • Drew

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      @Jay:

      I second this– if y’all have it, getting your ratings/projections in an excel file or google doc spreadsheet would be awesome

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Jay: @drew: Thanks! Ummmm, I have to talk to the higher ups about having downloadable content, but I’ll ask. I can tell you that we will have them in a sortable spreadsheet on the site (by rank and sortable by slim’s projection), hopefully this week

  82. Moose Alces says:
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    First off, nice job overall.

    Next, I’m surprised Brandan Wright doesn’t make the cut. Won’t he be the first big off the bench in Memphis?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Moose Alces: Thanks man! Yeah he was one of the few just off. My issue with him is he has to have both an injury ahead of him, then be better as a starter than he’s shown over his career minus a handful of games late last year. That said, he’s going to make it in in the 190 range for tomorrow’s update. Thanks for stopping by!

  83. kai says:
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    just a quick Bjelica comment since he moved up –
    glad to see him on the list. i probably wouldn’t rank him any higher because I don’t expect anyone else to be drafting him. but i definitely think he’ll be a guy worth owning (top 130) by the end of the season. KG can’t play more than 20mpg and likely won’t play in back to backs. Bjelica is by far the most talented and stable forward behind KG, and should be the first off the bench. as far as fantasy goes, the key is that he should be a multicat contributor: good fg%, some points and rebounds, a 3, and especially out of position assists. the guy is an incredible facilitator and passer, and Flip/Mitchell both run a lot of their offense through the high post (remember when KG averaged 6 assists per game?!?!?!?!). i am a bit confused by Bjelica’s career ft%, but i also don’t see him getting to the line enough for it to really matter much. not much by way of defensive stats, though. keep an eye on him for sure.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kai: Yup I have him probably as high as he can go, barring – KNOCK ON WOOD – a big injury to Dieng or Towns. Then the healthy one goes to full-time C and Bjelica more PF mins. Really like his game as well, but yeah minutes will be inconsistent to start

  84. kai says:
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    also…Roy Hibbert plays for LAL now! makes him even more undraftable w that playoff schedule…

    w/news that Mahinmi will start, any value that Jordan Hill had is probably tanked

    I would rank whichever of CJ Miles / Chase Budinger starts at the very end of the draft. likely one of them will be a great streamer for 3s.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kai: Dammit! hah, yeah I have fixed that, but I guess didn’t fix my source spreadsheet. Fixed now, thanks for the catch!

      For a late blocks source, he’s Capela but with a for-sure role. But I’m priced out where I’ve seen him go.

      Yeah the uncertainty there has neither in, and both are streamers at best. But if one comes out as for-sure starting, they’ll likely crack in

  85. Slim

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    I actually know someone who had that hybrid knee surgery. It’s designed to speed up the healing process and it worked for her. I know though, lots of big words scares me too. But seriously I’ve been told the reason they do that hybrid thing is specifically to improve recovery time.

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      @Slim: BIG WORDS TERRIFY ME! Interesting, I just hate that we didn’t know “microfracture” until now and he’s already missing camp. Scary

  86. Spencer says:
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    Do your projections include FGA and FTA? If so, it would be very helpful to see those numbers in order to weight your percentage projections.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Spencer: That’s a Slim question, but no they’re not there now… I don’t know if we’ll be expanding out that far with projections, but I’ll ask!

  87. dom says:
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    hey JB great stuff! excited for my 2nd season playing fantasy basketball, won my 8 cat roto league last year with help from you guys.

    the league changed to a h2h but I’m confused about the scoring. commissioner saying:

    points = 1 point per
    assists = 1 point
    offensive board = 2
    defensive board = 1
    steals = 2
    block = 2
    TO = -1

    does this seem right? a point is worth the same as an assist? it would seem to tremendously overvalue volume scorers. no mention of %s.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @dom: There’s no right or wrong answer, but yeah that seems to way undervalue dimes. Volume scorers who are big men get huge bumps up. Chris Paul gets 10 AST and 3 TO, and it’s only worth +7 in those cats? Yeah I’d just avoid PG haha

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        @JB Gilpin: the assists are definitely wrong, I think it’s usually supposed to be worth 3 pts. I’m going to try and talk him out of points system all together because I feel like h2h w categories forces you to have a statistically balanced team. points system feels less strategic and I like having to worry about the ratios

        does the offensive rebounding bonus mean much? is Tristan Thompson an all star all of a sudden w that format lol

        • JB Gilpin

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          @dom: Oh totally agree, i prefer H2H categories for the team aspect as well – I’m not a fall of Pts. Hah yeah it means a ton! A big has an OK game with 3 OREB and suddenly he’s scoring as much as a top tier PG!

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      @dom: Yeah it’s a head to head points league instead of the regular head to head that these rankings are generally based for. Lots of people play points leagues differently but that one does seem to value scorers too high.

  88. KB8 says:
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    Will you guys have auction ranks?

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      @KB8: Yup! Probably Wednesday or Thursday is my ETA on that post

  89. Tones says:
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    in a 20-man h2h keeper (9-cat), is it wrong to roll the dice on Kobe in the draft with my current pick? I have a strong enough core to justify it.

    CP3, Lowry, Knight, Gasol, Ibaka and Favors.

    other options besides Kobe are A. Afflalo, K. Martin and P. Tucker.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Tones: Holy crap, that’s a monster core for a 20-teamer!

      I personally would probably go Tucker though. Knight and Lowry are already hurting your FG% so much, that Kobe would make it a loss every week. I like Tucker as a glue wing since you ahve 3 really nice PG/C

  90. Jensen says:
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    Fantasy baseball is over. 2 wins in H2H, no roto wins.
    my fantasy football teams are so stacked it’s comical and thus I don’t need to pay attention to it.
    Fantasy basketball is full speed ahead! Getting hyped for some RCL drafts!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Jensen: Wooooooooo! Hah I drafted CJ Anderson on two teams, suffice to say, they’re both 0-3. Luckily I’m doing OK in my main money league, but yeesh I hate football. I’m ready for hoops too!

  91. Big O says:
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    Just wanna say thanks to the Razzball crew for all the quality content and good humor. Planning to rely on y’all for the upcoming season; you served me well last year, that is until KD imploded on me hahaha. Enjoy the site!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Big O: Thanks so much man! Ugh, yeah KD was a tough blow, I just couldn’t bottom him out like I should’ve late pre-season… Thanks again, looking forward to the year!

  92. Dorian says:
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    @JB: Heya again JB and gang! First of all, like to apologize for calling you Jay last time. My bad. Not sure why I did, but I did.

    Second, thanks for the article on the top 200, because I wasn’t exactly sure where everyone was, so this makes the list nice and tidy.

    Third: I’m the guy who in the top Cs talked about my 14 team, 3 keeper, no TOs (so 8 cats), H2H Cats=Wins, 3G/3F/1C/1UT/3BN/1IL league that had a clause in it that we can sacrifice a keeper to get a ping pong for the Madness Lottery. Could get 1st, may get Last type of deal.

    So how does this all play in? I just noticed that Andre Drummond is listed by you guys as 23rd overall. I actually own the rights to Andre Drummond, as he was on my team last year. There are only 4 players on that list that rank higher than him being Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Serge Ibaka and Blake Griffin.

    Thanks to a lot of people deciding on two keepers, two new teams and one team deciding to scrape its entire keeper list… My chances went from 5 in 7 (72%), to 5 in 16 (32%) in the hopes of landing Drummond or better.

    So should I actually stay the course or still take on the Madness?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dorian: Yo! Haha no worries!

      Aha, I could never forget the madness lottery! Ewwwww, wow I didn’t think your odds were that bad. Although 8-cat makes the FT% drain guys more dangerous. Seeing those odds and re-thinking that list of guys ranked ahead, I’ll go Drummond as a keep for ya

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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks again. Yeah, I originally had a 5 in 7 chance when I posted in the C posting. In the last 24 hrs, everyone got involved and it went south with my chances.

        I’ll just keep Drummond and pray he does become Top 25!

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Dorian: Everyone probably stalked you to this site and saw how excited I was at first!

          • Dorian says:
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            @JB Gilpin: I’m beginning to wonder that.

            Also, I’m glad I bowed out and took Drummond back, I hope (think I got it on the wire, waiting on confirmation). I need all the help I can get! The team known as the Two Man Power Trip, who lucked into Kevin Durant, LeBron James and Anthony Davis just traded James and Durant to each of the new teams and secured 2 Madness picks and 2 Firsts.

            So the guy now has 5 picks (if including his own) in the first 20 picks. Which probably makes him feel better considering his team bombed last season. About my only consolation after this.

            And before you ask, Davis was a Madness pick.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Dorian: Hah yeah I love/hate seeing comments where people say they love the site and wish they could share with their leaguemates, but they don’t want them to find it!

              Yikes, there’s no way I woulda broken up that core! Even off a bad LBJ season and KD injury…

  93. Joe says:
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    Welcome back! Pick 3 for this year (keeper question). I’ve put the players next to their respective keeper costs in a 10-team league. Leaning KD, Marc, and obv. Gobert.

    Durant – 1st round pick (#9 pick to be exact)
    M.Gasol – 3rd round pick
    G.Hill – 8th round pick
    IT2 – 9th round pick
    Middleton – 10th round pick
    Gobert – 11th round pick

    • Joe says:
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      @Joe:

      It’s serpentine, so that puts Gasol’s 3rd round cost into the upper 20s.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Joe: Thanks man! Yup Gobert a clear 1. And yeah, KD at 9 is a lock. Eesh this other one is tough. I’m actually kinda leaning IT2 in the 9th. Seems a tad rich for Marc Gasol, or at the ADP at the least. I think IT2 is the better value

  94. Justin says:
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    hey JB and slim, i just did my 12 team h2h 9 cat draft. i was picking 9th. here is my team
    someone took gobert just before me so i had to make a decision and take green. but klay, jimmy were still available. do you think i made the right choice?

    1. John Wall (Was – PG)
    2. Draymond Green (GS – SF,PF)
    3. Pau Gasol (Chi – PF,C)
    4. Rudy Gay (Sac – SF,PF)
    5. Reggie Jackson (Det – PG,SG)
    6. Kenneth Faried (Den – PF,C)
    7. Isaiah Thomas (Bos – PG)
    8. Danilo Gallinari (Den – SF)
    9. Jordan Clarkson (LAL – PG)
    10. Aaron Gordon (Orl – PF)
    11. Darren Collison (Sac – PG)
    12. Patrick Patterson (Tor – PF,C)
    13. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (Det – SG)

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Justin: Damn yeah Gobert + Wall woulda been an unreal combo.

      Both the Warrior guys in the 2nd are so so close, I think I mighta gone Klay for the 3s that Wall lacks even though I don’t like to overpay for 3s, and particularly in hindsight since Pau as a #1 big isn’t the worst thing in the world, given his risk. Love a ton of your other picks as you have several of my sleepers on there, solid draft!

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        @JB Gilpin: btw, if gobert was available, you would take him over klay and jimmy right?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Justin: Yup! He’s moved up to 11 overall for me

  95. Matty

    Matty says:
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    The tough thing about posting these updates as we approach training camp and pre-season is that the NBA landscape is so much more dynamic. Just from these media days today we could bump Wes Matthews and Chandler Parsons down given their prognoses, and by default I think Justin Anderson has to get the font=green treatment. When you hear “may be ready by Christmas” for Matthews, that’s a far cry from “I’m aiming for opening night.” That’s two full months of opportunity changed with just one quote.

    I also actually laughed out loud when I read the blurb about Markieff Morris wanting to remain with the Suns…right on the heels of his nitwit brother taking a not-so-subtle shot at PJ Tucker (and the rest of the PHX wings from last year). Those Morrii need their own reality show.

    Other quick hits (that don’t really affect rankings but are good for a chuckle):

    – DeAndre Jordan doesn’t feel the need to change anything with his free throw approach/mechanics
    – Kawhi Leonard will be a very important player for the Spurs this year, according to Pop (in case you forgot about the Finals MVP and DPOY awards from the last couple years…)
    – Metta World Peace has been added to the Lakers in a mentorship role…he’s all about encouragement but will not be giving the youngsters “a spoon full of whipped cream”

    Never stop being a thing, NBA media days. Ever.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matty: Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh I did these late last night, then Matthews has that come out. He’ll go down, maybe I’ll add a note in real quick. So much coming out today!

      Haha just call it “Morrii [no the other one]”

      -Ewwwwwww. Hack a Dre is going to make Clippers games last until 2:00 AM EST
      – Hah, thanks Pop
      – Yikes, that sounds like some sort of prison lingo…

      • Matty

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        @JB Gilpin: It’s tough not to knee-jerk when you hear this stuff, but with Matthews potentially out until Festivus, Parsons getting eased in, Dirk being capped at 26’ish MPG, it’s going to be hard to pump the brakes on the Justin Anderson hype train.

        But just watch – you’ll give Anderson a rankings bump, people will start reaching for him around pick 100 and when the games go live it’s going to be JJ Barea getting 25 MPG at SG. That’s the kind of crap Carlisle will pull.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Matty: Yeah I mean there’s all sorts of stuff flying around, like Pek is missing months, then he says he’s feeling the best he ever has and could be ready, or like how we saw with Kyrie being out until December that ended up getting refuted.

          Haha yeah I could easily see Barea doing that haha

  96. JG

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    Hey guys,

    Draft in a few days (way too early for me given no preseason games yet and 1 month of Inj risk before real season begins).

    12 team, 9 cat H2H with 4th pick.

    My initial thought was
    KD
    Gobert/Dray/M Gasol/Millsap/Blake in that order
    Bledsoe
    Wiggins/Hayward

    But in my latest mocks, Bledsoe is getting drafted at 24-28 which now makes me think I might have to reach for him during the 2nd rd unless top 2 guys above are available.

    So thoughts of reaching for Bledsoe at 2nd and then maybe Whiteside at 3rd?

    Also contemplating just grabbing CP3 at 4th pick overall and trade the same plan until 4th rd. But tough to plug pts stat hole category. Then again, if KD reinjures, would be worse off.

    Thoughts? Would it be a razzball cardinal sin to draft CP3 over LBJ/KD or even Cousins?

    • Slim

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      @Dj: I’m still leaning Durant. He could very well be the best overall and his out of position assists make up for the bonus CP3 gives. I like the plan but I think we can probably scrap Gobert from that list. Seems pretty unlikely he falls to 20. I think if you miss on Bledsoe your 3rd pick is good enough you can still get Lowry or Teague. Not a bad consolation so I would still go with a 2nd round big. Your order is fine too. Personally I have Millsap ahead of Gasol but I get it.

      If you went CP3 there, which I wouldn’t, then that 2nd round big really becomes a must and Bledsoe isn’t as much of a priority.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Dj: @Slim: Hah yeah def interesting doing early drafts…

        I don’t think it’s a cardinal sin at all, but I’m with Slim, I’ll go Durant still. CP3 is all about safety, with limited upside.

        If Gobert/Dray/Millsap were gone, I’d be totally fine with Bledsoe in the 2nd

  97. John says:
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    Hey JB,

    I am in need of a center to pick up from FA. Who would you go with, Andrew Bogut or Nurkic?
    H2H, 9 cat, 12 teams.

    I am leaning on Bogut on this one… but you can persuade me otherwise.

    • Slim

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      @John: I think the answer is a question. Is this a guy you want to help now or later? If you just need someone to start the year then Bogut is the obvious choice, but the always gets injured and becomes droppable at some point. The odds of him helping at the end are extremely low. Nurkic on the other hand won’t be ready to start the year but has a chance for a big 2nd half if healthy. So if the add is for now Bogut, later Nurkic.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @John: @Slim: Yeah I have the same thought as Slim, depends on if you need help out of the gate or later. I’m much more likely to roster Nurk though

  98. Dave says:
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    Hi GB, love the pre season rankings, is it possible to have auction value for the ranking in the near future?

    • Slim

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      @Dave: Yeah that’s coming this week. Or at least that’s the goal, I probably shouldn’t put words in his mouth.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Dave: @Slim: DAMMIT SLIM, HOW DARE YOU?! Haha yeah, probably Thursday morning, might get them wrapped up by tomorrow morning.

  99. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP GUYS?!!! i think yahoo just edited their rankings. peace!!!

    • Slim

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      @MAC: Yeah a few notables… Wiggins goes DOWN to 87, Lillard, Wall are 19/21. Gobert 15, Teague 43, Favors 40, Gallo 48!, That’s funny, JB is low on Gallo, Mirotic at 54, DeRozan 64, Reggie 76, Beal 88, TJones 89, Clarkson 123, Aaron Gordon 130.

      For some reason or another those all stand out to me.

      • MAC says:
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        @Slim: are they still gonna adjust the rankings? im glad rankings of those guys still suck. hehe

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          @MAC: what i meant is after this, are they gonna adjust the rankings again? have to do some mocks with these new rankings to fully take advantage.

        • Slim

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          @MAC: I don’t know… It seems like they fixed a few things, Favors, Gobert, Reggie to a degree but then they completely fubar Lillard and Wall and for some reason make Wiggins worse and Mirotic/Gallo have zero upside at their ranks. DeRozan 20 spots before Wiggins is downright laughable. Nerlens at 24 is just bonkers. I’m not sure his ceiling is even that high. Dirk at 38 is unbelievable. Gortat at 44 feels like a huge reach. Robin Lopez at 97 and Myers Leonard at 99? Umm… Bjelica at 477. Anderson at 551. I didn’t know they were still under the radar. Capela isn’t last anymore with Exum going down but he’s still 2nd to last.

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            @Slim: I wouldn’t take Nerlens at 24, but it’s not at all bonkers. his combo of steals and blocks is unheard of since hakeem, and he put up 2nd round value after the ASB last year. his ‘ceiling’ is higher than that because if he ever figures out how to catch a lob pass and/or shoot free throws greater than 70%, he’d be a clear first round value.

            • Slim

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              @kai: I guess people used to draft Josh Smith in the 2nd round… Probably the closest comp I can think of. He was a good steals/blocks guy when he was 21, 22 and a players best steals/blocks years are almost always early in their career. But he doesn’t have the points/assists like Smoove, or the crazy 2.9,2.8 blocks… or TOs either, and USG is way off of course. I do see why someones metrics like him though, not that it means anything to me. I guess it’s possible he turns into a scorer but I don’t see that happening next to Okafor that’s for sure. But I can concede that maybe in a keeper Nerlens could be considered top 25. I would certainly compare Nerlens to Josh Smith before Hakeem though. His rookie year makes Nerlens look awfully mediocre.

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                @Slim: yeah, the josh smith comparison makes some sense, aside from the weird A/TO and stupid 3 point shooting. if you are searching for other comps, you could do worse than young andrei kirilenko (he was later a top 10 fantasy player, no?) as does gerald wallace. among current nba players, Drummond minus 4 rebounds / plus half a steal and assist is about right (and everyone loves drummond in the 3rd, right?). but noel is truly a wacky duck – using layne vashro’s player comparison tool, his closest statistical season to last year was TMac 2000 (also draws anthony davis 13, cliff robinson 82, gerald wallace 05).

                http://bkref.com/tiny/psMnI

                obviously i am not comping noel to hakeem on the offensive end. noel has bricks for hands and negative post moves. but, i also think he won’t be a minus on fg% this year (44% pre ASB / 49% post ASB).

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @kai: Damn yeah forgot Wallace had such a good year back then, although the blocks were such an outlier that year. He is a very unique guy.

                  I will note I still have some FG% concern because he has to play next to Okafor, who is only in the low post

                  • Slim

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                    @kai: @JB Gilpin: I forget how good Kirilenko was at 22-25. Such a beast. He’s one of those guys on the verge of greatness but ultimately derailed by nagging injuries, and I would argue a lack of that ‘killer instinct’. It’s a much better comp than Smoove. I’m wondering now though if Noel is going to flame out at 25. Seems to be the case for most of our comps, at least for steals and blocks.

                    I’m with JB and the FG%. I’m worried they make him a 15ft jumper guy to Okafors inside guy.

                    • kai says:
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                      @Slim:

                      Wrt okafor…definitely a worry on both ends of the court. Did Favors significantly change with Kanter vs Gobert?

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @kai: Yup, pre ASB was 5% higher than post, a point I threw at Slim trying to cool him off.

                  • kai says:
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                    @JB Gilpin: ah, that stings. Gonna have to drop him a bit in my rankins

                    • Slim

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                      @kai: Umm… post Kanter his USG went up about 5%… If his shot falls he will have a career year. I think this is fairly obvious. I know JB doesn’t like that he took more jump shots and his FG% went from .550 to .500 but that could easily be a case of small sample size messing with percents.

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                      @Slim:

                      well, there’s a way around the SSS problem – was he just missing shots he usually hits, or was he shooting lower percentage shots? unfortunately i can’t find what they did with @#$^$% per 36 numbers on stats.nba.com so i’m giving up

                      also, i have his usage going from 23.3->26.3 or 3%

                    • Slim

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                      @kai: I think he just wasn’t 100% at the end of the year. I know in April he had that 29 or so USG but he also missed the last 2 games in March and 2 in April and really had his minutes cut down. I think he was just banged up, looks like it was his back. I look at the post Kanter, yet pre back injury March numbers in which he went…

                      .500/.687/0/18/8.1/1.9/0.7/1.8/1.7

                      as what I would gamble on him doing this year. I know the FG% isn’t as great as we would like but I would argue the high volume makes up for it.

      • kai says:
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        @Slim: funny ones to me:

        drummond at 46??
        jrue still at 56?
        mirotic omg no
        ricky, elfrid, it2/3 rjax all around 70 $$$$$
        wiggins insanity
        leonard and aminu top 100
        bogut 109???
        jr, tony allen > clarkson
        after 130, everything seems to be randomly generated

        • CTMN says:
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          @kai: I thought I was gonns get Gallo and Mirotic but I guess not…anyway, who even cares anymore?! Wiggins at 87 WTF how could he go down? Clarkson at 123 is still easily gettable in a good spot for him. Wall and Lillard OMG…yahoo has done it again.

          • JB Gilpin

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            @MAC: @kai: @Slim: @CTMN: Yikes, you know what, f$*# Yahoo. I’m over here pumping Gallinari since late last season, and now I won’t get him anywhere. It’s just not a value pick anymore, he’d have to fall to me right at his pre-rank now.

            Yahoo seems to not value PG at all. Haha, Tony Allen, Leonard and Aminu all over Clarkson. Nuts.

  100. Erik Capoccetta says:
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    Hi JB! How are u doing?
    I’ve been reading all your post referring to these like the Holy Grail of Fantasy Ball. Especially this one with the Rankings and projections, it’s marvelous.
    Now finally I’ve to put all this in place, since Free Agency kicked off last week in my Dynasty.
    Looking back at what I’ve done I think I built pretty much the roster I was aiming for entering in FA. I only need to fill 3 more roster spots, and the only regret I have is not having one more 3Y contract to give thus missing Rudy “The Steiffel Tower” Gobert by just 1Y of contract (15×2 my offer vs 15×3 the one who won).
    That’s how my team looks like:

    G: Ricky Rubio, PG, 16Mx1Y (Keeper from last season)
    G: Victor Oladipo, SG, 16Mx3Y (RFA, retained on the market)
    G: Jordan Clarkson, PG/SG, 8Mx2Y (RFA)
    G: —need to fill it up— (was thinking about CJ McCollum)
    F: Andrew Wiggins, SG/SF, 36Mx3Y (RFA)
    F: Draymond Green, PF (C,maybe??), 9Mx1Y (Keeper)
    F: Jabari Parker, SF/PF, 10Mx1Y (Keeper)
    F: —need to fill it up— (was thinking about Giannis, hope to get him in tomorrow auction)
    C: Gorgui Dieng, PF/C, 9Mx2Y (RFA)
    C:—need to fill it up— (missed Gobert, hope to get KLove in today auction)
    U: Robert Covington, SG/SF, 7Mx2Y (RFA)
    U: Harrison Barnes, F, 3Mx1Y (got on the market)
    Now I got 26M, a 2Y and two 1Y contracts, to fill up the 3 rosters spots

    I decied to confirm pretty much the core who gave me the Title last year, beside not retaining just DeAndre, who has gone away for a price I couldn’t afford, and Tyreke Evans/Brandon Knight, who are on the radar of other owners with more money than me.

    Today I received an ambitious offer form the owner I swatted away Wiggins from, by equalizing his ridiculous offer of 36Mx3Y.
    He offered: Nikola Mirotic, SF/PF, 21Mx3Y + Aaron Gordon, SF/PF, 5Mx2Y + Kelly Olynyk, 8Mx1Y
    Total 36M in exchange of Wiggins.
    Honestly I’m not very intrigued by this offer since it will let me stuck with the same budget as now, and much more I don’l like Olynyk, beside loving Gordon and liking Mirotic.
    What’s your, and of the other guys form the blog, opinion about this offer and my team overall?There’s any part you see that needs improvement? Are my targets realistics and a good fit?

    Can’t wait to hear your thoughts! And sorry for the long post 🙂
    Thank you so much

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Erik Capoccetta: Thanks so much man! We’re pumped for the season. Oh damn, can you not change your 3-year deals to get him in?! That blows!

      Well starting with Wiggins – nah don’t trade him for that. Can you remind me the league size and scoring format? Sorry if I missed it 🙂

      Would love Evans at that G spot with Jrue down, but damn you’ll have a lot of TO. Looks like you really need some big man stats – I would pay that 2Y contract for a good PF/C but not really targeting Love. Not sure who is out there, but more a Towns (probably expensive) or Noel, someone like that hopefully is left.

      Hope that helps, happy 15-16!

      • Erik Capoccetta says:
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        @JB Gilpin: Thanks for your suggestions man! I was dying when I saw that offer for Rudy XD.
        Just turned down that Wiggins offer. Just got the news I missed Love too. Going to work on a deal to get KAT who is on a 5Mx2Y rookie contract. Who do you suggest I can put on the table?
        Just to remind mine is a 18-team H2H Dynasty League with 12 roster spots 😉
        Thanks again for your time

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Erik Capoccetta: Yeah KAT is a great fit. I’m not a huge Parker fan, if somehow Parker+Barnes got him I would be estatic. I think Covington maybe in a deal is worth exploring, but I love Covington this year…

          Any time!

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            @JB Gilpin: Hey JB, finally my Restricted Free Agent actions are over….
            Now my team looks like this:
            G: Ricky Rubio, PG, 16Mx1Y
            G: Victor Oladipo, SG, 16Mx3Y
            G: Jordan Clarkson, PG/SG, 8Mx2Y
            G: Brandon Knight, PG/SG, 4Mx2Y (ratained him for really low XD)
            F: Andrew Wiggins, SG/SF, 36Mx3Y (RFA)
            F: Draymond Green, PF (C,maybe??), 9Mx1Y (Keeper)
            F: Jabari Parker, SF/PF, 10Mx1Y (Keeper)
            F: —need to fill it up— (lost Giannis, like Gobert for just 1 million !!!)
            C: Gorgui Dieng, PF/C, 9Mx2Y (RFA)
            C:—need to fill it up— (KAT owner refused the trade)
            U: Robert Covington, SG/SF, 7Mx2Y (RFA)
            U: Harrison Barnes, F, 3Mx1Y (got on the market)
            Now I got 22M and two 1Y contracts to complete my roster.
            Since I desperately need a C to pair with Dieng I was think about trading my Knight ( I’m well covered on Gs) to get Myles Turner. On your rankigs they have a quite similar valuation, and both have the same contract (4M).
            Do you think Myles is worth the gamble? I’ve very high expectations on him to become this year’s Draymond 🙂

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Erik Capoccetta: Looking good minus those bigs. Yeah I think given team needs, I def like that Turner trade. Wow, I don’t think he’s quite in the Draymond mold, but yeah good %s/3s/blocks should all be there, minus the extra diming Dray gives

              • Erik Capoccetta says:
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                @JB Gilpin: Great man just pulled the trigger on that trade since I really needed a big man.
                Now it’s time for me to fill up the 2 remaining roster spots with the 22M remaining.

                These are my position battles:
                U1: CJ McCollum / McLemore / TJ Warren
                U2: Sta Johnson / Kaminsky / M. Leonard/ Capela / Cauley-Stein
                I’m more oriented on getting McCollum and Sta-Jo since they are the two bests player available, talking about rankings perspective, at this point.
                However I might consider adding one more Center to the roster since I’ve only 2, and injuries could be right around the corner. So I’m considering also Kaminsky, Capela and WCS.
                What’s your precious advice?
                Thanks a lot for your time 🙂

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Erik Capoccetta: Hah I don’t know if my advice is that precious!

                  Nice move! Yeah Turner two blocks in first preseason game although not great anywhere else…

                  I’d probably indeed take McCollum and StanJo then explore an early trade. I think both are buzzy and if they start hot, could get a better big than those avail.

                  Any time!

                  • Erik Capoccetta says:
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                    @JB Gilpin:
                    Your advice is definitely precious man!
                    Finally completed my roster:
                    G: Ricky Rubio, PG, 16Mx1Y
                    G: Victor Oladipo, SG, 16Mx3Y
                    G: Jordan Clarkson, PG/SG, 8Mx2Y
                    G: CJ McCollum, PG/SG, 3Mx1Y (got him for really low XD)
                    F: Andrew Wiggins, SG/SF, 36Mx3Y
                    F: Draymond Green, PF (C,maybe??), 9Mx1Y
                    F: Jabari Parker, SF/PF, 10Mx1Y
                    F: Robert Covington, SG/SF, 7Mx2Y
                    C: Gorgui Dieng, PF/C, 9Mx2Y
                    C: Myles Turner, PF/C, 4Mx1Y
                    U: Stanley Johnson, SG/SF, 6Mx2Y
                    U: Harrison Barnes, F, 3Mx1Y
                    I’ve been able to scoop-up McCollum and StanJo in a very easy and comfortable way. Feeling really happy with my roster.
                    But the quiet didn’t last long….I got a trade proposal, which really makes me thinking a lot about what to do:
                    Aaron Gordon FOR StanJo.
                    This puts me in a very difficult position, since Gordon right now is the best player among the two (101 vs 129 ranking), and even more I really like him as a player ( also I’ll get a 1M saving on contract). However I also like the potential and the prospected breakout for StanJo.
                    Looking for your advice man to help me getting through this big dilemma.
                    Thanks a lot.

                    • JB Gilpin

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                      @Erik Capoccetta: Yeah I think I have to take that deal. Your weakness is big man stats, and I think Gordon can be a monster with blocks and rebounds, well for a stretch-4. I’m really high on him this year and it fits your team, I’d go for it. Any time!

                    • Erik Capoccetta says:
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                      @Erik Capoccetta: Great to hear you’re on the same page as me. I really love Gordon potential since his years at college, and to be honest I wanted him badly during free agency.
                      This deal was too much to give up. I just finalized it minutes ago and I’m feeling very happy with it. Maybe StanJo will break out, but the probabilities of an exciting season from Gordon are higher.
                      Las year I won my league with an under-25 youngsters team as a complete underdog. That’s mainly thanks to your amazing tips and advice. Hope to repeat my glorious journey this year too. I’ll keep you posted man 😉

                    • JB Gilpin

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                      @Erik Capoccetta: Sounds good, keep us posted this year, thanks for stopping by!

  101. CTMN says:
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    So much for no PGs in the second round. John Wall at 21 and Damian Lillard at 19??? What has yahoo been smoking??? They’re gonna eff up my draft completely because if I can’t get both Lillard and Wall, people in my league are pretty clueless so one of them will probably drop to 20 or something. SMH!!!!

    • Slim

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      @CTMN: Eh. Not against real competition they won’t be.

      • CTMN says:
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        @Slim: Oh yeah definitely not in these leagues…but against my friends? They’re not gonna catch these slip ups.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Slim: @CTMN: Haha yeah yahoo is all about lowering value of PG for some reason, very odd… I guess Jrue Holiday staying at 30 means they’re expecting miracles from every single one so there’s depth haha

          • CTMN says:
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            @JB Gilpin: Maybe yahoo’s default setting is head to head points leagues this year? That’s my best guess…

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @CTMN: Actually it is, you’re right… Didn’t think about that, since they had previously always been H2H 9cat

              • CTMN says:
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                @JB Gilpin: That’s weird for them to do that. Completely throws off rankings because what you do in each category becomes meaningless. Maybe that’s why Vucevic is ahead of Wall and Lillard.

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @CTMN: Kinda makes more sense now… Maybe I’ll see if Behrens can come on the podcast again. Or if he can get a Yahoo expert on

  102. eric says:
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    whats up razballsters!! more power to you guyz.. wanted to ask for an advice, im on a 20 team league 9 cats 19 rosters. Ive proposed a trade for my hayward for his milsap. He countered it w/ his milsap and afflalo for my hayward and r jax. Should i take it? kinda tempting. heres my lineup btw,

    Round Pick Player Position
    1. (3) James Harden SG,SF
    2. (36) Al Jefferson PF,C
    3. (41) Gordon Hayward SG,SF
    4. (74) Jonas Valanciunas C
    5. (79) Reggie Jackson PG,SG
    6. (112) Danilo Gallinari SF
    7. (117) Jordan Clarkson PG
    8. (150) Jusuf Nurkic C
    9. (155) Aaron Gordon PF
    10. (188) Meyers Leonard PF,C
    11. (193) Dennis Schroder PG
    12. (226) Cory Joseph PG
    13. (231) Jameer Nelson PG
    14. (264) Kendall Marshall PG
    15. (269) Tony Snell SG,SF
    16. (302) Doug McDermott SF
    17. (307) Nemanja Bjelica PF
    18. (340) Clint Capela PF,C
    19. (345) Dwight Powell PF

    • Slim

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      @eric: No. That puts you way too far behind in assists and Afflalo isn’t remotely close to Reggie.

      Gallo @112, Gordon @155, Schroder @193 is amazing value btw. Bjelica, Capela, Powell are amazing picks after 300.

      I get why you want another big but that’s just losing way too much. If you wanted to do Gallo instead I wouldn’t be as adamantly against it. I wouldn’t be in any hurry to lose Clarkson either. Finding a PG on waivers in a league that deep isn’t fun, but finding a big isn’t too bad.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @eric: @Slim: Yeah I’m definitely declining that offer as well.

        Holy hell you got some great value! Only McDermott and Snell are outside my top 200. Those final 3 picks were nasty, I bet I would laugh very loud at some of the picks in between those

  103. CTMN says:
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    OK, I had a look at some of yahoo’s insane rankings.
    Elfrid moved from 48 down to 68.
    Monta moved from 54 down to 66.
    Dragic from 42 down to 61.
    Robin Lopez from 80 to 97.
    DeRozan – 84 to 64.
    Noel – 46 up to 24.
    Gobert – 25 to 15
    Horford – 11 to 10 (?????)
    Teague – 39 to 43 (?????)
    Drummond – 40 to 46 (?????)
    Wall – 16 to 21, Lillard – 12 to 19 (??????)
    Vucevic – 24 to 18 (Ahead of Lillard and Wall)
    Gallinari – 128 to 48 (LOL)
    Mirotic – 123 to 54
    Gortat – 76 to 44

    And apparently Dirk stays at 38 while Bledsoe stays at 33.

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      @CTMN: Ty Lawson moved from 37 down to 101, which would be justified…if he wasn’t behind Jae Crowder at 96, Meyers Leonard 99, Aminu 100.
      Alec Burks at 141 is still a huge steal, JB’s boy Myles Turner is at 155, and Slim’s boy Stanley Johnson is at 169. It’s worth the Gallinari/Mirotic sacrifice.

      • DK says:
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        @CTMN: Favors also went up around 10 ranks or so. There goes the chance of actually getting Gallinari at 5th or even 6th pick. My first 4 picks are reserved for PG/C.

        Noel at 24 is kinda crazy, especially knowing Okafor is in town. The Wall and Lillard rankings are just weird. Mirotic at 54? Seriously?

      • kai says:
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        @CTMN: Here lies the dream of cheap Gallo/Miro. someone at yahoo watched Eurobasket, and stole all of our fun. RIP.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @CTMN: @CTMN: @DK: @kai: I’m so mad about this Gallinari re-rank. Gallinari-gate! Yahoo reads Razzball and wanted to stick it to my #1 sleeper call.

          WTF is up that Gortat change? Haha

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          @kai: @DK: @kai: LOL Pretty much, they ruined those 2 and I think Favors went from 59 to 40. Wall/Lillard at those ranks is insane.

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @CTMN: Did their usual Razzball hacking

      • Dragos says:
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        @CTMN:
        D. Howard owned: 94%
        J. Crowder owned: 73%
        A. Aminu owned: 62%
        B. Bogdanovic owned: 62%
        While…
        A. Gordon: 33%
        P.J. Tucker: 64%
        M. Turner: 38%
        Dont’wanna be mean, but why are these users even bother playing fantasy basketball ? I mean, who drafts Aminu 100 ? They should stick to video games !

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Dragos: Hahahaha

    • Nishinga says:
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      @CTMN: I’m so pissed, I can’t get a good team in mocks since this changed.
      My draft is 4 days before the league start, I may lose more players till it will happen and my team is gonna be a mess, can’t get bigs.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Nishinga: Hah yeah there is some benefit to early drafts!

  104. Tyler says:
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    I was thinking of drafting cousins over westbrook and lillard, am i crazy? 14team 9cat h2h.
    I think westy will not be top 10 this year and maybe in the 15-20 range now that durant is back and thunder has many offensive options. Westy never approached top 10 teriritory until last year with his insane usage rate.
    Lillard im not so sure. His stls are low for a top PG and yes he will explode with pts and 3s but the fg% and TOs will be high as well. not much rebs and asts.
    Cousins now has rondo and has the best chance to repeat or improve on last season

    What do you guys think?

    • CTMN says:
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      @Tyler: Actually Lillard was one of the top rebounding PGs and should get about 7 asts/game with all the usage, but I get the steals/fg%/TOs argument. It’s not crazy to take Cousins/Westbrook/Lillard in any order, depending on how much you think each will improve/regress, etc. They’re all pretty close.

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      @Tyler: Remember there is a huge lack of PGs later. So that’s why Lillard/WB really goes up in ranks by a lot. But whichever choice is actually good. Just means your 2nd pick needs to be a PG.

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      @Tyler: I don’t think you’re crazy. Wall has never even posted 2nd round value until last season. Why he is consistently taken in the 1st round was always a mystery to me. I think Russell will still be top 10 or very close to it.

      Lillard should be a first rounder, but I still see better options for steals and assists elsewhere. I’m taking Cousins over him tbh. You’re getting a significantly better FG%, steals, rebounds, and blocks in exchange for no threes, 4ish apg, and slightly worse FT%? Well worth it IMO. Boogie also has a superior playoff schedule and should be able to make up the assist deficit because he plays an extra game in semis.

      If you’re drafting 8th in 14ers like me, you should also be able to grab some of the better second tier PG’s in the third round like Teague, Lowry, Dragic, or R Jax (Or maybe Bledsoe in the 2nd?). ESPN and Yahoo also have some guys like Rubio and Payton that are projected 2-3 rounds below their value. They obviously have their %age drawbacks but I’m going to be heavily targeting them because they provide elite levels of steals and assists that compete with the big name PG’s without the price of a first round pick.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Tyler: @CTMN: @DK: @Ryan: Definitely not crazy, it’s close. But yeah as DK mentions, the top-tier of PG to Bledsoe then to the mid-round guys is such a steep cliff. Especially in a 14er, if you go Cousins, then you either someone else reaches Bledsoe before you or you get Bledsoe or you have to wait til round 3-4 to get your PG1. Cousins Bledsoe is an awful start for TO as well. SAC having one extra game in 3 weeks of H2H playoffs isn’t enough to tip my scale either.

        Westbrook/Wall v Cousins is closer. Again, I don’t want to have Cousins/Bledsoe as you’re a TO punt more or less after that start

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          @JB Gilpin: westbrook/wall vs cousins is closer? Do you mean lillard is above them? How about quality bigs? Is there not a steep dropoff after the early rounds too?

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            @Tyler: Yup, I have Lillard 7, and Westbrook and Wall right after due to a little less upside and for-sure more TO downside. And no not really for the bigs, past Gobert you could go Ibaka, then if you miss Ibaka then Drummond or the Gasols, then there’s Whiteside – a lot of fallback options there

  105. eric says:
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    copy slim! Thanks for the quick headsup.Forgot it was 9 cat roto. I have actually used your rankings for this lineup. MOre power to you guys, your website is so awesome!! We truly admire your expertise on this. Rock on guyzzz!!!!!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @eric: @Slim: @eric: Thanks so much man! Really appreciate it!

  106. kai says:
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    10 team 9 cat keeper selections coming up
    Snake draft w/4 keepers out of 18 roster spots

    Harden, Ibaka, Teague, Kemba, Lawson, Monta, Brook Lopez
    I think the first three are true keepers, but picking the last one has me a bit hung up.
    Kemba keeps ft% up but basically ensures fg% punt, Lawson is too risky, Monta gonna Monta and I like his steals, but questionable role, BroLo is too close to his brother and might break an ankle at comic con or something.
    Unfortunately I dropped everything that wasn’t nailed down, or I’d still have Bosh….

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kai: Hahaha, let’s hope Brolo avoids comicon… Oh damn yeah Bosh would for sure be your 4th…. Ummm, I’ll lean Monta, it’s boring but you don’t need Kemba’s skill set especially since Ibaka isn’t a help in FG% anymore

  107. jon says:
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    Hey fellas,

    Just wanted to get a read on this 12-team 9-cat Roto Dynasty squad that I’ve spent two years building (college players, etc.). I won the ‘ship last year and am wondering if I need to make any changes with my rookies who are coming up from my “minors” (college squad). Positions are PG, SG, SF, PF, C, C, G, F, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL and we have weekly lineups.

    PGs: Teague, RJax, Conley, I. Thomas, G. Hill
    SG/SFs: Harden, Wiggins, Thad Young, TJ Warren
    PF/Cs: Gobert, A. Horford, Duncan, Draymond, T. Jones, Dieng, Kanter, R. Anderson, Capela

    IR: Embiid

    I love the way my team looks and think I’m stacked for now and for late and I’m eyeing a repeat. My question is that I’ve got a couple of rookies (Stanley Johnson and Rondae H-J) that I own the rights to and can add to my squad. Rondae I might send back to the wire, but I’d like to stash Stanley on the bench. Who do I drop to stash him? Embiid if I can?

    As for the rest of the squad, it’s stay put right? I’m a huge trader but I’m not feeling deals or anything until injuries necessitate it. You guys agree?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @jon: Whoa cool! Never thought about college guys tied in, sounds fun!

      Yeah nasty stuff, awesome guards, great bigs, good FT% volume guys to cover Gobert, Dray and Tjones.

      Ummmm, kinda leaning kicking Warren to the curb especially since Kieff is staying for now. I’d be fine losing Embiid, but you can’t put StanJo there at IR right? But yeah, RHJ can go

      • jon says:
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        @JB Gilpin: I still feel like Warren gonna eat a ton, and Hornacek likes him. Idea would be drop Embiid and assume someone else starts the year a little banged up. What about Warren vs. Capela?

        • JB Gilpin

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          @jon: Well the problem with Warren is he just has a very fantasy unfriendly game. Lots of mid-range, no 3s, not much D stats. Ah gotcha, yeah I wouldn’t burn that IR spot with Embiid all year either. I kinda like Capela for the blocks, especially when there’s the inevitable Dwight injury

  108. DK says:
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    The new yahoo ranks have my drafting all messed up. Having last pick in 14 man H2H 9 cat is a pain too. I am now playing with the scenario where the top popular picks are all gone — No top 10 (Wall, Lillard etc gone). Popular top 15 yahoo picks all gone too — Gobert, Millsap, Butler, Klay, Kawhi.

    I am confused on what I should take my round 1-4. Favors being ranked higher makes things hard now because round 3-4, Favors is gone by then. I am stuck with more wings and 3rd tier PGs. Which makes option 3 below even more appealing.

    Is Draymond really ranked that high? Can I get your insight on his rank?

    So I was thinking the following:
    1. Draymond/Bledsoe
    2. Ibaka/Bledsoe to lock up that PG big comobo early
    3. Draymond/Ibaka for full big! I just have to make sure I get 2 PG for 3rd/4th round
    4. Last alternative – 2 elite wings like Draymond + Klay/Leonard/Butler (if available)

    • kai says:
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      @DK: might be sacrilege but I’d think about draymond/butler (or Ibaka) and just pick two of the lesser PGs with good ast and stl. Some combo of Dragic / Rubio / Payton / Monta / Jackson should be totally fine in a league this deep (and then pick up Mudiay!!!). I am a sucker for defensive stats though and that team is probably hurting for points and percentages.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @DK: @kai: Well one plus with kai’s scenario is you can take the TO prone PG and feel better about it.

        It’s certainly not sacrilege, but I like option 1. Then at 3-4 hope at least one of the bigs fell that far – Noel, Whiteside, Favors, etc. Then the best of the PG still there i.e. Teague, Dragic etc.

        BBmonster had Dray 20th overall last year, and a few names ahead have fallen down – Kyrie, Aldridge – and some are a little old next to risk – Gasols. Take those 4 out and he’s 16, and maybe build in a few extra minutes and a tad more upside to improve. Last year was no fluke.

    • CTMN says:
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      @DK: If I was in that spot I would just take Drummond/Bledsoe. Drummond’s non-existent turnovers help even out Bledsoe’s. Those 2 give you a good start in all the counting stats, besides 3s. FG% starts pretty well and of course the big problem would be that you’d be punting FT%.
      You could supplement them with a Reggie/Dragic type, along with another big in rounds 3/4.

      • DK says:
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        @CTMN: hmm if you put it like that it doesn’t sound too bad. Quite a good combo there. But wouldn’t Ibaka + Bledsoe be better without having to punt FT?

        My issue after this is 3rd 4th round. Getting a PG is no issue. The bigs are dried up. In all my mocks, favors, noel and Whiteside are already gone. Which means the only big left would be KAT, Tyson and Gortat or… Dieng even.

        Makes me almost want to go 2 bigs at 1st round and settle for PGs like Dragic/Rjax even though they aren’t exactly elite PGs.

      • DK says:
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        @CTMN:
        Mocking a 14 pick. Well, I tried to go the punting route and see if it works for the lack of big man (Assuming Gobert is out). As expected, Favors is gone by 3/4 round. This is tough. Now I feel that there is serious lack of true C that can reb/blk by 3rd round. There’s still usually plenty of PGs left because yahoo bump their ranks down quite a bit. Which makes me rethink my strategy and the need to reach for players like KAT/Tyson for my 4th pick if Favors is gone in real draft.

        So it is something like Drummond, Bledsoe, PG, KAT,

        1. Andre Drummond (Det – PF,C)
        2. Eric Bledsoe (Pho – PG,SG)
        3. Goran Dragic (Mia – PG,SG)
        4. Jeff Teague (Atl – PG)
        5. Andrew Wiggins (Min – SG,SF)
        6. Karl-Anthony Towns (Min – C)
        7. Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
        8. Markieff Morris (Pho – PF,C)
        9. P.J. Tucker (Pho – SG,SF)
        10. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (Det – SG)
        11. John Henson (Mil – PF,C)
        12. Mo Williams (Cle – PG,SG)
        13. Jerian Grant (NY – PG)

        • JB Gilpin

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          @DK: Yeah I def like Bledsoe + Ibaka more.

          I just feel like the difference between Lillard/Dragic is wider than like Blake Griffin/Noel. Also it’s much more unlikely huge PG come off the wire, while blockers have seemed to emerge the past few years (Whiteside). But yeah yahoo does have low pre-ranks for PG.

          • DK says:
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            @JB Gilpin: would you take Ibaka over Draymond for your big PG combo?

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              @DK: Ummm, that’s tough, I have Green higher. Be hard to pass on Green if here’s there, I’d prob have to take him

  109. Dragos says:
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    Hello, guys !
    Just wanna say thanks to the Razzball team for sharing such golden basketball knowledge ! Keep up the good work, guys ! I’m not a BBall fantasy PRO, but this is my 4th fantasy season, my 3rd Yahoo Winner league participation and i hope i can accomplish the 3-peat ! Here are some thoughts i’d like to share with razzball.com readers on ROTO 9 CAT competitive leagues: Injuries to key players are tough to overcome, but IMO a well thought trade, at the right moment, can turn your season around for the best ! Not to mention snatching guys like Whiteside from the wire 🙂 To prove my point:
    Last year i had a really uninspired draft for my winner league team:
    Harden,
    Brook Lopez,
    D.Jordan,
    N. Vuck,
    J Holiday,
    Terence Jones,
    Jose Calderon,
    Luol. Deng,
    Antetokounmpo,
    J. Lin,
    Dieng,
    A. Burks,
    Chalmers
    Full of injured players or poor choises…But i still won the league by trading (post ASB) Jordan for Millsap (good trade) and B Lopez for Batum (bad trade if you consider Lopez’s play post ASB, but good overall for my team, due to my needs for 3’s and assists at that time), i can brag snatching Lou Will and Whiteside from the wire, too :). What i’m saying is: one should not be discouraged by injuries or missfired draft picks, you have 738 slots to fill up during the course of the season, make it count ! The tricky part is: do you keep some slots free for the season finale, or you use as many as you can while your best players are still healty? Of course, having Harden on your team helps too 🙂
    Here’s my Yahoo Winner team for this fantasy season, any comments ?
    ROTO / 9 CAT / 12 TEAMS (3RD PICK)
    HalfMen/HalfAmazing
    1. (3) James Harden (Hou – SG,SF)
    2. (22) Draymond Green (GS – SF,PF)
    3. (27) Eric Bledsoe (Pho – PG,SG)
    4. (46) Nerlens Noel (Phi – PF,C)
    5. (51) Kemba Walker (Cha – PG)
    6. (70) Isaiah Thomas (Bos – PG)
    7. (75) Danilo Gallinari (Den – SF)
    8. (94) Terrence Jones (Hou – SF,PF)
    9. (99) Gorgui Dieng (Min – PF,C)
    10. (118) Myles Turner (Ind – C)
    11. (123) Jordan Clarkson (LAL – PG)
    12. (142) Alec Burks (Uta – PG,SG)
    13. (147) Jusuf Nurkic (Den – C)
    Great hopes for T Jones, Turner and IT, not so sure about Walker, at 51st had the chance to get Rubio or R. Jackson instead…
    Good luck in the 2015-2016 Basketball fantasy season for all razzball.com readers and for the entire Razzball team !

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dragos: Thanks for dropping by! If anyone asks about 9cat roto advice, I’m pointing them to this comment!

      So with 9 cat, how much do you pay attention to TO (assuming 9th cat is TO)? Seems like in roto, you have a ton of TO to overcome a 1 or 2 there. Walker I am likely avoiding in roto due to the FG%. Although all 3 of those guys have warts for roto. Love your later picks as I like them all for sleepers.

      Good luck this year!

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        @JB Gilpin:
        TRUE.. TO’s and FG% are a big concern with this build, but “Little Lebron” at 27 – hard to say no 🙂 Hope the sleepers will produce big time on multi-cat level , anyway, most of them will definitely be fun to have in the lineup ! All the best, JB, thanks for the reply !

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Dragos: Oh for sure, Bledsoe is a great value there! Yeah this will be a very fun team. Any time, thanks for stopping by!

  110. Matthew says:
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    Who woukd you pick as second puck( Davis gone) in 10 man h2h 10 cat league and how would you build your team after that? Thank you and keep up with a good work 🙂

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matthew: I’m likely going Harden in all formats, but what is the 10th category, FGM? That tends to be the 10th past the standard 9, if so it’s most definitely Harden. Thanks man, any time!

  111. Moose Alces says:
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    btw, there are too many rookies on this list. Take a look at rookie performance from prior seasons. Basically only guys who start are top 200. I think a lot of the rookies in the bottom half of this list should be replaced by more ‘boring’ players like CJ Miles, and bounceback candidates like Josh McRoberts.

    • Slim

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      @Moose Alces: Yeah there probably are… but CJ Miles isn’t moving into my top 200 anytime soon. Now he has to contend with Ellis and George for wing minutes, Stuckey is going to play, they brought in Budinger to play some wing minutes. I think Toney Douglas plays and they keep saying the rookie Joseph Young is going to play. I would be shocked if Miles gets the minutes he got last year. I’d peg him around 20 minutes, something like…
      .400/.815/1.6/10.0/2.3/1.0/0.7/0.3/1.0 :20

      McBob feels way too risky to take in the top 200. I imagine minutes will be held in check big time and I really don’t know what kind of role he’s going to have with Whiteside in town. Meh, I’ll gamble on a youngster 1st.