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Like our heavy doses of position eligibility at the wings, PF has guys all over the place, with the most players within my top-200.  Wait, why isn’t Giannis a PF, he could technically play PF if he needed to!  Dude is 7’0!  He really should have the PG, SG, SF, PF, C eligibility…  Hah!  Luckily PF is still a very malleable enough position to do a few things with in your drafts, and it’s not until we get to C that it really starts locking up.  Here’s the top PF for the 2016-17 fantasy basketball season, in tiers:

The “One is the loneliest number that you’ll ever do!” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
1 4 Kevin Durant, GS (27) SF, PF These top 4 are so razor close that I have some major chafing going on. I still expect Durant to be amazing, it’s just we have 4 amazing players.

The “I feel weird about these tiers so far in PF, but I think this is the 2nd tier here!” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
2 6 Anthony Davis, NO (23) PF, C If we knew Brow would play 75+ games I migggghhhht lean him over KAT, but we all know the risk. GET THE PELS NEW MEDICAL PEOPLE!
3 11 LeBron James, CLE (31) SF, PF I feel like his dominant playoff run is clouding some judgment, as the Cavs are gonna coast harder than Usian Bolt in Olympic qualifiers. No need to push Bron, and the Cavs end with 3 games in the H2H semis and 4 in the finals, with back-to-backs in both. Might only get 4-5 games the pivotal final two weeks.

The “JFC, it feels like I’m gonna make a million tiers, but this feels like a tier dammit!” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
4 14 Paul Millsap, ATL (31) SF, PF More perimeter touches with Dwight clogging the lane, such an underrated commodity.
DOWN – I’m not THAT concerned, but he’s over 30 and just had a minor knee procedure. Gimme the PGs first. Will amend his spot in the Overall Ranks in the next few days
5 16 DeMarcus Cousins, SAC (26) PF, C Missed 40 games the past two seasons, FT% came crumbling down around a huge volume, and without Rondo, look for Boogie to turn it over like the good ol’ days as well. Not close to a first-rounder for me anymore.
6 17 Draymond Green, GS (26) SF, PF Takes a slight nudge down to the nards with the GSW Dream Team assemblage, but he should still be the same #Occupy we know and love, but could no longer bear children with…

The “Are you getting annoyed with how many times you’ve read the word ‘tier’ in my titles yet?” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
7 23 Kristaps Porzingis, NY (21) PF, C The Posion Goose! Only rookie to score more than 1,000 points, grab 500-plus rebounds, make 75-plus 3-pointers and block more than a 100 shots. USG may hurt next to Melo/Rose, but he’ll still get his, and get dem swats on top of everything.
8 24 Al Horford, BOS (30) PF, C The way B-Rad runs rotations, I’m a little worried about the minutes being 29-30. Slim has more faith. His game is suited for a long career, but I worry about some early Boston meshing as well.
9 25 Blake Griffin, LAC (27) PF, C Disaster 15-16, but BG is playing for a contract (he’ll likely get max either way, but ya know) and I think bounces back fine, as long as you’re not on the Clip staff and clown him at dinner.
10 30 LaMarcus Aldridge, SA (31) PF, C Slim dislikes Aldridge with a Patrick Patterson-esque fury, but LA was 9th in per-game last year the final 31 games, and scores with a big volume of great FG% with virtually no TO. Being on the old Spurs is annoying though…

The “Like SF, this is where you target your stats in the mid-rounds, and maybe reach for some upside (cough, Jokic, cough!)…” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
11 32 Gorgui Dieng, MIN (26) PF, C Choo Choo! Who’s with me on the hype train?! Through games 14-82 – 10.8/7.5/2.0/1.1/1.2 with 53.9% from the field and 82.6 FT%. That was only in 28:30 MPG and not starting half those games. I think Slim is a little light on the projection with upside to play huge minutes for Tibby Tibs.
12 34 Carmelo Anthony, NY (32) SF, PF With the facilitating ineptitude of Rose and coming off a career high in dimes, I could see Melo be a sneaky 5.0 AST source. We know scoring will be there with bleh peripheral stats, but me likey if his name value sours his ADP too much.
13 35 Kevin Love, CLE (27) PF, C Small steps up in per-minute stats, Love has gone from injury-plagued first rounder to low-upside mid-rounder. Might make your leaguemates fall asleep with this pick.
14 36 Serge Ibaka, ORL (26) PF, C Blocks dropping, turning into a jump shooter that is hurting FG%… He was clearly out of my top-50 pre-trade, but has some great upside for an expanded offensive role in ORL.
15 37 Derrick Favors, UTA (25) PF, C Favors would be 10 higher if not for back-to-back seasons with back-to-back spasms. Also the blocks didn’t come along like we thought… Love his game, hate the risk.
16 38 Chandler Parsons, MEM (27) SF, PF 19.0/5.9/3.1/1.1/0.3 with an unreal 2.6 treys on 51.9% FG shooting his last 26 games. Yes, two straight seasons ending with knee issues, but I believe in Memphis believing in him. By the transitive property, I therefore believe in Parsons.
17 40 Jae Crowder, BOS (26) SF, PF The Boston Clam Crowder! Sexy 1.7 swipes from a forward and I don’t see a way he could finish much worse than the 32nd per-game 15-16 he had.
18 41 Pau Gasol, SA (36) PF, C Old and Spurs, go together like hangovers and carnival rides. You just have to build in a lot of regression, especially in minutes, but he can still be top-50 serviceable.
19 45 Nikola Jokic, DEN (21) PF, C The love is starting to get strong for this one! In per-game/per-36 min stats, he was 13th in the NBA last year. And not like he played mop up minutes, he started a ton, just Mike Malone wouldn’t play him. Gives you a legit 9-cat impact, even though no one stat shines.
20 47 Nicolas Batum, CHA (27) SF, PF A tad more upside for Frenchy with Lin gone, but he had a career-high in TO last year and always struggles in FG%, so those hurt him a tad.
21 48 Nikola Vucevic, ORL (25) PF, C I thought I was going to be a smidge above consensus on Ibaka, but turns out I don’t want any part of the Magic frontcourt after all, especially Vuch. Any lapses on D, and Bis is gonna get the Business!
22 49 Nerlens Noel, PHI (22) PF, C Still the allure of 2/2 STL/BLK! Sixers keep saying one of the bigs will be gone – make a deal already!
23 50 Tobias Harris, ORL (24) SF, PF So underrated. After getting traded to Motown, the numbers all boosted up – better FG%, 3+ PPG, more FT volume, more 3s, and a much better AST:TO that went from 2.0:1.6 in ORL to 2.6:1.1 in D-town. Full off-season with his new crew, and this could be an awesome, metrics-friendly season.

The “HUGE dropoff before you get to this weird mix of guys…” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
24 65 Rudy Gay, SAC (30) SF, PF Gay only scores. Despite the real-life basketball metrics hating him though, he was 46th last year despite dropping from 3.7 to 1.7 dimes with Rondo hawgin’ it. No Rondo, mo’ dimes! But this is looking like a messier and messier divorce, with Gay publicly putting out there he’s opting out next year. Virtually any trade is going to hurt, plus he has to deal with internal strife for however long he plays in 16-17 with the Kings.
25 70 Myles Turner, IND (20) PF, C From game 41-82, i.e. the “legit” 2nd half of the season, he went 12.2/6.4/0.9/0.5/1.7 in 26.6 MPG, shooting 49.7% from the field, 73.9% from the stripe, and only committing 1.4 TO. Seasonal numbers get jacked up due to low minutes out of the gate and coming off the broken thumb prior to this run.
26 73 Dirk Nowizki, DAL (38) PF, C I’m glad I’m including ages, because that explains the only reason why The Gerimator is this low. He stands the test of time, but we’ll see if he can hold up another full NBA season.
27 76 Aaron Gordon, ORL (21) SF, PF Vogel – “I’ma use A-Gord like P-George!” Me – erection.
28 77 Robert Covington, PHI (25) SF, PF FG% remains a big issue, but his post-ASB got to 31:10 MPG with an absurd 3.3 treys and gorgeous 15.6/7.0/1.5/1.5/0.6 slash. Another strong fit for FG% punt.

The “Big hodgepodge of junk, punts, and everything dunce” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
29 85 Luol Deng, LAL (31) SF, PF 15.2/8.1/2.5/1.2/0.5 over the final 28 games, with 1.1 treys shooting 48.4% with only 1.4 TO. Yes – no Bosh – but it’s not like the Lakers have a murderers row up front. Another unsexy name that I think will fall too far.
30 86 Thaddeus Young, IND (28) SF, PF I think he’s going to be a little overdrafted, as his better numbers have come on awful PHI and BKN teams. I’m not quite sure how he’ll fit into the Pacers up-tempo system, as he’s likely the #5 option.
31 90 Ryan Anderson, HOU (28) PF, C Ryno, the ThraAGNOF bigman dyno! If you get 70 games of his 3PTM/C combo, you’re happy.
32 91 DeMarre Carroll, TOR (30) SF, PF In a limited sample due to injuries, 3PTM and STL were both career highs, At least all of his injury issues last year didn’t lead to some big surgery. I could see a nice big bounceback.
33 95 Joakim Noah, NYK (31) PF, C Goromotaro! I do like his upside for dimes continuing to play with Rose, but even if this is looking FANTASTIC through 20 games, I would sell immediately due to brittleness.
34 97 Greg Monroe, MIL (26) PF, C I have to rank him somewhere, although admittedly this hate might be going too far. I worry where he lands in an inevitable trade, as the Bucks hate him.
35 98 Justice Winslow, MIA (20) SF, PF I’m admittedly a little iffy with this rank, but the combo of 0.9 STL and only 1.2 TO as a rookie excites me, as well as an expanded role. FT% is a little bit of an issue, but I think he can surprise, especially if no Bosh.
36 99 Markieff Morris, WAS (27) PF, C FG% went WAY up even though he took more 3s, TO way down, and same STL/BLK after getting to the Wiz. Still only 27, with a full offseason with the new crew, there could be something here.
37 100 Jabari Parker, MIL (21) SF, PF An unreal 18.8/6.2/2.2/1.1/0.3 line over his last 29 games, which I originally felt was unrepeatable and blah without threes but…
UP – Now no Duchess, so there’s a legit shot he could push for 20 PPG. With the added rebounds and still some youthful upside, I’m a buyer now.
38 103 Matt Barnes, SAC (36) SF, PF One of my favorite late round staples, Barnes follows Joerger – who apparently loves him – to SAC, where he is going to play both F positions. 1/1/1 3/STL/BLK gonna be tough to find any later!
39 104 Marcus Morris, DET (27) SF, PF Not flashy, but only has missed 3 games the last 3 seasons, and offers a nice well-rounded scoring boost.
40 106 Marvin Williams, CHA (30) SF, PF As metrics-whorey as it comes, with only 0.8 TO last year in a spread line. I don’t know if I buy 45+ FG% again or the 1.0 BLK though…
41 107 Jared Sullinger, TOR (24) PF, C The Raptors desperately need deep shooting from guys other than Lowry (and I guess Carroll), but at well under 30% from downtown in his career, I think it could get a little ugly, and I don’t think we see this huge 1+/1+ STL/BLK season either.
42 109 Dwight Howard, ATL (30) PF, C Obviously a fun FT punt asset if he lasts this long, but the TO issues, injury-proneness, and changing to another team worry me a smidge. I think the resurgence season last year was an anomaly to his career trends.
43 112 Clint Capela, HOU (22) PF, C More D’Antoniiiii! Obviously a must-draft for FT punters; for other builds, the upside in Boards-n-Blocks is capped a little due to the drain.

The “Late round flier” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
44 121 Mason Plumlee, POR (26) PF, C 4.8 dimes in the postseason, and shot 64.2% at the stripe which is a big step forward. Maybe he can be a sneaky C dimes source, and has played all 82 the past 2 years.
45 124 Zach Randolph, MEM (35) PF, C We know about what we’ll get, and he barely turns it over, for a PTS/REB source I would buy at this point.
46 126 Julius Randle, LAL (21) PF About as low-hyped as we could get for a guy who averaged a dubdub as a rook… FG% and lack of D stats hurt.
47 128 Nikola Mirotic, CHI (25) SF, PF I’d be much more intrigued if they didn’t bring in Wade squeezing out SF minutes as I don’t think he’s a great fit at PF due to defensive issues.
48 130 Bismack Biyombo, ORL (24) PF, C Not investing in the ORL frontcourt, but there’s obviously Boards-n-Blocks usability with your last pick or two here. Even if he’s coming off the bench, it should be for good minutes.
49 134 Amir Johnson, BOS (29) PF, C Sneaky punt-FT target with a great FG% and bad FTs. I was surprised to actually like Amir this year, but with no Sully, there isn’t heavy-hitting PF to really rival Amir’s role. Love dem D stats.
50 135 Michael Beasley, MIL (27) SF, PF In only 18 MPG, Beasley went 12.8/4.9 with a usable-enough 0.6/0.5 STL/BLK in his stint in Houston, I already liked him as a sleeper and then he gets traded to a BETTER situation! They obviously need scoring, but unfortunately he’s not a huge perimeter shooter, so I’m not sure exactly what his role will be.
51 136 Al Jefferson, CHA (31) PF, C Big Al has big tread on the big tires, but could easily go 11/6 with low TO for a backend big. But hopefully someone else in your league nabs him higher for name value 🙂
52 137 Kenneth Faried, DEN (26) PF, C You’re probably hoping for a trade to be honest… Even in a low MPG role out of the gate if he’s still in DEN, I think there’s enough for early-season ownership.
53 138 Alex Len, PHO (23) PF, C Only gets ranked here due to upside – he was a trainwreck when a starter last year, and projected to still come behind grandpa Tyson. More a stash-and-hope.
54 141 Al-Farouq Aminu, POR (26) SF, PF I don’t buy that a guy had a FG% of 41.6 – right where it was last year – while going from 1.7 to 4.3 treys attempted. 36.1% from deep seems like an epic fluke to me, and his ups and downs make him too annoying to own for me to invest.
55 144 Taj Gibson, CHI (31) PF, C With Noah and Pau outta there, there’s a shot for 28-29 MPG with a 9/9 1.3 BLK sort of line, with a great FG%. Low end, but usable.
56 149 Jared Dudley, PHO (31) SG, SF Probably a forgotten name come draft day, but did go 10.1/3.9/2.7/1.2/0.2 over 39 games while Wiz had injuries, with 1.7 treys and shooting almost 50%. Has a chance to replicate that as the Suns starting SF or PF.
57 152 Cody Zeller, CHA (23) PF, C Even with Big Al replaced by a worthless Roy Hibbert, I don’t see a big climb in MPG. I think they swing Frank the Tank to some C minutes and Hawes might get some run there too. Volume is just too low to perk me up.
58 154 Omri Casspi, SAC (28) SF, PF A key FT punt target – Casspi hits 3s and shoots a good % while having a tough time at the stripe. A Gay trade locked in stone will boost him a good bit for me.
59 155 John Henson, MIL (25) PF, C Well, an OBVIOUS FT target, and a Monroe trade locked in stone boosts HIM up a bit!
60 156 JaMychal Green, MEM (26) PF I think this rank will be a surprise last-round flier, but he’ll be a backup last round target for me in 12ers, especially for the beginning of the year. The Grizz lack A TON of depth up front, and he had a 16 game stretch in March of 12.6/7.4/2.3/0.9/0.8 in under 29 MPG. On non-Gasol nights, he could easily do that.
61 157 Mirza Teletovic, MIL (31) SF, PF Was going to be a ThrAGNOF off the bench for the Bucks with a murky outlook for minutes; alas, Middleton is out most of the year, and the Bucks DESPERATELY need perimeter shooting. They’ll find a way to play Teletovic a good bit, but I’m not going too crazy… ThrAGNOF!
62 159 Bobby Portis, CHI (21) PF, C Shooting for the upside here – when unleashed the D stats didn’t come too strong, but he can hit FT and treys. Give him run, Rolo sucks!

The “Undraftable in 12ers” Tier:

PF RANK OVERALL RANK PLAYER, TEAM, AGE POS NOTE
63 160 Dragan Bender, PHO (18) PF Really struggled in Summer Ball, but I like him for the added SF opportunity with Tucker hurt. It’s so weird he’s 7+ feet and going to play SF…
64 163 Willie Cauley-Stein, SAC (23) PF, C 0.7/1.0 STL/BLK was AWESOME in 21:23 MPG last year, but 5.3 REB? And I don’t know if we see that MPG jump with Joerger saying Matt Barnes is gonna play some 4.
65 164 Terrence Jones, NO (24) SF, PF What’s a lot sexier than Brow/Asik? Brow/Tjones! But then Brow would get pounded by centers, and it would be the most brittle frontline in history… There is a rapport between the two from their Kentucky days, but it’s a pure spec final pick that might not have enough MPG to be usable out of the gate.
66 165 Tristan Thompson, CLE (25) PF, C You know what you get here – and I would’ve had him even lower if not for 82 games played the past 4 seasons – durable rock for deepers though!
67 168 Trey Lyles, UTA (21) PF Scored more than Nick Young at a rave club in Summer Ball! Hit treys (that’s his name!) and boarded, but anemic in AST/STL/BLK. Should be good instant O off the Jazz bench, but not seeing an ownable guy out of the gates in 12ers.
68 175 Dario Saric, PHI (22) PF More TO than AST in Euro play, so I’m not sure I buy the point-F hype, plus he’s a bench player… You never know what could happen with his upside, so he’s only a deep league flier…
69 177 Dwight Powell, DAL (25) PF Some talent here as well! 14.5/9.9/1.6/1.3/0.9 in per-36 minutes with only 1.5 TO, and should have a big expanded role with a new contract, and Carlisle saying as much.
70 178 Trevor Booker, BKN (28) PF PF in BKN is a mess. I think Scola could start, but the biggest upside I think is for the Bookworm. Didn’t have consistent fantasy production when given minutes last year, but can board, hit a trey, and provide a few D stats.
71 179 Ed Davis, POR (27) PF, C I’d like Big Ed more if I wasn’t a Plumlee buyer, but 0.7/0.9 STL/BLK and 7.4 boards is maybe replicable, although I could see a few less minutes if they expand Mason.
72 181 Brandan Wright, MEM (28) PF, C Gets a flier rank due to possible starts coming if Gasol misses any time or second legs of b2bs. Has injury issues of his own and can’t play a ton of minutes in a game, so even in non-Gasol games, upside is a little capped.
73 186 Jerami Grant, PHI (22) SF, PF Yes, the deck is heavily stacked against him, but 0.7/1.6 STL/BLK in only 26:50 last year! Might have a shot at usability if he gets the run/there’s a trade preseason.
74 193 Meyers Leonard, POR (24) PF, C Just does nothing in AST/STL/BLK and is a bench player. Meh.
75 200 Patrick Patterson, TOR (27) PF, C Mr. irrelevant! Although, he was about to be out of the ranks until The Duchess got hurt… Meh, we know what he is, blah stats but gets em across the board with low TO.
76 ⇓ ? Ben Simmons, PHI (20) SF, PF Bad FG% and high TO – he proved that outlook in a small Summer Ball sample – but dimes from PF could be mad interesting.
DOWN – I haven’t done my re-ranks yet, but I think he’ll stay in the top-200, barely, after recently breaking his foot. Terrible news for the Sixers, who aren’t catching any breaks during their “process”…
  1. Melo says:
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    YOOOOO, what’s up JB!?

    I had my auction draft last night, so I want to hear what do you think about my new team!

    Lowry
    Rubio
    Elfrid Payton
    Beal
    Korver
    Bazemore
    Gallinari
    Winslow
    Deng
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Markieff Morris
    Enes Kanter
    Boogie Cousins

    Last 2 picks were Deng and Korver, I really did not know what to take there, 1 will be probably be streamer. Obviously I’m shorthanded in blocks but I can live with that, everything else seems in right balance. What do you think? Should I add a little more size, reb/blocks? What cats to improve?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Melo: Yooo what’s up man?! I actually kinda like Deng this year, indeed not a ton of upside though. Love you guards, I think you have enough boards, I think indeed some blocks will be something to look for. Nice overall squad tho!

  2. fsociety00 says:
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    We just had our draft (14 teams H2H 9-cat). I am Pick 7 and I just wanna know your thoughts with how my teams goes.

    #7 G.Antetokounmpo
    #22 D.Jordan
    #35 V.Oladipo
    #50 J.Crowder
    #63 J.Teague
    #78 A.Gordon
    #91 C.Parsons
    #106 C.Capela
    #119 J.Nurkic
    #134 K.Dunn
    #147 J.R. Smith
    #162 M.Teletovic
    #175 A.Johnson

    I love this site! Definitely looking forward to your every post. Thanks, razzball team!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @fsociety00: Always love me some Giannis! Mannnn, love your punt FT picks 106-134. scoring def looks reallllly low, so maybe that was a conscious punt, but I wouldn’t want to just hand it over with punting FT% already. other than that though, like this team!

      • fsociety00 says:
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        @JB Gilpin: i’m actually little worried about my points. But i think my boards, stls, blks, fg% is kinda solid. Should i go for a trade to add scoring to my team?

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @fsociety00: Ummm, I like the value where you got everyone, so I think you’re OK for now, and just stream the first week or two then see what comes off the wire, I don’t think it’s an urgent matter

  3. Dante Green says:
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    Jesus, Nurkic looked good af. It would surprise me if Faried takes a chunk of his minutes. Man, Nurk needs to play like 31 mins a night!

    • Dante Green says:
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      OK, now that the Suns established that Booker will truly start alongside Bledsoe this season, should I trade for him?? I need to have a Sun on my team!! Lol

      • Slim

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        @Dante Green: I wouldn’t read too much into who starts in the 1st preseason game. If Watson says so then yeah he has top THRAGNOF potential, I just wouldn’t count on steals or too many assists (3ish tops)

        Nurk was 4/9 – 7/7 – 0/15/10/3/2/2 and 3 TOs in 23:26
        Joke was 4/7 – 3/5 – 1/12/6/3/0/1 and 0 TOs in 27:42

        I wouldn’t be surprised if some metrics thought Jokic’s line was better but good lord it isn’t close to me. Nurkic > Jokic and it absolutely blows my mind the difference between where the 2 are being drafted.

        • bahraspower says:
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          @Slim: It’s just one game.In preseason.

          Nurkic hasn’t yet proved he can do something good consistently.I don’t count him out but Jokic is by far the safest pick and can contribute in every single category so i guess the difference in the ADPs is completely normal.

          • Slim

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            @bahraspower: It’s also some of March and April last year, and Nurkic’s healthy offseason, and Jokic’s extremely low USG when playing next to Nurkic, and Nurkic’s extremely high USG no matter who is next to him.

            I guess it depends which rankings you’re using, JB is only about 20 spots off (although I think in the wrong direction) but I guess that isn’t too bad as far as the “safe” pick goes. Y! has them 80 apart which to me is INSANE! Now I do think low volume percents and low TOs has value but I tend to put more value in the counting stats. Nurk will win Pts, Boards, Steals, Blocks easily and even in fewer minutes. Jokic will win FG%, FT%, TOs, with a smidgen of 3s thrown in although those %s will be with very low volume and won’t have any effect whether or not a week is won or lost. Assists are a push. If you started me I won’t hurt your FG%, FT%, or turn the ball over a single time, I guess that makes me top-25… I just don’t get the obsession.

            • kb says:
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              @Slim: Jokic is possibly the best passing big man in the NBA already…hard to see assists as a push.

            • kb says:
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              @Slim:

              and really i can’t see Nurkic winning rebounds, either. Jokic has had a better dREB % in the past as well as during the period of March/April under question. even if Nurk does get more rebounds in the Nurkic/Jokic frontline combo, it will be hard to play them together for too much because they’re the only two centers on the roster, and Darrell Arthur fits better with either than a possible Arthur/Faried lineup. and that is excepting Gallo at the 4…those two months are, need i remind, is about the only bright spot in two years of injury ridden big-man bricking that Nurkic has shown us so far, so it’s relatively easy to chalk up the difference in rankins right now to risk, no?.

              none of that is to take away from the real benefit of Nurk, which is the possibility of 1.5/2.5 steals/blocks (or better). He should be in the Noel tier on that alone. where “the Noel tier” is is probably another source of disagreement.

              • Slim

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                @kb: Yeah it’s tough to compare a guy who hasn’t been healthy until now (and thus should destroy his career per36s) to a guy who was healthy last year. But I’m not ranking these guys based off just last years stats, I’m ranking them based off of everything I can put together. Like Nurk dominating over the summer (Vuc and Mozgov) and playing big minutes (29) vs Jokic being kinda bleh in the olympics and only playing about 20 min in qualifying and 22 when it counted. Oh and last years FT% for Jokic isn’t close to anywhere else he’s played before. Like in those 12 games over the summer he shot .725. 14/15 in Europe he shot .691. I’d take WELL under his .811 last year. Although the volume is low so it isn’t like his FT% has much of an effect either way. It isn’t that I don’t like Jokic, I think around 50-60 is completely reasonable, he isn’t that different than say Gorgui who I would put in that 50-60 range, cause KAT takes away most of his offensive upside too.

                I guess I could see Jokic getting assists up to 3-3.5 and Nurk at 2.5-3. It doesn’t sway me either way.

                • kb says:
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                  @Slim: @Slim: “Like Nurk dominating over the summer (Vuc and Mozgov) and playing big minutes (29)”

                  not sure i understand this…nurk got points because he was the focal point of the offense, but as usual shot 35% from the floor and had 3-5 TOs per game. FIBA qualifying is a lower level of competition than olympics although Nurk was playing on a national team that was a total mess.

                  “vs Jokic being kinda bleh in the olympics and only playing about 20 min in qualifying and 22 when it counted”

                  Not sure how Jokic can be blamed for how the national team is coached, but per 36 Jokic’s olympic performance was 14 / 10 / 3.8 with 2.4 steals and a block on 50% / 74% with almost a 3. “bleh”

                  I agree that Jokic at 81% is unlikely, but at least he has shown what his upside is there. the larger point is largely that he isn’t hurting you in any category – a true multicat – where Nurk is likely to actively hurt FG% (less than 50% on high usage), FT% (60% on relatively high ftr), and TOs

                • kb says:
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                  @Slim:

                  For comparison, Nurkic per 36 #s from qualifying matches vs Sweden and Russia (not exactly world powerhouses):

                  23 / 15 / 1.8 with 1.2 steals / 1.2 blocks and 4.2(!) turnovers on 41% / 69%

                  • Nick says:
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                    @kb:

                    For those of you debating against Slim, did you watch the game last night? Nurk was easily the best player when he was on the court. He passes the eye test with flying colours.

                    Yeah it’s preseason, but that’s where coaches get a real sense of what they’re going to do in he regular season and Nurk’s play will be too hard to ignore.

                    BTW he was 12/9/1/2/2 at the half in 14 minutes. If and when he get’s bigger minutes you’ll be happy you got him in the later rounds at bargain price

            • Lasandro says:
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              @slim: hm your metrics argument has me wondering.. Does that mean you don’t value gorgui as highly as @jb gilpin, due to his low volume, metrics friendly game? You’d rather Nurk, if games played and mins were similar to Dieng’s? I met the man and told him that I’ll draft him this season, so gorgui’s gonna be on my team either way haha

              • Slim

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                @Lasandro: Yeah I’ve got Gorgui lower, a percent is only as good as it’s volume. So like Harden/Westbrook with Jokic (8ish attempts per game) will barely have an effect but with BroPez (15-16 attempts per game) it’s going to be noticable.

                • JB Gilpin

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                  @Dante Green: @Slim: @bahraspower: @kb: @Nick: @Slim: @Lasandro: @Slim: Choo Choo! Start the Nurk hype train! Oh wait, that’s Gorgui haha. Gorgui is durable as hell, played all 82 last year, and is a starter on a Tibby Tibs team. Give me Dieng all day.

                  I still like Jokic that 20ish posts ahead of Nurk as well, but I’ve been ringing my bell for Nurk for a while. Look at every single “expert” being outside the top 100, with me 64. Gus Ayonin’!

                  https://www.fantasypros.com/nba/players/jusuf-nurkic.php

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                    @JB Gilpin: did multiple mocks last night w Gallagher of all ppl and nurk never went passed 80. So worrisome a own. We can all wish him to be healthy but you guys touting him at 50 is ruinous and sheeple running to do it is nuts. Upside is one thing that’s like saying dieng has upside and you mix it in w opportunity and his Heath has been good you can reach at 40ish but nurk w mins to be monitored never having full season of burn and then hyped up to 50!?! Nawwwww b. Slow down.

                    • Slim

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                      @Osama: Yeah I get the “hasn’t done it yet” argument, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he can. The knee injury he had was bad and he came back too soon. He looks healthy to me now and i trust them young genes. JBs 64 is good for me. I didn’t take him at 61, went Parsons/Fournier with 3’s/assists being a need, and he didn’t make it to my 84. I was disappointed.

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                  @Slim:

                  Lol All this bickering about who’s the better player! Hah I mean Nurkic passed the eye test with flying colors! I like Jokic, and I would love to have him on my team but jeez, Nurkic looked awesome, really! He was running up and down the court, bringing the ball down at one point, blocking shots, making FTs. I know it was just his first preseason game but if that was any indication of how his season is going to be… Damnnn. And I only drafted him at around 100ish so I really did not overreach. Heh

                  I mean are some people mad because they have Jokic and they’re worried Nurkic is going to outplay him? Lol just kidding. Like I said, I got Nurkic after 100 so it’s all good for me. Anyway, good luck to both of them!

                  • JB Gilpin

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                    @Osama: @Dante Green: Yeah I don’t remember the whole chain, but I don’t think anyone explicity said, “he’s def top 50!” just wondering if so. And people seem to agree he’s lower than that. The important thing to me if that he’s after that RJax, Schroder PG run tier. Then once you get to that 60-80 range, I think he’s worth the upside around there.

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    How the F is KAT not PF eligible when DMC (who really is just a center) and AD are? Has yahoo actually watched the kid play? Can’t pigeon hole him simply because of his awesome height smh. Also, so many tiers.

    Loving Jokic but honestly, I’ve got such a james hardon for Nurk. Even if he didn’t get the stats he did in yesterday’s exhibition, I’d still be excited by what I saw. His passing is incredible! And he and Jokic have this high low relationship that’s just stupid. Is like watching the gasols in their prime playing for Spain. Even tho I’m in a super shallow 14 cat roto, I don’t know if I should wait after the Noahs and the RLos to nab him. I honestly think @slim is right on this one. I get why peeps are excited about Jokic, but the hype should really be stronger with the Bosnian. Lost a lot of weight, was running up and down so fluidly. Think he’ll play 70+ games at around 27 min+? I think Malone would be a fool not to. Also, and what surprised me the most about that game, everyone on the team seems to know how much of an alpha Nurk is. Sure, Gallo is back, but I’ll bet them bigs end the season with more touches. Sht… I’ve turned into slim!! Where’s my didgeridoo?! Wait, I’m Australian – I’ve already got one!!

    • Slim

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      @Lasandro: Welcome to the dark side. Nurk went 76 in my RCL and I had him queued up at 84. Just sayin. I’ve got Nurk well above Noah and RoLo. Noah esp.

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      @Slim: mate, if he plays closer to 30min per and 70 games, why should I hold back from picking him up in the top 50 in roto, or higher? Am I being crazy?

      • Slim

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        @Lasandro: Nurkic definitely loses something in Roto due to the FG% issues. If you can handle that then yeah I think about 50 isn’t unreasonable, but in Roto he definitely loses a bit of shine. I think I’d wait a bit more and take a guy like Gorgui at that 50ish mark in Roto.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Lasandro: @Slim: Hahaha yeah it is interesting KAT is C only… Rookies/2nd year guys seem to take longer to get the elig.

          I don’t think Nurk gets to 27 MPG, at least not initially. Like 22-23 until 28-29 post-ASB for an average of 25ish. And just to reiterate – look at me on Nurk in fantasypros above 🙂

  5. E says:
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    Hey man, appreciate all your hard work you do in the preseason and during the season, excited to get back at it!

    Question about a league I’m playing in, how would you approach the draft and in season management with settings like this:

    Roster spots:
    PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, UTIL, UTIL, BN, BN, BN

    11 CAT league, standard 9 cat plus offensive rebounds and minutes.

    No move maximum for the year, 7 move max per week.

    How would you approach this? Draft big men early and stream guards and forwards?

    Thanks

  6. kb says:
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    in a $250 keeper league (my other keepers are KAT, Kyrie, Goose)

    Horford $38
    M. Turner $0

    Horford fits the build better, but Turner is a better deal short and long term and gives the opportunity to devistatingly lock up all three of the high block / good ft% / possible range sophomores long term

    • JB Gilpin

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      @kb: Whewwwwww. It’s pretty close. Such a discrepancy in budgets, gimme $0 Turner!

  7. Bill says:
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    For a FT% punt team, how many PF/C players should i pick for my 12 man roster? Starting positions are PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C

    Thanks

  8. Dave says:
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    would you trade Dragic for Chandler Parsons? in a 12 team H2H with turnovers, I’m leaning towards punting fg since i have Harden. my other pgs are Payton, Frazier, Bledsoe and i get a little bit of assist boost from noah.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Dave: Hmmm, yeah with your G depth, I think I go upside of Parsons! I might be a little alone on that island, but I see big thanks for Parsons this yr

  9. Drez1 says:
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    What do you guys think about Saric with Simmons potentially out for the season? Thinking I should probably try to sell high, but I’m not sure what range of player I should target (mid rounder?) I’m desperate for a center, too. Any guys you’d target with Saric? Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Drez1: Saric for Nurk! Do it! Do it! If you’re a FT punt, I would do it for Capela…. I’d shoot for the stars with the buzz this high, Cs that went in the 80-100 range? Hope that helps!

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        @JB Gilpin:

        I was thinking Nurk since his owner has Simmons too, lol. I’ll give it a shot. Thanks mayne.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Drez1: Nice! Hope it works!

  10. Nont nontiskul says:
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    Hi jb , I’m drafting. Auction format 20 players deep roto league on Friday. Which strategy should I use ? 1). Draft harden (which I think going to be overprice around 87-90) to Get that 20 point in ft cat.

    Or 2). Draft giannis which should be around 55-60. And get a more well rounded team. Thank you

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nont nontiskul: Of those projected draft day costs, I think I like Giannis. Don’t forget Harden is going to have you likely in single digits in TO too, on top of the FT boost.

  11. Justin says:
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    In a 10 team. 9 cat h2h. I had the 9th pick. Here’s my team. What u think?

    Giannis, Bledsoe, Chris Paul, schroder, Lin, payton
    Draymond, gorgui, pau, Noah
    Parsons, bazemore, deng

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Justin: Love Giannis there! Great D stats! Damn Paul, Giannis, Dray is unbelievable value 1/2/3. You’re almost TOO overloaded at PG, which I rarely say. I think you could use one more scorer and probably a big, so I might shop Bledsoe for Aldridge or Schroder + something small for Favors, something like that

      • justin says:
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        @JB Gilpin: thanks for the reply. yeh i thought i went overboard with the guards. but honestly there was better value at guards than the big men at that point. i may let the season start and see how bledsoe and schroder do and then send offers accordingly.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @justin: Yup for sure, your value on paper is probably unparalleled in your league. Then yeah, a good sell high/ buy low in a G for big swap would be great

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