Slim and I dressed up in suits and bow ties, Slim gelled his beard, I flossed for the first time since 2011, and we went in and crashed the Yahoo Friends & Family League! What fantasy basketball draft isn’t improved with an early Latrell Spreewell joke in the draft chat?
So with the updated Yahoo player ranks eerily mimicking a lot of our sleeper calls, Slim and I had to really pull A Beautiful Mind to get our draft strategy in order. On top of drafting with some experts, league settings were a major factor in our strategy. The league is a 12 team H2H, but instead of RCL/default week 21-23 playoff schedule, the Y! F&F is weeks 22-24. Right away, all Cavaliers were absolutely off-limits. Looking at Slim’s ridiculously awesome breakdown of playoff schedules, the Cavs have 3 games week 22, 2 in week 23, then week 24 is the final 10 days of the season. I’m not even going to look at their schedule, since there’s a good chance the Cavs rest their starters for several games in that final 10 days. The experts knew this too, as Kevin Love fell to 15th overall, with us passing on him with pick 14.
The other main settings differences were roster composition and the league is weekly with only 2 moves allowed a week. The roster breakdown is PG, SG, SF, PF, C, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL, UTIL, BN, BN, BN. Slim and I unanimously agreed to go PG and C heavy, filling out SG/SF with ThrAGNOFs. Limited moves also made us want to hoard PG since fewer will break out off the wire. Here’s how team Razzball (will be co-managed by both of us) panned out:
Round 1, Pick 11 – Serge Ibaka – PF, C – This was an easy one! I’ve been one of the industry leaders on Ibaka since the offseason last year, and it was a near certainty that he was going to be our first pick with a late draft spot. If John Wall had fallen we might’ve taken him first and hoped Ibaka would fall to 14, and we would have absolutely taken Kevin Durant (went 8th). Another factor for taking Durant is the weekly league aspect. You more or less have 3 IR spots that do nothing for you.
Round 2, Pick 14 – Paul Millsap – PF, C – Got a little tougher here, even though I’m so huge on Millsap. Slim is too, but we had Kevin Love on the board. In my ranks I still have Love higher, but in a league with the playoff schedule EVEN WORSE for the Cavs, we just couldn’t do it. And it’s rougher on the Cavs with it being a weekly league. Can you really play Love in the semis with only 2 games?! I don’t think so… Awesome start, giving us great FG% with 2 steals and 4 blocks a game locked up.
Round 3, Pick 35 – Derrick Favors – PF, C – Soooo, three straight bigs huh?! We were hoping Goran Dragic would fall (or Ty Lawson), but they went 30 then 31 respectively. Our strategy of heavy bigs and PG is still going fine, and with us both big Favors fans, we were happy with this pick. We won’t be able to stream any counting stats late in the week, so we’re up to 3 steals and 6 blocks a game from our bigs. That’s going to be tough to beat against us, since we don’t even have guards factoring into our steals yet.
Round 4, Pick 38 – Ricky Rubio – PG – Lock up those counting stats! With our solid bigs, Rubio’s FG% can be easily handled, and we’re feeling really solid in steals and blocks while starting our PG run for assists. Really feeling good about all categories now, except points/treys.
Round 5, Pick 59 – Jeff Teague – PG – A perfect, perfect fit, although if Jrue Holiday fell here which he almost did, we would’ve had to take him first. We need a PG with assists… and need points/treys. “You have MCW so much higher JB, what’s the deal, you get rattled in the draft?!” Pa-hah! Clever Kathy. Slim and I were sure to be draft ninjas, and Basketball Monster Phan was our only opposing drafter between picks. I had his ranks up compared to our on FantasyPros, and he’s got MCW 75 and Teague 59. We knew MCW would get around to us so locked up Teague.
Round 6, Pick 62 – Michael Carter-Williams – PG – More PG! And some treys! We all know my love for MCW, and even if we bench him the first week or two, it doesn’t hurt our team in the least.
Round 7, Pick 83 – Isaiah Thomas – PG – Threes! Points! Point guard! Really for some unfathomable reason, teams were avoiding PG depth like the plague. We mentioned IT2 as a main target right after MCW and it made this an easy one.
Round 8, Pick 86 – Larry Sanders – PF, C – Last year was obviously an unmitigated disaster. But at this value, an extra high-upside, counting stats big man was an incredible find. Brook Lopez was a big everyone was passing on, as yet another foot injury has cropped up and he’s going to move way down our ranks. If this isn’t sticking to our PG/C strategy, I don’t know what is!
Round 9, Pick 107 – Brandon Knight – PG, SG – Finally a SG/SF eligible player! And sticking to our team philosophy adding some additional assists, while at the same time addressing our main needs of points, treys and a SG eligible guy. I have Knight ranked 67. Yeah, I love how this draft turned out.
Round 10, Pick 110 – Kevin Martin – SG, SF – I think it’s weird given how confident we were with how everything unfolded, but this my favorite pick of the draft. Somehow a guy Yahoo had ranked in the 70s fell this late (I have him 80) and he fills out our starting roster. And what do we need? Points and treys! Plus our FT% isn’t that great and K-Mart helps there.
Round 11, Pick 131 – Jameer Nelson – PG – We almost had a Sophie’s Choice of Collison or Nelson. Nelson helps more with the threes making them close even though I have Collison ranked much higher, but Colly was picked 128. 128?! Slim and I were even further confused by the lack of aggression on PG. Very happy landing Nelson adding more threes.
Round 12, Pick 134 – Timofey Mozgov – C – J.J. Hickson is reportedly close to returning from his ACL injury, but he’s still out for now and so is JaVale McGee. We’re not playing him week one since the Nugs only have two games, so we’re going with a wait and see approach past that.
Round 13, Pick 155 –
Otto Porter – SF – Spencer Hawes – C – We drafted Porter for an extra SF, and while he’s got some great buzz looking at a starting role, Spencer Hawes went undrafted and we’re going to go after 3s in week one. Along with some big man stats since we’re sitting Mozgov. Plus the 2 moves allowed per week hasn’t kicked in for week one, so we might as well make an early move.
What’d you think of our draft? We’ll be sure to mention this league occasionally on the Pod (only if we’re doing well!) and in articles to keep you updated, so be sure to cheer us on for a debut title in the F&F!
Here’s my team
Jure Holiday, Michael Cater-Williams, Jose Calderon, George Hill
Al Jefferson, Nikola Vucevic, Joakim Noah, Jordan Hill, Markeiff Morris
DeMarre Carroll, Draymond Green, Terrence Ross, K.J. McDaniels, Nik Stauskas
It’s a 12 team, H2H standard cats, plus turnovers and double doubles. It’s a keeper league, so I don’t have a stud player. But I think I make up with it with a deeper team.
I’m pretty happy with my team though. I took a chance on Stauskas, hoping he can get the minutes and help me with 3’s, FT% and TO. To make up for Carter-Williams.
@TheMuppetManiac: Yeah love those bigs! As a huge MCW guy, I’m crossing my fingers he’s ready pretty soon, until he’s on the flloor, assists are a little down for you. But yeah, that front line with it being a dubdub league is awesome.
Great draft guys who were you thinking of taking with your 4th round if you managed to get goran or lawson? Also i have been offered favors and jennings for rubio and noel? Thoughts?
@Thunder from down under: Thanks man! Well hopefully Favors would’ve lasted on the wrap around, but if not probably Vucevic. Slim and I both like Vuc a ton. I’d def take the Rubio/Noel side, I’m very anti-BJ this year haha
This is the team I drafted after keeping Rubio and Bosh in my 12 team H2H categories league. I took over the team. I had the first pick as the team finished last last year.
1. (1). Russell Westbrook (OKC – PG)
2. (24) Derrick Favors (Uta – PF,C)
3. (25) Jabari Parker (Mil – SF)
4. (48) Jimmy Butler (Chi – SG,SF)
5. (49) Robin Lopez (Por – C)
6. (72) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Mil – SG,SF)
7. (73) Jeremy Lin (LAL – PG,SG)
8. (96) Draymond Green (GS – SF)
9. (97) Brandon Knight (Mil – PG,SG)
10. (120) Mason Plumlee (Bkn – PF,C)
11. (121) Miles Plumlee (Pho – PF,C)
12. (144) Marcus Morris (Pho – PF)
13. (145) Paul George (Ind – SG,SF)
14. (168) Chris Bosh (Mia – PF,C)
15. (169) Ricky Rubio (Min – PG)
I’m thinking I’m lacking rebounds. Any thoughts.
This team is high risk/ high reward. Really need breakout years from Favors, Butler, Giannis – and huge 1st year from Jabri. Strong in Stls/assts, average to below average in rest of categories. My two cents…
@CA: Wow, Westbrook 1? Yeah I am hoping to get Anthony Davis on at least one team! Agree Jabari at 25 seems a reach too. Butler you’re probably paying for his preseason and he just played so many minutes last year I dunno if he’s over 38 again. Rebounds are maybe a tad low, I think assists is the biggest need.
@JB Gilpin: the reason Westbrook at 1 was because it’s a 12 team 2 keepers per team. That’s why Rubio and bosh are in the 14th and 15th round
@CA: Oh you’re right, my bad. I haven’t seen a keeper done that way so glossed over it, good value for Westbrook then! Sorry again! Nevermind my assists comment. Bosh helps boards, but still a little light.
@JB Gilpin: the pick I regret the most is the Lin pick, had I known knight was available that late I wouldn’t have made it. Any bigs I should target for Lin?
@CA: Yeah I have Knight higher, surprised he fell that far… Ummm Gortat? Probably couldn’t swing that… Larry Sanders?
I have pick 5 in a 15 team roto league that does not count turnovers. How would you rate the top 5 in such a league. I am thinking there will be a run of PG in such a league so I will go either Paul or Westbrook. And if neither are available (unlikely) that means Lebron or Davis (or Curry more unlikely) are. I am actually thinking Westbrook over Paul but that might be crazy.
@Rob: Nope not crazy at all, I actually might go Westbrook over Paul too. For me, KD moves way out so Brow, Curry, LeBron, Harden, then Westbrook. Maybe one of those top 4 fall.
Had a similar strategy for our H2H 14 man league. here is my team:
pg – lowry, rubio, calderon, collison
sg – kahwi
sf – gallinari
Pf /C- AD, Mason Plum, Nerlens, Hawes, Robin Lopez
bench – cj mccollum
Need help as I want to drop CJ for:
– morrow, copeland, mcgee, nurkic, napier
@hamtime: Whoa, awesome draft! Love the strategy. Awesome PG then AD/Noel is phenomenal. I dont see blocks as a need, but McGee is the only guy I have ranked of those 5. I think your only weakness might be points, and barely at that, so I’d use that spot to stream and play someone from the 3 opening night games.
damn, i hope you guys put the smackdown on that lot. those 3 bigs are like the holy trinity (you ain’t gon get two of those 3 if you have the brow). that strategy seems to have worked a charm. good example of contrarian thought…..it2 and hawes are too low on those new rankings aren’t they?
@dan-o1: I sure hope so man! Yeah hawes undrafted surprised me. Especially with that list of guys that actually got drafted Slim posted below. Not only was IT2 a value, he fit our team needs at that point!
I have always played Fantasy Baseball and Football, but yesterday was my first NBA draft. Please let me know your comments on my team. H2H, 10 Teams, PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, UTL, UTL, 5 BN
PG – Westbrook (1)
SG – Dragic (3)
G – Rubio (5)
SF – Kevin Martin (8)
PF – Ibaka (2)
F – Millsap (4)
C – Favors (6)
C – Pekovic (9)
UTL – Oladipo (7)
UTL – Reggie Jackson (10)
BN – Danny Green (11)
BN – Boozer (12)
BN – O.J. Mayo (13)
BN – Corey Brewer (14)
BN – Avery Bradley (15)
For some reason I picked Jackson to have 3 OKC players, and 3 MIN players… Trying to trade Rubio, but probably move Jackson to bench and start with Green or Boozer as UTL.
Thanks for your comments.
@Chris: was picking 9th
(Avg): Pts, 3s, blks, FT%
(-): Rbs, FG%
@Chris: I like Rubio and his fit on your team, but yeah with oladipo helping with dimes too, I love your assists and you can use that for a trade. Awesome bigs too, our exact same 3! Favors in the 6th even in a 10er is crazy. I actually think you’re good everywhere evn boards, but agree with below, FG% and TO are the weaknesses, but I can live with those with the elite PG.
I wanted to point out a few picks…
Klay Thompson @33, Gordon Hayward @36. I like the Hayward pick better.
Wade, Deron Williams, Rose all went 4th round and Kobe @28. Those are all pretty reasonable spots I thought.
And the sleepers? Faried @48, Markieff @58, TJones @70, Beverley @73, Reggie Jackson @80, Elfrid @87, Sullinger @88, Draymond Green @89, Burks @97, Burke @101, KCP @106. Oh… that’s why we didn’t get any. They were all over drafted.
Some odd late picks, Foye, O’Quinn, Mirotic?!?, Varejao, Wright, Ilyasova… Not sure I would rank any of them top 150. Mirotic isn’t even going to get off the bench without multiple injuries.
@Slim: How do people expect to get value out of guys like Draymond if they pick him at 89? Yahoo ranks ruin everything. I think you guys did really good in this draft though, the only reach was Millsap a bit.
@Slim: Agree with all of that. Klay goes up in a weekly league in my ranks though. Not to 33…
@CTMN: Yup, it can be a struggle, but you can also get some crazy value! Like we did! Just none of the buzzy guys that, well, we started the buzz on 🙂
My first H2H draft
@Bye Felicia: oh and Gordon Hayward
@Bye Felicia: Nice PG depth, I love Noel but you really need Dieng to pan out to be good in blocks. Brook’s health is a big key too. If you can weather the storm until KD is back, you’ll be good!
@JB Gilpin: Thanks Buddy, yeah I’m considering streaming blocks or punting.
So I just had my draft last night and I dont know what to think about it. Could ya give me some notes? H2H, $200 budget, 12 Team, 7 Cat, No percentage league, keepers can be kept at same price for 2 additional years —
PG – Damian Lillard (Keeper, $17)
SG – Jimmy Butler ($12)
G- Jameer Nelson ($5)
SF – Andrew Wiggins – (Im from MN, so I reached at $20)
PF – Paul Millsap (Keeper, $21)
F – Serge Ibaka ($48)
C – Gasol ($28, a steal in my opinion)
C – Gorgi Dieng ($8)
U – Jared Sullinger ($12, My breakout pick of the year)
U – #OccupyDG ($5)
U – Reggie Jackson ($6)
B – Henry Sims ($3)
B – Tim Hardaway Jr ($2)
B – Marcus Smart ($11 – There wasnt much on the board at this point)
B – KCP ($1)
B – DJ Augustin ($1)
Like I said, Im not really sure what to think about my team at this point. Any notes/suggestions are appreciated!
@Bryce Krispie Treats: That’s Marc Gasol, btw
@Bryce Krispie Treats: Wow, Wiggins at $20 is still a good value! 2 years from now he could be your leader. haha #occupyDraymondGreen indeed! extra points! 🙂
Think you got some awesome value. Love MIllsap as a keeper as his FT% is sometimes rough that you avoid in this league. Assists look a tiny bit behind, Gasol will help a ton, and I like Nelson a lot, but I’d be on the lookout for those. KCP at $1! Love it. Oh, and Dieng for his blocks is a big key too, but I think he can deliver.
hey guys, i also like the martin pick at 110.
i had my 10 team H2H auction draft (9 cat) this morning and it looks like this team is very similar to yours, maybe im reading too much Razzball now!
pg – lillard $37, rubio $11, holiday $9, MCW $2 (yep, $2), IT3 $1
sg – k martin $1
sf – durant $67, t jones $4
pf – dirk $33, millsap $27, sullinger $2
c – jonas V $3, jordan hill $1
its always interesting to see how different leagues value players. big men were at a premium, and i just kind of lucked into some bargain guards. hence i decided to punt blocks as i wont be able to compete some of the other teams. will just need to hang in there until durant and MCW return.
my question is, would you look at trading maybe rubio or MCW (when his value increases) to raise that FG% and focus on more boards? maybe faried/vucevic type player?
Its 1 point for the overall win each week, and i think my turnovers would probably go in the punt category too.
thanks in advance
@Samsonite: Thanks man! Never too much Razzball!
Wow yeah that’s pretty unreal. MCW… Yeah… Wow. IT2 too!
FG% shouldn’t be too too bad, but yeah I have no problem shopping Rubio or MCW. Your depth there is awesome. Ohhhh yeah a 1 point win a week is huge for punting something, so yeah don’t mind no blocks. Solid everywhere else. I’d see how your Ast/Stls are going, they should be cats you crush, before moving one. If you low Blk/FG%/TO, I still think you’re really strong in the other 6 giving you a good edge.
Beauty of a draft, fellas. It sure is nice when a plan comes together. So often temptation of a single player falling can toss you right off your gameplan, but looks like you guys were able to get the best of both worlds – value picks that lined up with your PG/C strategy.
You do know what’s going to happen though, right?…
Kyrie is going to blow out something (ankle/knee) in January and Cleveland is going to give their new bestest trading buddy, Minnesota GM Flip Saunders, a call and trade some picks and expiring contracts for Rubio (so Minny doesn’t have to pay him 12M/year) & K-Mart (cuz of K-Mart), leaving you with two key guys who have the awful Cavaliers playoff sked.
Fantasy gods will make you pay for passing on Love at 14. It’s gonna happen. (Sorry.)
Good luck this season, fellas.
@Matty: Thanks man! Hahahaha let’s hope that scenario doesn’t happen! Cavs don’t need KMart though with Waiters… Let’s hope the gods grant us leniency!
I don’t think I could’ve resisted Love at 14.
@Coen: It was our strategy to avoid Cavs the whole time, and even when he went 15th whoever got him wasn’t happy. Another key is this is our first year in the league, so we have no idea how active all these experts are with trades. They’ll all know Love’s bad playoff sched so he’d be tough to move.
Anyone want to join the last RCL team? We have 6 spots left! Drafting in 2 days.
@Philzilla: Cmon Razzball Nation!
@Philzilla: @JB Gilpin: never done an auction draft.. how longs it usually take?
@mike: Should take an hour and a half. 2 spots left for the last RCL league. Last Call!
Your team ranks very poorly on basketball monster in terms of overall value and category strengths… Horrible at 3 categories, average at 2 categories and great at 4 categories. This isn’t hate but I’m sure it will be taken that way
Someone picked KJ McDaniels in the 6th round?
Martin is an absolute steal in the 10th round
@Snacks13: Does basketball monster have projections or just based on last year? Even if they have projections, it doesn’t mean their projections will be right. Things could vary a ton.
@Snacks13: That’s fine, as @CTMN: said, one projections system is not going to make us feel bad about our team. Plus we have a ton of flexibility to go after stats against our opponent (big heavy vs. g heavy). Guessing our 3s, Pts and TO are the horrible ones.
McDaniels was a mistake pick, dude lost connection but there were a couple pauses before and said just play it out. Was nice of him. We love Kmart too!
12 Team, H2H, 9 cat.
Punting Assist and Ft%, thoughts?
1. (9) DeMarcus Cousins (Sac – PF,C)
2. (16) Andre Drummond (Det – PF,C)
3. (33) Thaddeus Young (Min – SF,PF)
4. (40) David Lee (GS – PF,C)
5. (57) Trevor Ariza (Hou – SG,SF)
6. (64) Larry Sanders (Mil – PF,C)
7. (81) Reggie Jackson (OKC – PG,SG)
8. (88) Arron Afflalo (Den – SG,SF)
9. (105) J.R. Smith (NY – SG,SF)
10. (112) Kelly Olynyk (Bos – C)
11. (129) Michael Carter-Williams (Phi – PG)
12. (136) Mirza Teletovic (Bkn – SF,PF)
13. (153) C.J. Miles (Ind – SG,SF)
@John W.: The first thought I have when reading this is how in the world did MCW last until pick 129! What’s up with that?
@John W.: Haha @A Hill O’ Beans: is right there with me! 129?!?!?! Awesome. Usually I hate punting AST teams because they lose steals too, but man, you got the right guys! All your top 3 + Ariza/Sanders are great there. Afflalo was a great pick, but points could be an issue at times too. Marginally though, Lee will help.
wats good JB/Slim? nice draft! love the picks. i was aiming for Sanders, but someone took him at 65 whoa anyway, 10team h2h 8cats….who would you rather own Ross, Stuckey, Iggy, Burks, Draymond Green, Danny Green, Frye, Pierce, Gallo, Mcbob, Carrol, Ersan.
PG Deron Williams, Bkn PG
SG Victor Oladipo, Orl SG, PG
SF Nicolas Batum POR SF, SG
PF Serge Ibaka, OKC PF, C
C Al Horford, Atl C, PF
G George Hill, Ind PG
F Trevor Ariza, Hou SF
UTIL Nikola Vucevic, Orl C, PF
UTIL Darren Collison, Sac PG
UTIL Ryan Anderson, Nor PF
Bench Jose Calderon, NY PG
Bench Markieff Morris, Pho PF, C
IR Kevin Durant*, OKC
@740: Damn 65! Yeah he seems to have a real variant ADP. Man nice team! I don’t really see any weaknesses so I’d swing for the fences for Draymond. Good luck this year!
Thank u JB…same to you!
So you have 2 SG eligibility and 1 SF. If Knight or Martin doesn’t play a particular day, aren’t you missing out on being able to fill in the SG slot with another SG or SF eligibility? Or does it not really matter? Because my draft style seems to follow yours allow. Stack PGs that can ast + 3s and PF/C that can rebound and block. Which leaves … some gaping positions holes to fill in.
@DK: It’s weekly though so certain days don’t matter, but you have a good point.
@DK: Yeah @CTMN: what he CTMN said, it’s a weekly league. So once Monday’s first game starts, you can’t change your roster. So we can’t cycle guys in and out like normal leagues.
@JB Gilpin: Oh that’s right. I didn’t notice the weekly. So if it is daily you might have picked up 1 more SG and SF ya. Hmm I have never tried weekly, seems to change the idea of bench now.
@JB Gilpin: so I guess your starters will depend on your weekly match up and you would start that week accordingly ya.
@DK: Yup, we can see who our opponent has and gauge who has the most games. LIke Mozgov we aren’t playing since DEN has 2 games. We indeed would’ve gone a little more roster friendly if it wasn’t weekly.
looks like they sniped most of your sleepers. bet that was a great feeling! i had a draft pretty similar to your guys’ first few rounds
i thought I did alright but according to yahoo ‘evaluate trade’ whatever i’m pretty low in all cats. tell me where i could have improved!
12 team h2h 9 cat, i went 12th
2) Griffin — could’ve taken milsap but have milsap in another draft and griffin goes beast mode more often, i.e. fun to watch
4) derozan — in retrospect could’ve/should’ve taken oladipo or someone else but i didn’t have my qeue/predraft ranking set up, derozan’s yahoo ranking at 43 and mary jane resulted in demar
5) rondo — thought was good value at 60
6) markeiff morris — i’m buying
8) kevin martin — terrence jones was taken and badly needed 3s
10) rodney stucky
12) KJ mcdaniels
13) brandon wright — really like his perminute production
keep up the great work guys!!! screw scotty.. he doesn’t know.
@Monoroe’s strong peeseason: Yeah it was wild! But we were happy with how our team came out.
Yeah don’t listen to those projections. Haha damn that mary jane! But to compliment your start, his points are nice. Rondo’s assists are a big must for you, so hoping he comes back strong which he should. I have him 58, so agree good value.
Griffin – you did what fantasy is all about, if you like watching your guys, you’re more apt to pay more attention to your team and do better. a lot of people forget that.
When Ibaka has a light week, you might be a little low in blocks. Everything else is lookin good though!
@Monoroe’s strong peeseason: Oh and thanks for your thoughts at the end 🙂
First thing first, you guys are awsome love your site i use your ranking for all my draft this year. keep up the good work.
10 team h2h 10 cat(with double double)
9 Carmelo Anthony, NY SF
12 Kevin Love, Cle PF
29 Kyrie Irving, Cle PG
32 Nikola Vucevic, Orl C
49 Victor Oladipo, Orl SG
52 Michael Carter-Williams*, Phi PG
69 Pau Gasol, Chi PF
72 Jeff Teague, Atl PG
89 Larry Sanders, Mil C
92 Darren Collison, Sac PG
109 Brandon Knight, Mil PG
112 Draymond Green, GS SF
129 Timofey Mozgov, Den C
132 Paul Pierce, Wsh SF
149 Rodney Stuckey, Ind SG
what you guys think and who should i target for trades.
@LightSpeed: Thanks so much man!
Love getting Love there with dubdubs. We’ve mentioned Cavs bad playoff schedule in H2H a few times, still kyrie at 29 is great value too, but something to think about late in the year.
3/4 bigs early, but you still are set at PG, love it. I think you did enough to protect VO/MCW’s TO too. A lot will ride on Sanders/Mozgov carrying you in blocks, so if you thnking of targets, maybe a big who is starting slow.
Final keeper – Horford / Noah?
@Adam: Depends on your build, but I like Horford. Battle of Florida players! Haha
Hey guys, finally went though with my Real draft, any opinions, missing cats?
Round Pick Player Position
1. (12) John Wall PG
2. (13) Serge Ibaka PF,C
3. (36) Nikola Vucevic PF,C
4. (37) Ty Lawson PG
5. (60) Nerlens Noel PF,C
6. (61) Jose Calderon PG
7. (84) Terrence Jones SF,PF
8. (85) Tobias Harris SF,PF
9. (108) Brandon Knight PG,SG
10. (109) Draymond Green SF
11. (132) Gorgui Dieng C
12. (133) John Henson PF,C
13. (156) Anderson Varejao PF,C
14. (157) Kentavious Caldwell-Pope SG
Traded ben gordon for caldwell-pope as well right after the draft
Sorry not ben lol, eric gordon…
I know you guys have eric ranked lower but, if and when he gets injured i will drop, until then the guy plays good when healthy, caldwell is an unkown for me as of now, although i do believe.
@DanielL: Shooter! Can’t learn that in the hockey rink! Yeah I like getting KCP, he has upside which Gordon doesn’t really.
Extremely solid team. Love the upside bigs late. Scoring I think is your weakness, everyone is decent there but no huge volume guys. Probably wouldn’t worry about it yet, and if Dieng and Henson start hot, you ncan easily move one with Ibaka/Noel leading your frontcourt.
yea, caldwell has more upside, but he averaged 6 points and 2 boards in 20 minutes of play, and his %’s werent great either. I want to BELIEVE but i need to see at least a glimpse of production first. Thanks alot I really appreciate it, its so awsome commenting and getting feedback so quickly, keep at at and in a year or two you just might make this a full time, high paid job! Now thats something i can believe in!
@DanielL: Well you’re not drafting him for boards, and he was a rookie on a team with all selfish players and bad coaching. A lot of those minutes were junky in inconsistent roles, and 0.9 steals in under 20 minutes. Also NEVER turns the ball over. I dunno if you’re being sarcastic, but I like my real job! As cool as it would be doing razzball fulltime, I like where I’m at.
one question: 7th spot in a H2H draft: you go for durant 100% of the time? or you let slip and go for Anthony, Wall, Westy…..?
@Fred: H2H yeah I’m going Durant every time. Want him for those playoffs and think he’ll come back the same ol Durant.
Great works as always, thanks JB ans slim.
Copeland or Bargnani?
Trade Dieng for elfrid Payton?
@Quintero: Any time man! Bargnani for me, then Dieng I would usually trade for Payton if I was good with my bigs and blocks.
Hey guys, appreciate the excellent work you’re doing here! I just finished my 12 team Yahoo League draft and I was wondering if I could get your opinion on this team!
H2H 5×5 category league.
PG) Goran Dragic
SG) Jeremy Lin
SF) Draymond Green
F) Jabari Parker
C) Ryan Anderson
Util: Darren Collison
Util: B. Knight
Bench: Kevin Durant
Bench: Jameer Nelson
Bench: G. Dieng
I think I might need to trade for a big? Not quite sure what to make of this team yet.
@Eric: Thanks man! Love the PG depth. Yeah blocks is a big deficiency. And until Durant is back, a little light in scoring, but that’s OK if you can weather it. 3s are low right now, only barely, so it makes Anderson tough to trade. I might try and move Parker for someone who blocks.
Hey JB and Slim,
Awesome job on the website! I just wanted your opinions on my team (12 team, H2H, 9 cat). What should I improve on and who should i trade for? Thanks!
1, DeMarcus Cousins
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Goran Dragic
4. Gordon Hayward
5. David Lee
6. Jose Calderon
7. Roy Hibbert
8. Greg Monroe
9. Jamal Crawford
10. Trey Burke
11. John Henson
12. Corey Brewer
13. Samuel Dalembert
@Basketballing: Thanks man, thanks for stopping by!
I like the Henson and Dalembert picks late since you needed the blocks. Assists seem a tiny tiny bit low. Dragic is perfect with Hayward to help with haywards bad FG%. Pretty balanced everywhere – David Lee is kinda meh for your build, maybe offer him up for Teague? Jrue Holiday? I’d like that move a lot.
McGee is FINALLY back. Worth owning in a 14 and 16 team league?
@hamtime: Yeah good to see! 14 I think depends on your team. 16 he probably should be for the upside.
Hey Razzball. Just recently found this blog the past month. Just did a draft for an 8 man team H2H.
My team looks like
PG: Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday
SG: Monta Ellis, Lance Stephenson
SF: Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans
PF: Derrick Favors, Nerlens Noel
C: Marc Gasol, Marcin Gortat, Roy Hibbert
IT2 is on the waivers which was surprising and looking to grab him. I entered a waiver for IT2 dropping Tyreke. But Tyreke gives me depth in SG/SF which I am short in. He had 10 pts, 5 reb, 7 assists, 5 steals tonight in the preseason in limited minutes which made me doubt myself.
But in such a shallow league, I feel like you take the best players, IT2. Also Ryan Anderson and Brandon Jennings are on the waiver as well.
@Chinzy: Welcome to Razzball!
Whoa, some good players out there! I know I’m in the minorty, but I hate Hibbert. You’ve got an excess of blocks, so in that shallow of a league, I’d drop him for… I think Ryan Anderson actually. Threes are kinda a need for you team a little bit. IT2 would help too, but I think I’d keep everyone else, Stephenson is actually my first drop over Tyreke, but I’d hold that move for now.
Should I drop Thaddeus Young, (Melo only SF) Gordan Hayward (Have klay And derozan) or TY Lawson (have Stephan Curry and kyle Lowry) or Nikola Vuvevic (have Kenneth Faired and Blake) to pick up Paul George in a 4 man keeper league with 7 keepers or wait and hope Paul is on waivers at end of year
@Dom B: Those guys are too good, yeah I would wait. So 28 keepers, is Paul George a top 28 guy next year? Probably, but not a certainty at all.
I know you’ll love this one. H2H 10 Teams
#1 Brow (I went there!)
#60 MCW (a steal here imo)
#61 Wes Matthews
#80 Ryan Anderson
#81 Giannis Antelope
#100 IT-2 (heh) Sleeping..
Bench Tobias, Gorgui, Marcus Smart (Should I drop anyone for Wroten while MCW is out?
So what do you think? Is it a winner?
Side Note KD didn’t go till pick #17!!! WTF I almost got the Brow & Durant SOOO CLOSE!
@Bye Felicia: should I add KCP for anyone on this squad? Smart or Gorgi Porgi?
@Bye Felicia: Whoa KD 17?! Just took him 4 in my RCL #2, but my team ended up being kinda funky. Horford 41?!?!?! Camon! Awesome team. I’d hold Gorgui to help Brow with the blocks. Love the PG depth. I think I’d indeed drop Smart for KCP.
@JB Gilpin: Yeah I was going back n forth between him & Wroten for Smart. I just missed Noel by 2 picks too but realized I rather have Anderson for his 3 pt upside ft %
@JB Gilpin: now let’s hope My towers millsap & Horford stay healthy. Another can’t believe I got both moment. I couldn’t let horford go. C’mon is right 41st pick?.WTH
@Bye Felicia: I have the same first 4 guys man! Brow/Lowry/Millsap/Jrue is a sick start, I was in a 12 team though so I could only get Hayward next, while you got a steal in Horford. All around great team.
Btw Horford was picked 40 or 41 in my league too…on AUTOPICK. The steal of the draft was auto picked. I just couldn’t take him over Millsap/Lowry at 24/25 and he didn’t fall to 48 obviously.
@Bye Felicia: Yup exactly, can’t let Horford go that far.
@CTMN: Wow, Horford sure has some haters!
@CTMN: muddafuccas are sleeping on em!
If I didn’t have the 1st pick in the draft I would have taken Durant anywhere in the 1st rd. I can’t believe how late he was in this draft. 17th is retarded but espn has him #24 on the list during the draft. They have Lebron #1 brow #2.
I don’t like your team at all because you will STRUGGLE for points, field goal percentage, threes, and (if it counts) turnovers. And I believe the draft is way too soon to worry about playoff schedules. If you have Love ranked higher, take him, and trade him when his value is high.
@Miles Miller: Well we like it 🙂 w/ Nelson and Hawes as a pickup, 3s aren’t that bad. Pts isn’t that bad either with Knight and Kmart.
What I mention above is this is our first year in the league, and we don’t know how active traders are. On top of that, all these writers/experts/schwatev you wanna call em are all gonna know about Love and the playoff schedule. Icing on top is the playoff schedule is even worse given it’s the final 3 weeks and the cherry on that is it’s weekly. If we’re stuck with Love, he’s borderline unplayable with 2 games in one of those weeks, or we could sell at a discount to people that know what they’re doing. Can’t really “trade him when his value is high” to experts.
@JB Gilpin: Everyone always doubts us preseason. ..
Until we raise the championship hardware .
@Miles Miller: With the way Love fell I’m not entirely sure what his trade value would have been. Maybe people would part with their 2nd round pick but it’s certainly no guarantee. I felt like avoiding the Cavs was nice and safe and that early in the draft I was good with safe.
How I see it by category…
FG% – Is rough but I’m not willing to consider it a punted category quite yet, although I wouldn’t mind punting it at all.
FT% – Middle of the pack I imagine. A few teams are punting so we will beat those easily. Favors and MCW are our only real drains but we have plenty of volume from Knight, Martin, Teague, IT2 that I think we’ll be fine.
3s – I don’t think this is such a lost category as others seem to. Knight, Martin, IT2 should be 1.5-2.0. Maybe I’m overthinking Hawes and Nelson but I think they are also 1.5-2.0 per game. Millsap and Teague at 1.0 per game and Rubio, Ibaka, MCW still chip in. If we wanted to go heavy 3s for a week I really like the other categories we get from these guys too.
Pts – Didn’t start off strong with Ibaka and Rubio but once again I like IT2/Knight/Martin late to make up for what we didn’t get early. Sure there are going to be teams with more points, but I bet those teams can’t touch our steals/blocks/assists. Sanders certainly doesn’t help but he’s probably not an every week starter for us anyway.
Reb – I was worried about this one since I wanted so many PGs but I think we did fine with all the early bigs plus Mozgov/Hawes late. I think this is solid.
Ast – I don’t want to ever lose this category… and if healthy we won’t.
Stl – A strength with several different lineups. No worries.
Blocks – Very strong. No worries.
TOs – I went into this thinking this category would be punted with all the PGs. I don’t know if we will never win it but I don’t plan on winning it.
So… strengths… REB, AST, STL, BLK. The counting stats I really wanted since we can’t stream and they tend to have less variation week to week, game to game.
middle of the pack… FT%, and I believe 3PTM and PTS. We won’t win them every week but I think we will be competitive more than we won’t be.
Weakness. FG% and punted TOs. I’m good with this. Week 1 we can’t win FG% but I like our chances everywhere else.
@Bye Felicia: Haha yessir! Although my RCL with @Slim: is probably not as hot a team, I didn’t like that one 🙂 Wanted something different.
@JB Gilpin: Razzballinians…. Destroying EsPN’s rankings for years. LOL
I’ve got both eyes on Golbert like I just passed a car wreck. Please just slide Favors over. I want that redonk block/board potential. You think he’ll get the mins this year? Hard telling isn’t it?
@Bye Felicia: Yeah it is. Especially since the don’t NEED him on the floor when Favors is on the floor. I like 24 minutes to start with plenty of room for more if/when Kanter proves he does more harm than help.
@Bye Felicia: @Slim: Yup agree, they have no one else to backup PF/C either besides a banged up Trevor Booker
Hey razzball writers,
Have you guys seen the Top 150 by Aaron Bruski(rotoworld writer) on Yahoo? I’d like to hear your opinions on the list (9-cat).
@Virtual Baller: I kind of perused it. Klay at 22, Faried 23, DeRozan at 24 has got to be a joke. Jefferson and Aldridge in the 30’s seems odd. Guess it means he wants nothing to do with either. I can’t imagine a scenario in which Lin returns #51 value. Some guys in the 80s I couldn’t imagine drafting there… McBob? O’Quinn, Olynyk… hmph. Parker at 96 and Wiggins at 108 means he doesn’t want anything to do with them either.
@Virtual Baller: @Slim: Yeah lot are too bold, but it is for roto. So Klay does go up a bit. I gotta call this out: Anthony Davis – “We don’t know what his ceiling is. If he takes a semi-normal step forward, he lands here.” Ummmm, he was pretty far and away fantasy’s second best per-game player last year with 1 Durant. So he would have to take a step back to be 3…. Weird….
Others, I know Slim will disagree but Hayward at 25 with that FG% seems aggressive. Markieff 46… Wow. Lin 51 like Slim said… Hmmm.
What moves would you make here?
My squad is:
G: Dragic, Oladipo, MCW, J. Nelson, KCP
F/C: Tobias, Millsap, Boogie, Nerlins, Brook, Hawes, Dieng
@Brook Lopez needs help: Dieng will help, but blocks look a little light. Assists maybe marginally too since none of your PG are that high volume, but other than that I like it!
How did you like the team you drafted in the RCL last night? I’m not sure how to feel about my team because I don’t have upside guys but reliable ones instead since it seemed those players were dropping in the draft.
C: P. Gasol
C: T. Chandler
UTL: JJ Redick
Ben: A. Bradley
@Khen: I like how mine went even though I didn’t follow any kind of ranks at all… pick12.
PGs Lillard, Rose, MCW, Reggie, Elfrid
Wings Hayward, Anteok, Ross, Wesley Johnson
Bigs Ibaka, Favors, Dieng, Sims
I figure we’ll probably talk about it a bit on the podcast today.
@Khen: @Slim: I don’t really like mine, but it sure has upside. I plan on starting really slow obviously, but think I got good value on some guys. We’ll talk this RCL today or tomo on the Pod
Whould you do this trade me sending Kenneth Faried and Klay Thompson for James Harden afterwards my PF would be Blake Griffin and Nikola vuevic do it it or hold
@Dom B: Hell yeah! Love getting the best player in the deal by far.
Interesting… Stuckey was dropped for Copeland. Stuckey does fit a few of our needs.
@Slim: Hmmm I would want Stuckey, but has that foot sprain. Don’t wanna risk him missing a game even though he’ll be fine I think… Drop Mozgov with McGee back?
@JB Gilpin: Meh. Stuckey’s lack of 3s really isn’t ideal for us. I don’t think a waiver type guy for us either way.
A couple trades I need help with if you don’t mind! It’s a really, really deep league..the the best player on the waivers is Mike Miller, and it’s 12 teams, h2h most cateogies. Thank you so much!!
My Gasol and Danny Green for his Duncan, Wilson Chandler, and McGee
My Lin and Henson for his Dragic
@Anthony: Hmmm, first one if it’s Pau I think I like it. If Marc… Eesh closer, I might hold off on it if it’s Marc.
Love the second trade. Even though it’s deeper, I still think Dragic is an awesome upgrade giving up a little depth.
Any time, thanks for stopping by!
I have a 12 team keeper league. You pay a 3 round premium to keep a guy the next year. Where would you start looking to take Paul George? 9th round range? Could keep him in the 6th and 3rd the next 2 years, then?
@Cale: I would probably wait until the double digits, it’s hard to burn a roster spot… Do you have an IR spot? Or only 3 BN spots?
@JB Gilpin: No IR. We go 15 players deep and have 5 bench spots.
@Cale: Hmmm deeper rosters and deeper benches, yeah 8th or 9th round I’m good with then
In a H2H auction league with 3 BN spots, only 3 weekly moves and daily lineups, how much do you think you could justify buying Durant for? It’s concerning being out gamed every week until he returns, isn’t it?
@booya: concerning yes, but still he’s the best per-game player and think he’ll be that when back… Standard $200 budget? I would be fine getting up to 60ish given I think I could build a good enough team to be pretty competitive until he’s back.
@JB Gilpin: how would you build your team around him? PG heavy approach you think?
@booya: Yeah the same way I’d start from scratch – PG and C and don’t necessarily need guys that are big volume scorers obviously. KD will carry ya there
Hey guys great draft , you guys have some solid picks. good luck …
My draft is coming up and I got the 9 th pick 14 team head-to-head. I m at crossroad between Wall or Cousins . 2nd round im going to target bosh for sure if not lowry.. what you guys think . By the way I do have a feeling I might be able to land melo or love at 9th should I take one of them instead if they do fall to 9th spot.. Im hoping it would be Melo. Thoughts.. Thanks guys..
@WeTheNorth: Thanks man!
I still have Wall ahead of both Boogie and Melo. Getting that elite PG to start is huge. I think you can get Melo’s points later. Cousins is certainly close though, playing possessed through preseason, but it is preseason and he had 10 TO last night haha
thxz a lot JB.. So I did mock draft pickig 9th . Please let me know my strength and weakness what I should improve on ..
Round 1 Pick 9- Cousins rather than wall.
Round 2 Pick 20- Lowry (rather than Irving ) I would of picked Bosh if I went with Wall as my first pick. which combo is better. Cousins/Lowry or Wall/Bosh or Wall/ Lillard or Lowry. All these combo cant pick one help me out .. thanks.
Round 3 Pick 37- Ty Lawson had the option to go with Dragic Or D Rose .. but cant pass on all the assists and all the other goodies.
Round 4 Pick 48- Favors Im targeting him no matter what or no matter the cause !!
Round 5 Pick 65- Jonas Will have big year . plus Iam Toronto fan . !!
Round 6 Pick 76- Zbo. Morris was gone had no other options. Lopez was available but C.Kamen could cut in to his time. Zbo I picked as value pick to trade if anything . thoughts.?
Round 7 Pick 93- Collison. Ive listen to you guys picked him over Lin/Isaiah . 3’s assits low to.
Round 8 Pick 104- Jordan Hill. I have big hopes for this guy could be legit fantasy option. would you pick Hill or Sullinger ?
Round 9 Pick 121- Brandon Knight . Steal of the draft will help me with assists I hope and 3s . just the upside
Round 10 Pick 132- Mirza Teletovic- Poor mans Ryan Anderson in my opinion . Solid 3 s and rebound . I hoping he have a big season.
Round 11 Pick 149- Rodney Stucky- Pacers needs to score lol ..
Round 12 Pick 168- CJ Miles – I was lacking in 3s and stuff so your typical Tharagnof
Round 13 Pick 177- Steven Adams UPSIDE UPSIDE !
So that’s my mock draft please help me out. I will be doing the same similar picks. so please let me know guys . Thanks Bro !! … You guys really deserve award for all the work you put in … !! Thanks again ..
@WeTheNorth: Lowry/Lawson – yeah love that passing on Wall getting PG depth early like that. Cousins/Favors, man what an opening 4! Jonas and Zbo seem a little high with me. Wish one more PG had gone there, agree Knight is a huge steal, I like Collison too. Adams is a great pick, I think you have awesome boards, so replace ZBO pick with a… Elfrid? Or a high upside swing man? That’s the only big change I might make. Thanks man!
Hey JB, great stuff as usual, your team looks tough to beat
In a 12-team H2H category league with D-reb and O-reb instead of Reb and TO, I have the 5th pick. I am planning on using the punt FG% strategy. If Lebron, Curry, Brow, and Harden are off the board, who would you draft? Chris Paul? Melo?
Thanks in advance
@The Man Inside Me: Id want CP3 5th if they’re gone. Don’t be surprised if you grab KD 5th though
@The Man Inside Me: Thanks man! Let’s hope it turns out solid. Yeah H2H I’m with @Bye Felicia: I’m going Durant and then draft big men while looking for PG value. If you’re too scared of KD, yeah I’d do Paul over Melo
Looks like you guys got a good team over there! I just drafted a 14 team H2H yesterday.
Here’s my team:
(2) Anthony Davis (NO – PF,C)
(27) Paul Millsap (Atl – PF,C)
(30) Ty Lawson (Den – PG)
(55) Thaddeus Young (Min – SF,PF)
(58) Nerlens Noel (Phi – PF,C)
(83) Kevin Martin (Min – SG,SF)
(86) Brandon Jennings (Det – PG)
(111) J.J. Redick (LAC – SG)
(114) Elfrid Payton (Orl – PG)
(139) Channing Frye (Orl – PF,C)
(142) Nene Hilario (Was – PF,C)
(167) Ramon Sessions (Sac – PG,SG)
(170) Tony Allen (Mem – SG,SF)
Any thoughts? Should I try to make any adjustments via trade or waiver wire?
@Mike: Love the Elfrid at 114! Awesome pretty much everywhere except assists look low. I dunno who will be on the wire… Love NOel to work with Brow, I think you’re fine to start the year, maybe if Frye or Redick start really hot, move one for an underperforming PG?
i need to figure out what categories i should try to compete in, and which i should bag. it’s a 9cat roto league weekly h2h. boogie is killing be with this preseason turnovers, a category i thought i might win weekly.
sg- wesley matthews
g- deron williams
utiliity- i dont even know who to start
bench- jordan hill
bench- jimmy butler
bench- josh smith
ir- paul geroge.
i was thinking of targeting ibaka. thining it takes dirk + jsmooove (for his blocks) to get hi. what categories should i try to compete in here? i think an easy strategy to use is go all bigs, with fg%, steals, rebounds and blocks but then i need onr more category (3’s, ft%, to’s, pt’s scored) to win my matchup 5-4. you get a win for the week, not the overall categories won/lost carried over through the year (so an undefeated team would be 19-0 or whatever at the end of the year)
@ineedtotrade: Whoa awesome F/C! Totally good offering Dirk+Smith for Ibaka. Oh Ok, so one win per week, definitely punting some. I like that idea, all bigs + Rubio to win steals, Pts might be tough with Batum/Rubio, Dirk will help millsap FT so I think you can win that, and TO since you don’t have many guards starting if you go bigs heavy should be winnable even with Cousins.
so throw a big in at my util spot? aka dieng or hill? i’ve also been thinking about trading deron williams for jamal crawford since i’m not trying to win assists, jamal’s ft% could help a ton. i’d hope to get something else in return since i think deron >> jamal but if i’m doing my straategy no half-assing it!
@ineedtotrade: I like Hill more this year, plus plays game 1. Yeah I’d def try to get more, I like how the trade helps ya, but Deron should command a good haul!
Just finished inaugural draft for 18-team dynasty league (contracts 1-5 years)
Gs — Kemba Walker, Goran Dragic, Rondo
Fs — Draymond Green, Dirk , Favors
Cs — Horford, Steven Adams
Flx and Bench — Rudy Gobert, Morrow, Tony Allen, Kamen, AK47, Jusuf Nurkic, Chris Copeland
Offer on the table is: Steph Curry, O’Quinn, J Dudley for Dragic, Dray Green, Horford. Was thinking of replacing Dudley with Jarrett Jack on a counter, but leaning toward just rejecting and seeing if he comes back with something. Any thoughts?
@NImsheyPOBlo: Whewwwww it’s a good offer… I think in an 18 teamer, you need the depth more though I would reject too. I would want more than Jack too as just a replacement. I’d need a quality guy thrown in there.
Guys, need help & advice on my 9-cat H2H team . I think I need another quality big. Currently, K. Love, Timmy Duncan, Brook Lopez & David West are available on the trading block. Who do I trade for?
Here’s my team:
PG – damian lillard
SG – demar derozan
G – derrick rose
SF – jabari parker
F – luol deng
PF – serge ibaka
C – roy hibbert
C – timofey mozgov
UTIL – jamal crawford
UTIL – michael carter-williams
BENCH – carlos boozer
BENCH – demarre carroll
BENCH – lou williams
Thanks in advance guys.
@bucabrera: Hey man, sorry just saw this.
Yeah a big would def be nice. I’d avoid Lopez and West since they’re a little banged up. Love is gonna cost a pretty penny too. I think the best bet would float some offers for Duncan. Parker straight up?
Thanks again for your time and advice bro. Appreciate the help. Will send some feelers ASAP to the owner of Timmy. Hope he bites it.
BTW, this is my team for Take on Sethdasportsman league. I hope I reach the play offs.