It’s time for tiers!  And with PG, it’s top-tiers or fears.  It’s top tier or Britney Spears!  Top tier or…  Or…  Eh I got nothing for a PG who rhymes with that…  Top tier or your team takes it in the rear!  Yes, PG is rife with a precipitous falloff after the first class, with a dive off a cliff that is like the third act of The Abyss.  Underrated movie!  Ed Harris is the man.  And sure, I guess some omniscient underwater aliens (…are they aliens?) could do enough to resurrect your team from the depths, but I’m not going to pass on the top end guys and hope for a deus ex machina ending.  Well, the ending wasn’t quite deus ex machina, but it wasn’t the best…  And I doubt waiting and relying on Rondo or the rookies will result in any sort of happy ending…  Poor phrasing!  Here’s the top PG for the 2015-16 Fantasy Basketball season, and we’ll be putting together positional tiers based on Yahoo position eligibility every day this week:

The “Please, God, give me a high enough pick to get on the studs” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
1 3 Stephen Curry, GSW PG, SG I have a feeling he’s going to be a consensus 1 or 2 – still very close between these top 3 – but there’s some concern to the minutes as Golden State blows the scrubbos out.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.900/3.5/24.5/4.3/7.8/1.9/0.2/3.3 :34
2 6 Chris Paul, LAC PG CP3 is equally as locked into #6 for me.  Obvious awesome dimes, low TO, nothing is unreaptable.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.880/1.6/18.0/4.3/10.5/2.0/0.1/2.3 :34
3 7 Damian Lillard, POR PG Time to start getting saucy with it!  With one of the most horrific starting 2-5 runing mates a PG has ever had in the history of the NBA (well, maybe the Sixers at times last year!). the Blazers are going to tell Lillard to try and put up MVP numbers in a tank season.  Monster points/treys, a good bit of dimes, the steals have become respectable, but it’ll cost a high-volume FG% and a few too many TO.  The upside is too big to pass here.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.860/2.7/26.0/4.6/7.5/1.2/0.3/3.0 :36
4 8 Russell Westbrook, OKC PG Westbrook’s 2nd half was one of the most unreal post-ASB runs we’ve ever seen, but obviously with Durant back, those unreal dimes and a good chunk of shots are going away.  Up a few spots in 8-cat, that’s for sure!
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.2/23.0/6.3/7.5/2.0/0.3/3.9 :34
5 9 John Wall, WAS PG Regression in the developing 3-pt game hurt, and high-TO originally had me keeping him outside the top-10, but now flipping him ahead of Klay, Boogie and Kawhi due to thinning of top-tier PG
Slim’s Projection: .440/.800/1.0/19.5/4.5/10.6/1.8/0.6/3.7 :36

The “Oh crap it gets awful quick, how high should I reach for Eric Bledsoe?!” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
6 19 Eric Bledsoe, PHX PG, SG Swinging for the fences, Bledsoe is by far my favorite of the mid-round PG and has his best G running mate in Knight replacing Dragic/IT2.  Will need some monster stats and a slight relief in TO for this to happen…  But the dramatic drop off of PG has him even more attractive as an early target, plus Markieff Morris’s drama could mean even more shots.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.785/1.1/17.5/5.3/6.5/1.5/0.6/3.5 :36

The “I hope the run on PG doesn’t have me reaching too hard for the mid-round PGs” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
7 33 Kyle Lowry, TOR PG Litany of injuries through his career, tried to gut through a hand issue last year and FG% dropped to 37.3% and dimes down to 5.4.  Tension with coach Dwane Casey isn’t helping.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.810/2.0/18.0/4.7/6.4/1.4/0.2/2.4 :34
8 34 Jeff Teague, ATL PG Only played 30:31 MPG as he has one of the best backup PG behind him to clean up blowout minutes.  I don’t see that changing much.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.850/1.1/17.5/2.5/6.9/1.7/0.4/2.9 :32
9 38 Goran Dragic, MIA PG, SG A full offseason to gel with the Heat, got more dimes in Miami, nice out-of-position FG% help a well-rounded PG game.
Slim’s Projection: .500/.790/1.0/17.0/3.5/5.5/1.1/0.2/2.2 :34
10 40 Reggie Jackson, DET PG, SG I’m suspecting he could be a buzzy draft pick a few spots higher (edit – Yahoo pre-ranks have him 102 – what the hey?!), but his popcorn trip-dub stats get a little overvalued as he is low in 3s and steals with fairly high TO.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.830/1.1/17.5/4.5/8.6/1.0/0.2/3.2 :34
11 41 Elfrid Payton, ORL PG Final 21:12.4/5.6/8.7/2.4/0.5 with only 2.8 TO and 44.8% FG 58.8% FT.  Even with more touches in that stretch, only 1.9-3.2 FT a game.  Sure he doesn’t hit many treys either, but he can fit a lot of teams in this range.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.575/0.4/11.5/4.8/8.5/2.1/0.4/2.7 :34
12 43 Kemba Walker, CHA PG Cut the TO to a ridiculously low 1.6 a game, sure it should go back up a tad with a few more minutes, but with the dimes and treys he chips in, can go unloved.  Needs to shoot better than last year (38.5%).
Slim’s Projection: .400/.830/1.5/18.5/3.7/5.4/1.4/0.5/2.0 :36
13 44 Victor Oladipo, ORL PG, SG Took some convincing from Slim to get him top-50, but should play a ton of minutes and contribute in a lot of areas.  I wish he had a few less TO and wasn’t more a pure-SG, plus I think he’ll be overdrafted with some buzz.  Not a great deep shooter at the eye level (33.9% out there last year even seems high).
Slim’s Projection: .440/.820/1.3/19.0/4.3/4.3/1.8/0.4/2.8 :36
14 45 Monta Ellis, IND PG, SG Consistency in both stats and staying healthy, his steals can very often be overlooked.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.765/1.1/18.5/2.8/4.2/1.7/0.3/2.6 :34
15 46 Ricky Rubio, MIN PG This is the last time, Ricky!  Still only 24, I could see some dynamite games with the dimes as he leads an exposive offense with great steals.  Just needs to stay healthy… Gasp…  Rubio… Healthy…
Slim’s Projection: .380/.800/0.7/10.5/4.6/8.9/1.9/0.1/3.0 :32

The “Time to get reachy and get a buzzy, upside-y PG/Hope I avoid the old fart vets” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
16 48 Isaiah Thomas, BOS PG There are murmurs that IT2/3 could start, which would make him a really interesting upside selection.  A name that could move quickly through early preseason, either up or down.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.860/2.1/17.5/2.2/4.8/0.8/0.1/2.4 :28
17 51 Kyrie Irving, CLE PG, SG Recovery from the broken kneecap moving very slow, reports had surfaced he could be out until January, but they seem to be refuted now.  Either way, it seems unlikely he’s playing for the first few weeks at the least, with a very tight minutes restriction once he is back.  And even when he does finally suit up, Mo Williams gives the Cavs a much better backup PG to limit Kyrie’s minutes to ease him in.
Slim’s Projection: .465/.865/1.9/20.5/3.2/5.3/1.5/0.3/2.4 :34
18 53 Mike Conley, MEM PG I didn’t realize I was going to be the anti-Conley guy, but the downward trends are enough for me to avoid.  Steals going down, dimes down, starting to miss games… Not buying the “playing for a contract” bounceback narrative.
Slim’s Projection: .445/.830/1.5/16.0/3.0/5.9/1.4/0.2/2.2 :34
19 57 Jordan Clarkson, LAL PG 15.8/4.2/5.0/1.1/0.2 with 0.9 treys and 84% from the stripe as a starter – but love the mere 2.2 TO leading a horrible team.  I don’t think Russell becomes the main facilitator, Clarkson to give a solid multi-cat line.
Slim’s Projection: .450/.825/1.0/15.5/4.3/5.1/1.1/0.2/2.1 :32
20 60 Brandon Knight, PHX PG, SG Dropped the TO in PHX, cranked a ton of treys, and while the FG% in his brief stint for the Suns was awful, I think he can gel well with Bledsoe.  Markieff possibly forcing a trade gives some upside.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.830/2.0/16.0/3.0/4.7/1.2/0.1/2.2 :32

The “I REALLY hope I avoid any of these vets, and REALLY hope these aren’t my 2nd PG” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
21 65 Dwyane Wade, MIA PG, SG Hopefully this prices me out, but when he’s healthy he should be a top-50 player.  Do I even need to mention why he’s lower then…?
Slim’s Projection: .475/.770/0.4/20.5/3.4/4.1/1.1/0.3/3.0 :32
22 66 George Hill, IND PG, SG After easing in, Hill was playing at a career-best level in the second half last year.  But now George is back, Monta is brought in, no way we see those post-ASB numbers this year.
Slim’s Projection: .455/.800/1.6/15.0/3.8/4.6/1.0/0.3/1.7 :32
23 71 Deron Williams, DAL PG Showed in starts last year he can still be usable, although his FG% was sub-40%.  55 starts at 32:53 MPG have me thinking he could hold up most of the year on those kankles.  Kyrie’s injury shed a little more light on a really thin PG draft class this year.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.820/1.5/14.5/3.4/6.8/0.9/0.2/2.6 :32
24 72 Derrick Rose, CHI PG There’s no way I could feel good having Rose on my teams.  Even in his MVP season he wasn’t a fantasy elite, and still projects to have way too many TO and microscopic steals.  Pass.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.820/1.5/18.0/3.3/5.4/0.7/0.3/3.3 :30
25 75 Tyreke Evans, NO PG, SG Can still be useful when Jrue is healthy, popcorn stats are pretty – high TO, low treys, and a scary FT% last year not so much…
Slim’s Projection: .440/.745/0.7/16.5/5.2/6.0/1.2/0.5/2.9 :34
26 78 Jrue Holiday, NO PG The injury risk is just as high as the 40-year-old vets, I just can’t justify a higher pick even though he’s by far the best per-game player in this range.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.815/1.1/14.0/3.5/6.5/1.5/0.4/2.3 :30

The “PG worth drafting with some upside” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
27 81 Alec Burks, UTA PG, SG Exum injury opens up a huge gap at PG, as Burks should see starting SG minutes and backup PG minutes.  There’s upside in steals as the Jazz are a defensive juggernaut, and a healthy shoulder could translate into a lot more treys.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.785/1.2/16.5/4.3/3.2/1.0/0.2/2.0 :34
28 85 Ty Lawson, HOU PG If he slides this far, I think there’s value.  Main risk is yet another off-the-court incident, but here’s to hoping he can turn his life around.  Should get at least a little run with Harden and the starters, then all the 2nd unit mins.
Slim’s Projection: .440/.770/1.0/13.5/2.6/6.1/1.0/0.1/1.9 :28
29 89 Jarrett Jack, BKN PG, SG The Pts/Ast should be there, but steals are too low for a G and his FG% too low for not making enough treys.  It should be his show to run, but it’s got a really low ceiling.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.860/0.7/15.5/3.6/6.3/0.9/0.2/3.1 :34
30 93 Darren Collison, SAC PG George Karl has said Colly and Rondo will play some minutes together, and in a league embracing more and more combo guard sets, he could play more minutes than you’d expect. Rondo on a 1-year deal could be moved as well.
Slim’s Projection: .460/.815/1.1/15.0/2.9/4.8/1.3/0.2/2.2 :30
31 101 Emmanuel Mudiay, DEN PG %s and TO could be pretty bad as the raw Mudiay is handed the keys, in a MCW-esque way. But MCW was usable most of his rookie season. Taking the risk and the dimes at this point.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.575/0.4/14.5/4.6/5.9/1.2/0.3/3.2 :32
32 104 Michael Carter-Williams, ML PG Massive drops in REB/AST/3PTM moving to MIL, FG% went up a tad, but the TO were still dramatically too high in lower minutes.  Greivis Vasquez will push for a few extra PG minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.715/0.2/13.5/4.1/5.7/1.7/0.4/3.0 :28
33 107 Rajon Rondo, SAC PG Speaking of worth a shot, I’d be fine with the gamble on Rondo at this point outside the top 100.  Maybe he starts hitting his FT and gets the dimes to come way back, worst case you drop him a few weeks in.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.550/0.3/8.5/4.4/6.7/1.3/0.1/2.8 :28
34 110 Tony Parker, SA PG Dump the ball to Aldridge for a deep mid-range, to Kawhi on a drive or Duncan for a bank shot, it’s a nice combo of teammates to have a solid AST season in 70 games.
Slim’s Projection: .480/.780/0.5/14.0/2.0/5.0/0.5/0.1/2.0 :28
35 111 D’Angelo Russell, LAL PG TO and rookie inconsistency will be really frustrating, and I see Clarkson being a bigger facilitator.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.760/1.4/13.5/4.4/3.8/1.1/0.2/3.0 :30

The “Last rounds/last pick flier” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
36 113 Mo Williams, CLE PG, SG Irving’s slow recovery is going to open huge minutes for Mo early, and he’ll even play a pretty substantial role with Kyrie back as backup PG and combo G.  He’s going to contribute more early, but will become a big guy to try and flip, especially to the Kyrie owner if you nab him before Kyrie’s owner can handcuff.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.865/1.4/13.0/2.2/4.8/0.5/0.1/2.3 :26
37 114 Marcus Smart, BOS PG Boston making him only shoot threes is tanking his FG%, not enough dimes from a PG.  Steals will be nice, but I question the role especially since I’m high on IT 2/3.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.720/1.4/10.0/3.8/3.2/1.9/0.4/1.5 :30
38 115 Trey Burke, UTA PG Exum’s torn ACL has given Burke yet another chance, but we haven’t seen him run with a starting PG job yet in his career.  Worth a late round gamble pick.
Slim’s Projection: .390/.780/1.8/12.0/2.4/4.4/1.0/0.2/1.7 :30
39 117 C.J. McCollum, POR PG, SG A chance to move up a tad if the opening night starter, but 15.7/3.4/2.4/1.6/0.3 in per-36 last year with 2 treys isn’t exactly teeming with potential superstardom.  I’ll likely let someone else overreach.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.810/1.8/14.0/3.2/2.4/1.4/0.2/1.8 :30
40 118 Avery Bradley, BOS PG, SG The only Celtics starter you can really feel good about getting 30+ MPG, he can provide a few late PTS/3PTM/STL to round out your roster.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.795/1.6/14.0/3.3/1.9/1.1/0.2/1.5 :32
41 120 Jose Calderon, TOR PG Minutes cap at 26-28 hurts, but there’s not much else out there as a late source of AST/3PTM.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.880/1.3/8.0/2.8/4.3/0.6/0.1/1.6 :26
42 131 Jerian Grant, NYK PG Fits well as both the 1 and the 2, I just don’t know if he can be a huge NBA contributor just yet.  Minutes look to be there, which makes him worth a draft pick in 12ers.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.775/0.8/8.5/2.2/4.1/0.8/0.2/1.7 :24
43 133 Greivis Vasquez, MIL PG, SG The Twerp got picked up for a lottery-protected first-rounder, but that still ain’t too cheap.  Will challenge MCW for a few minutes, if not the bulk of minutes when MCW is cold.  Plus can play some combo 2.
Slim’s Projection: .415/.810/1.3/9.5/2.4/4.2/0.6/0.1/1.8 :24
44 134 Dennis Schroder, ATL PG In a 10-game 29:13 MPG starting sample – 14.1/3.4/7.7/0.7/0.0. Teague is usually durable, but I expect them to play more combo G this year as a tandem.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.780/0.8/12.5/2.8/4.9/0.7/0.1/2.1 :26
45 136 Tony Wroten, PHI PG, SG Wroten is off a partially torn ACL and might not even start. Then there’s the awful %s and TO. I expect him to take less 3s since he’s awful from deep, but then again Noel and Okafor are paint guys for a really weird offensive outlook. Given PG has dried up, I’d take a last-round flier and see what happens.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.650/0.8/14.5/2.8/4.9/1.4/0.2/3.3 :28

The “Undraftable in a 12er” Tier:

PG RANK TOTAL RANK PLAYER, TEAM POS NOTE
46 154 Langston Galloway, NYK PG, SG Nice D-League find for the Knicks, looks to be the odd man out of the Calderon/Grant/Afflalo minutes allocation.  Can still find his was into 1/3/1 3PTM/AST/STL.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.800/1.0/9.0/3.2/2.6/0.8/0.2/1.0 :24
47 155 Zach LaVine, MIN PG Dynamic upside, might not see good minutes until K-Mart is dealt. Will be impossible to hold in a 12er for the whole first half, but is the oft-injured Rubio’s backup as well.
Slim’s Projection: .430/.845/0.6/8.5/2.3/2.9/0.6/0.1/1.7 :20
48 162 Aaron Brooks, CHI PG Any backup to Rose is worth owning as a handcuff, and he was decent in spot starts last year.  They could still play Hinrich at starting PG though…
Slim’s Projection: .410/.815/1.7/10.5/2.4/1.1/0.6/0.2/1.4 :20
49 169 Patty Mills, SA PG Really struggled off the shoulder surgery last year, should see a bump in minutes with Cojo gone and a better team – starters to sit a good bit.
Slim’s Projection: .425/.840/1.4/9.0/2.1/1.8/0.7/0.1/0.8 :20
50 172 Lou Williams, LAL PG, SG More ThrAGNOF!  Steals and FT volume are going to go way down, along with a few minutes from last year.
Slim’s Projection: .400/.850/1.7/12.0/1.8/2.1/0.9/0.1/1.4 :24
51 174 Archie Goodwin, PHX PG, SG Likely the main G off the bench, Goodwin finally showed some flashes last year.  Will have some dynamic nights off the pine.
Slim’s Projection: .420/.745/0.6/11.5/3.9/2.4/0.9/0.4/1.9 :24
52 185 Patrick Beverley, HOU PG, SG Originally had him 199, but with PG thin and still a pretty solidified role, can chip in some 3PTM/AST/STL as a streamer or a late pick in deepers that will be overlooked.  Lawson is one final setback away from not playing ever again either.
Slim’s Projection: .410/.780/1.7/8.5/3.2/2.7/1.0/0.3/1.2 :26
53 186 Kendall Marshall, PHI PG Getting a multi-year deal is interesting, especially since he fits with the Sixers starters better than Wroten (pass-first, can hit 3s).  He’s still a long way away from getting rumored to start though, and won’t be ready to start the season, but he’s intriguing and will be worth watching.
Slim’s Projection: .405/.710/0.8/5.5/1.7/4.9/0.7/0.1/1.7 :20
54 189 Raul Neto, UTA PG Slim vehemently disagrees, but I think Neto is a solid player and brings the exact opposite as Trey Burke – facilitating and good defense.  They would never start a raw player over Burke who fits that description…  Oh wait, they did it last year!  Deep, deep sleeper.
Slim’s Projection: .385/.700/0.2/4.5/1.0/1.8/0.4/0.1/0.9 :12
55 194 Jameer Nelson, DEN PG Nelson is going to surprise with his role, as the Nugs signed him for three more years to mentor Mudiay.  When the raw rook is mad cold, Nelson will play big minutes.
Slim’s Projection: .435/.780/1.2/8.0/1.8/3.6/0.6/0.1/1.7 :20

Dropped out since the last rankings update: Brandon Jennings

  1. MAC says:
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    RAZZUP GUYS?!!! yo jb!!! just noticed u dont have aminu ranked in the top 200?!!! thats why u reacted when i picked him in our draft at 97 i believe. man, i know u might be low in him, but even top 200? cmon. i think hes guaranteed atleast 28-30min a night. he will be close to a 1 1 1 in 3s stl blk. i know hes not a pg, but just to let u know ma man. hehe

    • Slim

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      @MAC: I’m starting to rethink Aminu a bit. His career per-36 isn’t all that good…

      .437/.726/0.5/10.3/8.6/1.7/1.6/0.9/1.9

      but that doesn’t really tell the story. FG% has 3 bad years below .415 and 2 around .475, last year was bad. FT% started off in the mid .750s but the last 2 years were .664 and .712. He’s a sub 30% 3pt shooter which is well below league average. But it is interesting that he added it back into his game last year after not shooting it much with New Orleans, although it keeps his FG% down. The points are low, but the boards are Tucker-esque for a SF. Assists have stayed consistent but the TOs have dropped every year to a career low 1.4 last year. Career highs in steals and blocks (per-36) last year at 1.8 and 1.6 but I don’t believe those blocks at all. Which of theses numbers doesn’t fit? 0.6, 0.8, 0.9, 0.7, 1.6. What I see is that when he played vs starters he was a 0.8 per-36 blocker. But it’s worth mentioning his 5 playoff games last year were pretty darn good.

      .548 (6.2 At)/.789 (3.8 At)/1.4 (64%, 2.2 At)/11.2/7.2/1.2/2.0/1.6/1.2 :30

      Obviously he isn’t going to shoot nearly that well but at age 25 maybe he’s turned a corner. Yeah I would argue he should be top 200, maybe even 150 given the lack of playmakers around him. So… a projection. 30 min sound good?

      .425/.720/0.6/10.0/7.8/1.6/1.3/0.7/1.4 :30

      It’s useful in a 12er. Maybe a bit more of a streamer but yeah, draftable and certainly room for more.

      • MAC says:
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        @Slim:
        RAZZUP slim?!!! been a while to hear from you my main man. hes definitely top 200, and for me, hes definitely top 150 with the upside of top 100.

        that 5 games in the playoffs should show his upside if he gets the minutes. and he will get the minutes in R I P city this season. though definitely not getting him again that early (round 9 pick 97), drafting with fellow razzballers is tough and in our league with jb, “sleepers” are getting left and right in the middle rounds.

        when is your playoffs post slim?!!!

        • Slim

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          @MAC: It’s finally finished! 6300 words in the body and I’m messing with the intro right this second. I don’t want to go into how long this has taken but it’s a combination of schedules and my “ranks” since I don’t really post those anywhere else. And I don’t really rank guys with single numbers anyway, more like compare and contrast with similar players. But yeah, tomorrow maybe, I doubt today since JB needs to proofread the crap out of it and that is no simple task.

          Yeah, those razzball drafters are nothing to scoff at. Best free competition I’ve ever seen.

          • MAC says:
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            @Slim:
            nyc!!! bout D*mn tym!!! hehe. yeah, definitely good drafters here.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Slim: @MAC: Yeah Aminu was a semi-oversight but won’t be top 150 still. He’ll crack the next update. But I don’t think he’s guaranteed those minutes for the full season. I easily could see him coming off the bench for more youth once they’re completely out. He’s an avoid for me, but I get the potential.

              Hah yeah these Razz drafts are tough! Excited for the playoff post!

        • dan-o1 says:
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          @MAC: just so you don’t feel too bad , i drafted aminu in the same round haha. don”t think i’ll do it again,though

          • JB Gilpin

            JB Gilpin says:
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            @dan-o1: Yeah it’s way too high for me 🙂 I’m not drafting him in a 12er, I get the argument though

            • MAC says:
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              @JB Gilpin:
              haha! im definitely high on aminu compared to you guys. thats what im saying with lillard as well, portland could shut him down aftr all star break. thats why i have wall over lillard.

              • JB Gilpin

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                @MAC: Meh, it’d have to be a really bad injury situation, Lillard hasn’t missed a game in his career and want him durable. I think they tell him to go out and try to get scoring title just for fun haha

  2. A Hill O' Beans says:
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    Love the Eric Bledsoe tier name, haha. What happened to my boy Dennis Schroder though? Tony Wroten and Raul Neto but no Dennis Schroder?

    • Slim

      Slim says:
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      @A Hill O’ Beans: Hehe. Yeah I’m guessing this was put together after a long day of football watching. He’s allowed 1 mistake per beer. Now can we find the other 11 mistakes?

      • A Hill O' Beans says:
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        @Slim: Haha, yeah there must be at least 11 more then Slim!

        Did you see that sad excuse for a game between the Eagles and Cowboys? That’s enough to make you drink if you’re a fan of either.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: @A Hill O’ Beans: Yikes well there’s definitely two! Yeah I’m on not enough sleep keeping up with 3 sports in friggin September haha. Oh dear lord that game was awful! Luckily Allen Robinson and Yeldon who I have multiple stocks of looked good

  3. CTMN says:
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    There should be a tier called the “never again” tier with just Rondo and MCW. Lol

    • Slim

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      @CTMN: No argument here. You can probably tell from my projection that I think Rondo is done. No where near that 107 ranking for sure.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @CTMN: @Slim: Hahahaha yeah that’s definitely a tier for those!

  4. kai says:
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    where is Mudiay??????????!?!?!??!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @kai: Lost to the magical underpants gnomes that messed up some spreadsheet transfers 🙂 Fixing now

  5. A Hill O' Beans says:
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    I gotta say Slim. You can really tell these are your projections with JBs ranks when you see things like Neto being two spots below Beverley despite being projected for 12 whole MPG, haha. Love to see where you guys differ as it gives a bit of a second opinion on guys despite the single rankings list.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @A Hill O’ Beans: Hah yeah Slim hates Neto! Slim thinks Burke is a rock at starting PG all year! Just kidding, I won’t talk for Slim 🙂

  6. Jensen says:
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    Dear Slim,

    are your projections on a spreadsheet somewhere?

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Jensen: Not yet, but will be in the works! It’ll be a sortable spreadsheet by projection too!

      • Jensen says:
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        @JB Gilpin: WOOOOOOO! ETA? Thanks guys.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Jensen: Whew, not sure, I am trying to make it look a little shinier than last year’s but not sure if it’s gonna happen. Def by next week!

  7. JB Gilpin

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    Sorry for the omissions everyone! What you get when multitasking across three sports for a Sunday haha… Please let me know if anyone else ended up not making it into the tiers as they should’ve!

    • kai says:
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      @JB Gilpin:

      really awesome list. viewing by position is really clarifying, especially for PG which is usually my go-to category. Here’s where my thoughts differ:

      Bledsoe [+] I’d consider taking him as high as 15, which seems insane

      Lowry/Teague/Dragic [+] would probably bump closer to 30-ish. if you have roster spots, handcuffing Schroeder should be mandatory. I feel like these 3 guys are in a slightly different tier than the rest of those dudes you all have in the 40s…but not that much of a difference

      Mudiay [++] the %s are going to be killer, but Denver should be running all over the place. Mudiay and Gallo would be a killer combo.

      IT2/3 / Smart [-] neither guy gets as many assists as they should. at least Smart gets steals and 3s…even if IT eventually starts, how high can he really go? isn’t he what you call ThrAGNOF?

      Patty Mills [+] i kind of think of him like IT1/3. i think you all are selling him a bit short as Parker is cooked. i have him ~130

      All Vets [—] one of them will outplay their draft position. guessing which one is a roulette i don’t want to play.

      Cheers, can’t wait for the next positions

      • JB Gilpin

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        @kai: Thanks man! And thank you for catching my Mudiay mistake there, perils of being my own editor haha…

        E Bled – yeah can’t argue, why he’s a tier onto himself haha.

        Lowry/Teague/Dragic – I’m seeing Teague and Lowry go in the 20s which just feels too high to me. Maybe if you miss on the elite PG… I guess I lumped them together because I feel like waiting an extra round for Payton or Rubio and getting a big man in the 3rd doesn’t seem like a huge difference to me.

        Mudiay – Yup, the %s and TO… Could get scary. But will be fun to watch.

        IT2/3 – Not really a ThrAGNOF as he was over 5 dimes with Boston even in sub-26 MPG and offered a high-volume FT%. ThrAGNOFs would be more like 2 dimes and barely any FT. Of course IT2/3 won’t be getting to 8-9 dimes, but I could see 6 or even 6+ with 20 PPG and really good FT numbers. It would yield top-50 value if he gets the minutes.

        Patty – I still think Parker is gonna be OK, sadly. But he’s not close to IT2/3, not only will he not get the minutes, but the per-36s are drastically different, with the FT and AST again helping IT2/3.

        Vets – hah, yeah I could see getting Deron, and I drafted Jack in the 90s in my first RCL. Seemed a good enough value… But the rest, nope I’ll likely avoid.

        Thanks for stopping by!

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          @JB Gilpin: hey c’mon i called patty IT1/3 (eg, he’s 50% of IT2/3) 🙂

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            @kai: Hahahaha, dammit I didn’t see that! Well done sir 🙂 Very apt comparison then

  8. Clyde Prompto says:
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    I love Goran Dragic this year. He has a nice floor no matter what, and if/when Wade misses time he’ll be a stud. I also have a thing for G with great FG%, so perhaps I’m biased.

    • CTMN says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: Those are good points about fg% and Wade’s injuries but Dragic’s steals and 3s are just not that good…I’d rather have Lowry and Teague.

      • JB Gilpin

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        @Clyde Prompto: Yeah I was huge on Dragic last year, and it was awful in PHO. Agree with @CTMN: that his steals and 3s lower the value a bit. As I have them all so close, I’d be fine with any of them as my PG2

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          @CTMN: @JB Gilpin: Valid points all. I may just be swayed by the fact that “Goran Dragic” is an awesome name. Where’s the fun in fantasy if you don’t make a few illogical gut calls?

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            @Clyde Prompto: Hahaha, as I am swayed by KCP just because it’s so easy to type his name faster haha. Exactly! What makes fantasy fun – illogical biases and unpredictability.

  9. oneman boyband says:
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    Kemba Walker seeming interesting this year. Curious as to Lillard fg% with and without Batum on the court. wouldn’t even know where to find a stat like that. viva la fantasy

    • JB Gilpin

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      @oneman boyband: Yeah I should be better at manipulating data… So basketball ref has Batum’s game log only showing 10 games he was out even though he missed 11, but anyway in those 10 games Batum missed, here is Lillard’s slash:

      22.94 Pts, 48.7 FG% (8.92-18.02 FG)/94% FT (6.4-6.82)/4.8 REB/7.62 AST/1.3/0.2

      Pretty nice stuff, including 49.7% from deep, which isn’t likely to repeat. But the biggie – 3.8 TO in those games. It’s going to be a very TO heavy line this year

  10. oneman boyband says:
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    Brandon Knight is a tough call this year. off injury and didn’t have the same effect with the Suns. I think he is on a special list of players this year, ones who either get overdrafted or fall to some lucky individualy who will seem him get his A game back. Terrence Jones, Batum…..any more you want to put on a bounce back list??? I think that would make for a good article. Your new writer said he was looking for interesting topics from readers. Top 10 bounce back list would be nice.

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      @oneman boyband: Well I’m not passing judgment on last year, came over on a deadline deal and we only saw 11 games. I don’t know if that’s enough of a sample. I think I’m right in the middle, i.e. right at ADP, which means I’m likely not getting him since I have a lot of sleepers going way later in ADP than my rank. Great thought for an article! I’ll pass along, see if any of our new guys are interested 🙂

  11. Dante Green says:
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    HAH I like how my boy Bledsoe has his own category. LOL I’m really considering drafting him in the 2nd rd but I’m going with either Rudy or Dray first (if they were still available).. But if those two are already gone, I’ll definitely go with Bledsoe. Though ESPN has him ranked at late 20s so I think there’s still a fair chance I land him as my 3rd pick!

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      @Dante Green: Hah yessir! He really is his own tier since he’s not in the elites and not in that run of early-to-mid round guys. Yeah man, elite player/Rudy/Bledsoe would be a sick start!

  12. patrick says:
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    yooo. keep up the great jobs guys. Love Matty’s articles the past few days. Kind of annoyed my draft was so damn early (10 days ago) because content has been great.

    here’s another look at my sexy team in a 16 man league (h2h daily 13 roster spots):
    PG: John Wall, Jeff Teague, Jordon Clarkson, Darren Collison, Kendall Marshall
    SG: Reggie Jackson, Alec Burks, Tony Wroten,
    SF: Gerald Henderson
    PF: Pau Gasol
    C: Rudy Gobert, Myles Turner, Zaza Pachulia

    so yeah extremely guard heavy. my SF position is elite, i know. NEED SOME FORWARDS!!

    Wasn’t able to snag Henson off waivers.. waivers are super bare: Teletovic, Justin Anderson, James Johnson, Frye, Varejao. leaning Justin Anderson especially after the news about parsons and matthews being eased in. Keeping a close eye on Markieff’s situation for teletovic.

    Somehow I ended up with all the assist in my league — even my scrub guards I can hold for trade bait. I got pretty much all of these guards at good value (Teague – 36, Reggie – 68, Clarkson – 94, Wroten and Marshall – 190s). I think as preseason and the season kicks off the production will speak for itself and I can get some trades. Don’t know if Justin Anderson is worth the drops.

    Then again not having eligible SF/PF positions will get ugly fast if i can’t get a trade done. I’m in a confusing spot.

    Let me know what you think

    • JB Gilpin

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      @patrick: Thanks man! Yeah Matty is awesome, glad to have him aboard!

      Hah yeah I did one draft early for S’s and G’s, but I like the 1-2 weeks before season drafts the best.

      HOLY CRAP IN A 16er?! That’s a good 12 team league. Hah yeah a SF will come off the wire though. Might be worth dropping Marshall, and yes I totally agree, it’s Anderson and not close, especially early. Since Marshall isn’t going to be ready to start the year, I don’t know how easy he’ll be to hold onto the first few weeks anyway without a clear job when he is ready.

      I imagine Turner will get PF which will help, but with daily moves it’s not a huge issue yet for me, but on heavy schedule days it will get annoying having an empty SF or PF spot with 3 guards on your bench. I might wait until the year starts and sell high say Burks, if he puts up 20 PPG the first few games for example

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        @JB Gilpin: yeaahhh dude, got Wall and Gobert from a skeptic for LBJ. changing turner into a PF/C will help a LOT on my team.. not to sound like a noob but didn’t know that was a possibility.. hopefully that will pan through

        Good point about Marshall. I like him as a player and those assists are so saucy in my league buttt ure absolutely right, not worth waiting 4 weeks+

        I firmly believe the comments section is what separates razzball from the others so huge salute to you guys for this help.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @patrick: Sick! Wait did you comment on that trade on an earlier post? If so, sorry I forgot!

          Yeah players can gain eligibility, but it’s run through different metrics on ESPN vs. Yahoo – ESPN’s is stingier. But either way, he should play a lot of minutes next to Jordan Hill, who is known more as a pure C.

          Yup could easily be that long for Marshall. They want to see what they have in Wroten for a while first.

          Thanks so much man appreciate it! Any time!

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            @JB Gilpin: all good man — so many commenters. feeling pretty good about my team for sure. Playing in Yahoo so fingers crossed.

            Dropped Marshall and picked up Justin Anderson — saw Kelly Oubre was also available, i remember you mentioning him in a few pods. Should I just keep an eye on Oubre? or is he worth dropping any of the aforementioned? He seems buried in the depth chart according to ESPN

  13. Drez1 says:
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    Do you guys think Cameron Payne cracks the rotation this season? Seems like he’s got a fantasy friendly game if he gets minutes.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Drez1: Meh, not really a role yet, although I do like the player. Augustin is still really capable

  14. DK says:
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    Sup JB! Been following you entire summer. Awesome posts as usual. Did a random mock draft. Not the best, just want to get a feel of it. How do you think I did? 9 cat 14 man draft.

    Lillard
    Gobert
    Hayward
    Favors
    Gallinari
    Wiggins
    Terrence Jones
    Clarkson
    Jack
    KCP
    Zaza
    Burks
    Schroder

    • JB Gilpin

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      @DK: Yo dude! Thanks man, good to see ya!

      Lovvvvvve it. Wow Wiggins went after Gallo? Yeesh. Obviously my ranks loves this team, up to Jack they’re all top 60 for me. Nice late round picks too. The twin tower Jazz man… The onlly gap I see is the dimes would be slow for this team, maybe slightly low on steals too. But if you played it out, I think Gallo and Wiggins would warrant a solid mid-round PG early on in a buy low/sell high trade

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        @JB Gilpin: thanks man. Always good to hear from you. I knew I would be weak in ast. It was Wiggins or Gallo or mid tier PG. Rjax is gone. I was contemplating on Rubio or Deron. But I thought to go for best available and trade after, esp if Gallo And Wiggins exceed their adp.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @DK: Wiggins is no question ahead of Rubio for me, so weird he’s pre-ranked so low. Rubio instead of Gallo would’ve made it a little more well rounded, but yeah Gallo has so much more upside, certainly can be addressed with just one trade.

  15. Nishinga says:
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    I have the 3rd pick in 10 teams H2H 9-cat league.
    So I also have the 18th and 23th picks.

    Lets say I get Harden/Steph first pick, second pick I gets Millsap, then in the 23th Draymond Green is still available and I can’t really pass on him. but if I pick him I’m not gonna have Bledsoe in the 38th and my 1st/2nd PG (Depends on my first pick) would be someone like Payton/Kemba/Jackson/Rubio.
    This scenario is my biggest nightmare for my draft.

    The only thing that can solve this mess is Millsap not available in the 18th and I get Green instead and hopes that Bledsoe still available in the 23th.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Nishinga: Yeah that’d be an awesome start! Having a stud like Harden or Steph certainly makes it OK having one of the early/mid round guys as a 2nd PG.

      You seem a little PG greedy! Harden or Steph plus Bledsoe would give you the best PG class in your league, of course it’d be awesome, but having those multi-cat PF and still a solid PG2 would be a ridiculous start.

    • CTMN says:
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      @Nishinga: If you get Harden you’re already getting high assists from a non PG which basically has the same if not a better effect than a top PG.

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