History has its fair share of dynamic duos, whose split left one basking in overwhelming success and the other flying off into oblivion.

Simon and Garfunkel. Bret “The Hitman” Hart and Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart. Richard Gere and the gerbil.

When it comes to famous big man pairs, it’s just as tough to predict how things are going to shake out. Tim Duncan did pretty OK after David Robinson retired. Ralph Sampson after he was separated from Hakeem Olajuwon? Not so much. When the Rockets split up the original “Twin Towers” during the 1987-1988 season, “The Dream” went on to win a couple titles while Sampson – instead of becoming the best pro ever, as predicted – went on to a life on the end of the benches in Oakland and Sacramento. At the time, this was not a good thing.

This past offseason, Detroit decided one big dude was plenty, so they kept Andre Drummond and let Greg Monroe sign with the Bucks.

For now, we can gawk at the big brains (and big shiny dome) on Greg Bower and say the Pistons made a wise choice.

(editor’s note – Daily Notes will be out later this morning!)

The Pistons are 3-0 and Drummond is averaging 16.3 boards and 2 blocks per game. That’s well within our Golden Zone of 15-20 (boards plus blocks).

After getting their first win over the Nets last night, the Bucks are 1-3. And despite a damn nice 23-13-1 line, Monroe is averaging a modest 10 rebounds and one block per game.

Obviously, we’re in the early going. Some things are going to change. Detroit can’t be this good – no team with Ersan Ilysova in its starting lineup can have championship aspirations. And Milwaukee won’t be this bad – too many long, dynamic players, and it’s just a matter of fitting all those young Bucks together.

For fantasy purposes, I do see Drummond continuing to be a beast. Maybe he needed Monroe out of there to truly unlock his inner Moses Malone.

If last night’s game is any indication, I can see Monroe getting a few more boards and blocks, but with all kinds of tweeners and even point guards (Michael Carter-Williams) who can board, he’ll have plenty of competition in the paint. Besides, he’s only had one season where he averaged double digits in rebounds.

Going forward, I see this duo playing out like the Brutus Beefcake-Greg Valentine tag duo after they split up following Wrestlemania III. Beefcake, of course, went on to even larger stardom as “The Barber,” but “The Hammer” kind of slipped down a tier.

Enough of this wrastlin’ talk. Let’s get into some more B-N-Bs.

Gorgui Dieng – Nobody can figure out what’s up in Minny. If you’re in a youth movement, why are you starting Kevin Garnett and Tayshaun Prince? And if we’re to accept the idea that OK, KG and Prince will start out the season playing some minutes and then step aside for rest so the youngins can get some run, then why is Nemanja Bjelica the first guy off the bench and not Dieng? Still not dropping, but I’m getting close.

Josh Smith – Almost useless now that he’s a PTP-er on Doc Rivers’ bench, but still could be deployed as a blocks streamer who could get you a few boards too. Plus fewer minutes means fewer FT attempts, which in Smith’s case means fewer bricks.

DeAndre Jordan – Is averaging 15 rebounds and 5 blocks per game. I just wanted to write that and look at it. Yum.

Zaza Pachulia – What do you do if you’re Mark Cuban and Jordan jilts you at the altar and runs back to the Clippers? You go out and get yourself some Zaza, dammit! Yeah, how you like that L.A.? Dallas gonna run an immobile, 31-year-old slab of Russian beef out there at center to form an ancient NBA version of the Iron Curtain and take the Western Conference. Well, maybe not, but Zaza’s not too bad at taking up some space, grabbing some boards and even swatting a shot here and there.

Willie Cauley-Stein – Nine boards in each of his last two games to go along with some blocks, steals and other goodies. With DeMarcus Cousins likely to miss a little time, Old Young Man Willie will get a chance to shine for a few games.

Victor Oladipo – If you’re a smaller guy, and you’re getting double figures in boards-plus-blocks, I like that. Vic is averaging about 9 boards and a little more than a block per game, and that doesn’t seem out of whack at all. He’ll pull down 7-9 rpg and average 1.5 bpg for the season.

Blake Griffin – I was going to bitch about Griffin “only” averaging nine rebounds per game until I realized that’s an improvement on last year, and he’s also scoring 32 ppg on 64 percent shooting. OK, not bad. How about a block every now and then, though, since you can, you know, jump over cars and stuff?

Kristaps Porzingis – Well hello there. A little double-double action (13 points, 14 boards) to go along with two swipes last night in a loss (what else?) to the Spurs.

Kawhi Leonard – Put up an 18-14-1 to help secure the win. That’s his third game out of four with double-digit boards. There’s nothing Sugar-K can’t do!

Nerlens Noel – Still say he looks great, but the key to what he and Jahlil Okafor can do in Philly lies in the hands of a floor general, or lack thereof. They don’t even need a Magic Johnson or a John Stockton (although that’d be … nice), they just need capable guards who can run a half court offense and, well, pass. They looked a lot better last night, for example, with Nik Stauskas in the game, but Stauskas isn’t a PG. T.J. McConnell did a nice job of getting the big men the ball, but he’s not really a viable NBA player. Will be interesting to see what Tony Wroten’s got going when he comes back from injury.

Rudy Gobert – I suggested selling high last week (in non-keeper leagues!), and if you did, I hope you got a stud back. If you didn’t, don’t. He brought a great Mischief Night gag to Philly, in fact, he brought a half-dozen of them, sending six Sixer shots flying to go along with 11 boards.

Kyle O’Quinn – Looked like the Kyle O’Quinn of early last year in the first two games, grabbing double digit boards and rejecting three shots total, but has looked more like Colin Quinn in the last two. He’s a streamer for B-N-B action.

  1. Lasandro says:
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    Incredibly awesome references all round, ma man. Almost forgot about those gerbels..

    Vic averaging that many brds and blks?? Woah! Wonder what @jb Gilpin and @slim would think about that? You’ve got me curious.

    • Pete Nice

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      @Lasandro: he’s so athletic and active. Seven boards is doable. Just like a furry little creature.

  2. Steve Stevenson says:
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    You think Mahinmi stays out of foul trouble enough to get to double digit BNB? He’s at 9 right now.

    Also, if Aaron Gordon starts getting more minutes, where do you see him ending up?

    • Pete Nice

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      @Steve Stevenson: Per 36 minutes, Mahinmi is averaging 10.2 rpg and 2.3 bpg, and he’s just now starting to see his minutes go up. Even if the numbers go up accordingly, I’d like to see more boards.

      Gordon is probably an under 10 B+B dude.

      • Principal Blackman says:
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        @Pete Nice: Per 36, Gordon is averaging slightly better than Mahinmi at 10.4/2.4 BNB, Gus Ayonin, as JB might say.

        Actually Gordon’s entire per36 line looks mighty tasty (18.9/10.4/1.2/1.8/2.4/2.4). I hope Skiles finds a way to get him more minutes sooner rather than later.

  3. Pong says:
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    Hey Folks, got another question for you.

    O Quin or Bjelica in 9 cat, 12 teamer?

    • Principal Blackman says:
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      @Pong: Bjelica has the minutes advantage right now, but I think KOQ has the upside. And if we’re talking about boards and blocks specifically, Bjelica doesn’t seem to be much of a shot blocker. I’m still siding with KOQ.

      • Pete Nice

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        @Pong: @Principal Blackman: How deep are your rosters? (sung to the Bee Gees). Neither of those dudes should be rostered in 12 team leagues, IMO.

        • Pong says:
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          @Pete Nice:

          PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, 2 Util and 4 bench players.

          My team: kemba, beal, butler, mirotic, klay, duncan, bosh, monroe, teague, jack, stanjo, oquin, schroder

          • Pete Nice

            Pete Nice says:
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            @Pong: @Principal Blackman : Yeah def Colin O’Quinn over Bjelica for b-n-bs but check yer wire.

  4. I'm Harden for your love says:
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    I’m looking for some Points and Boards what do you think J.Jack could fetch me?

    • Matt says:
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      @I’m Harden for your love: A lower end big possibly. Maybe Jahlil Okafor if that person is in need of Jack’s stats. If you trust in Julius Randle you could try for him – slim chance you may get him. Tyson Chandler might be possible but he doesn’t give you enough points. You could also try to get Kanter. People in that range are probably what you’re looking at. You could also try to buy low on Covington but he won’t average more than 5 boards and it might take him a few weeks (and/or Noel and Okafor injuries) before he gets the points.

      • Pete Nice

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        @I’m Harden for your love: @Matt: I don’t think you could get Okafor for Jack, but Randle sounds good. That’d be a nice get for you if you could swing it.

    • Slim

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      @I’m Harden for your love: Personally I’d avoid Okafor unless it’s a points based league. He’s currently a great sell high since he hasn’t been a FT killer yet but he WILL sink your FT% and TOs, actually Randle will too, without helping much anywhere else (both will be well shy of a steal or a block). I would start out higher. Jack for Gortat or Faried since they have started out very slowly, ideally you would throw in someone else for a 2-fer-1. If that doesn’t work then I would try Markieff or Meyers Leonard (he’ll be fine), hell I’d rather just 20 minutes from Gorgui than mess with Okafor or Randle. If you still can’t find a match then I would go for the upsidey young guys in Turner and Porzingis, although I doubt the Porzingis owner is going to let him go but maybe he’s in need of a PG. I’d even rather Zaza than Okafor or Randle, but it’s starting to appear like I’m one of the lowest on both. For reference sake Jack is currently ranked higher than both, per BBM it goes Jack @125, Okafor @154 (and that’s on 77% FTs for a guy who shot 51% last year), Randle outside of the top 200. Those rankings are about where I would put each. More boards but lower FT% for Okafor but still about 150 overall.

      • Pete Nice

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        @Slim: @I’m Harden for your love: I was thinking Faried too man. Great minds…although as a dope Sixers fan, I loves me some Okafor. He’s pretty tough. Not for nothing but he was owning Kevin Love in the post.

        • Slim

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          @Pete Nice: I really like Okafor in real life, he’s gonna be a great scorer for a very long time and I do think the FT% and TOs eventually become respectable, like they did for Griffin. Just not this year. He definitely fits the Sixers much better than Porzingis too since he’s a high USG type which they lack right now. But Porzingis fits the Knicks really well since he isn’t being asked to be the #1 option on offense. I doubt either team thinks they made the wrong pick.

  5. Noman says:
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    If I already have Whiteside and Kanter, should I drop Zaza for Covington?

    • Scott says:
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      @Noman: or Should I roster 3 Centers? These are available:
      Timofey Mozgov
      Andrea Bargnani
      Brandon Bass
      Brandon Wright
      Khris Humphries

    • Matt says:
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      @Noman: Absolutely. Covington should start hitting 3s, get good steals, and decent points and boards. Get him now while you can.

      • Noman says:
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        @Matt: Looks like he’s on waivers. Luckily, I have first priority. Thanks!

        • Pete Nice

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          @Noman: @Scott : Yeah wow surprised he was out there. Crazy!

  6. J says:
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    Hey Pete,

    12 Team (Standard 9 CAT)

    Bledsoe, IT, Jack
    Knight, Pope
    Durant, Gay, AGordon
    Millsap, Markieff
    Meyers Leonard, Myles Turner, Mason Plumlee

    A guy in my league is looking for a wing player. Meanwhile I wouldn’t mind getting more of an elite big.

    Is my Rudy Gay + Mason Plumlee for his Karl Anthony Towns and Kristaps Porzingis fair? Too much, too little?

    Thanks!

    • Matt says:
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      @J: Crazy idea by me – we’ll see what Pete says – but have you thought about trading Durant? You have plenty of points (plus your big in return will get about 20+ pts.). You might be able to trade for Cousins and someone else decent from that squad. Or Gobert, Ibaka, Griffin, Noel, etc. I assume you want boards so Griffin probably isn’t the best bet unless you get a Favors or Monroe (or Drummond/Jordan and disregarding their poor FT%) back too.

      • Pete Nice

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        @J: @Matt:

        I would do that Towns/Porzingis deal in a second.

        As for the Durant deal, I like how you think, Matt … but in this case I feel like Durant is his only given. I’m not 100 percent comfortable calling any of those other guys studs. I’m a big proponent of trading smaller pieces to get one big one, because they don’t grow on trees.

        • Matt says:
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          @Pete Nice: Good point. I just figured that his foot is still a risk – albeit might be small at this point. He’s his best opportunity to upgrade his big men. If he could get Cousins and an average 3 point shooter along with him it might be worth thinking about. Depends on the rosters in his league. If he could trade someone and Durant for Cousins (or whomever) plus a Butler or Klay that’d be a great deal. I also didn’t think that maybe the Brow owner will sell low on him too. Just worth trying while you have a great trade piece in Durant, but completely can’t blame you for hanging onto him. The Gay for Towns trade would be worth it.

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