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Razzball Nation!  You’ve read that right, we’ve got a podcast comin’!  Our first “official” episode will be on Friday, June 27th covering the NBA Draft with Razzball regulars Slim and Pete Nice hopping on.  In our first little foray into the audiosphere, we talk NBA Finals, make our picks for the series with the Spurs up 2-1, and talk our thoughts on what Cleveland is gonna do with that first pick.  Michael Olowokandi!  So be sure to check us out either by listening to the post or on iTunes (links will be filled in soon – will update this post as soon as things are rockin’ and rollin’), and we’ll see ya after the Draft!

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  1. Zar says:
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    So how does Kawhi’s performance boost his already crazy ranking (23rd last year). I’m still trying to figure out which one is slim and which one is pete. I heard that Embiid’s physical didn’t go well.

    Anyways, good to hear that you are going to podcast this season! Good luck!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Zar: Well a lot depends on if Timmay retires. I have him 21, and have a feeling I won’t be able to move him up much more because Pop will still use the minute-restricting rotations. Maybe 18ish? Interesting on Embiid and that back issue he had at Kansas should be scary.

      Thanks man! We’re looking forward to it too. I jacked up some of the levels in this test run, but it’ll be much clearer in our Premiere!

    • Slim

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      @Zar: I’m the one that said the Heat are done. Bosh said it best when he said that the Spurs were playing the best basketball he’d ever seen. Welp, bye bye Bron Bron it’s been fun.

  2. Peter Nincompoop says:
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    Looking forward to the podcast. You three all do a great job.

    THE DRAFT IS ONLY 10 DAYS AWAY! Although my OCD makes me write in all caps on a regular basis in the classroom, in this instance, it’s just to express my excitement. I read JB&Slim’s (sounds like a burger chain) mock draft and am anxious to see how it plays out myself. The mothership had their mock draft #317 today and spoke highly of Embiid’s recent workouts and are now predicting him to go #1 with Parker and Wiggins to follow. I think all three are going to be extremely good pro’s but Parker will have the most fantasy impact in 2014/2015, especially if he ends up going #2 to the Bucks.

    I know it’s difficult to predict rookie fantasy impact without knowing what team’s they end up on and the corresponding opportunity their given, but that would be a good posting to ponder. Random thought’s and musings…

    Does anyone know anything about Dante Exum outside of his 6’6 rangy frame and that he plays PG? Exum…Austrailian for mystery.

    The aforementioned mothership had Elfrid Payton going #8 to the Kings. I spit up some Glenlivet on my terry cloth bathrobe when I read that. I guess he’s having good workouts. Hopefully none of them involve shooting the basketball. Good grief.

    Regardless of where they land, here’s three dudes that will go after pick #15 that will outperform 10 of the previous picks: Adreian Payne, T.J. Warren and Cleanthony Early.

    Three guys drafted after pick #15 who are projects, but will pan out within 2-to-3 years: Zach LaVine, James Young and Rodney Hood.

    You guys to do great stuff. Thanks

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Peter Nincompoop: Thanks so much man! totally agree with that assessment, Parker is probably my #1 drafted rookie too. We tried to throw in a little fantasy impact in our post, but didn’t go too in-depth since probably 80% or more of our picks will be wrong haha. Nice translation on Exum! Might have to work that line into an official nickname :)

      Yikes, Payton at 8?! I still don’t understand why they hate IT2 so much… Plus they have McCallum too, they might try a trade if they do that. Save me a shot of Glenlivet! I really like Glenmorangie myself.

      Totally agree on Warren. Part of my thinking when I picked him 11. Payne maybe, I don’t know so much on Early I think he can be a really good NBA role player.

      Lovvvvvvvvvvvve LaVine. My pick of him to the Jazz makes perfect sense. I like Young too. Hood I think will turn into a ThrAGNOF for fantasy – but real life could be a steal.

      Thanks for dropping by!

    • Slim

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      @Peter Nincompoop: I would be shocked if Parker goes anywhere but #3 overall. With the reports that the 76ers are looking to trade their #3 and Thaddeus for the #1 pick makes me think that not only do the 76ers not want Parker but they also don’t think Wiggins will fall to them at #3. For fantasy I want whoever ends up in Philly the most. That team needs a scorer and a #1 option and I think whichever they draft will immediately be that guy. There’s going to be too much competition on the Bucks for whichever they get to come in immediately and be ‘the guy’. SF/PF has to compete with Antetok, Middleton, and Henson for playing time and all 3 deserve the first shot.

      I’ve only seen highlight film on Exum, the summer league will tell us a lot about him.

      I took Elfrid #20 overall in our mock to backup Lowry in Toronto. I think he needs some seasoning before getting a big role. I agree that his shooting makes a #8 pick way too high and in fantasy his FT% is going to be tough to justify.

      I like Payne as an immediate impact low ceiling pick. I took him #16 to the Bulls and if that happens and they dismiss Boozer then Payne should be relevant next year, but probably not in a 12er or less. JB took Warren #11 to Denver and in that scenario he could be an immediate impact guy, #11 seemed a little too high to me. Cleanthony is one of my favorites too and if he goes #22 to Memphis like I mocked then he could be 12er worthy from day 1.

      LaVine, Young, and Hood are 3 guys I want very little to do with in fantasy, ever. LaVine probably has the longest till he’s ready but at what position? I don’t think he’s a PG. I’m not convinced Young will ever get to 1.0+ steals and as a ThrAGNoF that is entirely unacceptable to me. Hood is a nearly identical player stats wise and I don’t think he gets to 1.0+ steals either.

      3 guys that I think have more upside and should be drafted around the same place… Kyle Anderson, Jordan Adams, and Garry Harris. Adams is the guy I hope lucks into big minutes. I’m such a sucker for high end steals from my wings.

  3. Peter Nincompoop says:
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    Reports are saying Joel Embiid may have broken his foot. Depending on the severity (e.g., 5th metatarsal), that’s going to shake things up.

    Outside of the international players (e.g., Saric, Nurkic, etc.), Noah Vonleh is the one college player I don’t remember watching this past year, probably cause the Hoosiers were terrible and never on TV. Do either of you know much about him? He’s projected to go anywhere from #5-to#10.

    • Slim

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      @Peter Nincompoop: I’m not sure if I should be pimping a different website, if not JB can just delete this, but draftexpress has some pretty good videos. One in particular that showed him vs Payne, Hammons, and Syracuse’s zone.

      The measurables (apparently not a word) are all through the roof, wingspan, hand size, all that kind of thing but what I’ve taken away from what I’ve seen is the ability to do a little bit of everything and do it well. I think he has 1/1/1, 3s/stls/blks potential and with his aggressiveness to get his shot off or drive to the basket Vonleh should develop into a 15+ PPG guy that’s a match-up nightmare for big 4s relatively quickly. Although I’m not entirely convinced he has NBA 3-pt range quite yet. The biggest caveat right now is that he’s way too turnover prone, and of course there’s the usual stuff, he needs to get stronger, smarter, yadda ^3, but he’s only 18 and compared to Payne who’s 23 the all-star caliber upside becomes even more glaring.

      These injuries for Embiid better be scaring GMs away. I joked about comparing Wiggins/Embiid to Durant/Oden in our mock draft but maybe that isn’t so far off.

      • Peter Nincompoop says:
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        @Slim: Thanks Slim!

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Slim: DELETE DELETE DELETE! hah nah it’s all good. Not like we’re an NBA Draft scouting website haha. Measurables… Wow, yea I get the red underline too… I agree with Slim, @Peter Nincompoop: , I like Vonleh’s upside too, but might be a little while. Next to Cousins would be nasty though, which is where Slim took him in our Mock.

      Ugh yeah I wouldn’t touch Embiid. If he falls to 9 somehow, I still hope the Horets pass. Aaron Gordon! Let’s go!!!!

      • Peter Nincompoop says:
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        @JB Gilpin: You want Aaron Gordon to fall to the Hornets at #9? He’s cut from the exact same cloth of Derrick Williams. I’d stay away.

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Peter Nincompoop: Wow, harsh! Naw I don’t think that, I think he could be a mad athletic 3 vs. a stagnant 4 (which D Will is). It would take some development time, and Gordon played down his hype to fit on an Arizona team, showed some early maturity. I’d be stoked.

  4. Zar says:
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    Yikes a foot (broken foot) injury for embiid. I don’t know enough about the college players to guess how the draft will shift.

    And jb, hopefully today will be a glorious day for heany. If he rocks, will he be the next pitcher profiled?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Zar: It should a bit, especially since he’s a big. Horrifying news, as I mentioned above, if he somehow fell to 9 I really hope the Hornets pass too. Happy Heaney day! He didn’t quite own, but was really really good, he’s the next Profile, already locked in the schedule!

      • Zar says:
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        @JB Gilpin: nice! Yeah heany didn’t disappoint. But miami did dissappoint :(

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @Zar: Yeah that was shocking… Oh well, at least it might help Kawhi get more minutes next year! We can only hope… A night of Heaney profiling here we come!

  5. Slim

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    I was looking at my REL team with the real draft coming up and I’m trying to get a feel for what a few of these rookies should be worth.

    So what are we thinking Parker/Wiggins REL price tag should be? If we assume both are going to get 30+ minute roles immediately then I think $40 looks like a starting point. Could easily go $10 higher though if someone thinks either is going to be a superstar.

    Embiid, I don’t know, anyone that takes him is probably saying they aren’t going to try to compete this year. That won’t be me but either way $20 feels low considering the talent.

    Exum probably won’t immediately get that kind of minutes but he looks like a $20ish guy, right?

    I think Smart will be ready day 1 so even though he probably will get drafted after Exum I think he’s closer to a $30 guy.

    Then the 4 PFs. Vonleh, Gordon, Randle, McDermott. I think they are all $20 guys too and for fantasy (in a keeper) I would rank them in this order.

    Finally the sophomore wings. Harris, Warren, Stauskas. I like them in this order for fantasy (in a keeper) and I’m thinking $10-$15 probably.

    So what do you think of my values before we know where they play?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Slimbo! I’ve missed you, can’t wait until we get to talk each other off with basketball Friday morning…

      Parker/Wiggins – I think Parker goes “For a Few Dollars More…” Isn’t that a movie? But yeah, just because he gives a little more immediate impact. I think whomever gets nominated first – the second might go for more too. $40+ for sure on both, lots of money to play with in the draft. Whoever goes 2nd might indeed get $50.

      Embiid. Someone will em-over-bid. I’m not touching him. Screams injury prone. I think he’ll have no problem going over $30 for a team with no bigs.

      Smart is who I want. A little depends on where he goes, but I like my dynasty teams to have guys I like to root for, and I love watching Smart. I need PG help too. But if Smart goes overpriced, I’ll probably go $30ish on Exum in the right situation.

      McDermott I agree is last of the 4 PFs. I think a scorer then nothing fantasy wise. A PF ThrAGNOF with low Reb and no blocks. Yawn. Randle screams Tristan Thompson to me – which in the REL is still worth something. I think Slim just threw up a little. Vonleh I like 1 too. Gordon will take some seasoning, but if he goes the the Hornets, he might be the rookie I try to grab. I’m still clinging onto hope that’s what happens…

      If Denver reaches for Warren like I did in the mock – or he goes somewhere where it looks like he’ll get shots, I think he could near $20. Maybe I’m biased because I’m in NC and saw a lot of him. Doesn’t do much but score – but is better than McDermott haha. Stauskas is a ThrAGNOF – pass, Gary Harris might have the most overall upside. Agree with pricing on all 3 – maybe closer to $20 like I said for Warren and for Harris.

      Did you see Jay Bilas’ rankings had LaVine #10?! Saw that on the bottom line during MIke and Mike. ESPN just did a recent mock with him going 11. Seems like he’s a big last minute riser.

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: In the REL Tristan types have value, reluctantly I can accept this. But I bet Randle won’t make it on my team. I have a feeling I’ll probably value him much lower than others considering where he’s going to get drafted in real life.

        I won’t go $50 for either of the top 2. I don’t think I’ll go over $40, maybe, but I doubt it. That’s a big chunk of cash.

        Embiid is impossible to predict. I’m pretty sure I won’t let him go for under $15 but hopefully enough people will bid him up I can just stay out of it. Noel went for a decent amount, $12.

        I would have trouble spending $20 on a wing. Low rebound, low assist, low shot blocking by default. Like I look at who I’ve got. Actually, how did I win with this group? I’m really unimpressed looking at it right now. Lillard, Reggie, Burks, Ross, Tobias, Adams @ $102, plus possibly Adrien, DJ, Brewer, Kelly, Marcus Morris, Tucker, Amir.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: Yeah Noel maybe should’ve gone for a few more, but he was out all year 1 and Embiid isn’t that severe.

          You won because you contributed top to bottom. So many teams had injured or non-useful guys because there’s no wire. DJ was huge. Adams is gonna be a monster – nice call on that pick!

  6. Slim

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    There’s been a bit of news leading up to the draft…

    Frye opting out is good stuff. Markieff could be a top 50 player with 30+ minutes and a starting job. Marcus could also get an extra couple minutes per game and be a top 100 player with his 3s and solid steals. But the big takeaway is definitely Markieff Morris.

    Mo Williams opting out. Hopefully this means C.J. McCollum can show what he’s got with 20+ minutes off the bench.

    None of the Spurs are retiring. I like Kawhi and I hope I get him but I have the feeling he’s going to be frustrating again next year with the lack of scoring. But I expect Mills to leave which should put Corey Joseph as the default backup PG and you know I feel like he’s good enough to be a starter for someone right now.

    Dario Saric is out as a lottery pick. He signed to play overseas. Maybe he’ll still be drafted but he’s going to get the JV treatment. Double entendre!

    I guess that’s all I’ve seen that I found particularly interesting.

    From my REL team I’m paying a lot of attention to Jeff Adrien. If it looks like he’s going to get a decent role off the bench then I think I’m probably going to keep him. What the Lakers do at PF is also going to effect me heavily. I’m looking at Tucker @ $5 and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with keeping him. $5 is still well below average, avg being about $12. Brewer @ $9 is borderline but he finished really strong last year and if there’s a bunch of turnover in Minny then Brewer could actually improve on last years numbers. Especially for me since my top 6 lack high end steals. As of right this second I’m going to keep DJ, Adrien, Brewer, Kelly, Marcus, Tucker, plus my top 6 comes to… $120, so $80 for 5 adds. That looks good to me. I think that lets me try for a few lottery picks plus 1 or 2 mid to late 1st rounders. I could even make a $40 run at one of the top 2, but that’s not going to be ‘Plan A’.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: LeBron opting out! BUt we figured that… Eh I dunno if Frye leaving impacts stuff tooooooo much, but that’s just me. They also could resign him, which it seems like they wanna do. Gonna love McCollum as a sleeper in deeper leagues. Wish I had him REL…

      I hope Joseph becomes default backup PG! With all the Parker missed games, he’ll be huge for my REL. As long as Kawhi doesn’t have that little lull to start the year/avoids injury, he’ll have a career year. All I could ask for. Later Saric!

      Melo opting out getting all the coverage too, plus with such a high-profile draft, I think there will be a lot of trades.

      Yeah I’d probably keep all those guys too, anybody with a shot at impact should be kept. And you have tons of money too. I have a lot less flexibility:

      Knight, Joseph, Kawhi, Calathes (might as well for $1), Carroll, Middleton, Aldridge, Mike Scott, Ibaka, KCP, Archie Goodwin. $154. $46 for 6 spots. Hoping for one upper tier rookie then solid late picks.

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin:

        Markieff per-36 last year.

        .486/.792/0.6/18.6/8.1/2.4/1.1/0.9/2.5

        That’s gotta be top 50. Is he a 36 minute guy with Frye gone? I don’t see why not. He’s by far their best option.

        • JB Gilpin

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          @Slim: Yeah I don’t see why not either, but Kieff played a lot of bench minutes too/Frye could come back/they could add another PF/C depth guy. I dunno, I’ve never been huge on the Kieff – but could warm up depending on what Suns do (womp womp joke…)

  7. Slim

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    If Sanders had worked out I would be in the same position you’re in. Calathes has been offered much more money to go overseas. Not sure what he’s going to do. Goodwin still has a ways to go, unfortunate he’s on such a deep team. So what do you want for KCP? I think I’ve asked that more than a few times. Looks to me like all you really need to add is a PG. I agree Smart would probably fit your team really well. Maybe you could use a few more blocks too but everyone needs blocks.

    With the way the rumors have been churning up, I agree the amount of draft day trades could be record breaking.

    So now I’m thinking about guys outside of the lottery or right on the edge for the REL. The 3 PGs, Elfrid, Napier, Ennis, I don’t think any should go for under $10. All 3 are very different fantasy contributors though. Payton, high TOs, low FT% on very high attepts, low 3s, but the best steals, boards, and blocks of the 3. Napier, poor FG%, ast:TO ratio is questionable, great 3s, FTs, scoring, solid steals. Ennis, only 1.7 TOs as a freshman in 36 MPG, impressive, more of a project than the other 2 but very good steals and that amazing ast:TO ratio, probably more of a true PG than the other 2. I think all 3 are at least on par with Burke and MCW so $15-$20 is probably more reasonable.

    The only big worth mentioning is Payne and he could get very overpriced depending on who drafts him. Unfortunate since I desperately need bigs.

    There’s too many wings to worry about all of ‘em so I think I’m focusing on Early, Anderson, and Adams. They should all be around $5-$10 I figure. Early for good scoring on good %s, and potentially a 1/1/1, 3s/stl/blk guy. Adams more of a prototypical SG, it’s the very high steals, good ast:TO ratio, but he might not be NBA ready day 1. Anderson, he’s mini LeBron right? College numbers are spectacular, FT% needs some work but Anderson’s stat line looks a little like Gordon Hayward. You know how I feel about him. Point-Forwards are highly prized commodities in the NBA.

    This one got a little long. Sorry about that.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Slim: Yeah true on Calathes, NBA has underrated him. Agree on Goodwin. I could change my mind, but he showed a few flashes last year.

      If you have the money and get Smart and I can’t afford him, I’d probably do that. KCP in that Pistons last game was redonkulous. I did highlights for it. Was awesome.

      Watching college isn’t the best barometer, but I am not an Ennis fan. I wasn’t impressed, given in like a 2 game Syracuse sample. I have a feeling Napier will go more than he should because of name value. Elfrid is interesting.

      I like Anderson and Adams a lot, unfortunately wing is a lesser need for me. I need PG and PF/C. If either Adams or Anderson goes cheap I’ll be on it. Early I’m not huge on, I think I’ve said this before, I think he’s a better real-life NBA asset than fantasy.

      Haha no worries, always fun. DRAFT IS IN UNDER 24 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: I like KCP and all but I don’t know if he equals Smart. Smart looks to be a high end steals guy which for me is the biggest selling point for KCP, but smart is going to give assists that KCP won’t. Trading guys before they’re even owned… by anyone.

        • Slim

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          @Slim: I wasn’t done, my dog somehow managed to hit ‘Post Comment.’ “Clever Girl”… except he’s not a girl.

          I mentioned something about it before but with the way Phoenix is built with good depth and 3 1st round picks they have got to be trying to get a deal done to bring in a star. I don’t think Frye resigns with the Suns. He lost a bunch of playing time last year and I don’t see why they would offer the 31 year old multiple years.

          I hope Calathes stays. If he does then I promise to stop making alopecia jokes.

          All we really have to go by is how they played in college. At least until summer league. I look at a players college stats 1st, how they progressed, how they did vs the best competition. But that’s only the objective view. The subjective view is how well they pass the eye ball test.

          Rumors are all over the place but I like the Heat rumor. Trying to package Cole and their pick to move up and get Napier. It’s a good fit.

          Actual trades… Knicks get Calderon, Mavs get Chandler. Yawn, don’t see this mattering at all in fantasy. The takeaway for me is the potential for Larkin to get some minutes and the Knicks have a few assets now to try to get into the 1st round of the draft.

          Asik to Pelicans. Definitely good for Asik but he’s terrible at the charity stripe and he’s only a 1.0 in 30 MPG shot blocker. 1:2 assist to TO ratio isn’t good. Not really my kind of player but he’s got a starting job. Poor Ajinca. Asik should take a few boards away from the Brow. Unfortunate but it doesn’t take away from me ranking him #2.

          Back to the rumors… Rondo to anyone who will give a top 10 pick. I hope this happens. Don’t really care where he goes but if Rondo goes then I want whichever PG the Celtics draft because he will start day 1. I kinda hope it’s Smart like I mocked. If so $30 won’t be enough in the REL.

          I’m ready for the draft. Should be entertaining. There’s the potential for the NBA landscape to change dramatically tonight.

          • Slim

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            @Slim: Afflalo to Denver. Don’t care. Fournier to Orlando!!! YES!!! Gonna have to redo your photoshopped movie poster though. If Orlando takes a big instead of guard with their high draft pick then Fournier could be a monster next year. I am intrigued.

            • JB Gilpin

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              @Slim: @Slim: Afflalo!!!!!!!!! Yeah he’s no good, but obviously they won’t reach for Warren now. LOve Fournier to Orlando, we both like him a lot. Dammit, I will have to redo that poster! Ah well.

              Haha yeah I know, offering a trade when you don’t have Smart yet… But it was a fun thought. I don’t think they’d offer Frye more than 2 years either, but maybe they want his vet-ness. If they get a start maybe they’ll want his big man shooting off the bench or something.

              I indeed work more off the subjective, in college guys can rack up the stats against the scrubs then disappear in big games. Ohhhhh Napier to the Heat. Enough to keep LeBron?! Haha.

              I think it might be interesting and Calderon gets assists again. With Dirk and Monta – the ball was always in their hands. Made Jose a spot up 3 camper. How the Knicks got rid of Felton is a mystery, he’ll prob be cut. Eh maybe not…

              Asik doesn’t change the Brow for me either, but still at 3, depending on LeBron’s move. Don’t say that about Smart!!!!!! Want him so bad.

              This is going to be the biggest draft in memory. Coupled with the biggest free agency in memory. We’re at Razzball at the right time!

              Excited for the Pod tomo and your thoughts on how it goes!

  8. Josh says:
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    When is your new podcast going up on iTunes? I’m looking forward to listening.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @Josh: We’ll be recording first thing Friday morning after the draft and the Pod should be up right then! Thanks for the interest man, we’re pumped too!

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