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Here you have it, folks!  Below you have the entirety of the Razzball top 200, listed by their Yahoo position eligibility (spoiler alert – RCL Basketball might be there!) and my 1/2-a-twitter two-cents on each guy.  As the bartender in The Fifth Element would say, if you do “want some more” shoot your comments/bashing below!  I’ll be updating periodically through the preseason, so if any player moves up or down significantly, I will change their name to green or red so you can track player movement.

Remember that past the 120s or so, you can reach on virtually any of these ranked guys with reckless abandon in standard leagues.  In deeper leagues, I tried to map out about where I would get everyone.  A guy like Archie Goodwin I think has oodles of upside, but is buried in Yahoo and ESPN noodles (aka – their rankings) so I can wait on him in deeper leagues until his rank below, but might take a last-pick flyer on him in medium-depth leagues.  I’ll be breaking each position down every day this week so you have positional cheat sheets, but first here is our rankings:

Razzball Basketball 2013-2014 Fantasy Basketball Rankings

(updated Oct. 21)

RANK PLAYER, POS, TEAM NOTE
1 Kevin Durant, SF, OKC Westbrook injury has me caving to conventional wisdom, no way you can’t go KD 1
2 LeBron James, SF/PF, MIA Still think an elite season coming, but can’t question KD at 1 anymore.
3 James Harden, SG/SF, HOU Easy to forget he was traded less than a week before 12-13 season.
4 Chris Paul, PG, LAC Game’s best PG, will be leaned on to do everything for Doc.
5 Stephen Curry, PG/SG, GS A little worried about career ankle issues, no Jarrett Jack.
6 Serge Ibaka, PF/C, OKC I’ll reach, scored 4 more a game, developing deep shot, 57.3 FG% 12-13.  Westbrook injury now has him a key scorer as well, but obviously doesn’t move above the big 5.
7 Kyrie Irving, PG, CLE The additional bigs should give Kyrie all sorts of room to drive and dish.
8 John Wall, PG, WAS Love Wall, was a first-round talent in last two months of 12-13, healthy offseason.
9 Marc Gasol, C, MEM Does everything, increased scoring with Gay gone in 2nd half 12-13.
10 Kevin Love, PF/C, MEM First-round talent, injury downside.  Slides into top-ten with Westbrook injury.
11 Derrick Rose, PG, CHI I buy the perimeter game offseason work, excited for a really big season/big Asts.  Looked good back on the court.
12 Paul George, SG/SF, IND Love George as a player, think he’s getting overhyped in fantasy.
13 Deron Williams, PG, BKN A bit worried about recent ankle injury, will sink if lingers into preseason.
14 Ricky Rubio, PG, MIN Another point I buy the improved perimeter game, fully recovered from ACL.
15 Al Horford, PF/C, ATL Millsap is more efficient than Josh Smith, love Teague, big year for big Al.
16 Dwayne Wade, PG/SG, MIA Career-high FG% in 12-13, another solid year ahead.
17 ↑ Anthony Davis, PF/C, NO Playing at an absolute elite level right now in the preseason.  Yeah I know it’s just preseason, but ready to grab him in mid-2nd round now.
18 Al Jefferson, PF/C, CHA Charlotte finally has a big, offense will run through him.
19 Damian Lillard, PG, POR Buying offseason improvements, FG% to go up, big season.
20 Carmelo Anthony, SF/PF, NY Elite scoring, sure, think boards go down and a little injury prone.
21 Nicolas Batum, SG/SF, POR Wrist injury a concern (no surgery), falling numbers and %s in second half scary.  Played a lot of minutes in EuroBasket, has a bad back now.
22 LaMarcus Aldridge, PF/C, POR Would move 5-6 spots up if guaranteed with POR all year – trade concerns.  A tad gimpy right now.
23 Dirk Nowitzki, PF, DAL After working his way back, elite Hall-of-Famer we’re used to in 2nd half.
24 Ty Lawson, PG, DEN No Gallinari, no Iguodala, will have to do it all.
25 Josh Smith, SF/PF, DET Has opportunity, very volatile in his value.
26 Joakim Noah, PF/C, CHI Injuries will be concerning, but very big year from Noah in 12-13, Rose = FG% up.
27 Larry Sanders, PF/C, MIL GM calls him key to the team, contract extension in works, big year ahead.
28 Tony Parker, PG, SA Fire to win the title, elite when healthy.
29 Jeff Teague, PG, ATL Will be on all my teams, Millsap will help efficiency, one of my big breakouts.
30 David Lee, PF/C, GS Often underrated, not worried about the hip injury that’s healed up.
31 Mike Conley, PG, MEM Boosted scoring, assists, fewer TOs when Gay left.
32 Russell Westbrook, PG, OKC Injury changes everything, don’t like knee injury for guy that relies on explosiveness.
33 Pau Gasol, PF/C, LAL Bye-bye Dwight, hello to old ways.  Or would it be hola?
34 Nikola Vucevic, PF/C, ORL Not only a double-double guy, 2 ast 1 stl 1 blk a game as well.
35 Dwight Howard, C, HOU Probably won’t end up on many of my teams, but upside is obviously still there.
36 Tim Duncan, PF/C, SA Dream season last year, think he’ll come close to duplicating going for title.
37 Paul Millsap, PF, ATL Only 27, played only 30:26 a night last year, will flourish in ATL.
38 Rudy Gay, SF/PF, TOR Buying all things Raptors, solid multi-cat contributor.
39 Kawhi Leonard, SG/SF, SA Love him, love the multi-cat game, Yahoo at 24 seems extraordinarily high though.
40 Roy Hibbert, C, IND Flashed elite big man potential in playoffs, extremely durable.
41 DeMarcus Cousins, PF/C, SAC Still risky, one of fantasy’s biggest high risk/reward picks yet again.
42 Blake Griffin, PF, LAC Despite hardcore fantasy player’s hate, there’s still upside – but I won’t reach.
43 Jeff Green, SF/PF, BOS Huge, huge upside with extraordinary breakout potential.
44 Nikola Pekovic, C, MIN Already great FG% that will go up with Love, dub-dub with stl/blk a night.
45 Kobe Bryant, SG, LAL Could obviously move up with incoming optimistic news, rehab doing too well to be lower.  Looking like he’ll miss opening night, but not too much more action.
46 Jonas Valanciunas, C, TOR If you’ve read me since last year, he’s my #1 sleeper.  Offense to run through him.
47 Chris Bosh, PF/C, MIA Under-the-radar (at least to me) very productive 12-13 despite dwindling skill set/rebounding.  Some further regression.
48 Derrick Favors, PF/C, UTA The Jazz have a ton of faith in him, oozes potential/high block total.
49 Kemba Walker, PG, CHA Lower than almost anywhere else, don’t think Jefferson fixes bad FG%, low Asts.
50 Brook Lopez, C, BKN Love his game, had him top-20 in May.  Foot injury and big trade limits #s.
51 Monta Ellis, PG/SG, DAL Excited to see him play with Dirk, should have a solid season, slight scoring dip.
52 Jrue Holiday, PG, NO While #1 NO scorer/disher, I find myself never coming close to Jrue at original #42 rank in drafts thus far.
53 Greg Monroe, C, DET Think Josh Smith/Jennings actually will help his fantasy value.
54 Tobias Harris, SF/PF, ORL My boyfriend from last year, flashed fantastic goodness in 2nd half.  Will start.
55 Chandler Parsons, SF/PF, HOU Fantastic 12-13, think he has another great, efficient season.
56 ↓ Brandon Jennings, PG, DET Messed up tooth and jaw will linger into regular season, not willing to go for him until end of the 6th round in 10-teamers.
57 Paul Pierce, SF, BKN Name value and new locale may have someone reach, Yahoo at 87 too low.
58 George Hill, PG/SG, IND Quiet, unassuming, steady production.
59 Eric Bledsoe, PG/SG, PHX Flashed brilliance when starting, polarizing fantasy ranks, big upside.
60 Jose Calderon, PG, DAL I said in the original full rankings I needed to move him up, so I did.
61 Ryan Anderson, PF/C, NO Despite new faces, don’t think his role/numbers change much.
62 Klay Thompson, SG/SF, GS I’ve seen him very overranked, ThrAGNOF!
63 Goran Dragic, PG, PHX Still upside there, and despite a “bust” last year, still produced at this rank’s level.
64 David West, PF, IND Solid 12-13, another solid 13-14.
65 Zach Randolph, PF/C, MEM Read West, David.
66 DeMar DeRozan, SG/SF, TOR A big sleeper of mine, TOR a great line-up now, buying the offseason work on 3s.
67 Gerald Henderson, SG/SF, CHA Back-to-back sleepers, Henderson showed elite production in 2nd half.
68 Thaddues Young, SF/PF, PHI Someone has to score in Philly, right?  Solid 12-13 as well, but not in love.
69 Rajon Rondo, PG, BOS No need to rush him back in a big rebuilding year – despite him saying he’s already mentally ready.
70 O.J. Mayo, SG, MIL Will lead offensive attack for the Bucks, solid talent around him.
71 Bradley Beal, SG, WAS Showed talent at times in rookie season, big injury concern, despite great upside including the big preseason game on 10-15.
72 Luol Deng, SF, CHI Trade/contract issues persist, but solid player and should be with Bulls all year.
73 Greivis Vasquez, PG/SG, SAC Think there’s multi-cat upside, but ankle injury and IT2 issues remain.
74 Andre Iguodala, SG/SF, GS Low floor/low ceiling, moves to another fast-paced team to duplicate 12-13 #s.
75 Jimmy Butler, SG/SF, CHI A little surprised I’m higher on him than most, will start, multi-cat goodness.
76 J.R. Smith, SG/SF, NYK Knee injury, suspension for smoking, but past those I’m fine with him here.
77 Kyle Lowry, PG, TOR You know you’re getting good production, but only when he’s on the floor.
78 Gordon Hayward, SG/SF, UTA Minutes, steals, assists up as 12-13 went on, TOs down, Jazz need consistency.
79 ↓ Ersan Ilyasova, SF/PF, MIL Don’t want anything to do with a big on a very bum ankle.  Avoiding as best I can.
80 Marcin Gortat, C, PHX Another guy from the Suns that was a semi-bust but still put up #s.
81 Danny Green, SG/SF, SA Really underrated multi-cat season: 1.2 stl 0.7 blk 12-13 a little shocking.
82 Enes Kanter, C, UTA Big upside in starting role.Saw him play on 10-16 and looked great.
83 Wilson Chandler, SG/SF, DEN Without Gallinari until probably February, Chandler a huge breakout candidate.
84 Brandon Knight, PG/SG, MIL Still very young, think with actual talent around him could emerge.
85 Kenneth Faried, PF, DEN Love the Manimal in real life, think his fantasy value can be a little overrated.
86 Jeremy Lin, PG, HOU Some upside with reports he and Dwight looking good from the Dream, great Stls.
87 Wesley Matthews, SG/SF, POR Don’t see him playing 35 mins a night, even with rook McCollum to miss prolonged time.
88 JaVale McGee, C, DEN Obvious upside with more minutes due to Karl firing, Shaqtin a Fool downside too.
89 Victor Oladipo, SG, ORL Only other rookie in top 100, may start slow but I see bigger role in 2nd half.
90 Carlos Boozer, PF/C, CHI One of my least favorite players, is actually going a bit underrated in 13-14.
91 Andre Drummond, PF/C, DET Sure some upside, but 37.1 FT%?  Really?
92 Raymond Felton, PG/SG, NY Still driving a high-powered offense, think Beno Udrih eats into a few minutes.
93 Andrew Bogut, C, GS Says he’s healthy and expects big minutes, multi-cat performer, always injured…
94 Steve Nash, PG, LAL 39, numerous injuries last year, but still top 100 value.
95 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF, CHA People overrate a 19-yr old rookie season and write him off, multi-cat breakout.
96 ↑ Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG, DET First Stuckey now Jennings, injuries are ravaging the Pistons backcourt and KCP was looking at a surprise starting gig beforehand.  Willing to go for him very high.
97 Jamal Crawford, PG/SG, LAC Will duplicate what we saw last year, which was top 100 worthy.
98 Spencer Hawes, C, PHI Has the 1st half to prove worth until Noel gets minutes, out of position 3s nice.
99 Tyson Chandler, C, NY Not a huge fan, injury prone and a wild card, but value has him crack 100.
100 ↑ John Henson, PF/C, MIL Injuries to both Ilyasova and Ekpe Udoh will have Henson seeing tons of minutes, and I see him banking on the production with his solid per/48 numbers last year.  Must own in all leagues.
101 Amir Johnson, PF/C, TOR Despite probably a sub-10 PPG scorer, gave you 1 stl 1.4 blks last year.
102 Cody Zeller, PF/C, CHA A surprise from Summer ball, there’s upside playing next to Jefferson.
103 Isaiah Thomas, PG, SAC An unreal second half, potential is there but stifled by new regime/Vasquez.
104 Chris Kaman, PF/C, LAL Thrived when he’s gotten starting minutes, will be vastly undervalued.
105 Kevin Garnett, PF/C, BKN Kidd says he’ll bench KG on back-to-backs, #s still there last year, down a bit this year.
106 Tyreke Evans, SG/SF, NO Ankle dinged up after preseason injury, hate to draft him injured even with report he should make opening night.
107 Anderson Varejao, PF/C, CLE The unreal rebounds are tough to ignore, but less minutes, Bynum = less value.
108 Kelly Olynyk, C, BOS Minutes and opportunity are there, worth a slight bit of a reach to me.  Looked good in both preseason games I’ve seen him in.
109 Joe Johnson, SG/SF, BKN Someone will reach for name value, scoring/3s down with all the options.
110 Jameer Nelson, PG, ORL Oladipo to play some at point, everyone healthy right now, avoiding.
111 Andrew Bynum, C, CLE Don’t want him, knees hurt again, but still some upside. Yahoo @ 53 = nuts.
112 Danny Granger, SF, IND Like Bynum, tough to rank and I won’t be reaching for him – 2-10 in preseason opener.
113 Maurice Harkless, SF, ORL Flashed multi-cat goodness with 1.2 stl/0.8 blk in only 25 minutes per game.
114 Andrei Kirilenko, SF/PF, BKN Never been a huge fan, but will still get minutes behind elderly former Celtics.
115 Harrison Barnes, SF, GS Potential has always been there, but becomes a 6th man with Iggy.
116 Arron Afflalo, SG/SF, ORL Empty scoring, but still produces despite status with Magic in turmoil.
117 Shawn Marion, SF/PF, DAL I don’t buy a repeat, but Marion was huge last year under-the-radar.
118 Jarrett Jack, PG/SG, CLE Wahhhhhh, I’m Jarrett Jack!  Will find time at the 2 late in games.
119 Michael Carter-Williams, PG, PHI The FG% will be terrible, but minutes and opportunity are there for the gamble.
120 J.J. Redick, SG, LAC Limited upside, but should be able to replicate what he did with the Magic in 12-13.
121 Tristan Thompson, PF/C, CLE Loved him before Bynum/Bennett/Clark brought in, Bynum hurt, TT could start.
122 Reggie Jackson, PG, OKC Sure he’s only got the starting gig until Westbrook is back, but Jackson will still get minutes as Russell is eased back in and tremendous upside to start the year.
123 Kevin Martin, SG, MIN Will score, but doesn’t get to the line anymore, still doesn’t do anything else. Sore Achilles to start the year as well.
124 Randy Foye, PG/SG, DEN Gallinari hurt, no Brewer, no Iggy, no Koufos, Denver will need scoring.
125 Ben McLemore, SG, SAC Crowded backcourt, but they seem determined to play him, some upside.
126 ↑ DeAndre Jordan, C, LAC Having a great preseason and flashing great Board-n-Blocks upside, FT% still a work around though.
127 Kyle Korver, SG/SF, ATL Despite my reluctance to draft 3-point specialists, was solid in 12-13.
128 Dion Waiters, SG, CLE Jack will take some minutes, a lot of new options on the Cavs.
129 Corey Brewer, SG/SF, MIN (three weeks ago)I just think he’s better than Budinger or Shabazz, more multi-cat value than expected. (now) Budinger hurt, Brewer to start.  Me likey.
130 Manu Ginobili, SG/SF, SA Injuries and lower minutes of course lower value, but can still produce.
131 ↓ Eric Gordon, SG, NO Bad knees, ankle still coming along, not touching him before here.
132 Evan Turner, SG/SF, PHI I just thought he’d be a better NBA player and he’s not, not buying new opportunity.
133 Tiago, Splitter, C, SA Underrated multi-cat year, played 81 games, nice late stat booster.
134 Martell Webster, SG/SF, WAS Porter’s hip injury lagging deeper than thought, Webster in line to get minutes in his stead.  Wiz to ease Porter in when ready.
135 Anthony Bennett, SF/PF, CLE Frontcourt is loaded, but loaded with injury-prone guys.  Still won’t reach for #1 pick.  Showing conditioning problems recovering from off-season shoulder surgery.
136 Gerald Wallce, SF/PF, BOS Will get minutes early, he’s getting shopped, probably loses value on deadline deal as I doubt he gets traded into a big role.
137 Greg Stiemsma, C, NO Going to start and get the Robin Lopez role, will block and can board better.
138 Andrea Bargnani, PF/C, NYK Apparently gelling well with Melo and Amar’e is still hurt.  Not going to go nuts for him, but upside warrants the slight boost.
139 Nene Hilario, PF/C, WAS Adds 3 dimes a game, but up there in age and not a guy I’m drafting earlier.
140 Metta World Peace, SF/PF, NY Should play despite not playing under this name.  Probably avoiding.
141 Archie Goodwin, SG, PHX The more I’m looking at guys below him, the more I have the rookie nookie urge to take Goodwin.  6th man role in team that will play him.
142 Ramon Sessions, PG/SG, CHA Was on his way to a great 12-13 before a knee injury, should still see good mins.
143 Nick Young, SG/SF, LAL Might be droppable after Kobe is back, but could have a strong start.
144 Alec Burks, SG, UTA Could play some point while Burke is out, not ready to move him up much though.
145 Iman Shumpert, SG/SF, NY Returned from ACL surgery last year, could be solid after healthy offseason.
146 ↑ Omri Casspi Very hot preseason and could start at the 4 on a very fast-paced Rockets team.
147 Nate Robinson, PG/SG, DEN Not a fan, but will get some run as the 1/2 off the bench and is being reported he could play some with Lawson in shortest backcourt ever.  Next they’ll bring in Spud Webb.
148 Andre Miller, PG, DEN Played in every game past 2 years, Nate Robinson steals the possible min. uptick.
149 Omer Asik, C, HOU Huge loss of minutes, Dwight/Asik frontcourt would be worst FT% ever.
150 J.J. Hickson, PF/C, DEN Behind Faried and McGee, will still get pretty solid minutes.
151 Lou Williams, PG/SG, ATL Still recovering from the ACL, will be eased in, but still 2nd half upside.
152 ↓ Trey Burke, PG, UTA Avoiding at all costs now; he needed every minute of preseason experience and now will be eased in a month or so into the season.
153 Avery Bradley, PG/SG, BOS You don’t really want any of the Celtics guards, but they’ll play.
154 Robin Lopez, C, POR Looking like he’ll start & could repeat 12-13 which has value even though he blows.
155 Marcus Thornton, SG, SAC McLemore takes some of his value, a streamer ThrAGNOF when hot.
156 Trevor Ariza, SG/SF, WAS Even with Porter lingering injury, don’t think it changes Ariza’s value all that much – boost went to Webster for me.
157 Amar’e Stoudemire, PF/C, NY Name value probably has him going earlier, not touching him.
158 Ray Allen, SG, MIA ThrAGNOF!
159 Mario Chalmers, PG, MIA He plays…
160 Matt Barnes, SF, LAC Really solid multi-cat 12-13, should be used similarly.
161 Tony Allen, SG/SF, MEM Gives you the minutes, not any upside.
162 Lance Stephenson, SG, IND Same as above.
163 Samuel Dalembert, C, DAL Set to start, won’t play huge minutes but will boost blocks.
164 Jared Dudley, SG/SF, LAC Still see Barnes playing more minutes, but a chance to start on a good team.
165 Luis Scola, PF/C, IND Relegated to the bench, still has efficient scoring upside.
166 Vince Carter, SG/SF, DAL Unreal he’s still playing, unreal the scoring/3s last year, still some value.
167 Tayshaun Prince, SF/PF, MEM Starts, gets minutes, will give you a tiny bit of scoring.
168 Thabo Sefolosha, SG/SF, DET Steals specialist, not much else.  Could boost a tad of scoring with no Westbrook for a while
169 Otto Porter, Jr., SF, WAS Might take a while until we see consistent PT, hip injury recovery and will get eased in when ready, but upside in 2nd half.
170 Mo Williams, PG/SG, POR Probably seeing the fewest minutes since a rook, still will find time late in games.
171 Darren Collison, PG, LAC Think he could see a tad of time at the 2, Bledsoe had value behind Paul too.

172 Nerlens Noel, PF/C, PHI Will get eased in, always a chance he has big last couple of months.
173 ↓ Brandan Wright, PF/C, DAL Despite it being a different injury, has had shoulder issues before and will miss a little time.
174 Mike Dunleavy, SG/SF, CHI Minutes will come as the backup to Deng and Butler.
175 Kosta Koufos, PF/C, MEM Was productive in only 22 minutes/per last year, will get 18-20 and a few boards.
176 Brandon Bass, PF/C, BOS Unclear role with Humphries/Wallace stealing some minutes.
177 Courtney Lee, SG/SF, BOS The steal a game gives him a little value in hodgepodge backcourt.
178 Markieff Morris, PF, PHX Hey, he’s starting.  Deep leagues could do worse this late.
179 Glen Davis, PF/C, ORL Hurt, probably misses opener, they’re trying to dump him – 180 from my thoughts in May.
180 Brandon Rush, SG, UTA Burks is by no means a sure thing, could be a deep contributor.
181 Thomas Robinson, PF, POR This deep, there’s late-season upside if LA gets moved/hurt.
182 Patrick Patterson, PF/C, SAC P Pat is stuck in that 3-man PF rotation with Landry/Jason Thompson.
183 Antawn Jamison, PF, LAC He’s old but can still score off the bench as a mid-week streamer.
184 Ed Davis, PF/C, MEM Randolph is reliable but old, Davis showed potential with TOR in 1st half of 12-13.
185 Caron Butler, SF, MIL Delfino injury opens the door for some spot scoring, but his lack of other stats keeps him low for me.
186 James Anderson, SG/SF, PHI Interesting that he might start, and that’s about it.  Sixers look awful.
187 ↑ Tim Hardaway Jr., SG, NYK Flashing good potential in preseason, Shumpert and Smith banged up and Smith suspended first 5 games – think he has some super deep ThrAGNOF value, especially early.
188 Alex Len, C, PHO Coming off surgery on both ankles I don’t think he’s good even if Gortat is moved.
189 Shane Battier, SG/SF, MIA When you’re going this deep, it’s gonna start getting ugly.
190 Jason Terry, PG/SG, BKN Won’t have much value unless Deron gets hurt, but very possible given history.
191 D.J. Augustin, PG, TOR Not as good in fantasy as Terry, more likely Lowry gets hurt and D.J. gets mins.
192 Toney Douglas, PG/SG, GS Can score off the bench in a fast-paced offense, Curry’s ankles iffy.
193 DeMarre Carroll, SF/PF, ATL I always thought he was underrated, will see decent minutes as reserve 2/3.
194 ↑ Giannis Antetokounmpo, SG/SF, MIL Just have a feeling with all the Bucks frontline injuries, the very raw rookie will have a little value.
195 Marco Belinelli, SG, SA On the right team to throw up some ThrAGNOF streaming!
196 Carlos Delfino, SG/SF, MIL Probably missing the opener, doesn’t need his foot too healthy to camp behind the three point line.
197 Wayne Ellington, SG, DAL Another ThrAGNOF streamer, should get decent minutes for shots.
198 Marressee Speights, PF/C, GS Think he’s a better player than opportunities he’s been given, works into mins.
199 Jermaine O’Neal, C, GS Somehow managed 1.4 blks a game in 12-13 in 18 minutes per.  Reported he might play some with Bogut.
200 Boris Diaw, PF/C, SA Just so fun to say his name like Rick Flair, he had to be my Mr. Irrelevant!
  1. John says:
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    I can’t see your top 200 rankings.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @John: Hmmm, I’m seeing them OK in a box below, let me be sure it’s working on all browsers

      • John says:
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        @JB Gilpin: I can now see it using Mozilla. But not will Google Chrome

        • JB Gilpin

          JB Gilpin says:
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          @John: Weird, I’m in Chrome myself and tested on another computer in chrome… Maybe something with your cache or something funky happened, hopefully it’ll be OK for everyone else! Thanks for letting me know!

          • Chris says:
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            @JB Gilpin: I can’t see them in Chrome either.

            • JB Gilpin

              JB Gilpin says:
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              @Chris: Can you try emptying your cache and browsing history and reloading? I don’t know why Chrome is doing this, looking into the issue as well…

              • JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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                @JB Gilpin: Had the same issue myself…this solution worked…nice!

                • Chris says:
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                  @JoeMorgan’sMustache: I haven’t checked since the 23rd, but I’m able to see them just fine now.

                  • JB Gilpin

                    JB Gilpin says:
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                    @Chris: Yeah I changed their presentation a tad to be sure they’d work on all browsers. Next step – lowering Westbrook way down and caving in to KD #1 overall!

  2. Pete Maravich says:
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    what in the hell is a thragnoff?

  3. Pete Maravich says:
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    Love the levity. I have decided to take the best stat cat available per your rankings up and down the board. Is there one category over the others that it is easy to get buried quickly skewing the balanced approach that I can tilt my picks toward.

    Thanks

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      @Pete Maravich: Thanks! In roto, I’ve always found blocks and steals the tougher ones just because of their infrequent/inconsistent nature. Of course I’ve had teams falter in every stat category, but those two seems the most frequent to me.

  4. Pete Maravich says:
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    That explains serge ibaka’s high ranking- he seems acronym worthy.

  5. silentjim says:
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    Is this 9 cat or 8 cat?

    If you take John Wall overall at number 9, you’re going to get destroyed.

    • JB Gilpin

      JB Gilpin says:
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      @silentjim: I’m trying to consolidate all formats as best I can into one general ranking. And sure, I welcome your challenge.

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        @JB Gilpin:

        First off, I don’t think you can combine/consolidate all formats. John Wall without TOs would be a mid second rounder at best, but with TOs he’s a third to fourth round talent. Per game I would only expect maybe Harden and Durant to average more TOs. His TO% hasn’t really gotten that much better, he just played fewer minutes last season. And since he can’t shoot the three ball and I’m hesitant to think he can he shoot 44% again, I think your destined to have a horrible return on investment at pick #9 in any format, but even more so in a league that counts TOs.

        Are you doing projections for players, or just saying in your head “I think Wall will be better than Al Jefferson and Anthony Davis.”? If you do the numbers, there’s no feasible way that Wall puts up 9th round value unless you get rid of cats, or he excels in all areas that he’s never shown before.

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          @silentjim: Unfortunately, we just don’t have the manpower to come up with a billion different rankings for all formats. I think Wall is indeed bottom end first-round talent, not 9th round value, as you say.

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            @JB Gilpin:

            You don’t have to. Just make rankings for one and say this is for 9 cat.

          • da dub says:
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            @JB Gilpin: i think he meant hes not 9th pick value.. not 9th round.

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              JB Gilpin says:
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              @da dub: Yes I know. He was giving a hard time, so I gave a hard time on his mistake :)

        • da dub says:
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          @silentjim: I agree john wall def isnt 1st round material.. his lack of a 3pt shot at pg position puts him almost tony parker level, but with worse shooting and more TOs. if wall can get up to like 1.5-2.0 treys a game with his avg from last year then he could be a 1st round pick

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            @da dub: While I don’t see the 3s getting to there, I do think we see what we got out of him in the final two months of 12-13 which was borderline first-round production. I also believe in my term ThrAGNOF (Threes ain’t got no face), so I boost my threes with streamers. Now of course, in FAAB or fairly strict moves limit leagues, Wall would go down my board since I would have to draft threes with more attention. Since most leagues don’t fall into the above categories, I’m happy with Wall there.

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              @JB Gilpin:

              I drafted Wall in the 2nd round at pick #19. I think he is a 1st round talent and jumped on him over Anthony Davis who I couldn’t believe was there. Curry was my 1st pick though. I think they make the perfect stack in the first 2 rounds.

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                @kgizzle: Wow yeah I’d love that back court! Balances out the threes you miss from Wall.

  6. Matt says:
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    You going to do a Basketball Podcast? Before season starts?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Matt: I think we’re doing preview show, but unfortunately not weekly at this point… Wish we could though!

  7. aaron says:
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    What kind of stat line do you see from Trey Burke? I look for PG’s whos’ value is driven down by low assists, but who’ll put up good numbers in Stls, 3′s and TO

    • JB Gilpin

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      @aaron: 16/7 with 1.5 stls and 1.5 3s a game. But high turnovers, probably a smidge over 3 a game.

  8. Slim

    Buddah Lovaz says:
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    Thanks. I was kinda looking for some projections but this works too. I looked at Yahoo predraft rankings and there are a few things I noticed at PG. Lillard @ 37. Teague @ 55. Jrue @ 61. Then they go and put Kemba @ 39. Needless to say your rankings are much closer to mine.

    I’m starting a new 20 team H2H Keeper. Keep 8 out of 16. Am I right in assuming in a league that deep PGs become the most valuable strictly based on rarity?

    Around where do you think Trey Burke, Michael Carter-Williams, CJ McCollum should fall in the above league?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Buddah Lovaz: Thanks man! Teague is who I feel best about. He’s about to have a big year. Yeah I would try to get a lot of PG, with Burke a good name to reach a tad for. I have him very high in my ranks, I think he produces well and has a good future. MCW I’m iffy on, I think he’s better for this year than long term since they’ll give him an extended look, but not sold on a starting PG role for his career. McCollum is coming off the bench and last of those three, has some upside and will definitely be drafted, but I’m not sure he would become a top 8 player on a team to keep for next year.

      • Slim

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        @JB Gilpin: I’m thinking of aiming for 2 PGs in the top 60 (3 rounds). I see Trey Burke going around 100 in redraft. That would put him as a 5th rounder in a 20 team redraft. Maybe 4th (60-80) in a keeper. I think I’m aiming for 3 PGs thru 5 rounds (100 players). Throw in a Center and a SG/SF or 2 Centers and I think that would be my ideal. I think my cutoff is gonna be 25 years old except for the very top tier guys. Sorry. Just thinking out loud.

        I would love a top 300 keeper league post but i know that’s a whole lot of work. Just looking at PGs in a keeper has taken me several hours.

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          @Buddah Lovaz: Haha yea I think we’re gonna cap it at 200. I like your thought process. Would recommend Valanciunas as a young guy to build around. Archie Goodwin is a really deep guard that I don’t think will be in anyone else’s top 200 that I will be getting late in deep drafts. Shane Larkin is another rookie that after Calderon retires could be a starting point for the Mavs or wherever he ends up that won’t be on radars. Kent Bazemore played really well in Summer League, Toney Douglas isn’t a long-term backup to Curry/Thompson, and maybe next year is Curry’s straight backup and Curry has bad ankles, could be a starter one day on a fast-paced team. Hopefully that helps with some sleepers for ya!

  9. JoeMorgan'sMustache says:
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    JB, thanks for the rankings man. So, got a question. 16 team league, we keep 5…My 5 right now are Lawson $29, Bosh $28, Marc Gasol $20 ( love!), Dragic $7, Parsons $3 ( love again! ). Ha, so, I like me some Ilysova and an owner wants my Dragic for him. Both would cost me $7 each to keep, so cost isn’t a factor. Leaning towards yes, but I also like the idea of having 2 nice PG going into the draft. So, kinda torn. Thoughts on what I should do? Thanks man!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @JoeMorgan’sMustache: I’d indeed take Sova. I’ve got him pretty high up and while I still like Dragic, a Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt will limit him a tad to what would otherwise be a lot of rock in his hands. I think Sova can do what he did post ASB this year.

  10. Mopo says:
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    Just curious if anyone has a go to budget system in an auction style draft.
    In Yahoo 12-team 12-player league this year.

    I have always done traditional snake draft so I don’t know of the best recipe for putting a team together.
    Do I go:
    G – 40%
    F – 10%
    F/C – 40%
    Util/Bench – 10%
    or
    G – 35%
    F – 30%
    C – 20%
    Util/Bench – 15%

    or better ideas…

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Mopo: It’s tough to go into an Auction with a set-in-stone allocation plan because every auction is different. For example, if everyone is hesitant to drop big $ on KD or LeBron, you might have to get one of them and throw off your F budget. But in general, I like your top approach better, I think G brings in the most value for you and I’d try for Harden since SG is thin this year.

  11. mdig66 says:
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    I’m in a league where we can keep 2 players outside of the first 3 rds in the draft slot they were selected in last year. I took Larry Sanders in the 11th rd which I plan on using as one of my keeps and I have K. Leonard, drafted in the 10th rd as well. Why all the love for Leonard ranked in the low 40′s? His playoff run?

    • JB Gilpin

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      @mdig66: He was actually a top 30 player in per game value according to basketball monster. He’s a stat stuffer and I think takes another step forward this year. I’d be ecstatic with those two keepers.

  12. Brian says:
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    I think Terrence Jones may be a pretty good sleeper you are missing.

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Brian: He’s talented and there’s a chance, but I think Greg Smith is a solid player and beats him out as the starter, then there’s Asik and Motijunas that could play some 4 too with Dwight anchoring the 5.

  13. Shawn M says:
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    Thanks for the reply in the other thread. Butler hype is coming from some 20 team leagues I’m in, deep leagues so he’s well known. I’m trying to package him and another player for a more known commodity.

    Thoughts on this trade, which side would you rather have?

    Team A gets: Curry, Lowry, Glen Davis

    Team B gets: Wall, Teague, Blake Griffin

    I’d lean team B based off injury histories of team A. Thanks!

    • JB Gilpin

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      @Shawn M: Ah gotcha, yeah that makes sense. Yeah I like Team B much more as well. I’m high on Wall, and Teague/Griffin are much higher than Lowry and Davis to make up the marginal downgrade of Curry to Wall

  14. jon says:
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    So here’s the team I ended up with in 12-team, 9-cat Roto Dynasty:

    PG: Conley, Jennings, G Hill, R Jackson, J Lucas III

    SG/SFs: Harden, Batum, J Butler, JR Smith, A Burks

    PF/Cs: P Gasol, Kanter, Hawes, Markieff Moris, Henson, Motiejunas

    I also own Wiggins and Aaron Gordon on rights for next year so they will automatically join my team and take two of my roster spots next season. As a result, I feel good about my long-term prospects. So with that in mind, I’ve got two bench spots left to fill and am wondering which of the below fliers make the most sense to add to my team either from an upside standpoint or to bolster some stats I’m missing. Thanks for the input, especially if you’ve been offering me advice throughout this process!

    Last two picks:

    PG Options: Ridnour, A. Miller, Collison, Nate-Rob

    SG/SF Options: Caron Butler, Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford, Corey Brewer

    PF/C Options: Earl Clark, Reggie Evans, Meyers Leonard, Elton Brand

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